Jul 7, 2017 12:00 PM
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SurelyNotAWalrus
The validity of his statement aside, the original tweet is a troll to the far right, who accuse people like him on the left of 'genocide'
Promethianfire
"But it's ok when we do it!" --everyone.
rainbowblow
Suddenly "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas" seems less jovial
BenjaminPannell
I causally brought that up once as part of a choir. The director had to pause because she could not stop laughing.
BradysButtBoy
This is the asshole who had to "try not to vomit" when someone gave up their seat on a plane to a soldier. Just absolute filth of society
SaintMaceToTheFace
Agreed
GirdleTurtle
technically he never said violence was bad or he doesn't commit/condone violence. George C. Could just be a very violent individual.
TheAccursedHamster
That stupid clapping emoticon is just as obnoxious as the rest of him.
IsACouchASeat
If you use that emoji like that, you are obnoxious.
jagdbogentag
(Only) Speech (I don't like) is violence [because my parents raised me shitty with no resiliency and I never learned to ignore assholes]
MasterFetus
WHY ARE THERE 5 CLAPS AND ONLY 4 WORDS WHY IS THIS MAKING ME SO ANGRY
TheTerribleAccountant
Although I believe solemnly in absolute free speech, the genocide tweet was made in a sarcastic tone ^ What happens when there's no context
This guy terrifies me. It scares the shit outta me knowing he is out there "educating" students. And I lean toward liberal, guy's just nuts
LemonsAndGarlic
I think a lot of people really misunderstand what real violence is. Like, civil war is violence. Hate speech and racist speech 1/2
2/2 While shitty, is not violence. Also we should always fight back against racist and hate speech because it can encourage real violence.
GnomeCompSci
Your last point is very important and should always be added to the first. Racism, while not violence per se, is not harmless.
Arsikere
i agree, and i've also tried to tell people who believe words are literally physical violence that... and they accuse me of being violent
phoenixsphinx
memequeeen
Why???? does???? everyone???? do???? this???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????
therealVexed
argh non ascii emojis?
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Because ??? It's??? Fucking??? Retarded??? Did??? You?? Expect??? Anything??? Less??? From??? A??? Racist???
LittleKnownOne
I like when they do that. It helps me know to immediately skip whatever they said.
Evergrey
I am trying to figure if I should be reading a clapping sound in between each word, like a girl scouts clappy game?
srs00
For their followers from Rock Bottom
snowpig
????
PhunPhact
Assuming u r referring to the hand clap emoji: Some people do that after each word when speaking aloud to emphasise a point.
Rystefn
It's annoying bullshit in person, and even stupider in text.
StevenJohnsonsRealAccount
I—guess—they—think—they're—Emily—Dickinson.
hstein3
Speech I hate is violence. Violence I like is speech.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Peace is slavery.
OldSchoolTimeTraveler
Yeah white genocide ain't violence, it's a neo Nazi conspiracy theory. Context is important.
somerandomtwat
also white genocide is white genocide people should use a different name for that crack pot conspiracy
no he meant killing white people
SomeCrazyNerd
He specifically referenced actual violence when clarifying this.
And when he tweeted "Off the Pigs," that was . . . what, exactly?
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
George Ciccariello is a piece of shit but this tweet is out of context. He doesn't mean white genocide the way you think, here.
He later clarified he apparently did mean it that way, referencing Haitan Massacre.
laudhaus
He referenced the Haitian revolution, which was a revolt of slaves over their slave owners. In Haiti, at that time, white=slave owner.
I do believe they weren't quite that specific. White may have equalled slave owner to them but that was not quite practically right.
mtallmen184
...I don't see any other way it can be interpreted
White genocide is the terminology for the conspiracy theory that diversity is watering down white purity. Google the subject.
c0smicj0ker
Google it. The first thing you will find is that it's a conspiracy theory started by white supremacists
It's a skinhead conspiracy theory
FlorbFnarb
Lotta people bending over backward to defend this asshole.
that's the worst part- these ideas and people like him actually have huge followings
WowSoSparkly
Whites bend over backward to try and look oppressed, why?
yes because whites are a hive mind that all think the same also how is calling g out a racist trying to look oppressed?
How is he racist? As a white man, he's simply calling out white supremacy conspiracy theories. What's not to love? :D
TallDude
As someone who initially thought he was an asshole, if W.G. means race mixing nd was a neo-nazi term, then it was just a poor joke.
No, it's him wishing that it's real, because he considers it a good thing for non whites to kill whites. He clarified his statement.
Well shit.
Also, this is what he's taught his son: https://i0.wp.com/ambitjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GeorgeCiccariello-Son.png
buttshredder
Oh no, killing slaveholders, how controversial.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Source? First I've seen anyone mention that in the comments here.
ffilm
Maybe because he said it?
That was his clarification to the original post. Also teaching his son that slave owners are defacto 1/2
white: They guy has proudly declared himself a "communist" as well, whatever that means to him. 2/2
he clarified later that he was literally referring to the genocide of white people, specifically in Haiti
zpjon
Wrong tweet:
both authentic. this guy is trying to backtrack.
Trying to backtrack to the literal definition of "white genocide" ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory
Oh, thanks. White genocide is ok then, in that context.
are you seriously thinking i'm defending this asshole?
No, I hope it didn't come across as anything but cynicism.
fairybug
Being an ass is not okay, but saying a racial slur and knocking someone the fuck out are two very different things.
the narrative really is that saying a racial slur is the same as punching someone in the face. i'm not exaggerating- that's what people /
like ole georgie there believe. hence why Safe Spaces are proliferating. this is a good example of Feelings being Reality.
Vedar
Plenty of people thing racist language is the worse of the two.
Dionysus187
People who haven't been through real hardship tend to think that.
Melber
People that have only experienced one of the two for the most part.
Scrubbeh
For some reason.
Ok but for real, can we discuss the missed opportunity to instead say "I'm dreaming of a white genocide just like the ones I used to know!"
BarretXIII
I never understood this obsession with punctuating every single word with an emoji. Seems like a major hassle to have to navigate the menu..
find the emoji, go back, type the next word, and do it all over again for several words. All for a display that's annoying to read
Megapixls
Because people are beyond stupid, twats think that the claps emphasize their bullshit but that's all it is. Preaching out their ass.
