if you think Eartha Kitt would have supported catholic anti-abortion agitprop, i don't think you have been paying attention. go listen to her interview where she talks gleefully about making Ladybird Johnson cry with unadulterated leftism in the face of an official white house dinner visit. a queen, but not for the reasons this post is pretending lol
Apparently the animators drew Yzma as an Eartha Kitt caricature and didn't expect to land the woman herself. They fessed up, said sorry, and she was like, "don't be sorry, it's hilarious."
I'll turn him into a flea. Then I'll put that flea in a box, and I'll put that box in another box. And I'll mail that box to myself. And when it arrives?! AH-HA'I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH! Easily one of the best villain lines I've heard in any animated show/movie, ever. She absolutely nailed that performance
You should look up the cut song Snuff out the Light. Sung by Ertha Kitt. It's glorious and too bad the original concept for the movie was removed to make it a comedy.
According to medium.com, she sang in 10 different languages. She was blacklisted by the Johnson administration for speaking against the Vietnam War in 1968, but luckily she was able to work abroad. She came back to the USA in 1974 and resumed her American career.
She gave her opinion whilst at the Whitehouse sitting next to the 1st Lady. The President probably felt more than a little embarrassed. Eartha was phenomenal:-)
I wonder what the qualification is to be able to "sing in a language." I sang in latin at church, learned a couple Spanish songs in elementary music class, know some anime OPs, does that mean I can sing in 4 languages?
Okay, you can sing in *just about* any language. Doesn’t defeat the purpose at all. I just need to be specific and probably state white people languages, but that’s not even accurate bc singing in dialects is frowned upon anyways, so you’re trying to get pure sounds from the language, right? Well, that means there’s an inherently classist application of the IPA and there I did the work for you in explaining what purpose it actually defeats.
Yooooo! I was hoping someone shouted some love for this role! My aunt worked on that movie and said Ms. Kitt was one of the most incredible people she had ever met in her life. My aunt worked as a gaffer on 3 different Ernest movies. She also said Jim Varney was one of the most kind and genuine people she had ever worked with in the industry.
yeah, as the song was for "The Kingdom of the Sun" which had a WILDLY different plot (it was a more traditional Prince and the Pauper plot with Yzma trying to destroy the sun in the Disney Renaissance style) - sadly Snuff Out the Light would not fit in ENG.
I think it's better understood as part of establishing the difficult conditions at the beginning of her life that she had to overcome. It is relevant to the realities of African American women at the time of her birth, a very sad reality.
Or you could read each line as simply stating a fact about the person, why does everything have to have some hidden message that must offend? Can't it possibly just be a genuine?
Oxford defines propaganda as 'information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.' Given Eartha Kitts story is often used by pro-life advocates as a reason to not abort rape created life, and the first defining term is her method of conception, and the link watermark is to a Christian Facebook page, we can say with high certainty that this is image was used as propaganda to promote the pro-life view point.
Minus the condescension with adding the definition of "propaganda" that was a very well executed response. I hadn't initially noticed the watermark so totally see the point of veiw. Don't be so quick to turn a debate into something personal, its the difference between making a good point and being an asshat, just a recommendation though.
This is John His mom smoked and drank every day she was pregnant He was born in a taxi He went to Harvard He became a Doctor He cured cancer
What is the message you get from that..? So the post message comes off if you are raped and get pregnant, you should have the baby. It's all about context, if it had even said, "After overcoming being a child that was conceived by rape, it would be a completely different narrative.
See I had a totally different take on that in that she grew up struggling cause Dad was a rapist and not in the picture. I did not take the "rape isn't always bad," bullshit you mention but I see that now. I should specify the rape not being bad is the bullshit, not what you said.
That is a reasonable take but it is not at all what the original intention was; just because you don't hear a dog whistle doesn't mean it's not being blown.
I agree with this. I took that part of this post as, this woman overcame some significant shit, including being shunned by the black community because she was only half black, and she is a masterpiece of a human. She fucking rocks.
The context this was posted under(not by OP, but by the tag at the bottom) is basically "not everything about rape is bad". The church is saying that if you abort a baby that was conceived by rape, you're potentially murdering the next Eartha Kitt. The mental gymnastics necessary to be a Christian never cease to amaze me.
