Let's not get all cultural appropriating-ism-ist-ish... anyway. If you can prove you have some Roman blood in you. Or maybe you have a best friend who is Roman. Maybe a brother-in-law. Or maybe if you pressed olives at some point, that'd probably be okay too. At a dead minimum you need to have reclined on a funny sofa and fed yourself grapes. You gotta give us something.
The shims don't need to have the lifting pin go through them. They don't help transmit lifting force. They just need to be clear of the pin and keep the wedges spread apart
But if one of the shims is too trapezoidal it could get squeezed out and drop the whole brick in the shock loads. They probably would pin all of them just to be sure, especially since they didn't know how to model the forces here - it's not like they're expendable.
Right but without the pin nothing keeps the shims in place except the flatness of pressure on either side and the flatness of the combined faces. Debris, uneven hole, uneven wedge face, or rotational torque will pop those shims out unless they're retained somehow. The pin doesn't go through the shims to lift, it goes through to keep them there.
But the entire integrity and strength of your grip is based all on that single bolt. That becomes your point of failsure, and if that bolt isn't thick enough to hold up the weight of the stone, it will fail
A crane, powered by a human in a giant hamster wheel. Basically the solution used until any kind of engine turned up, and at least as old as the romans - probably older than the pyramid egyptians.
When it was ancient white people building big things, people always talk about how intelligent and ingenious they were coming up with such clever ways of doing things. When brown people built big things, all of a sudden it's a great mystery, we have no idea how they could have managed, it must have been aliens!
As it's been pointed out on It's Probably (Not) Aliens, we do currently have devices that move loads with nothing but sound waves; they're called explosives.
Well, sure the Egyptians had them. The Romans were too poor to hire extraterrestrial contractors and had to make do with only human labour.
The problem was time. The pyramids of Giza were built in 2600 BC while the ancient Roman empire reach its peak around 100 CE - so, 2700 years of inflation meant the Romans couldn't afford the the alien construction crew.
The contractors "Big Zuc'tarven Kerb'lyssan Erg'zzormitar Co." couldn't afford to keep Mars due to the job shortage. They moved to Earth.
You mean stacking rocks in the most efficient form for stacking is beyond the capabilities of human minds? Maybe it is for those that believe in that nonsense.
While these are cool, most of them aren't how massive ancient stone structures were built. Most of them did it through just having a massive labor force.
Some of these though... Let's move a HUGE slab of stone over there so we can use it to move a small stone block (still makes sense if you have to move many stones, but it doesn't fit in the 'oh my god how did we even manage to move them' category)
What other way? Manually hammer drilling the hole would absolutely depend on the specific type of rock, but even if it were granite it would take mere hours.
What other way to move rock? Roll it on logs has been used for a very long time. Water barge if the trip is too far for logs. Egyptians used sand pits to raise and lower them when building the pyramids.
And how do you get them up onto the logs? Or the barge? And when it arrives at the work site where it might well need to be hoisted 100+ feet in the air? The point of the roman empire was essentially an exercise in logistics and they got really REALLY good at it. They basically ran the loop of build an army to conquer arable land to feed the army while building a transport network so they could rapidly put down rebellions.
Absolutely agree, tasting history is so fascinating because food is one of those things that's just a sub note when you read up about history. It's really nice how he not only goes into detail, but makes the dish right there and gives it a little food review
Nah, they never say that about the Romans, because they were white (which I wish was a joke, but the whole "ancient aliens" thing evolved from earlier super racist conspiracies that all the megalithic structures in non-European areas were actually built by now lost to history white populations).
The concept that people couldn't have made precise stone cuts and moved large stones in the Egyptian period has been debunked over and over. But we only recently discovered how the Romans made concrete that lasts for centuries, yet no one has claimed that the mysterious super concrete was something we got from Aliens. Like you said, the Romans were considered white, so western people accepted they were just really smart. Because racism. And people have soft hands.
You are correct, but that just goes back to racist just not understanding history. Racism and prejudice against immigrants are just two sides the same coin. At some point being of Italian descent was no longer considered an immigrant. Just like the Irish retreated like dirt when they were considered immigrants.
fokjoudoos
And now they can't even design a working wiring loom for a car..đ¤Śđ
OwenAllen
The Romans couldn't do that either, though
Kats8652
MipMop
GOOGLEDEBUNKERS!
JustBoone
Aliens!
OldnSpicey
Had to be some pretty horrific outcomes when those failed at one point or another.
YuffieK
CptBoomBoom
Basically a foxtail joint. Clever.
ontarioOT
Can I still use this technique if I'm Canadian?
thebonesofmyancestors
Let's not get all cultural appropriating-ism-ist-ish... anyway. If you can prove you have some Roman blood in you. Or maybe you have a best friend who is Roman. Maybe a brother-in-law. Or maybe if you pressed olives at some point, that'd probably be okay too. At a dead minimum you need to have reclined on a funny sofa and fed yourself grapes. You gotta give us something.
ontarioOT
I've visited Italy in two consecutive millenia. Is that enough?
thebonesofmyancestors
I think that's a clear pass going forward. The senate has convened and also grants you two public toga-wearing approvals as well. Use them wisely.