CaptainPuddleboat
I think the big problem with anti-racism groups is they seem to think equality can be traded. You did it for a while, so it's our turn now.
that means they are not anti-racism beacuse they are racist for doing that
TimothyVonShaft
I'm not sure why he punctuates his words with clapping, it really takes me out of what he is trying to say.
he's being condescending. imagine a pre-school teacher doing that to a class while trying to get them to repeat something. that's the idea.
RobertEmmet
It's a thing people do. I think it's a part of black american culture that's been coopted by american queer culture, and now is just like a
I thought he was just really proud of himself one word at a time.
free for all idiomatic gestureform for people who are aligning themselves against the privileged groups/classes, which to me seems a bit
like coopting, but I'm not black, so it's not my place to get pissed about cultural appropriation if it ain't my culture
ti85graphingcalculator
This site is so weird. Sometimes very liberal, sometimes very conservative. I just can't pin down you guys' political beliefs.
notme222
It's mostly rage. The side that gets to express their anger the loudest is the one that emerges.
Iamusuallyalurker
It's almost like we're different people with differing opinions. Imagine that!
Sounds dumb
It's a mixed group so it depends on who's most motivated and loud as to whatimpressions you get.
brianthecoder
He must be one of the people who say only white people can be racist
PharmaKarma
I think "White Genocide" is a term neo-nazis use to refer to immigration, mixed race relationships, etc. So he's trolling them.
That's like saying someone used the n-word to troll people
I'm just trying to provide context for use of "White Genocide" as a neo-nazi conspiracy theory, not actually defend his use of the term.
he was also serious about the idea too
notnowthankyou
no, hes not.
disinfectantrum
That is what he means by "White genocide", but he's not trolling them.
He is.
One of the greatest ways to get a plan through everyone is to convince them it's not happening
source:
njullpointer
don't try and make excuses for a racist.
RaisinZetaJones
God I love soc. justice doublespeak and weasel words. You "think"? Why not look it up and actually verify that what you think is true? It's
2/2 He eventually clarified his meaning, and I just wanted to provide that context: but it's not an excuse.
No, what he did was eventually lie. -- You will notice that that comes nearly a full hour before his
clarification; he made a statement, explicitly defined it as including eg. the Haitian massacre (that targeted non-belligerents including
not hard to do so. "So he's trolling them" is a lame excuse. He may be trolling white supremacists in specific, but by doing it in a public
space, where anybody (not just white supremacists) can read it, he's stating to anybody who can't decode his stupid, secret meaning that, on
its face, he desires the genocide of white people. Let's flip the script for a minute. There is a group called the Black Hebrew Israelites;
1/2 I actually address this in my other comments. I really hate that he posted this for some of the exact reasons you're giving.
Yeah, I mean both sides of the conversation here are so insulated and out-of-touch, but this guy isn't calling for literal white genocide.
he was actually, or at least supporting the idea
The problem here is that he's saying "whites" instead of "slaveholders," but again he's not condoning the murder of innocents.
Again, noooooope
But he's white, so still racist. Some peoples levels of white guilt are truly astounding
enemyno9
Only white people can be racist. This is uncontroversial among people who study social problems and race relations as a profession (1/2)
To be a real Racist, you have to be in a position of power and use race as a tool to oppress those who arent. Anything else is just bigotry
somepersondoingsomethings
You cant say something like this and then only look at the macro of US demographics and completely ignore that black people are in position
Of power all over the country whether it be for example in a factory or a class room or even a majority within a neighborhood. To say that
"black people can't be racists bc they are in no positions of power" is ridiculous. They are and can be racist at times. Hate flows through
thats not the definition of racism. "you mean the definition created by RACISTS?" beat you to it
It very much is the academic definition though.
whatever helps you sleep at night
I highly recommend reading 'The Pedagogy of the Meaning of Racism: Reconciling a Discordant Discourse' by Carlos Hoyt Jr. >
He (POC btw) has some nuanced disagreements with Racism = Power + Prejudice. It's just 10 pages, I'll post a link to a PDF:
https://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/8-PedOfRacismSWJournal.pdf
peteforester
Well, "White Genocide" is tinfoil hat fake so his original tweet ends up being a silly joke - especially from a white person. I laughed.
Even if white genocide isn't real, wishing it WAS real, kinda shows his character. Also he clarified his statement and used historical 1/2
examples, like the Haitian Revolution where white passing people were systematically killed as good. 2/2
No that's not the point, that person didn't explain it very well. The term "white genocide" has a very specific meaning, it's what white \
supremacists call mixed race children and stuff because they think it's the systematic destruction of their race. It's just loony stuff.
Wrong:
As I said. Pay attention now. White Genocide isn't real. He wishes it's real because he thinks killing white people is good. His other 1/2
twitter posts show this. 2/2
Guess I gotta post this after all of your wrong comments just to set things straight
then why the fuck did he even "clarify" that? was he Trolling there too? this is the "it's just a prank, bro!" excuse. either way, fuck him
BrownskinOriental
Why are white people fighting like this? Stop it white people.
Cptmike
Right? They should join their forces and start a group... Maybe a club or type of clan.
Ku Klux Klan take their Ku Klux Klasses and then attend the daily Ku Klux Klub activities.
I like how this is the way one would address their pet dog. +1
GigglingWordBearer
Because people are dumb and fighting over a concept that was invented in like the 1500's?
white guilt has been proliferating in the west since the 60's. it's become pervasive. a
You posted the wrong tweet:
you and i both posted correct tweets
Yeah but yours refers to an actual SLAVE revolt and theirs refers to what he meant by "white genocide" in the context of the original tweet
Nomulus
I feel like this is a set up for a joke that everyone else is too afraid to give the punchline too.
They do like to protest each other in predominantly white neighborhoods or colleges. If they want to be brave...south side of Chicago.
Well if we're going to use sweeping generalisations towards races, black people aren't exactly alien to the concept either.