Devil's advocate here. They're not saying "not everything about rape is bad". Everything about rape is definitely bad. But if you see the fetus as a human that needs to be protected, where it came from doesn't matter. Probably a bad and overly lighthearted example: if I see a drug dealer drop a 20 dollar bill and walk away, I'm definitely going to keep that dollar. I don't care if it came from a drug deal.
If a woman decides she wants to keep the baby, that's her decision. But the people who wrote this are trying to say that abortion is bad because you MIGHT kill the next Eartha Kitt
Yeah maybe not the best argument for a group that says all babies have the same value. But to be fair, I think all people are of equal value but it sure it hard to think that when I'm on 495 near DC.
Mary was raped by god, that's how Jesus was made. The Bible says women are the property of their husbands. Christianity is not big on caring about consent.
I did not see it this way at all. I wonder if the connotations are informed by the current political climate in your country? To this Englishman it just sounded like "see what a terrible start in life she had" story.
I mean, it's from a Catholic source, so I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they were arguing. Even if it wasn't made for that argument, if you point out that interpretation, they'll agree with it.
Probably because how conception happened is no one's business but the mother. If you choose to keep the baby (assuming you have a choice), why would you ever tell your kid they were a product of rape? That's horrible.
While the site may have had an angle, it is also true to say that both statements about her birth are simple statements of fact, and NOT meant to validate either scenario in the general case. A more charitable interpretation would be that she overcame some very disadvantageous initial circumstances, in that she was almost certainly born into poverty and may have initially been unwanted. But I'm NOT going to say that "people should be pro-life because their kid could be the next Eartha Kitt";
literally anyone can be virtually anything later in life, regardless of birth circumstances, but the mother is also a person, and in too many cases to count, unwanted children can wreck lives. Arguing one cherry-picked success story as a case is poor debate skills indeed.
ridureyu
Those amazing eyes
Lassannn
cardam0m
MeestowKitty
And had sex in an airplane bathroom with Pierce Hawthorne.
CrimeSceneShoe
This is an antiabortion ad. See the source at the bottom.
thebigbaka
I thought this was tied to an announcement that she died today, so I had to look it up. she died in 2008 on Christmas Day.
DVSBSTrD
And she was still voicing Yzma in The Emperor's New School right up till the end.
evealgenius
Eartha Kitty
Maulbert
sgnight13
Her finest role
OhIfIMust
Is that my voice??
CleverIsSexy
Is that MY voice?!?
PackratMagpie
calamityjanine
if you think Eartha Kitt would have supported catholic anti-abortion agitprop, i don't think you have been paying attention. go listen to her interview where she talks gleefully about making Ladybird Johnson cry with unadulterated leftism in the face of an official white house dinner visit. a queen, but not for the reasons this post is pretending lol
chewybrian
Comet260
She's like a teacher dealing with THAT student.
Asadsadsadclown
NobodyCanEnjoyNiceThings
Thank YOU.
Cranbananarama
[Menacing breathing intensifies]
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahah
Is that not madam zaroni from holes
DukeDarkwood
Clearly, it's Old Lady Hackmore from Ernest Scared Stupid.
TheGiantIdiotTeddyBear
My favorite Catwoman
DildoMussolini
Also got railed in a menage a trois with Paul Newman and James Dean.
wfx5mwdf8z9
She had wayyy better songs than santa baby….
lueven118
And became Cockney rhyming slang for having a shit. "I’m going for an eartha kitt"
softballguy
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Downvoted for pro-life website at the bottom, don't spread that shit.
moxythree
Best Catwoman ever.
StupidCanadianWolfBird
ps238principal
One of the best Catwoman portrayals and really nailed her performance as Yzma in the Emperor's New Groove.
Nognom
Wait. That’s yzma!? I mean great on all the rest but emperors new groove is a fav.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Same, had no idea until today. Even googled it to verify
irrationalcompromise365
And special love for her role as the weird lady in Ernest Scared Stupid.
parabolic000
Apparently the animators drew Yzma as an Eartha Kitt caricature and didn't expect to land the woman herself. They fessed up, said sorry, and she was like, "don't be sorry, it's hilarious."
