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“I’m a firm believer that for our salvation we not only have faith in Jesus Christ, but we also obey the commands of God and that we confess Jesus as Lord,” he says in the post. “But one thing I do not support is the violation of our constitutional right to have the freedom that’s guaranteed to us, that guarantees us the separation of church and state, because no one religion should the government represent.”
Later, he says he’s “back at it again,” and asks for people to donate money to help repair his car.
Sauce: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/06/28/why-one-man-keeps-ramming-his-car-into-ten-commandments-statues-on-government-property
asa1967
I'd happily send him $5. If I had $5
DougTheLlama
'Later, he says he’s “back at it again,”'
youngndnappy
When you go to read the article and you see "You obviously love great journalism..." DOGJAMIT!!!!
zaiwuh
When I tried to read it the words never loaded , only the title did.
jingleheim3r
He's the hero we need.
Uuudd
The last time he did it he was diagnosed as schizo and blamed it on voices. Also spits on portraits in federal buildings and theatened Obama
NotTheSharpestSpoonInTheDrawer
Never said he was the hero you wanted
DrHouseSynch
Whoever's facebook that is to have those two posts one after another is someone I don't want to meet.
NS0229
separation of church and state is in the fucking constitution, since yall love that document so much
scottolan
To be fair it was erected by private donations and many other religious groups have applied to have statues erected including /1
scottolan
Church of Satan, Hindu, atheists, and PETA. I have a feeling it's more of a funding issue that preferential treatment towards Christians.
WallyWorldtoo
Your politics are ruled by money, why shouldn't a religion with more money have indoctrination / advertising on public land.
LouisLyle
Good
sonnydojo
Footage of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzUT6NBFAWw
TGWeaver
What a bored-sounding warcry
TracyAllenParks
I figured the guy was just emulating Moses breaking up the tablets. I mean if it works for Moses, am I right?
shonasof
Nono. Then he'd be plagiarizing the movie and thou shalt not steal, right?
Dugalug
Does he take PayPal?
HandoB4Javert
HeWhoSlaps
Is he going to be prosecuted for destruction of public property?
Jupman
But it seems like a private statue. As it can't be a public.
californiadrought
Does he have a go fund me or something?
Imgoingbacktobednow
Or you can do like they did in Oklahoma...plan a statue of Satan on the capitol grounds since they allowed the 10 Commandments...
Slashenaar
I'm a christian and destruction of property should obvs be illegal, but.. If he wanted to do this professionally I'd support his GoFundMe
mybluesock
You forgot to mention the fact that this is not the first, but the second ten commandments statue this guy has driven through.
z3r0n3gr0
Well i gues this guy's name is Moses
nonamejanie
Only in the south can you have a hobby of mowing down monuments.
Spartacus1966
good for him
GingeraffeTW
20 points?
khora
Well Moses smashed two stone tablets, and they were given to him by God.
leftyshuckles
Let's see if he goes 10/10
deadpoolssistersarah
sweetfeetpete
FauxFargoth
I agree with the guy, but this was still a really stupid thing to do.
Rasdwatrium
So the "left" doesn't want it, but a Christian continues to take it down? That's interesting.
BoopusMcSquishy
Tannerite would have been cheaper
StandardDeviant
But then the media would call him a terrorist.
TsengMao
Walking up and pushing it over would have too
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
I don't think shooting towards a state capitol is a good idea
SomeRandomDudeWhoUpvotesThingsHeLikes
When you don't understand what separation of church and state means. One would think he would have learned after the first time.
randomthug
Guy got his point across rather well. That shit doesn't belong there. Gonna cost him a fuck load of money and time though
MissSpelledTattoo
Not the first time https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/06/28/why-one-man-keeps-ramming-his-car-into-ten-commandments-s
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
I wonder if he takes requests, there's one in my town I wish would disappear
vowofloudness
Do you have access to a car?
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Im not crashing my car into anything, I just got it all fixed up
vowofloudness
Doesn't necessarily have to be your car.
twostepsfromlost
I'm still annoyed in god we trust in on our currency. It's bullshit.
randomthug
At least its just god not like In White Jesus We Trust. I mean its bullshit I just like to tell people(thats not true) It refers to Odin.
cow042
Cut it off all your bills. Its still legal tender if its missing some pieces
Theodrian
51%
Sharkostomy
Moses did it first (minus the car).
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
I'm not Christian, but was destroying it strictly necessary?
SomethingVulgar
kinda
vowofloudness
Is anything?
PeacefulWarfare
Arkansas. What the fuck are you thinking putting this shit up...
Bwaaauhtterfree
They wanted to put up a satanic symbol as well but they were told no
PeacefulWarfare
As they should be. We don't need any symbols associated with religions
Bwaaauhtterfree
I agree. It doesn't matter what religion I believe in there should be no religious symbols at the state capitol
PeacefulWarfare
It's a benefit to both sides to be separated. I don't see why the religious side doesn't see this.
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
Bible belt doin Bible belt things
Zenitha7229
As someone who lives there...only the oldies really are that bible-thumpin. People my age either don't want it or don't care enough to know.
