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A notorious anti-LGBTQ+ Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) hate pastor has been caught on tape defending the domestic violence of a fellow hate-mongering preacher in a recently posted covert recording.
In the video recording of a phone conversation between John Anderson — the estranged son of Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona — and Pastor Jonathan Shelley (a fellow anti-LGBTQ+ IFB leader), Shelley bends over backward to excuse John Anderson’s accusations his father beat his mother with an electrical cord countless times, slapped her hard across the face repeatedly, and left her bloodied on numerous occasions.
“My dad’s been meeting with his church members and said, ‘I have never hit my wife, physically laid hands on her,’ which is something that is blatantly not true, because I saw him hit her on a regular basis for years. That’s something my other siblings can attest to. You can ask any of them.”
“It’s important to kind of identify what we’re talking about,” Shelley advises him. “I just want to know from your perspective, you’re saying that you witnessed your dad with a closed fist punch your mom, and you saw that?
“No, I never said that. He slapped her,” John says after detailing the electrical cord beatings and other violent abuse that both he, his siblings and his mother endured.
“I have spoken with your dad about some intimate details. Frankly speaking, he told me that he never closed-fist hit your mom.”
Shelley uses the distinction to justify Steven Anderson’s behavior as “consensual discipline” of a wife by her husband. That distinction, according to Shelley, justifies Steven Anderson’s public denials of his children’s allegations, and the alternative abuse itself.
“Here’s the thing, John,” Shelley says. “I’m not going to disqualify a pastor over domestic abuse because the Bible is silent on that.”
“I asked him if he used physical discipline on your mom,” Shelley continued, “and he told me that whatever he had done between him and your mom was consensual, and that it was behind closed doors, you know, and that whatever his kids were aware of were an exaggeration of what happened.”
Shelley added that wife-beating “in America — that was legal for hundreds of years and exercised by many people regularly.”
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/09/hate-preacher-defends-unhinged-colleagues-alleged-wife-beating-in-shocking-video/
https://x.com/Protestia/status/1838897747295912011
secondgoaround
Why the background look like Weekend Update tho? This shit ain’t funny.
akaychattin8
Hope his children and wife get the help they need. How he gets what he deserves. As long as it's "consensual "
worm61
The Bible is NOT “silent on that”. In fact, it gives specific instructions for how husbands should beat their wives and children, which is exactly why it should not be used as a model for morality.
dbbbbs
Not a drag queen I guess.
mity0k23
I know a thing or three about “consensual discipline” as part of play between consenting adults. And I’ve been on both ends of a responsibly-wielded electrical cord. That shit hurts (so good or so bad, it’s up to you). This whole story doesn’t read like part of that lifestyle. This is more like abuse and apologetics for it.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It definitely isn't because the son claims the kids were hit with the electrical wire too. So if it was done as some kind of sex play, then a) the kids *cannot* consent, and b) it's incest. So if that's his story it's even worse than "just" physical abuse.
mity0k23
Yucky
Trassation
Dead Domain on YouTube just posted an interview with Steven Anderson's runaway daughter.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpeu6F2Cxzw
yifin
The end of that interview is heart breaking.
littlecoatfatguy
These are the religious zealots behind 2025, who will be largely running the country in a Trump presidency.
They know their minority beliefs will never win another fair election, so they’re trying to install literal fascism and end democracy.
They believe they should have dominion over your life because their magic sky book says so. You can stop them with an avalanche of ballots.
gorillaClutch
He's not entirely wrong. The Bible is more or less pro-wife beating. One of the many reasons we should never use it for morality or lawmaking
SecondMovement
Dead Domain has been doing interviews with children from this family. It is...intense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpeu6F2Cxzw&pp=ygULZGVhZCBkb21haW4%3D
qui9
Well look who suddenly believes that what goes on between consenting adults is nobody’s business.
coolgecko1
This!
Thornaxe
Except in this case I don’t think the wife is consenting.
