The left being as anti-gun as it has been in the last few decades has put it at a serious disadvantage to the right, who haven't been arming their side this whole time just because they're collectors or like hunting.
Okay but can we backtrack for a second, because how is it that you folks over there have access to things like pepper spray and other personal defence tools, but I've yet to see a single ICE bastard getting utterly wrecked with the stuff when they've been harassing people in carparks and the like? Look, if push comes to shove, I'm not 100% anti-gun for defense, but you guys have such easy access to other less lethal tools in the meantime
Any armed defense against law enforcement can be met with lethal force here. Pepper spray an ICE agent and be prepared to see a blind ICE agent unloading his weapon into a crowd.
okay but like, in the context of this post, we're already talking about 'defending equality' with lethal weapons... an ICE agent is just as likely, if not more so, to pray and spray in your general direction if you pointed a gun at them, so that whole point that you're making seems a little redundant tbh
I am all for someone obtaining the means to protect themselves against a very real threat.
My only advice is to make sure no one in the vicinity is struggling and may be tempted by a... one-button goodbye, if you get what I mean. If it's absolutely needed, put it under lock and key for their sake.
Protecting yourself from a threat is important, but don't forget to check in with the people around you to make sure you are doing everything you can to prevent a tragedy.
I never understood the concept of a firearm for safety... that is kept in a locked box that's gonna take minutes to open in a situation yiu will have seconds to make life and death choices in.
I think it's about weighing the situation you're in. There are a lot of people who still want a gun (not every time you may need one is a split second life and death decision), but would risk not having access to it immediately in order to protect someone they care about who might be going through a rough time.
There are a lot of folks who only get a gun thinking about a time they would need immediate access to it, and they decide immediate access is more important than making sure a child or someone in pain doesn't also have immediate access to that gun.
Having a safe in your room you punch four numbers in is a pretty quick retrieval system. Some people do more to open their phones.
Isn’t that what it’s all about, being allowed to own guns to fight back against a tyrannical government…now’s the time for good people to start owning them too.
Pepper gel. Amazon sells it. Unlike pepper spray, gel has little to no fine mist cone, more of a straight line that only hits what/where you want to hit and travels further than spray. There are tradeoffs to all of them but pepper gel is the way to go IMO. Also, buy at least 2 and use 1 for practice somewhere safe--like your backyard at a tree leaf or whatever. If/when you have to use it for real, it should never come as a surprise to you exactly how it patterns or to what distance.
If your goal is to permanently injure someone AFTER they're done harming you, Wasp Spray has some really nasty long-term effects but it is not immediately incapacitating. Don't screw up and spray anyone you care about. If your goal is to MAKE SOMEONE STOP TRYING TO HURT YOU, Pepper Spray, Bear Spray, Gun.
I feel you. But a lot of self-defense is just surprising them enough to get away. Getting sprayed in the face with anything is going to surprise someone. I used to keep vagina spray for that reason in my purse and for other reasons…
As a European it would be terrible thing to have a gun, as long our Nazis have also still not one. As someone who knows that American Nazis have guns, yes, please be prepared.
Thank you for giving our unique circumstances some actual thought. There are 1.3 privately owned firearms for every single man, woman, and child in the US. Even if we banned guns tomorrow and got an impossible 99% compliance rate overnight that would still leave roughly 10 million privately owned firearms in citizen hands. Regardless of your feelings on private firearms, one undeniable fact remains: there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Or at least not for many generations.
Newsflash bub: the rights already doing all of that shit. Progressives and leftists taking up arms to defend ourselves from empathyless scumsuckers is not anywhere within the same ballpark as the terror campaigns reactionaries wage on those they deem enemy.
Thank you, I'm glad there are some on here who get what's truly happening. Seems the neoliberals are fine with coddling the Nazis in hopes they won't be put on the trains.
The only reason I have mine and learned to use them was for potential short-term societal collapse. So many ways that could happen. Yellowstone volcano, asteroid, DICTATORSHIP, power-grid sabotage, nuclear EMPs, invasion...