KingXizor
BoobJiggle
I'll turn him into a flea. Then I'll put that flea in a box, and I'll put that box in another box. And I'll mail that box to myself.
And when it arrives?! AH-HA'I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH!
Easily one of the best villain lines I've heard in any animated show/movie, ever. She absolutely nailed that performance
nicknacksnackpack
PandAnomoly
That loop tho
PriestofThor
Put your hands up
killerkadoogan
Bro her portrayal of an elderly woman who saw trolls as a child starring the one and only Ernest P Worrell is one of the best.
VraedenHughes
It was where I saw her first, and I absolutely remembered her character because of how amazing she was in her role.
killerkadoogan
Her voice to, iconic
MrOatcake
Pull the lever Kronk! Thanks, I did not know that and love Yzma.
nspriest233
You should look up the cut song Snuff out the Light. Sung by Ertha Kitt. It's glorious and too bad the original concept for the movie was removed to make it a comedy.
Omnomnomicon
That's on my girlfriend's travel playlist and it's fantatstic.
albinoALPACA
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Tyggna
I just wish that no-good pig stealing great-great grandfather had carried Madam Zeroni up the mountain and sang to her
Helpfullifetips
This is a rather insidious anti-choice campaign that started occurring after Eartha Kitt's death so she wouldn't be able to object to it.
SupernaturalReactions
WhAt If YoU aBoRtEd EiNsTeIn?¿

What if we'd aborted Hitler?
Such a stupid argument....
andy1max
According to medium.com, she sang in 10 different languages. She was blacklisted by the Johnson administration for speaking against the Vietnam War in 1968, but luckily she was able to work abroad. She came back to the USA in 1974 and resumed her American career.
muzzmuzzle
So that's why she appears in all those 70s British movies??
Dartfordian1
Blacklisted by the government for having an opinion? Did the 1st Amendment come with small print I'm not aware of?
grimbor
She gave her opinion whilst at the Whitehouse sitting next to the 1st Lady. The President probably felt more than a little embarrassed. Eartha was phenomenal:-)
CharlesOffdensen
whyforetho
I wonder what the qualification is to be able to "sing in a language." I sang in latin at church, learned a couple Spanish songs in elementary music class, know some anime OPs, does that mean I can sing in 4 languages?
ghostofdragon
I mean, if you learn the international phonetic alphabet you can sing in any language easily
ImFunAtFunerals
IIRC the IPA doesn't contains all sounds and isn't absolute. Kinda defeat the purpose
ghostofdragon
Okay, you can sing in *just about* any language. Doesn’t defeat the purpose at all. I just need to be specific and probably state white people languages, but that’s not even accurate bc singing in dialects is frowned upon anyways, so you’re trying to get pure sounds from the language, right? Well, that means there’s an inherently classist application of the IPA and there I did the work for you in explaining what purpose it actually defeats.
ImFunAtFunerals
Technically, yes.
tiptoeingthru
Jaqdakloun
She was marrrrrrrrrvelous !
landbaronness42
Wasn’t she in Boomerang where Eddy Murphy sleeps with her to get a promotion and then finds out she’s just a figurehead.
Jaqdakloun
I've never seen that movie, but she did play one of Krusty the Clown's ex-wives.
TexMexHex
Ernest Scared Stupid. My personal favorite role.
RoscoeDeBoscoe
Always my first thought when I think of her, loved her in it. Second fave is Erik the Viking. She's only in a little bit but she's awesome.
hordesofgourds
Yooooo! I was hoping someone shouted some love for this role! My aunt worked on that movie and said Ms. Kitt was one of the most incredible people she had ever met in her life. My aunt worked as a gaffer on 3 different Ernest movies. She also said Jim Varney was one of the most kind and genuine people she had ever worked with in the industry.
TexMexHex
I am genuinely envious about working with Mr. Varney. Awesome story y0
TexMexHex
Fucking. Awesome. One of my favorite Halloween every year movies.
andy1max
She was a real woman, and a great actress.
Zootsoot
She’s one of my heroes.