"White Genocide" is a racist concept put forth by literal neo-nazis that the white race is being exterminated through race mixing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory
ForestRed
buffalosnowcrash
That is ridiculous. That would require the offspring of a white and black parent to be considered only black. Nobody considers Obama black.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
PiggyWobbles
That is literally why it is a racist ideology. The entire premise is that "white" genes are being diluted out of existence
But no seriously, are you new to the US?
Those weren't part of the same tweet chain.
look at the dates
Stop spreading FUD
So if it's not clear, he's making fun of neo-nazis.
TestAccount321
Give it up. This is complain-about-black-people hour on imgur
DizzyNosferatu
To a lot of people, especially OP, this is apparently not clear.
He also said that a white massacre was a good thing
Go back to stormfront
No, it's not clear.
https://media.giphy.com/media/d2YVk2ZRuQuqvVlu/giphy.gif
LetumComplexo
Maybe try examining the context behind things before jumping straight to being offended then.
So let me get this straight. If there is some Asian cult that is offended by race mixing and think it's the genocide of their people, I can
Go on twitted and say "all I want for Christmas is Asian genocide" and be all good and not worry about justifying violence to large amounts
rivaar
Is the conspiracy that it's planned? That's obviously not true, but besides that it is kinda gonna happen, it's just basic math.
1. That it's intentional (hence "genocide") and 2. That it is somehow inherently bad for white people and non-white people to have kids.
Ah ok. A bit embarrassing that I didn't know the proper definition of genocide.
That's not the proper definition, it's the interpretation of the term by white supremacists who view non-whites as inhuman.
Kitastrophe
I mean, that assumes you believe that there is a 'white race' and that it is 'diluted' by reproducing with other 'races'
zaraztroe
You don’t believe white people exist? Wow
Race is a social construct by which people are categorized by arbitrarily selected physical attributes. The people still exist. Race doesn't
Do jews exist?
"Speech is violence". Remember reading 1984 and thinking the doublespeak was a stretch?
Lesbiansass
A real life Orwellian nightmare
BoozeHound001
If speech is violence then the inverse is true Violence is speech. and we have free speech so we have free violence as well?
Thrashwell
I'm convinced. Look out, motherfuckers.
DavidBrooker
The use of violence as a legal term, and its use in the topic of power politics, are very different words.
If that's 's true, then the difference is that one use is functional and the other has been abstracted into irrelevance.
I disagree completely. The latter is an academic term with specific meanings within that field. That its not the same meaning as in lay 1/2
terms is unimportant. Its value within the field is what is important, and its value to you and I is what is irrelevant. 2/2
Allrighty
The power of language is a theme that runs throughout 1984.
now let's look at what germany is doing in the name of "stopping hate speech"
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
I mean all you have to do is google the definition to see that intimidation is a form of violence. The internet is your friend.
Where did Google take you that didn't involve the words "physical force"?
It involves physical force among other things. I didn't say physical force wasn't part of the definition. Seriously do you not have internet
Wow you are dumb lol
RecurringNightmare
you think of physical violence, but there is also verbal and emotional/psychological violence...you can harm people in more than one way
I would say that's harassment or abuse. Calling it "violence" only makes it harder to know what the word "violence" refers to in the future.
you are missing the point, because that is exactly the goal...people have to learn that they cant say or do whatever they want...when some >
BearBombs
I also think the term "doublethink" could apply here.
TheShadowsLengthen
Not approving of the first message, but verbal abuse is a form of violence. Some people have been bullied to suicide without being touched.
See here for details : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence#Types
1/? That's exactly the sort of rabbit hole I'm taking issue with. Through a straightforward phrase like "intentional use of physical force
2/? Or power" they abstract "intentional" to mean unintended results of deliberate actions and "power" to mean ... well, anything. The
Again, talking about psychological and emotionnal abuse type of violence here, not "hate speech" or "hurt feelings" or whatever...
4/4 in the precise manner that Orwell described. Under this new definition "violent protest" is meaninglessly vague - IMHO no coincidence.
3/4 result is a word with a lot of impact from prior meaning which can now be used unaccountably. Thus diminishing useful communication
5/4 Oh lest I forget, they also include ANOTHER form of doublespeak: omission is the same as commission. Doing nothing can be violent.
NotTheSharpestSpoonInTheDrawer
This comes down to the definition of violence. Are violence any act that causes harm? Or are there non-violent actions that can cause harm?
Still not violence. Violence is physical force.
Not necessarily, at least according to the medical definition I looked up.
I don't care. If doctors say words are violence, they're wrong. Are you entitled to defend against some words with fists?
Not talking about politic at all. I'm talking about psychological abuse in children, dependant and relatives that takes a verbal form.
CaptSweatpants
By definition, violence involves physical force. Verbal abuse is absolutely abuse and absolutely cases harm, but it is not violent
JustDontCare
I agree. It's this wanton skewing of definitions and boundaries that leaves us all on shakey ground
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
except.... thats how language has ALWAYS worked its not set in stone it never was.
CrazyGuyOnABike
I don't think that's true. The first dictionary definition I could locate involved physical force, but the next two were:
"damage or adversely affect" and "behaviour intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something".
PowwerOrb13
I'm assuming it only refers to tangible things, not concepts and as such couldn't include verbal abuse since it cannot physically damage.
reverendbonobo
That's a pretty broad definition. Not getting enough sleep is violence.
We're those always in the definition or added after popular movement?
This disagrees : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence#Types
Devante
Not taking a side but Wikipedia is far from the official source for any information whatsoever.
It's become far better than its old reputation could make you believe. Also, I have since verified on other websites.
prufock
Key point there I think is "threatened or actual" force.
Under "Types", wikipedia lists "psychological" and "emotional" as forms of violence.
Furthermore you misread the article. The intro considers that either "threatened or actual" force is to be called violence.
Ullala
Every edgy professor thinks they're the next Socrates. I personally think they're more concerned with their own brand and celebrity.
https://i0.wp.com/ambitjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GeorgeCiccariello-Son.png He's busy turning his son into a psychopath.
flacoloco
oh SNAP!!!