Respect(fist bump). My advice to anyone is be trained in that you have and be ready. Not paranoia, just preparedness. To be honest, every pro 2a person I know is like this.
Honestly, none of that is what you need to worry about. Humanity is a naturally cooperative species - it's how civilization even came into existence in the first place. The idea that things would collapse and everyone would turn into bloodthirsty raiders is entirely fictional. But the *facsists* are real.
I have mine because I go out deep into the desert as a lone female. Then I added a shotgun for home defense because I live out in the middle of nowhere, in a giant county and only the county sheriff's would respond to a 911 call and I don't really have guard dogs, I have my babies, I'll defend them to the death (they are 4 big dogs, but they're not here for me, I'm here for them). When the hubby first moved in with me I immediately taught him about my pistol & took him to the range.
I get where you're coming from generally but if Yellowstone goes off or a large asteroid hits anywhere near the US, your guns aren't going to help you.
When the people you are defending against intend to use overwhelming force you sometimes have to meet it with the same. History is full of "needing fucking guns to defend equality". Don't ignore reality or pretend the world is only black and white, don't ignore nuance.
No, it's not. That's not what's happening here. This is not glorifying firearms, it's not encouraging people to make guns their entire personality. It's saying that the right uses the threat of violence as a way to keep the left in check while ignoring that it can easily go both ways. Don't ignore nuance because you want to bukakke us with hyperbole.
I think what these times are proving is that having a country full of guns so you can defend against tyranny maybe isn't worth all the child sacrifice.
dogsfoodandwood
Spend more money on ammo than the gun
An expensive gun is worthless, if you don’t have money to buy ammo and practice.
Peden1
The amount of children that have to die by gun violence is too damn high.
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NoToSupremacy
Then let's make it a list too long to use.
CharliesCorpse
And we’re surely better shots.
guitarfourtysix
sshh. jesus christ, you'll spoil the surprise.
fearTheAnimal
The left being as anti-gun as it has been in the last few decades has put it at a serious disadvantage to the right, who haven't been arming their side this whole time just because they're collectors or like hunting.
Khanamana324
It’s not the left that’s been anti gun, it’s liberals.
MGMZ11
No! Don't tell the right! Let them find out the fun way.
TyrannusEquus
The great equalizer. Praise be to Colt
Heelcat70
"Be not afraid of any man, no matter what his size. When danger threatens, call on me and I will equalize." - Rhyme of the Six Gun.
TyrannusEquus
Hell yeah
stonebreaker6
Fuck yeah we do.
Baelnorn
SinisterSlaw
You want to see some scary people? Go to a gun show in Texas. The people there are absolutely unhinged.
MrAsparagus
Jesus fucking christ america
TyrannusEquus
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YWFuYnJheXI2YmR5ZXg3bHEzY3Fjd21ueDJyYWlscG94cjE3MGQ3NyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/FOfe8iGdAiODS/200w.webp
anabobcatz
Okay but can we backtrack for a second, because how is it that you folks over there have access to things like pepper spray and other personal defence tools, but I've yet to see a single ICE bastard getting utterly wrecked with the stuff when they've been harassing people in carparks and the like? Look, if push comes to shove, I'm not 100% anti-gun for defense, but you guys have such easy access to other less lethal tools in the meantime
skapanda616
Any armed defense against law enforcement can be met with lethal force here. Pepper spray an ICE agent and be prepared to see a blind ICE agent unloading his weapon into a crowd.
anabobcatz
okay but like, in the context of this post, we're already talking about 'defending equality' with lethal weapons... an ICE agent is just as likely, if not more so, to pray and spray in your general direction if you pointed a gun at them, so that whole point that you're making seems a little redundant tbh
skapanda616
Dead people don't return fire.
anabobcatz
Neither do unconscious or otherwise incapacitated ones
KatInTheCorner
I am all for someone obtaining the means to protect themselves against a very real threat.