MrSpookywasagoodboy2
No she was a catwoman
Avenkal19
She tried to save us from that idiot Worrell. He's the one that released that damn troll.
zackingsman
BluePeaSoup
She was a guest on a morning show I worked on once… so I met her very briefly. I was super star struck.
Potts
As you should be!
DocFaust13
What does “real woman” mean?
NoLifeSuicide
Straight
slinkiisu
Hey buddy, get your nose out of other people's business
kyle5772
A being of the material plane as opposed to spectral or infernal women who have their own rule sets
reichstein
That she was a tangible physical biological female human. As opposed to being virtual, imaginary, or synthetic.
If asked to "verify that you are a human" she would pass.
didgeboy287
All the bells and whistles, the tape deck, the automatic seat belts, the side impact airbags, the whole 9, yes sir, a real beaut that one
dakonsept
Pierce once did her in the bathroom of an airplane. Came up organically.
AeroEngineer
Always seems to
DrLOAC
turdswindler9000
You know who got it in the long run? 😉
fractalsphere
Yes this is lovely and she's a very talented person - but this is not an argument against pregnancy choices that women make.
UlrichMorgan
Was also Yzma and had a song that absolutely slapped that they cut from the damned movie!
rshini
yeah, as the song was for "The Kingdom of the Sun" which had a WILDLY different plot (it was a more traditional Prince and the Pauper plot with Yzma trying to destroy the sun in the Disney Renaissance style) - sadly Snuff Out the Light would not fit in ENG.
eadanke
Oh, that is pretty awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbIoa4zA9Vg
Totallyscrewedinaustin
That is pretty awesome and gives her more depth, for sure
Mack1986
Earth Kitt notable sex icon and cat woman actress... also played a swamp witch in an Ernest movie
Moriarte
Honestly, my favorite roll of hers until Yzma
memes4youungratefulbastards
The best Ernest movie
HashMaster9k
Eridianne
She had sex with a guy in an airplane bathroom once
everynightisladiesnight
That guy sucks harder than an airplane bathroom
MithridateEupator
It came up organically.
GhostOfPierceHawthorne
No comment!
HashMaster9k
Beyondawesomer
Streets ahead
TeddyMoment
The felt puppet version of Pierce, while on hallucinogenic berries, confessed it never happened.
MithridateEupator
The puppet trip may have been itself a hallucination, since that was the year of the gas leak.
ThisGuyPostingThings
That's streets behind.
RhymingEverything
True, they just dry humped on her tour bus
AsAHistorian
Honestly still pretty good.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Well, some people say season four also never happened, so I'm not sure who to believe.
Potatomanbynight
It's funny, because this is prolife propaganda. That chick was/is indeed a badass though
Aaron42J
I think it's better understood as part of establishing the difficult conditions at the beginning of her life that she had to overcome. It is relevant to the realities of African American women at the time of her birth, a very sad reality.
CrimeSceneShoe
Not what the group that made it was going for
victell
Ok that took me a minute cus I read profile propaganda
ArtisinalCheese
Ooooh! Me too xD
CrimeSceneShoe
*antabortion propaganda
Tisherumpkiseranikan
Thanks for calling this out. If they cared about "life" then they would be heavier invested in the problems that cause the need for abortions.
xstrifex667
Or you could read each line as simply stating a fact about the person, why does everything have to have some hidden message that must offend? Can't it possibly just be a genuine?
Potatomanbynight
It's just is what it is. They are facts, framed in a way for a purpose. No need to get upset about it.
xstrifex667
Not upset don't worry yourself, just curious as to how people are determining that they are "framed in a certain way"?
Potatomanbynight
Oxford defines propaganda as 'information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.'
Given Eartha Kitts story is often used by pro-life advocates as a reason to not abort rape created life, and the first defining term is her method of conception, and the link watermark is to a Christian Facebook page, we can say with high certainty that this is image was used as propaganda to promote the pro-life view point.
xstrifex667
Minus the condescension with adding the definition of "propaganda" that was a very well executed response. I hadn't initially noticed the watermark so totally see the point of veiw. Don't be so quick to turn a debate into something personal, its the difference between making a good point and being an asshat, just a recommendation though.
McJersey
Not when the first line is conceived by rape and the rest are positive things! It's called context...
xstrifex667
So your saying that the authors have strategically ordered them? Could it not be that the rape fact is most likely to catch readers attention?
