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Cactus21
Clearly it’s a rigged election. It’s one they can do over until they get the result they want - and they still can’t win.
cre8majic
Have they put the metal detectors back up for the entrance to the House?
Iamjackslackofselfworth
This is just embarrassing. I'm a liberal, and seeing republicans fail is good wholesome fun, but...GEEZE this country is a $hitthole
Dolenmorgul
records are made to be broken
diselage
NoNameFred
Wait, is that rule still on the books, or was it a "one time only" deal? It would be a *great* way for things to end.
Simpsons[MostThingy]SoFar.jpeg
Hemelsblauw
He reminds me of Tyrion Lannister.
ramblercomet5772
"Challenge accepted." - Kevin McCarthy
Mediathug
I’m curious to know how they governed finally after picking the speaker.
Ranb40
Sauce. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_United_States_Congress
hungoveratworkguy
We can only watch McCarthy lose so much
coreydeangibson6
No, I could watch MacArthy lose all day, I don't give a shit about your MacArthy
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Okay, okay, I know this is unheard of for you guys, but last Belgian federal parliament had almost 500 days between elections and oathtaking
Then again, we have a multiparty system that always rules in coalitions.
KAPTKipper
Hope they didn't get paid.
TheWeebleWobler
Sure, why not.
jessemillertech
It's about leverage, it's not a democratic vote, "what will you give me " politicians have an obligation to the people, and people would be
Able to stop this nonsense if they were all doing their jobs. What is best for this country is polarizing. It's not always simple yet,
At it's core should be one question, "What is best for them, not me." Civil servants are in their barest form , what can I do for YOU.
stoots24
You can do it ALL NIGHT LONG!!!
Rendova
Banks overflowed
grantbaines0
Wasn't that an early harbinger of civil war ...
GCRust
133 ballots that were not all for the same candidate who has clearly demonstrated he cannot secure a majority.
And no single party had a majority either, the issue was constantly shifting coalitions.
polepolekaz
Without a speaker, pure majority rules. Might actually be more effective, given the sick agenda of the extreme GOP.
PithyCommentBelow
The newly elected members can’t even be sworn in. Technically, they’re still rep elects.
NomDeImguerre
Nope. Without a Speaker, there is no House. All procedures require one, which is why they keep having votes, because they can't do anything.
WilliamHuskerAdama
Dont worry, they wouldn't be doing anything even if they could decide on a speaker.
iusedtodream
Performative as usual. Republicans are allergic to work. That's why all their solutions are lapdogging to big $$ and ludicrous proposals.
FallingStar7669
Matt Gaetz literally said "watch this" before voting for T****. This comes shortly after he said he didn't want to turn the vote for +
+ Speaker into "political theater".. like the Bengazi investigations. So yes. All of this is performative. Two steps back, one step forward.
Alfadorfox
Y'know, if the Republicans want to keep anything from getting done, having a Republican-majority House with a Democrat Speaker might do it.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
They won't get to investigate hunter Biden's penis that way.
The problem is they then won't get to waste taxpayer money on pointless investigations because Dems were mean to Trumpy-poo.
RubyPorto
The problem (for them) is that, as Speaker he can call votes for all the bills they don't want to have recorded votes against.
cheesedogs
I'm not sure they care about their voting records looking bad. Hasn't hurt their elections near as much as it should've so far
Kukiniloa
The bots heads would explode
Firsthope
If they were as moderate as they say, they could make deal to elect him and actually do something for their constituents.
laton
They seems to be accomplishing their goal this way
Edzard
Can someone explain this to me? I thought voting work like „the person with the most votes wins.“ why do they keep voting? (European here)
failsafe
It’s similar to our electoral college; first past the post wins, not the person with the most votes.
I've never been a friend of that system... okay thanks.
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
The speaker needs the majority of the votes to win the position. (218). So far nobody jas gotten 218 yet.
*has
Thank you!
Nunyajonesinc
Right before we all started shooting each other..........
userfriendly19777
USA was on the verge of a civilwar. It was a complete other situation..oh wait...