But he isn't advocating violence just making silly jokes about how dumb white supremacists are, it's ok guys! Honest! White genocide ftw! /s
CaptainMilkshake
George Ciccariello is an opportunist bully. Fuck him in his tenured ass.
Verldemert
Wow. I almost gave a shit about who he is.
Gawky
in my contry, tenured professors can get it taken away if they break the law
agaywizard
"White Genocide" is a term used by neo-nazis to describe the ~fall of the white race~ via miscegenation, not an actual genocide #tmyk
manimatr0n
Nobody gives a fuck about parsing Nazi slang.
"White genocide", while it may be a white supremacist shibboleth, is not widely known to the general public. Using implied definitions in a
public space and then getting mad when people read the *explicit* definitions because that's all they're familiar with is not an excuse.
GeneralWho
igivetheinternets
I don't get it. What did hand cut off guy say
Sacurason
He was trolling neo-nazis with the original tweet.
ndrwmxwll
But genocide is still a scary word!
Rabble rabble rabble :p
He was trolling neo-nazis *in a public space, using words nobody who wasn't a neo-nazi would understand, and therefore would be frightened
Am i a neo Nazi? I knew it because yknow Idaho we sorta have a fair number of those types.
by*. Oops, you left that part out of your racist apologism. I'm sure you left that out by mistake, total accident. Butterfingers!
What? Racist apologism? Your lack of understanding isn't my problem. Educate yourself.
LMAO, @Sacurason didn't even bother trying to rebut the below argument, just tried to downvote it... and failed at that too.
George Ciccarielo knew, or reasonably ought to have known, that the public at large would not know or understand a white supremacist code
Manaslu
Who?
VoxOfVoice
lord cornhilio
undead4life
George Ciccariello
XaviersSnakeArm
t91blacknteal1
George Costanza
Oh ok
phoenyxthedrummer
Cares
aceebro
His students, probably.
Bassaker
That cunt is allowed to teach?! Well, there is your problem
enterusernamehere25
perfect
Makinbrosmadonimgurandnotgivingafuck
https://www.myinstants.com/instant/omg-who-the-hell-cares/
n0gal
Mike Jones.
amazingdisgrace
Don't act like you don't know the name!
TheBronzeHairline
Back den dey din wan me nah hot dey oil on me
MotherfuckinFalcoandShit
Sorry, fuck mike jones. Rock me Amadeus.
SniggleJake
2 8 1, 3 3 oh, 8 0 0 4
+1 for Texas!
dang that was a quick reply haha
leakypete
To be fair, there's a lot of context around the term "white genocide" that I wasn't aware of before I heard about these tweets.
motorwaffle
I refuse to believe someone purportedly that educated doesn't know damn well what that term will mean to most people.
There are huge swaths of the US that simply don't have to deal with racial tension on a daily basis. Your environment can easily be a bubble
And the people in those areas are educated enough to be in scholarly discussion of race relations, are they?
No but the ones that are are familiar with "white genocide." My point is we all live in bubbles. The web just lets them intersect a lot.
That's besides my point. Communicating in a way that you know will be misunderstood is pointless at best, and damaging at worst.
Better check yourself, cause this is what he said: /a/vW5cL
then why the clarification he made? is he supporting this figment as a real idea?
Turns out people can talk about multiple things on twitter throughout a day.
Ihateyouallsosomuch
He is supporting the things the supremacists call "white genocide", i.e. immigration and interracial marriage.
"white genocide" = mixed-race couples having kids. I doubt he was seriously advocating violence, just trolling against white supremacists
He tweeted once the Haitan massacre was good and that's what kind of genocide he wanted.
Sassmachine
He has said as much when asked about it. Though, he's said some other stuff that's kind of fucked up.
People who use the term are usually white nationalists equate immigration or "cultural marxism" to genocide.
Don't think that's what this fella means. Unless he's just a troll.
That's exactly what he meant. He was making fun of racists who think having biracial kids is genocide.
Not a "troll", just a regular old joke. Seemed obvious to me.
asquiiiiiiisha
I'm pretty sure he's mocking the people who use the term in sincerity and think it is an actual thing.
comehomefransbrauder
Jeez, I hope so. I can't stomach people calling for genocide. What the actual fuck, man?
that's exactly what he's doing and people here apparently can't understand it
no, he isnt.
Or they do understand but they're feigning outrage.
Given his previous statement, he doesn't sound like the sort who would use the term "white genocide" the way a white nationalist would.
StatikGenesis
If everyone did understand it, he's still a professor, you shouldn't post shit like that as a rolemodel but then take into account that 1/?
"LOL why would anyone be upset by me saying 'let's obliterate an entire culture'"
SurelyNotAWalrus
The validity of his statement aside, the original tweet is a troll to the far right, who accuse people like him on the left of 'genocide'
Promethianfire
"But it's ok when we do it!" --everyone.
rainbowblow
Suddenly "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas" seems less jovial
BenjaminPannell
I causally brought that up once as part of a choir. The director had to pause because she could not stop laughing.
BradysButtBoy
This is the asshole who had to "try not to vomit" when someone gave up their seat on a plane to a soldier. Just absolute filth of society
SaintMaceToTheFace
Agreed
GirdleTurtle
technically he never said violence was bad or he doesn't commit/condone violence. George C. Could just be a very violent individual.
TheAccursedHamster
That stupid clapping emoticon is just as obnoxious as the rest of him.
IsACouchASeat
If you use that emoji like that, you are obnoxious.
jagdbogentag
(Only) Speech (I don't like) is violence [because my parents raised me shitty with no resiliency and I never learned to ignore assholes]
MasterFetus
WHY ARE THERE 5 CLAPS AND ONLY 4 WORDS WHY IS THIS MAKING ME SO ANGRY
TheTerribleAccountant
Although I believe solemnly in absolute free speech, the genocide tweet was made in a sarcastic tone ^ What happens when there's no context
BradysButtBoy
This guy terrifies me. It scares the shit outta me knowing he is out there "educating" students. And I lean toward liberal, guy's just nuts
LemonsAndGarlic
I think a lot of people really misunderstand what real violence is. Like, civil war is violence. Hate speech and racist speech 1/2
LemonsAndGarlic
2/2 While shitty, is not violence. Also we should always fight back against racist and hate speech because it can encourage real violence.