My only advice is to make sure no one in the vicinity is struggling and may be tempted by a... one-button goodbye, if you get what I mean. If it's absolutely needed, put it under lock and key for their sake.
Protecting yourself from a threat is important, but don't forget to check in with the people around you to make sure you are doing everything you can to prevent a tragedy.
secretdpp
I never understood the concept of a firearm for safety... that is kept in a locked box that's gonna take minutes to open in a situation yiu will have seconds to make life and death choices in.
Chilichunks
That might be because it only takes seconds to open a safe, not minutes.
KatInTheCorner
I think it's about weighing the situation you're in. There are a lot of people who still want a gun (not every time you may need one is a split second life and death decision), but would risk not having access to it immediately in order to protect someone they care about who might be going through a rough time.
KatInTheCorner
There are a lot of folks who only get a gun thinking about a time they would need immediate access to it, and they decide immediate access is more important than making sure a child or someone in pain doesn't also have immediate access to that gun.
Having a safe in your room you punch four numbers in is a pretty quick retrieval system. Some people do more to open their phones.
imyourrealdad
Isn’t that what it’s all about, being allowed to own guns to fight back against a tyrannical government…now’s the time for good people to start owning them too.
CrabbyBlueberry
I support the right to arm bears.
qcernie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s85TdCk-T9Y
LibranLuvertis
whenever gun supporters mentioned "tyranny" the left would laugh and ask "tin foil much?"
Khanamana324
No, we were laughing because we knew that the rights already doing would be on the tyrants side. As history shows us.
SternLecturePlumbing
If you can’t or shouldn’t have a gun, wasp spray. My therapist taught me that.
reaver01
You can get bear spray at most sporting goods stores too. I always keep a can in my vehicle. Sometimes a pistol, but always bear spray.
CrabbyBlueberry
Bear spray.
Saxytimes
Oof, you can mess yourself up too if the wind shifts
ClaudiusNero
Pepper gel. Amazon sells it. Unlike pepper spray, gel has little to no fine mist cone, more of a straight line that only hits what/where you want to hit and travels further than spray. There are tradeoffs to all of them but pepper gel is the way to go IMO. Also, buy at least 2 and use 1 for practice somewhere safe--like your backyard at a tree leaf or whatever. If/when you have to use it for real, it should never come as a surprise to you exactly how it patterns or to what distance.
ShutterCat
If your goal is to permanently injure someone AFTER they're done harming you, Wasp Spray has some really nasty long-term effects but it is not immediately incapacitating. Don't screw up and spray anyone you care about.
If your goal is to MAKE SOMEONE STOP TRYING TO HURT YOU, Pepper Spray, Bear Spray, Gun.
henryvk
So you’re saying pepper spray first
SternLecturePlumbing
I feel you. But a lot of self-defense is just surprising them enough to get away. Getting sprayed in the face with anything is going to surprise someone. I used to keep vagina spray for that reason in my purse and for other reasons…
onushka
As a European it would be terrible thing to have a gun, as long our Nazis have also still not one.
As someone who knows that American Nazis have guns, yes, please be prepared.
TorrentialUpPour
Thank you for giving our unique circumstances some actual thought. There are 1.3 privately owned firearms for every single man, woman, and child in the US. Even if we banned guns tomorrow and got an impossible 99% compliance rate overnight that would still leave roughly 10 million privately owned firearms in citizen hands. Regardless of your feelings on private firearms, one undeniable fact remains: there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Or at least not for many generations.
onushka
The US will not solve any shit before u get lost of the Super PAC Money. That's how Reps and DNC Centrist were controlled. It is so simple.
TorrentialUpPour
Even that won't solve our gun problem but yes, that would put a nice big dent in our oligarchy problem.
onushka
Representants without corporate money? Dude!, that would solve everything.
johnvictor
Time to remind some on the left as well they need guns as well. Fascism isn't defeated through voting and legislation, they destroy that first thing.