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
Not me, I wasn't even there
shyriath
Sounds like something someone who was there would say!
68mano
Kansas was already blood-soaked by then.
And them Jayhawks had it a coming! - Quantrell probably
ThatSonOfaBitch
Vote by plurality. Jefferies for the win.
nickamont
I'd love to see this, but odds are enough republicans would switch to McCarthy to avoid that happening
I say this because in that 34th congress, that's exactly what they did.
Remmon1
Was that rule change ever explicitly undone?
It was made for that session, essentially get your shit together in 3 votes or else.
Eniff
Uhh then why haven't they done that...
damogen
More likely Republicans will give some concessions to democrats in exchange for their support for a moderate GOP speaker.
kddk8s
WTF is a moderate GOP speaker these days? "Hitler was kind of bad?" "Don't lynch black people?"
There are 200 of them that are currently refusing to give the QAnon group what they want. That's why they can't elect a speaker.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
That's librul talk. Moderate GOP speaker would say to "Lynch only the black people. I mean 'bad people'."
secondtalon
Why should Democrats go for a moderate GOP Speaker? Why don't 6 Republicans work out a deal with Democrats? Why don't Rep. compromise first?
LizardEnterprises
Because there are more Republicans and that gives them a slightly stronger bargaining position.
Given how they've pissed in the faces of Democrats trying to compromise in the last 20+ years, - strong doubt.
The power of Dem's bargaining position will evaporate the second a Speaker is finally chosen. There is zero point in trying to compromise
Fascists don't compromise. They pretend to compromise and then immediately renege on their promises.
Because GOP has majority, eventually they will find a speaker. So Dem's can either just wait for them to get their shit together or use the
opportunity to get influence at a time where they shouldn't have any.
Dontdeprivemeofmydelusion
Trusting Republicans to keep a promise is plain stupid. Especially given their track record for breaking them.
That they've been incapable of doing it in 11 rounds of voting is not the Democrat's job to fix. Besides, R's haven't compromised in 20yrs
Why should, yet again, Democrats clean up the shit the Republicans took on the floor. Let them grab a mop first.
KlobberSaurus
11 is enough. Provide a viable candidate.
4vie
They have enough votes to establish a 10% average....
paragraph
I keep hearing good things about that Jeffries guy, he has consistent backing.
SometimesOthertimesAnytime
A part of me that wants it to keep going so their districts will suffer and see what a laughing-stock shit-show they put in office.
basiccricket8444
"it's no worse than that Jan 6 debacle" - repubs from work
Ikusame
Republican districts already do worse on just about every standard of living. Historical R districts are shit holes
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Voters only care about the (R).
HuskerCO
And that's literally why this is happening. Many of those 21 are from deep red districts, they don't need GQP support to win, they're safe.
When they say “single issue voter” they didn’t mean repeal Roe, they meant the letter after the name.
ragazzino
Jeffries only needs a few cross-overs in the spirit of bipartisanship.
redpandabanana
Or enough gop to vote present
funone77
Oh how I'd love it. Highly unlikely though.
CeeSilver
If McCarthy were smart he would just deal with 20 Democrats, but they won't because not a single R actually cares about governing
parabolic000
He'll instead trade away any ability to govern for the R votes, because Republican politics is purely grievance.
After cocking off about hitting Nancy in the face with the gavel ?
Despite this vote, the Democratic party is not a monolith. I'm sure there are some Democrats that agree with him entirely.
SarcasticComment
I wouldn't trust McCarthy to make a deal. It's like going into business with Donald Trump and being shocked you got fucked over
That's a fair point, but I do think he could find 20 Democrats to fool
daromander
Do you think there are 20 Dems who would cross the aisle to do that?
Yeah there are 20 conservative D's that could find a ton of common ground with a reasonable McCarthy if they got pork or power in exchange
Do you think all of the GOP that is currently voting for McCarthy would still vote for him with that deal in place?
Cactus21
Clearly it’s a rigged election. It’s one they can do over until they get the result they want - and they still can’t win.
cre8majic
Have they put the metal detectors back up for the entrance to the House?