Navrodel
I'm sure they believe some nonsense like "She consented when I put that ring on her hand!" - as though consent could be a one time contract instead of an agreement that one needs to continually affirm. Coming from "traditional family values" like that, it's almost no wonder how many idiots think that 50 Shades of Bullshit is a "normal" bdsm relationship...
androgenoide
No one who says "I am a great father" or "I am a nice guy" is to be taken at his word. It might be true but then why would he have to say it?
therandombagofmeat
Close fisted or open handed does not matter. A hit is a hit. And it was not consensual. Fuck him.
cytherians
I'd wondered what became of Adolf Hitler. 😏
therandombagofmeat
Wut?
cytherians
That devil drawing... notice the upper lip.
xypotion
I don't think so. That's just shading. It would be more obvious if this was supposed to be Hitler.
vigilantvigilantes
All this talk of “in the bedroom” and no explanation of why the kids were there witnessing what happened “in the bedroom.”
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It says he hit the kids too, soooo...
req4adream99
Spousal abuse was never legal in the States. The “rule of thumb” never existed, and there are documented cases of spousal abusers getting punished - usually by a group of men. It’s why bruises caused by spousal abuse have almost always been covered up by the victim.
cytherians
For a time, "spare the rod, spoil the child" was taken literally and quite normally accepted. The rod was a long wooden dowel. And when that resulted in too much injury, they switched to belts. I'll never forget being at a friend's house. We were roughhousing and he broke a vase. His mother escorted me in the next room, but I caught a glimpse of the father stripping off his belt and then whacking his son with it. I had an unhealthy fear of that man from that moment on.
chefsoda
The problem is that this is wordplay. Abuse has always been illegal, but beating you wife was not held generally illegal in the US until 1883, and where the line is drawn between striking, beating, and abuse differs greatly across the county. Open hand vs closed first, requirements for a visible injury, etc. still exist in parts of the US. It's better, but far from a universal rule.
cytherians
Women were treated as property for a painfully long period of time, at the mercy of their husbands. Good luck if you married a psychopath. Divorce was nearly impossible, as women feared for their lives if they tried to legally get away from their abusive husbands. Heck, they couldn't even vote until 1920. That's just 104 years ago!
Varnna
cytherians
What's with the "closed fist" obsession? Oh... so in this lunatic's mind you need a "closed fist" for it to be considered physical assault?
𝗡𝗘𝗪𝗦 𝗙𝗟𝗔𝗦𝗛 -- you don't need a closed fist to kill someone.
Whipping someone with an electrical cord is assault. Slapping someone hard across the face with an open hand is assault. BOTH are chargeable offenses. "Bible is silent" is a freaking copout. We have LAWS in this nation.
Aelonwy
Yes we do have laws in this nation and Project 2025 is mostly about dismantling them.
SteveMND
Ah yes, "consensual discipline."
cytherians
Good Lord...
Whatever happened to equal partnership? If this woman is so unable to control herself that she needs a domineering husband to keep her in line, with fear of physical reprisal if she disobeys... someone is in dire need of therapy.
secondgoaround
Barf. That’s some bullshit right there. “Women need to be trained to be a good, Christian wife…” GTFOOH with that. As a good wife (ask my husband, I trained him well) and an agnostic myself, this lady’s comments take women like her back to the dark ages.
TheOneTrueZippy8
If you think I am typing "consensual discipline" into a search engine then you have another think coming.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Searching up BDSM content is actually far safer than searching up preacher misconduct.
bippityboppitybuttsex
If the Bible is your source of morality, you are a bad person.
keillrandor
Especially the OT
Zalm
My favorite quote comes from a one Penn Jillette
The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from r9ping all I want? And my answer is: I do r9pe all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, r9ping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Why did you write rninepe instead of rape?
RARusk
Probably to get around the mods.
smashole
Who the fuck needs a book telling you not to hit other people or rape and kill them?
cytherians
The ultra religious right believes that morality only comes from God and that it doesn't exist in human beings. Thus, you have to be religious in order to be civil. And therefore, since "God speaks to us through his word," only the Bible can be trusted to keep humanity well behaved. [/false]
The Bible is a collection of writings from over 2,000 years ago. It couldn't predict complex large societies. Btw, Republicans behave nothing like Jesus. They're totally disingenuous and raging hypocrites.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Religious people... and, TBH, they were going to hit/rape and kill people anyway, the Bible just gives them license.
BofusTeefus
Religious figures all sound the same.
smegheadenergy
Like the dentist who says your shirt was untucked before he gassed you?
ROGUEdenied
I went for dentist they did awful things, He hit my and cursed me under sedation I woke up and my pants were unbuttoned, My teeth dripping blood, I can't even chew gum, or blow bubbles when I drive cab. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ1F6EjQXeY
earthtokelly127001
Religion is whatever they claim it to be.