GnomeCompSci
Your last point is very important and should always be added to the first. Racism, while not violence per se, is not harmless.
Arsikere
i agree, and i've also tried to tell people who believe words are literally physical violence that... and they accuse me of being violent
phoenixsphinx
memequeeen
Why???? does???? everyone???? do???? this???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????
therealVexed
argh non ascii emojis?
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Because ??? It's??? Fucking??? Retarded??? Did??? You?? Expect??? Anything??? Less??? From??? A??? Racist???
LittleKnownOne
I like when they do that. It helps me know to immediately skip whatever they said.
Evergrey
I am trying to figure if I should be reading a clapping sound in between each word, like a girl scouts clappy game?
srs00
For their followers from Rock Bottom
snowpig
????
PhunPhact
Assuming u r referring to the hand clap emoji: Some people do that after each word when speaking aloud to emphasise a point.
Rystefn
It's annoying bullshit in person, and even stupider in text.
StevenJohnsonsRealAccount
I—guess—they—think—they're—Emily—Dickinson.
hstein3
Speech I hate is violence. Violence I like is speech.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Peace is slavery.
OldSchoolTimeTraveler
Yeah white genocide ain't violence, it's a neo Nazi conspiracy theory. Context is important.
somerandomtwat
also white genocide is white genocide people should use a different name for that crack pot conspiracy
somerandomtwat
no he meant killing white people
SomeCrazyNerd
He specifically referenced actual violence when clarifying this.
hstein3
And when he tweeted "Off the Pigs," that was . . . what, exactly?
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
George Ciccariello is a piece of shit but this tweet is out of context. He doesn't mean white genocide the way you think, here.
SomeCrazyNerd
He later clarified he apparently did mean it that way, referencing Haitan Massacre.
laudhaus
He referenced the Haitian revolution, which was a revolt of slaves over their slave owners. In Haiti, at that time, white=slave owner.
SomeCrazyNerd
I do believe they weren't quite that specific. White may have equalled slave owner to them but that was not quite practically right.
mtallmen184
...I don't see any other way it can be interpreted
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
White genocide is the terminology for the conspiracy theory that diversity is watering down white purity. Google the subject.
c0smicj0ker
Google it. The first thing you will find is that it's a conspiracy theory started by white supremacists
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
It's a skinhead conspiracy theory
FlorbFnarb
Lotta people bending over backward to defend this asshole.
Arsikere
that's the worst part- these ideas and people like him actually have huge followings
WowSoSparkly
Whites bend over backward to try and look oppressed, why?
somerandomtwat
yes because whites are a hive mind that all think the same also how is calling g out a racist trying to look oppressed?
WowSoSparkly
How is he racist? As a white man, he's simply calling out white supremacy conspiracy theories. What's not to love? :D
TallDude
As someone who initially thought he was an asshole, if W.G. means race mixing nd was a neo-nazi term, then it was just a poor joke.
GodEmperorOfImgur
No, it's him wishing that it's real, because he considers it a good thing for non whites to kill whites. He clarified his statement.
TallDude
Well shit.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Also, this is what he's taught his son: https://i0.wp.com/ambitjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GeorgeCiccariello-Son.png
buttshredder
Oh no, killing slaveholders, how controversial.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Source? First I've seen anyone mention that in the comments here.
ffilm
Maybe because he said it?
Arsikere
GodEmperorOfImgur
GodEmperorOfImgur
white:
They guy has proudly declared himself a "communist" as well, whatever that means to him. 2/2
Arsikere
he clarified later that he was literally referring to the genocide of white people, specifically in Haiti
zpjon
Wrong tweet:
Arsikere
both authentic. this guy is trying to backtrack.
zpjon
Trying to backtrack to the literal definition of "white genocide" ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory
ffilm
Oh, thanks. White genocide is ok then, in that context.
Arsikere
are you seriously thinking i'm defending this asshole?
ffilm
No, I hope it didn't come across as anything but cynicism.
fairybug
Being an ass is not okay, but saying a racial slur and knocking someone the fuck out are two very different things.
Arsikere
the narrative really is that saying a racial slur is the same as punching someone in the face. i'm not exaggerating- that's what people /
Arsikere
like ole georgie there believe. hence why Safe Spaces are proliferating. this is a good example of Feelings being Reality.
Vedar
Plenty of people thing racist language is the worse of the two.
Dionysus187
People who haven't been through real hardship tend to think that.
Melber
People that have only experienced one of the two for the most part.
Scrubbeh
For some reason.
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
Ok but for real, can we discuss the missed opportunity to instead say "I'm dreaming of a white genocide just like the ones I used to know!"
BarretXIII
I never understood this obsession with punctuating every single word with an emoji. Seems like a major hassle to have to navigate the menu..
BarretXIII
find the emoji, go back, type the next word, and do it all over again for several words. All for a display that's annoying to read
Megapixls
Because people are beyond stupid, twats think that the claps emphasize their bullshit but that's all it is. Preaching out their ass.
CaptainPuddleboat
I think the big problem with anti-racism groups is they seem to think equality can be traded. You did it for a while, so it's our turn now.
somerandomtwat
that means they are not anti-racism beacuse they are racist for doing that
TimothyVonShaft
I'm not sure why he punctuates his words with clapping, it really takes me out of what he is trying to say.
Arsikere
he's being condescending. imagine a pre-school teacher doing that to a class while trying to get them to repeat something. that's the idea.
RobertEmmet
It's a thing people do. I think it's a part of black american culture that's been coopted by american queer culture, and now is just like a
TimothyVonShaft
I thought he was just really proud of himself one word at a time.
RobertEmmet
free for all idiomatic gestureform for people who are aligning themselves against the privileged groups/classes, which to me seems a bit
RobertEmmet
like coopting, but I'm not black, so it's not my place to get pissed about cultural appropriation if it ain't my culture
ti85graphingcalculator
This site is so weird. Sometimes very liberal, sometimes very conservative. I just can't pin down you guys' political beliefs.
notme222
It's mostly rage. The side that gets to express their anger the loudest is the one that emerges.