Lulabel73
Yes by shooting/murdering/silencing people they don’t agree with. The irony!
johnvictor
Welcome to the block list, your take was so shit you deserved it!
Khanamana324
Newsflash bub: the rights already doing all of that shit. Progressives and leftists taking up arms to defend ourselves from empathyless scumsuckers is not anywhere within the same ballpark as the terror campaigns reactionaries wage on those they deem enemy.
johnvictor
Thank you, I'm glad there are some on here who get what's truly happening. Seems the neoliberals are fine with coddling the Nazis in hopes they won't be put on the trains.
LurkingSarcasm
The only reason I have mine and learned to use them was for potential short-term societal collapse. So many ways that could happen. Yellowstone volcano, asteroid, DICTATORSHIP, power-grid sabotage, nuclear EMPs, invasion...
r0b0tc0rpse
Then when you actually go to use it you'll get clapped because you haven't trained at all.
Penthesilean
gEt cLaPpEd
Jesus, you sound like a Call of Duty teenager trying to sound tough.
WerideShinyandChrome
Respect(fist bump). My advice to anyone is be trained in that you have and be ready. Not paranoia, just preparedness. To be honest, every pro 2a person I know is like this.
akodorokku
Honestly, none of that is what you need to worry about. Humanity is a naturally cooperative species - it's how civilization even came into existence in the first place. The idea that things would collapse and everyone would turn into bloodthirsty raiders is entirely fictional. But the *facsists* are real.
LurkingSarcasm
Those are the ones that will be going door to door looking for "libruls" and get shot right off my porch.
Herperchick
I have mine because I go out deep into the desert as a lone female. Then I added a shotgun for home defense because I live out in the middle of nowhere, in a giant county and only the county sheriff's would respond to a 911 call and I don't really have guard dogs, I have my babies, I'll defend them to the death (they are 4 big dogs, but they're not here for me, I'm here for them). When the hubby first moved in with me I immediately taught him about my pistol & took him to the range.
thisisallforyou
Carry the pistol. Shotgun is best choice at home. Training with both is a must
fearTheAnimal
I get where you're coming from generally but if Yellowstone goes off or a large asteroid hits anywhere near the US, your guns aren't going to help you.
r0b0tc0rpse
Just shoot the volcano/asteroid, duh.
WhoIsFlabbergasted
They're talking about the aftermath, when society collapses and the general social contract isn't acknowledged, much less respected
fearTheAnimal
If Yellowstone erupts, most of the US will be uninhabitable.
Infamousprevert
Yes, but a gun might buy you enough time to get to somewhere that is inhabitable.
demosteness
I get the message but we don’t need a fucking gun to defend equality. Fuck gun culture.
Chilichunks
When the people you are defending against intend to use overwhelming force you sometimes have to meet it with the same. History is full of "needing fucking guns to defend equality". Don't ignore reality or pretend the world is only black and white, don't ignore nuance.
TheWhiteBarry
Fuck you. This is ammosexual propaganda. More guns = more dead school kids. Gun culture is sick. You are sick in the head if you partake in it.
bottledham
You can own a gun and not shoot any school kids.
TheWhiteBarry
Eat shit moron
Chilichunks
No, it's not. That's not what's happening here. This is not glorifying firearms, it's not encouraging people to make guns their entire personality. It's saying that the right uses the threat of violence as a way to keep the left in check while ignoring that it can easily go both ways. Don't ignore nuance because you want to bukakke us with hyperbole.
TotallyNotASerialKiller
In these times, I’m afraid everyone needs to be a responsible gun owner.
TheWhiteBarry
Verbatim right wing argument right here. What the hap is fuckening around here?
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for corn muffins.
Chilichunks
Uh...what?
Anfalicious
I think what these times are proving is that having a country full of guns so you can defend against tyranny maybe isn't worth all the child sacrifice.
TheDirtySanchezBros
Wait a second. That sounds like something a serial killer would say!
TheTitanz0r
Did you even READ their username!
TheDirtySanchezBros
Lolz
IchiOni
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