Pay your fucking taxes.
thisiskissel
Religion is just money-making con and these people will do and say whatever it takes to keep their pockets full.
valkrez
Christians hate women
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
At least it wasn't jumper cables.
YesButMaybe
WTF?! "the bible is largely silent on [beating your wife]". Domestic violence should never be considered "spousal discipline". yikes. I expect more of Christians to be & do better.
Ratsarse
'orrible c0nt
Noahbalboa82
And they ask how atheists have a moral compass if they don't believe in God. I hit my wife as much as I like.... Never
mustbethedragon
Treat others the way you want to be treated covers a lot of territory that shouldn't have to be spelled out.
pr3viso
"Love and cherish" includes battery now?
RarestXenonAlso
CONSENSUAL BEATINGS? WTF is this a new branch of UFC/MMA or boxing or what???? Cause that's the only form of "consensual beating" that I know about -.-
Hexrowe
For being authored by an all-knowing GOD, the Bible is remarkably silent on a whole lot of things it really shouldn't be silent on, and remarkably wrong on a whole lot of things it would have done better to stay silent on.
cytherians
You know what's rich? The Bible condones abortions. There are multiple passages about it. And yet, we have a lunatic fringe far-right conservative group who thinks abortion should be completely banned. They cherry-pick what they want from the Bible, and even pervert/distort scriptures to suit their aims. It's sickening.
VoidScreamer
It not only condones, it tells you how to perform one.
bippityboppitybuttsex
I don't think anyone claims the Bible was authored by god... we know who wrote the Bible, most of the time, they signed their name (Epistles, Revelation, Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Chronicles, Job, Isiah... the list goes on... )
The currently claimed is that they were 'inspired by god' which is no different than claiming they were inspired by a really pretty tree.
androgenoide
I don't think that the Gospels even claim to be written by the apostle of the same name. Some of the Epistles maybe...
bippityboppitybuttsex
Well, considering most were written by someone else, decades or centuries after the fact, my point was about claimed authorship... no rational person thinks god wrote any of it.
That being said, there are some nice sentiments in there (Matthew 25:42-46, the Beatittudes)... but that isn't what Christianity is anymore (if ever).
Photeus
But the gospels were anonymous. It's only church tradition that they are attributed to those 4 people. Anyway, don't mind me, your point overall stands.
bippityboppitybuttsex
A big reminder that Church members voted, like raised hands and decided, at the First Council of Nicea whether the story of Jesus was historical or apocryphal; whether Jesus was god, or a prophet... because of that vote, that is what Christianity is...
Another reminder that the Bible is a curated document... some books got in, others didn't and the reasoning was entirely arbitrary.
HsuDoNihm
It's not silent on this issue. "Love thy neighbor" includes everyone who isn't you. Simple enough, even churchgoers can understand it.
Photeus
Well before Jesus says to love others as yourself, he first says to love God with all heart/ soul/ mind etc. If God comes first and tells you to kill or at least harm someone else (for the greater good) someone might reason that's totally fine, right? The Bible is not as clear as you say it is or people pretend it is. A person could be 'Christian' and still encourage evil things with biblical backup to support it, because it's that unclear and convoluted.
Hexrowe
Even Jesus personally makes a bunch of _exceptions_ to that rule, though, e.g. slaves, vendors and money exchangers in "his" temple (a communal public space), unbelievers (who didn't buy his con) etc. It's clearly fine to torture or destroy body-and-soul _some_ people, because Jesus either condones or actually does it himself, he just never bothered to explicitly explain who it's alright to be lovingly violent towards (aside from unbelief, _that_ he's quite explicit about on several occasions).
Hexrowe
PS. And of course that's without opening the can of worms that is all the divinely mandated violence in the Old Testament and Jesus claiming he did not come to change the divine law but to "fulfill" it, and that not one iota of it could be changed by any means until the end of the world... and of course, if you chuck out the Old Testament then there go also both versions of the Ten Commandments, original sin, and all that.
HsuDoNihm
The book is inconsistent and generally garbage. My point is that even a Republican can make something useful out of it with the tiniest effort. The most violent example Jesus offers is forcibly driving out extortion from the temple where his "neighbors" were religiously required to purchase services at extortionate prices. If churchies and Republicans cared to, they could live a decent life from that example. They could... and the fact that they don't isn't the book's fault, it's just a book.