JupiterSSJ4
This is basically how a PC Kensington security lock works
OctopusBaroness
Amazing. Meanwhile, yesterday I couldn't unplug a charger from a surge protector because it was really in there.
MapleSyrupMafia
Sure... but what have the Romans ever done for us?
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
The shims don't need to have the lifting pin go through them. They don't help transmit lifting force. They just need to be clear of the pin and keep the wedges spread apart
DrSparken
But if one of the shims is too trapezoidal it could get squeezed out and drop the whole brick in the shock loads. They probably would pin all of them just to be sure, especially since they didn't know how to model the forces here - it's not like they're expendable.
LitchLitch
Depending on what the shims and wedges are made of, the wedges can crush the shims
barefootguru
Saves losing them in the hole or in your toolkit.
fubizdaddie
Right but without the pin nothing keeps the shims in place except the flatness of pressure on either side and the flatness of the combined faces. Debris, uneven hole, uneven wedge face, or rotational torque will pop those shims out unless they're retained somehow. The pin doesn't go through the shims to lift, it goes through to keep them there.
Colopty
That and the pin provides a convenient attachment point for the handle.
slinkiisu
That's fucking incredible ingenuity. Imagine the person who came up with that.
Hawkgirl203
And then after getting the stone ready to lift they used a crane. Smart.
3dartwork
But the entire integrity and strength of your grip is based all on that single bolt. That becomes your point of failsure, and if that bolt isn't thick enough to hold up the weight of the stone, it will fail
DrSparken
Learn what size fails for what rock and make bigger ones.
stabbermcshooty
Thatâs way more clever than I wouldâve come up with. Any time I have to lift something heavy I just spend the time wishing I could use the force
poppinfresh1988
Silly design. You can clearly just slide the whole thing out towards the camera. /s
CatLady27
How much does the average man think about the roman empire.... results may shock yoy
MagnumRadhard
What's that crane look like?
DrSparken
https://youtu.be/pk9v3m7Slv8
GordonFreeman59
https://i.redd.it/uu5phl3su1mb1.png
BesticlesTesticles
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlaGp6dHlpYXp0Z3Zzb2dxanMzeTI3OW9oNHVzdzJ4eTBnOTBiMWZjNCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/rbzLgG9VR0QMw/giphy.mp4
Colopty
If you click the link it takes you to the corresponding reddit page with additional information.
DrSparken
short version: same way a modern crane winch works, but it's powered by a human in a giant hamster wheel.
Pace171921
Give me a stone and a stick long enough and i can move the earth. Lever, fulcrum , the oldest ideas are still the best
nothingtolurkhere
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Zm9zZnFnbzZsdzN6MmFmYm4zczhoaTM1NjBuOW5tNG15Nnp6MjR4OSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/xI2hQ0ubie0BW/200w.webp
itstheendoftheworldasweknowitandifeelfine
I'm pretty sure that's not lifting. That's just a handle. You still have to lift it. That's the hard part when it weighs 1,000 to 2,000 pounds.
DrSparken
https://youtu.be/pk9v3m7Slv8
jjunns
Okay but that's how they tied into the Rock but how did they LIFT it?
Colopty
With their back, using a jerking, twisting motion.
DrSparken
https://youtu.be/pk9v3m7Slv8
copingcabana
Okay, but dafuq is that rope attached to? A Catligula?
DrSparken
https://youtu.be/pk9v3m7Slv8
DrSparken
A crane, powered by a human in a giant hamster wheel. Basically the solution used until any kind of engine turned up, and at least as old as the romans - probably older than the pyramid egyptians.
imgonnaralph
other techniques for moving stone
newwoolmonosta
impressive but i donât think it accounts for any of the magalithic wonders of the world.
MostAwesomeDan
Simple Machines ftw
imreallyjusthereforthecats
It certainly has its advantages
SirSmurfalot
Mechanical Advantages specifically.
SpicyGoober
Don't be fooled. This guy is clearly an alien
Doismellbacon
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZGljNWczYzF0ZXVkeXJtN3RvZXpvd3plNjJ4aW8zOWM3dnZvMDhmMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3oEjI789af0AVurF60/200w.webp
andyonetime
Joe Rogan âclearly this was done by aliens, Iâm gonna spread pseudoscience about it.â
mastertmo
I just rewatched all those videos last month. Good informative stuff.
Snooj
This motherfucker built Stonhenge in his back yard to prove it could be done. But he did it by himself.
IWantedOneOfThoseLongUsernamesTooSoIGotOne
do not unmute
bearded3d
Seriously.. holy garbage
JustAnOldLurker
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
unluckyandbored
When it was ancient white people building big things, people always talk about how intelligent and ingenious they were coming up with such clever ways of doing things. When brown people built big things, all of a sudden it's a great mystery, we have no idea how they could have managed, it must have been aliens!
AntiProtonBoy
Who says that?
YippeeKayakOB
That name, though
BurnThatBridgeAsWeCrossIt
Wally Wallington from Wallawalla, Washington..?