Iamusuallyalurker
It's almost like we're different people with differing opinions. Imagine that!
ti85graphingcalculator
Sounds dumb
SomeCrazyNerd
It's a mixed group so it depends on who's most motivated and loud as to whatimpressions you get.
brianthecoder
He must be one of the people who say only white people can be racist
PharmaKarma
I think "White Genocide" is a term neo-nazis use to refer to immigration, mixed race relationships, etc. So he's trolling them.
brianthecoder
That's like saying someone used the n-word to troll people
PharmaKarma
I'm just trying to provide context for use of "White Genocide" as a neo-nazi conspiracy theory, not actually defend his use of the term.
Arsikere
he was also serious about the idea too
notnowthankyou
no, hes not.
disinfectantrum
That is what he means by "White genocide", but he's not trolling them.
GnomeCompSci
He is.
disinfectantrum
One of the greatest ways to get a plan through everyone is to convince them it's not happening
Arsikere
source:
njullpointer
don't try and make excuses for a racist.
RaisinZetaJones
God I love soc. justice doublespeak and weasel words. You "think"? Why not look it up and actually verify that what you think is true? It's
PharmaKarma
2/2 He eventually clarified his meaning, and I just wanted to provide that context:
but it's not an excuse.
RaisinZetaJones
No, what he did was eventually lie.
-- You will notice that that comes nearly a full hour before his
RaisinZetaJones
clarification; he made a statement, explicitly defined it as including eg. the Haitian massacre (that targeted non-belligerents including
RaisinZetaJones
not hard to do so. "So he's trolling them" is a lame excuse. He may be trolling white supremacists in specific, but by doing it in a public
RaisinZetaJones
space, where anybody (not just white supremacists) can read it, he's stating to anybody who can't decode his stupid, secret meaning that, on
RaisinZetaJones
its face, he desires the genocide of white people. Let's flip the script for a minute. There is a group called the Black Hebrew Israelites;
PharmaKarma
1/2 I actually address this in my other comments. I really hate that he posted this for some of the exact reasons you're giving.
buttshredder
Yeah, I mean both sides of the conversation here are so insulated and out-of-touch, but this guy isn't calling for literal white genocide.
Arsikere
he was actually, or at least supporting the idea
buttshredder
The problem here is that he's saying "whites" instead of "slaveholders," but again he's not condoning the murder of innocents.
zpjon
Again, noooooope
disinfectantrum
But he's white, so still racist. Some peoples levels of white guilt are truly astounding
enemyno9
Only white people can be racist. This is uncontroversial among people who study social problems and race relations as a profession (1/2)
enemyno9
To be a real Racist, you have to be in a position of power and use race as a tool to oppress those who arent. Anything else is just bigotry
somepersondoingsomethings
You cant say something like this and then only look at the macro of US demographics and completely ignore that black people are in position
somepersondoingsomethings
Of power all over the country whether it be for example in a factory or a class room or even a majority within a neighborhood. To say that
somepersondoingsomethings
"black people can't be racists bc they are in no positions of power" is ridiculous. They are and can be racist at times. Hate flows through
notnowthankyou
thats not the definition of racism. "you mean the definition created by RACISTS?" beat you to it
GnomeCompSci
It very much is the academic definition though.
notnowthankyou
whatever helps you sleep at night
GnomeCompSci
I highly recommend reading 'The Pedagogy of the Meaning of Racism: Reconciling a Discordant Discourse' by Carlos Hoyt Jr. >
GnomeCompSci
He (POC btw) has some nuanced disagreements with Racism = Power + Prejudice. It's just 10 pages, I'll post a link to a PDF:
GnomeCompSci
https://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/8-PedOfRacismSWJournal.pdf
peteforester
Well, "White Genocide" is tinfoil hat fake so his original tweet ends up being a silly joke - especially from a white person. I laughed.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Even if white genocide isn't real, wishing it WAS real, kinda shows his character. Also he clarified his statement and used historical 1/2
GodEmperorOfImgur
examples, like the Haitian Revolution where white passing people were systematically killed as good. 2/2
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
No that's not the point, that person didn't explain it very well. The term "white genocide" has a very specific meaning, it's what white \
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
supremacists call mixed race children and stuff because they think it's the systematic destruction of their race. It's just loony stuff.
zpjon
Wrong:
GodEmperorOfImgur
As I said. Pay attention now. White Genocide isn't real. He wishes it's real because he thinks killing white people is good. His other 1/2
GodEmperorOfImgur
twitter posts show this. 2/2
Arsikere
he clarified later that he was literally referring to the genocide of white people, specifically in Haiti
zpjon
Guess I gotta post this after all of your wrong comments just to set things straight
Arsikere
then why the fuck did he even "clarify" that? was he Trolling there too? this is the "it's just a prank, bro!" excuse. either way, fuck him
BrownskinOriental
Why are white people fighting like this? Stop it white people.
Cptmike
Right? They should join their forces and start a group... Maybe a club or type of clan.
Scrubbeh
Ku Klux Klan take their Ku Klux Klasses and then attend the daily Ku Klux Klub activities.
RobertEmmet
I like how this is the way one would address their pet dog. +1
GigglingWordBearer
Because people are dumb and fighting over a concept that was invented in like the 1500's?
Arsikere
white guilt has been proliferating in the west since the 60's. it's become pervasive. a
zpjon
You posted the wrong tweet:
Arsikere
you and i both posted correct tweets
c0smicj0ker
Yeah but yours refers to an actual SLAVE revolt and theirs refers to what he meant by "white genocide" in the context of the original tweet
Nomulus
I feel like this is a set up for a joke that everyone else is too afraid to give the punchline too.
BrownskinOriental
They do like to protest each other in predominantly white neighborhoods or colleges. If they want to be brave...south side of Chicago.