PeacefulWarfare
Sounds about right for most of the nation. Unfortunately the "oldies" are the ones who vote.
Zenitha7229
here especially it seems like the old'uns seem to out number the new generation. anyone with an out from this state leaves. it's stagnant.
avendarius
Religion + politics = no. It's in our constitution
Rasdwatrium
*squints at Reps*
TsengMao
No it isn't
shhep
Trust me, that won't stop them, if you let them.
avendarius
Indeed
OfficialSponsor
Wondering if all those constitutional purists also love the second amendment as well...
TsengMao
Stictly "as a purist", the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow for what most people think it does.
TheRectifier
The establishment clause refers to Feds.
avendarius
And?
HighPriestOfCera
Wrong. Everson vs The Board of Education (1947) incorporated the states in the establishment clause.
TheDoctormoriarty
The intention of church and state was to keep the state out of church and not allow religious testing for elected or appointed positions.
conniecpu
There is no difference. If you allow church to infiltrate government, then their ideas are favored over other religions/sects
NathanielBedfordForrest
Every letter of the constitution was influence by judeo-Christian values.
randomthug
The government promoting one religion over another is kind of a big deal with the founding fathers intentions.
zanzaboonda
And when they wrote the Second Amendment, they only had musket balls.
NathanielBedfordForrest
And when they wrote the first amendment they only had ink and quill. Guess the first amendment doesnt cover cell phones.
naytorin
Whoosh.
HighPriestOfCera
You're wrong. Reynolds vs United States 'that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion, 1/?
HighPriestOfCera
and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency, 2/?
HighPriestOfCera
is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty. 3/3 Also Everson vs Board of Education (1947) 3/?
HighPriestOfCera
Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, 4/?
jsktrogdor
1/2 I'm just really starting to wonder how Conservatives managed to get their reputation as the "real Americans" & "patriots." Because these
Jupman
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes trun to some people
jsktrogdor
2/2 days they seem to just have outright contempt for about 90% of what the constitution and the founding fathers were about.
DuckPlanetKing
They created their own reality in their mind... everyone else knows they are not real patriots or real christians either.
Locolarue
I must have missed the part where any other mainstream party did either?
joot
Fuck false equivalence. Dems are not the ones running on a platform of religious encroachment, wrt abortion, creationism, homosexuality, etc
Locolarue
Sure, buddy, I'll believe all that when I see it. Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to get stuff done and don't.
johnelway
Touché
shonasof
If people stopped treating every issue like the Superbowl things might finally improve. THEY'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME DAMNED TEAM!
BrownskinOriental
Kinda of funny that some of the same people scaring others about Sharia law is the same one who wants 10 commandment and prayers in gov.
Perkunas687
If by funny you mean "Hahaha we are f***ed, folks," I agree!
SetOfAllSubsets
I'm not usually a grammar Nazi but this made me uneasy.
HsuDoNihm
some of the poeple is same one who wants
nipplepanties
"But it's the true religion, so I don't mind"
Zenitha7229
My own grandmother is like this, makes it really difficult to eat supper when she bitches about "rag heads" and sharia law all the time.
Zenitha7229
My ma worked there when she was army, locals took bullets for her. she refuses to have any misguided BS around her.
bluefacepaint
Kinda or kind of. Also, *are *want
DukePhelan
Not too funny, as even when you try to explain it to them they do not see the parallels.
TheOnePristineMonk
But its their religion, so its better
Goosexi
I'm glad this statue was destroyed. You cannot compare sharia law to the 10 commandments as they are not the same in stature or punishment.
HighPriestOfCera
The bible prescribes death for disobeying your parents. Christians are killing their children en masse. Same with Islam.
Weskerdoo
It's this kind of thinking that caused the Travel Ban.
Moosenuggs
Sauce, please?
Goosexi
Where are these kids and people being killed exactly? I am talking about current affairs I don't care about 25yrs-1m yrs ago that was the
Goosexi
Past. It's regressive to think in any way christians are as bad as Islam. I don't have affiliations with either religions.
HighPriestOfCera
aren't *
Weskerdoo
Wait, what? Where are Christians killing their kids en mass?
PhiIIipJFry
The LRA in Uganda off the top of my head
Weskerdoo
Oh, the language made it seem like the Pope or the leader of the Red River Baptist Association is advocating mass child murder.
randomthug
You want to represent the Old Testament on Government grounds you gotta take the whole book.
randomthug
Those 10 Commandments come from the Old Testament. Where God killed children en mass and it was vengeful as fuck.
thatoneguythatsnot
Remember the story about the kids that were making fun of the one guy on the road because he was bald? Yeah, god sent a bear out to kill 'em
Derodric
To be fair, the 10 commandments follow basic Western moral principles. Sharia law does not. Not against your claim, but your argument.
Jbelkin
The 10 commandments are based on Greek, Persian and summarian commandments so your argument is not based on historical facts.
DonutHolstein
Yes, basic Western moral principles such as "thou shalt have no other gods before me"
Derodric
Fair point.
MerkinSuit
The first 5 aren't basic western moral principles.