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
Guy's definitely stoned
Cearnaigh
âGive to me a fulcrum on which to plant my lever, and I will move the world.â -Archie of the Medes
SeeJenJen
TungstenOrbital
Nice
ihugpeople
something something a long enough lever and a fulcrum to place it
DianNaoChong
Racists really be like "non white people didn't have the technology to stack blocks, had to be aliens"
EstoyPoopis
What is that infernal sound
Someshithead241
Yeah, but the Egyptians definitely had Giants/Aliens/Nephilim with psychic sound wave powers
Efreeti
The Nephilim, for example?
MipMop
aRabidGerbil
As it's been pointed out on It's Probably (Not) Aliens, we do currently have devices that move loads with nothing but sound waves; they're called explosives.
vorodar
Well, sure the Egyptians had them. The Romans were too poor to hire extraterrestrial contractors and had to make do with only human labour.
The problem was time. The pyramids of Giza were built in 2600 BC while the ancient Roman empire reach its peak around 100 CE - so, 2700 years of inflation meant the Romans couldn't afford the the alien construction crew.
The contractors "Big Zuc'tarven Kerb'lyssan Erg'zzormitar Co." couldn't afford to keep Mars due to the job shortage. They moved to Earth.
vorodar
Descendents of the founder of the company are still around. But go by a shorter name: Zuckerberg.
Unclescam
You mean stacking rocks in the most efficient form for stacking is beyond the capabilities of human minds? Maybe it is for those that believe in that nonsense.
NoahRegent
I could never find it again! Thanks a ton.
criticalmassdriver
Who better to know how to build a wall but he?
magictouch
Wally is the man!!!
aRabidGerbil
While these are cool, most of them aren't how massive ancient stone structures were built. Most of them did it through just having a massive labor force.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Some of these though... Let's move a HUGE slab of stone over there so we can use it to move a small stone block (still makes sense if you have to move many stones, but it doesn't fit in the 'oh my god how did we even manage to move them' category)
blfpd
Nah, must be the aliens.
EmptyHouseBurglar
Steve Brule
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
No rafts and rivers?
Stonemarter
But how did they make the hole?
WellWellWellLookWhoItIs
Lasers
LespritDeLescalier22
Thatâs just the way they grow the rocks
darthstormer
Aliens drilled it out for them.
Maelwrath
That would be the funniest shit ever if it actually was true, can you imagine.
IntelligentLake
Very carefully.
Hekatombe
Dremel
newsguycraigevans
They're so damn handy
00elix
Ok but who filmed this? #timetravelingaliens
CaldariBob
Aliens.
fubizdaddie
Literally anything operating like a hammer, and literally anything operating like a chisel.
killexthefox
Whay about a hammer and a chisel?
Ristari
Dear God. Someone get this man a medal
PorterPickUp
Sure but sure seems like it might take longer to drill the hole than moving the stone in some other way
OddOod
What other way?
Manually hammer drilling the hole would absolutely depend on the specific type of rock, but even if it were granite it would take mere hours.
PorterPickUp
What other way to move rock? Roll it on logs has been used for a very long time. Water barge if the trip is too far for logs. Egyptians used sand pits to raise and lower them when building the pyramids.
slinkiisu
Easier to lift a rock up high with a hole
OddOod
And how do you get them up onto the logs? Or the barge?
And when it arrives at the work site where it might well need to be hoisted 100+ feet in the air?
The point of the roman empire was essentially an exercise in logistics and they got really REALLY good at it. They basically ran the loop of build an army to conquer arable land to feed the army while building a transport network so they could rapidly put down rebellions.
glovelyday
"It had to be aliens!"
BeaverOnFire
WienerBeener
"We're not being racist, but how else could brown people do it?!?"
Kats8652
mymustachecallstheshots
Milo might be my favorite person on youtube.
Kats8652
For me it's him and Max Miller and his history food channel.
mymustachecallstheshots
Absolutely agree, tasting history is so fascinating because food is one of those things that's just a sub note when you read up about history. It's really nice how he not only goes into detail, but makes the dish right there and gives it a little food review
DunnowForgot
https://i.imgur.io/78u1zD8.png
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
"They took our jobs!"
Gerokeymaster
Nah, they never say that about the Romans, because they were white (which I wish was a joke, but the whole "ancient aliens" thing evolved from earlier super racist conspiracies that all the megalithic structures in non-European areas were actually built by now lost to history white populations).
mymustachecallstheshots
The concept that people couldn't have made precise stone cuts and moved large stones in the Egyptian period has been debunked over and over. But we only recently discovered how the Romans made concrete that lasts for centuries, yet no one has claimed that the mysterious super concrete was something we got from Aliens. Like you said, the Romans were considered white, so western people accepted they were just really smart. Because racism. And people have soft hands.
Haemaelaeinen
Pretty weird because Italians haven't been considered white in the US very long...
DrSparken
Germany claimed heritage of the HRE until somewhere around the 1800s. Lots of factors that might muddy it.
mymustachecallstheshots
You are correct, but that just goes back to racist just not understanding history. Racism and prejudice against immigrants are just two sides the same coin. At some point being of Italian descent was no longer considered an immigrant. Just like the Irish retreated like dirt when they were considered immigrants.