Nomulus
Well if we're going to use sweeping generalisations towards races, black people aren't exactly alien to the concept either.
zpjon
"White Genocide" is a racist concept put forth by literal neo-nazis that the white race is being exterminated through race mixing.
zpjon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory
ForestRed
zpjon
buffalosnowcrash
That is ridiculous. That would require the offspring of a white and black parent to be considered only black. Nobody considers Obama black.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
PiggyWobbles
That is literally why it is a racist ideology. The entire premise is that "white" genes are being diluted out of existence
ILikeToCallItLostWages
But no seriously, are you new to the US?
Arsikere
he clarified later that he was literally referring to the genocide of white people, specifically in Haiti
zpjon
Those weren't part of the same tweet chain.
Arsikere
look at the dates
zpjon
Stop spreading FUD
zpjon
So if it's not clear, he's making fun of neo-nazis.
TestAccount321
Give it up. This is complain-about-black-people hour on imgur
DizzyNosferatu
To a lot of people, especially OP, this is apparently not clear.
SaintMaceToTheFace
He also said that a white massacre was a good thing
ForestRed
zpjon
Go back to stormfront
Vedar
No, it's not clear.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
https://media.giphy.com/media/d2YVk2ZRuQuqvVlu/giphy.gif
LetumComplexo
Maybe try examining the context behind things before jumping straight to being offended then.
somepersondoingsomethings
So let me get this straight. If there is some Asian cult that is offended by race mixing and think it's the genocide of their people, I can
somepersondoingsomethings
Go on twitted and say "all I want for Christmas is Asian genocide" and be all good and not worry about justifying violence to large amounts
rivaar
Is the conspiracy that it's planned? That's obviously not true, but besides that it is kinda gonna happen, it's just basic math.
zpjon
1. That it's intentional (hence "genocide") and 2. That it is somehow inherently bad for white people and non-white people to have kids.
rivaar
Ah ok. A bit embarrassing that I didn't know the proper definition of genocide.
buttshredder
That's not the proper definition, it's the interpretation of the term by white supremacists who view non-whites as inhuman.
Kitastrophe
I mean, that assumes you believe that there is a 'white race' and that it is 'diluted' by reproducing with other 'races'
zaraztroe
You don’t believe white people exist? Wow
Kitastrophe
Race is a social construct by which people are categorized by arbitrarily selected physical attributes. The people still exist. Race doesn't
zaraztroe
Do jews exist?
notme222
"Speech is violence". Remember reading 1984 and thinking the doublespeak was a stretch?
Lesbiansass
A real life Orwellian nightmare
BoozeHound001
If speech is violence then the inverse is true Violence is speech. and we have free speech so we have free violence as well?
Thrashwell
I'm convinced. Look out, motherfuckers.
DavidBrooker
The use of violence as a legal term, and its use in the topic of power politics, are very different words.
notme222
If that's 's true, then the difference is that one use is functional and the other has been abstracted into irrelevance.
DavidBrooker
I disagree completely. The latter is an academic term with specific meanings within that field. That its not the same meaning as in lay 1/2
DavidBrooker
terms is unimportant. Its value within the field is what is important, and its value to you and I is what is irrelevant. 2/2
Allrighty
The power of language is a theme that runs throughout 1984.
Arsikere
now let's look at what germany is doing in the name of "stopping hate speech"
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
I mean all you have to do is google the definition to see that intimidation is a form of violence. The internet is your friend.
notme222
Where did Google take you that didn't involve the words "physical force"?
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
It involves physical force among other things. I didn't say physical force wasn't part of the definition. Seriously do you not have internet
zaraztroe
Wow you are dumb lol
RecurringNightmare
you think of physical violence, but there is also verbal and emotional/psychological violence...you can harm people in more than one way
notme222
I would say that's harassment or abuse. Calling it "violence" only makes it harder to know what the word "violence" refers to in the future.
RecurringNightmare
you are missing the point, because that is exactly the goal...people have to learn that they cant say or do whatever they want...when some >
BearBombs
I also think the term "doublethink" could apply here.
TheShadowsLengthen
Not approving of the first message, but verbal abuse is a form of violence. Some people have been bullied to suicide without being touched.
TheShadowsLengthen
See here for details : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence#Types
notme222
1/? That's exactly the sort of rabbit hole I'm taking issue with. Through a straightforward phrase like "intentional use of physical force
notme222
2/? Or power" they abstract "intentional" to mean unintended results of deliberate actions and "power" to mean ... well, anything. The
TheShadowsLengthen
Again, talking about psychological and emotionnal abuse type of violence here, not "hate speech" or "hurt feelings" or whatever...
notme222
4/4 in the precise manner that Orwell described. Under this new definition "violent protest" is meaninglessly vague - IMHO no coincidence.
notme222
3/4 result is a word with a lot of impact from prior meaning which can now be used unaccountably. Thus diminishing useful communication
notme222
5/4 Oh lest I forget, they also include ANOTHER form of doublespeak: omission is the same as commission. Doing nothing can be violent.
NotTheSharpestSpoonInTheDrawer
This comes down to the definition of violence. Are violence any act that causes harm? Or are there non-violent actions that can cause harm?
FlorbFnarb
Still not violence. Violence is physical force.
TheShadowsLengthen
Not necessarily, at least according to the medical definition I looked up.
FlorbFnarb
I don't care. If doctors say words are violence, they're wrong. Are you entitled to defend against some words with fists?
TheShadowsLengthen
Not talking about politic at all. I'm talking about psychological abuse in children, dependant and relatives that takes a verbal form.
CaptSweatpants
By definition, violence involves physical force. Verbal abuse is absolutely abuse and absolutely cases harm, but it is not violent
JustDontCare
I agree. It's this wanton skewing of definitions and boundaries that leaves us all on shakey ground
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
except.... thats how language has ALWAYS worked its not set in stone it never was.
CrazyGuyOnABike
I don't think that's true. The first dictionary definition I could locate involved physical force, but the next two were:
CrazyGuyOnABike
"damage or adversely affect" and "behaviour intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something".
PowwerOrb13
I'm assuming it only refers to tangible things, not concepts and as such couldn't include verbal abuse since it cannot physically damage.
reverendbonobo
That's a pretty broad definition. Not getting enough sleep is violence.
JustDontCare
We're those always in the definition or added after popular movement?