Bullkholtz
I'll give you the first 3 are not (Catholic commandments). But honor thy parents and don't kill are western morals.
MerkinSuit
Those western morals that came from Africa or the middle east?
Bullkholtz
Never said they originated in the West or only practiced in the West. But respecting parents and not killing are practiced by the West
MerkinSuit
First 4 are all about God and his crazy narcissistic tendencies, I mistakingly included 5, honor thy father and mother.
Bullkholtz
That's why I said Catholic, there are different interpretation of the 10 commandments in different Christian sects. Catholic version 1/2
CrazyWithTheCheeseWiz
Almost every society befor the rise of Christianity had laws against murder try agian.
Bullkholtz
Also the commandments aren't just a Christian ideal, Moses is the Jewish people's Boy. They love that dude.
Bioguy1989
Ten Commandments predate Christianity.
Bullkholtz
Take it easy dude. I never said it was only a western ideal. But No murder is a valued ideal by the West. Let's be friends
imjusthereforthemoneynotyourbs
Church and state
SingingMeAndCthulioDownByRlyehFhtagn
Jefferson's wall
JoeBobBriggs
He didn't write the constitution Madison did.
Thornrir
He did write the letter to the Danbury baptist church which is where the phrase is coined.
Nalianna
church.................................................................................state
thezombiearrrrghsforthee
*slate
TheDoctormoriarty
The intention of church and state was to keep the state out of church and not allow religious testing for elected or appointed positions.
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Slashenaar
Bible is optional tradition, you can request whatever you want or nothing. Roosevelt didn't swear on a bible, Adams and Pierce swore on ..
Slashenaar
Law books standing in for the constitution, and on and on and on and on
sprinckletitties
not even close, buddy.
naytorin
Original intent is irrelevant. It cuts both ways.
Slashenaar
Plus the founding fathers invented the phrase to explain part of the second amendment and it's exactly the original intent
TooTiredToMasturbate
You get downvoted for being right?
RamAssScratcher
Sauce for that?
IJustLikeToArgue
Gonna take a moment to respectfully remind everyone that the phrase "Separation of Church and State" does NOT exist in the US Constitution.
TheCanKaNoRey
But... But the internet told me so. Oh I feel violated
Yeroptok
It was a paraphrase by Jefferson of the establishment clause. It is what he believed that clause should do.
EugeneShalit
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
kerrath
right i dont think that a statue qualifies as establishing a state religion or prohibiting the free exercise of any given religion.
Yeroptok
While technically correct, that was how the establishment clause was interpreted by Founding father Thomas Jefferson.
Slashenaar
Not at all, that's just how the founding fathers including Jefferson explained the free exercise clause in the first amendment.
Slashenaar
So by not at all I mean, that's exactly what the founding fathers said part of the first amendment fucking is.
IAmDeathAndIAmNotFunAtParties
ᴛʜᴇʏ ᴇᴠᴇɴ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʟᴇᴛᴛᴇʀs ʙᴇᴛᴡᴇᴇɴ ᴇᴀᴄʜ ᴏᴛʜᴇʀ ᴅɪsᴄᴜssɪɴɢ ᴛʜɪs ᴠᴇʀʏ ᴛʜɪɴɢ.
Slashenaar
YUUUUP
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splitkc
You compared sodomy to elected office? Wake up
naytorin
Rarely reinforced, but incredibly fucked up that they exist in the first place.
splitkc
Nobody has ever denied the holy spirit and been elected to office
Uuudd
But yet we cant outlaw Sharia Law!
sprinckletitties
Wut?
mechanicalhemiola
sharia law is outlawed by not-being-fucking-law-here and most of what's in it that concerns you is illegal alrdy, you dolt
shonasof
People bitch about Sharia Law the same way that people claim the Earth is flat or vaccination cause autism. Unfounded sensationalism.
lawideas
The constitution guarantees you the right to practice whatever religion you want. Not to vandalize artwork in a fit of righteous indignation
MinorityOpinion
It's mealy-mouthed to call it "artwork".
Alphonsevaher
Promoting one religion over another (By putting up a statue of its commandments) violates the constitution.
Alphonsevaher
Sometimes when the government ignores laws, Citizens take matters into their own hands. They pay the price, it is still a crime. However...
Alphonsevaher
It is pure patriotism. And justified.
TsengMao
No it doesn't
Alphonsevaher
If government started putting up statues of Angels and Jesus and came out saying "But it isn't a LAW! We aren't Promoting one religion!"
Alphonsevaher
The founding fathers who wrote in their letters that this WAS the intent and function of the first amendment. BUT let me put it this way.
Alphonsevaher
Would you claim they aren't Promoting one religion over another? How about Mosques and the Quran. Oh Those arent okay. Just Jesus? Okay.
TsengMao
Strictly as written, it isn't a law promoting one religion over another. I am not endorsing a statue or religion, just promoting knowledge.
Alphonsevaher
It is a hotly contested point, But the First Amendment establishes the Separation of church and state (Confirmed by the Founding fathers)
TsengMao
A lot of things were confirmed by the "founding fathers". But claiming the Constitution says something it doesn't, doesn't actually help.