Iamjackslackofselfworth
This is just embarrassing. I'm a liberal, and seeing republicans fail is good wholesome fun, but...GEEZE this country is a $hitthole
Dolenmorgul
records are made to be broken
diselage
NoNameFred
Wait, is that rule still on the books, or was it a "one time only" deal? It would be a *great* way for things to end.
NoNameFred
Simpsons[MostThingy]SoFar.jpeg
Hemelsblauw
He reminds me of Tyrion Lannister.
ramblercomet5772
"Challenge accepted." - Kevin McCarthy
Mediathug
I’m curious to know how they governed finally after picking the speaker.
Ranb40
Sauce. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_United_States_Congress
hungoveratworkguy
We can only watch McCarthy lose so much
coreydeangibson6
No, I could watch MacArthy lose all day, I don't give a shit about your MacArthy
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Okay, okay, I know this is unheard of for you guys, but last Belgian federal parliament had almost 500 days between elections and oathtaking
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Then again, we have a multiparty system that always rules in coalitions.
KAPTKipper
Hope they didn't get paid.
TheWeebleWobler
Sure, why not.
jessemillertech
It's about leverage, it's not a democratic vote, "what will you give me " politicians have an obligation to the people, and people would be
jessemillertech
Able to stop this nonsense if they were all doing their jobs. What is best for this country is polarizing. It's not always simple yet,
jessemillertech
At it's core should be one question, "What is best for them, not me." Civil servants are in their barest form , what can I do for YOU.
stoots24
You can do it ALL NIGHT LONG!!!
Rendova
Banks overflowed
grantbaines0
Wasn't that an early harbinger of civil war ...
GCRust
133 ballots that were not all for the same candidate who has clearly demonstrated he cannot secure a majority.
NoNameFred
And no single party had a majority either, the issue was constantly shifting coalitions.
polepolekaz
Without a speaker, pure majority rules. Might actually be more effective, given the sick agenda of the extreme GOP.
PithyCommentBelow
The newly elected members can’t even be sworn in. Technically, they’re still rep elects.
NomDeImguerre
Nope. Without a Speaker, there is no House. All procedures require one, which is why they keep having votes, because they can't do anything.
WilliamHuskerAdama
Dont worry, they wouldn't be doing anything even if they could decide on a speaker.
iusedtodream
Performative as usual. Republicans are allergic to work. That's why all their solutions are lapdogging to big $$ and ludicrous proposals.
FallingStar7669
Matt Gaetz literally said "watch this" before voting for T****. This comes shortly after he said he didn't want to turn the vote for +
FallingStar7669
+ Speaker into "political theater".. like the Bengazi investigations. So yes. All of this is performative. Two steps back, one step forward.
Alfadorfox
Y'know, if the Republicans want to keep anything from getting done, having a Republican-majority House with a Democrat Speaker might do it.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
They won't get to investigate hunter Biden's penis that way.
GCRust
The problem is they then won't get to waste taxpayer money on pointless investigations because Dems were mean to Trumpy-poo.
RubyPorto
The problem (for them) is that, as Speaker he can call votes for all the bills they don't want to have recorded votes against.
cheesedogs
I'm not sure they care about their voting records looking bad. Hasn't hurt their elections near as much as it should've so far
Kukiniloa
The bots heads would explode
Firsthope
If they were as moderate as they say, they could make deal to elect him and actually do something for their constituents.
laton
They seems to be accomplishing their goal this way
Edzard
Can someone explain this to me? I thought voting work like „the person with the most votes wins.“ why do they keep voting? (European here)
failsafe
It’s similar to our electoral college; first past the post wins, not the person with the most votes.
Edzard
I've never been a friend of that system... okay thanks.
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
The speaker needs the majority of the votes to win the position. (218). So far nobody jas gotten 218 yet.
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
*has
Edzard
Thank you!
Nunyajonesinc
Right before we all started shooting each other..........
userfriendly19777
USA was on the verge of a civilwar. It was a complete other situation..oh wait...
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
Not me, I wasn't even there
shyriath
Sounds like something someone who was there would say!