TheShadowsLengthen
This disagrees : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence#Types
Devante
Not taking a side but Wikipedia is far from the official source for any information whatsoever.
TheShadowsLengthen
It's become far better than its old reputation could make you believe. Also, I have since verified on other websites.
prufock
Key point there I think is "threatened or actual" force.
TheShadowsLengthen
Under "Types", wikipedia lists "psychological" and "emotional" as forms of violence.
TheShadowsLengthen
Furthermore you misread the article. The intro considers that either "threatened or actual" force is to be called violence.
Ullala
Every edgy professor thinks they're the next Socrates. I personally think they're more concerned with their own brand and celebrity.
GodEmperorOfImgur
https://i0.wp.com/ambitjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GeorgeCiccariello-Son.png He's busy turning his son into a psychopath.
flacoloco
oh SNAP!!!
somepersondoingsomethings
But he isn't advocating violence just making silly jokes about how dumb white supremacists are, it's ok guys! Honest! White genocide ftw! /s
CaptainMilkshake
George Ciccariello is an opportunist bully. Fuck him in his tenured ass.
Verldemert
Wow. I almost gave a shit about who he is.
Gawky
in my contry, tenured professors can get it taken away if they break the law
agaywizard
"White Genocide" is a term used by neo-nazis to describe the ~fall of the white race~ via miscegenation, not an actual genocide #tmyk
manimatr0n
Nobody gives a fuck about parsing Nazi slang.
RaisinZetaJones
"White genocide", while it may be a white supremacist shibboleth, is not widely known to the general public. Using implied definitions in a
RaisinZetaJones
public space and then getting mad when people read the *explicit* definitions because that's all they're familiar with is not an excuse.
GeneralWho
igivetheinternets
I don't get it. What did hand cut off guy say
Sacurason
He was trolling neo-nazis with the original tweet.
ndrwmxwll
But genocide is still a scary word!
Sacurason
Rabble rabble rabble :p
RaisinZetaJones
He was trolling neo-nazis *in a public space, using words nobody who wasn't a neo-nazi would understand, and therefore would be frightened
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Am i a neo Nazi? I knew it because yknow Idaho we sorta have a fair number of those types.
RaisinZetaJones
by*. Oops, you left that part out of your racist apologism. I'm sure you left that out by mistake, total accident. Butterfingers!
Sacurason
What? Racist apologism? Your lack of understanding isn't my problem. Educate yourself.
RaisinZetaJones
LMAO, @Sacurason didn't even bother trying to rebut the below argument, just tried to downvote it... and failed at that too.
RaisinZetaJones
George Ciccarielo knew, or reasonably ought to have known, that the public at large would not know or understand a white supremacist code
Manaslu
Who?
VoxOfVoice
lord cornhilio
undead4life
George Ciccariello
XaviersSnakeArm
Who?
t91blacknteal1
George Costanza
XaviersSnakeArm
Oh ok
phoenyxthedrummer
Cares
aceebro
His students, probably.
Bassaker
That cunt is allowed to teach?! Well, there is your problem
enterusernamehere25
perfect
Makinbrosmadonimgurandnotgivingafuck
https://www.myinstants.com/instant/omg-who-the-hell-cares/
n0gal
Mike Jones.
amazingdisgrace
Don't act like you don't know the name!
TheBronzeHairline
Back den dey din wan me nah hot dey oil on me
MotherfuckinFalcoandShit
Who?
n0gal
Sorry, fuck mike jones. Rock me Amadeus.
SniggleJake
2 8 1, 3 3 oh, 8 0 0 4
CaptainMilkshake
+1 for Texas!
SniggleJake
dang that was a quick reply haha
leakypete
To be fair, there's a lot of context around the term "white genocide" that I wasn't aware of before I heard about these tweets.
motorwaffle
I refuse to believe someone purportedly that educated doesn't know damn well what that term will mean to most people.
leakypete
There are huge swaths of the US that simply don't have to deal with racial tension on a daily basis. Your environment can easily be a bubble
motorwaffle
And the people in those areas are educated enough to be in scholarly discussion of race relations, are they?
leakypete
No but the ones that are are familiar with "white genocide." My point is we all live in bubbles. The web just lets them intersect a lot.
motorwaffle
That's besides my point. Communicating in a way that you know will be misunderstood is pointless at best, and damaging at worst.
Arsikere
he clarified later that he was literally referring to the genocide of white people, specifically in Haiti
zpjon
Better check yourself, cause this is what he said: /a/vW5cL
Arsikere
then why the clarification he made? is he supporting this figment as a real idea?
zpjon
Turns out people can talk about multiple things on twitter throughout a day.
Ihateyouallsosomuch
He is supporting the things the supremacists call "white genocide", i.e. immigration and interracial marriage.
DizzyNosferatu
"white genocide" = mixed-race couples having kids. I doubt he was seriously advocating violence, just trolling against white supremacists
SomeCrazyNerd
He tweeted once the Haitan massacre was good and that's what kind of genocide he wanted.
Sassmachine
He has said as much when asked about it. Though, he's said some other stuff that's kind of fucked up.
Promethianfire
People who use the term are usually white nationalists equate immigration or "cultural marxism" to genocide.
Promethianfire
Don't think that's what this fella means. Unless he's just a troll.
laudhaus
That's exactly what he meant. He was making fun of racists who think having biracial kids is genocide.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Not a "troll", just a regular old joke. Seemed obvious to me.
c0smicj0ker
asquiiiiiiisha
I'm pretty sure he's mocking the people who use the term in sincerity and think it is an actual thing.
comehomefransbrauder
Jeez, I hope so. I can't stomach people calling for genocide. What the actual fuck, man?
agaywizard
that's exactly what he's doing and people here apparently can't understand it
notnowthankyou
no, he isnt.
Allrighty
Or they do understand but they're feigning outrage.
Promethianfire
Given his previous statement, he doesn't sound like the sort who would use the term "white genocide" the way a white nationalist would.
StatikGenesis
If everyone did understand it, he's still a professor, you shouldn't post shit like that as a rolemodel but then take into account that 1/?
Promethianfire
"LOL why would anyone be upset by me saying 'let's obliterate an entire culture'"