68mano
Kansas was already blood-soaked by then.
Nunyajonesinc
And them Jayhawks had it a coming! - Quantrell probably
ThatSonOfaBitch
Vote by plurality. Jefferies for the win.
nickamont
I'd love to see this, but odds are enough republicans would switch to McCarthy to avoid that happening
ThatSonOfaBitch
I say this because in that 34th congress, that's exactly what they did.
diselage
Remmon1
Was that rule change ever explicitly undone?
diselage
It was made for that session, essentially get your shit together in 3 votes or else.
Eniff
Uhh then why haven't they done that...
damogen
More likely Republicans will give some concessions to democrats in exchange for their support for a moderate GOP speaker.
kddk8s
WTF is a moderate GOP speaker these days? "Hitler was kind of bad?" "Don't lynch black people?"
damogen
There are 200 of them that are currently refusing to give the QAnon group what they want. That's why they can't elect a speaker.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
That's librul talk. Moderate GOP speaker would say to "Lynch only the black people. I mean 'bad people'."
secondtalon
Why should Democrats go for a moderate GOP Speaker? Why don't 6 Republicans work out a deal with Democrats? Why don't Rep. compromise first?
LizardEnterprises
Because there are more Republicans and that gives them a slightly stronger bargaining position.
secondtalon
Given how they've pissed in the faces of Democrats trying to compromise in the last 20+ years, - strong doubt.
secondtalon
The power of Dem's bargaining position will evaporate the second a Speaker is finally chosen. There is zero point in trying to compromise
Remmon1
Fascists don't compromise. They pretend to compromise and then immediately renege on their promises.
damogen
Because GOP has majority, eventually they will find a speaker. So Dem's can either just wait for them to get their shit together or use the
damogen
opportunity to get influence at a time where they shouldn't have any.
Dontdeprivemeofmydelusion
Trusting Republicans to keep a promise is plain stupid. Especially given their track record for breaking them.
secondtalon
That they've been incapable of doing it in 11 rounds of voting is not the Democrat's job to fix. Besides, R's haven't compromised in 20yrs
secondtalon
Why should, yet again, Democrats clean up the shit the Republicans took on the floor. Let them grab a mop first.
KlobberSaurus
11 is enough. Provide a viable candidate.
4vie
They have enough votes to establish a 10% average....
paragraph
I keep hearing good things about that Jeffries guy, he has consistent backing.
SometimesOthertimesAnytime
A part of me that wants it to keep going so their districts will suffer and see what a laughing-stock shit-show they put in office.
basiccricket8444
"it's no worse than that Jan 6 debacle" - repubs from work
Ikusame
Republican districts already do worse on just about every standard of living. Historical R districts are shit holes
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Voters only care about the (R).
HuskerCO
And that's literally why this is happening. Many of those 21 are from deep red districts, they don't need GQP support to win, they're safe.
paragraph
When they say “single issue voter” they didn’t mean repeal Roe, they meant the letter after the name.
ragazzino
Jeffries only needs a few cross-overs in the spirit of bipartisanship.
redpandabanana
Or enough gop to vote present
funone77
Oh how I'd love it. Highly unlikely though.
CeeSilver
If McCarthy were smart he would just deal with 20 Democrats, but they won't because not a single R actually cares about governing
parabolic000
He'll instead trade away any ability to govern for the R votes, because Republican politics is purely grievance.
funone77
After cocking off about hitting Nancy in the face with the gavel ?
CeeSilver
Despite this vote, the Democratic party is not a monolith. I'm sure there are some Democrats that agree with him entirely.
SarcasticComment
I wouldn't trust McCarthy to make a deal. It's like going into business with Donald Trump and being shocked you got fucked over
CeeSilver
That's a fair point, but I do think he could find 20 Democrats to fool
daromander
Do you think there are 20 Dems who would cross the aisle to do that?
CeeSilver
Yeah there are 20 conservative D's that could find a ton of common ground with a reasonable McCarthy if they got pork or power in exchange
daromander
Do you think all of the GOP that is currently voting for McCarthy would still vote for him with that deal in place?