McJersey
Yes strategy, not to catch readers for example:
This is John
His mom smoked and drank every day she was pregnant
He was born in a taxi
He went to Harvard
He became a Doctor
He cured cancer
What is the message you get from that..?
So the post message comes off if you are raped and get pregnant, you should have the baby. It's all about context, if it had even said, "After overcoming being a child that was conceived by rape, it would be a completely different narrative.
slinkiisu
Okay, not to derail this hypothetical, but look at who the fucking watermark on the image is, then go find the original image and read what's under it
McJersey
Exactly! The hypothetical was to basically spell it out...
xstrifex667
I hadn't noticed the watermark initially, my bad
andy1max
What do you mean by "prolife propaganda?"
AdHominemIsTheBestHominem
titoitoi
Finally someone noticed!
SaintSleepyWeasel
See I had a totally different take on that in that she grew up struggling cause Dad was a rapist and not in the picture. I did not take the "rape isn't always bad," bullshit you mention but I see that now. I should specify the rape not being bad is the bullshit, not what you said.
tzahtman
That is a reasonable take but it is not at all what the original intention was; just because you don't hear a dog whistle doesn't mean it's not being blown.
Aur0raG0ryA1ice
I agree with this. I took that part of this post as, this woman overcame some significant shit, including being shunned by the black community because she was only half black, and she is a masterpiece of a human. She fucking rocks.
HamSlamwich
The context this was posted under(not by OP, but by the tag at the bottom) is basically "not everything about rape is bad". The church is saying that if you abort a baby that was conceived by rape, you're potentially murdering the next Eartha Kitt. The mental gymnastics necessary to be a Christian never cease to amaze me.
astrangehop
VinchVolt
I'm not sure what's funnier, the caption or the fact that the Tumblr comments don't notice that it's from Clickhole.
lorilith
fuck, now i want this antiterrorist popcorn
HamSlamwich
It was probably some sort of kettlecorn. That rainbow stuff is so good when it's warm.
Porcus8
Devil's advocate here. They're not saying "not everything about rape is bad". Everything about rape is definitely bad. But if you see the fetus as a human that needs to be protected, where it came from doesn't matter. Probably a bad and overly lighthearted example: if I see a drug dealer drop a 20 dollar bill and walk away, I'm definitely going to keep that dollar. I don't care if it came from a drug deal.
slinkiisu
If a woman decides she wants to keep the baby, that's her decision. But the people who wrote this are trying to say that abortion is bad because you MIGHT kill the next Eartha Kitt
Porcus8
Yeah maybe not the best argument for a group that says all babies have the same value. But to be fair, I think all people are of equal value but it sure it hard to think that when I'm on 495 near DC.
Gaelwyn
Mary was raped by god, that's how Jesus was made. The Bible says women are the property of their husbands. Christianity is not big on caring about consent.
Porcus8
Umm... wut? In the story, didn't God ask for permission?
AscendedTroll
"conceived by rape"- can be perceived as arguing "aborting rape babies is bad"
Theory89
I did not see it this way at all. I wonder if the connotations are informed by the current political climate in your country? To this Englishman it just sounded like "see what a terrible start in life she had" story.
WoeToHice
I mean, it's from a Catholic source, so I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they were arguing. Even if it wasn't made for that argument, if you point out that interpretation, they'll agree with it.
HamSlamwich
Also I didn't see your comment before I posted mine, which is basically the same, but mine is less concise.
HamSlamwich
And "born on a cotton plantation" can definitely be perceived as "some good things came out of slavery too"
JimFromMarketing
You're right, but when I saw conceived by rape my eyebrows did raise because it is a credential you don't see much anymore that's for sure
Gaelwyn
Probably because how conception happened is no one's business but the mother. If you choose to keep the baby (assuming you have a choice), why would you ever tell your kid they were a product of rape? That's horrible.
DukeDarkwood
While the site may have had an angle, it is also true to say that both statements about her birth are simple statements of fact, and NOT meant to validate either scenario in the general case. A more charitable interpretation would be that she overcame some very disadvantageous initial circumstances, in that she was almost certainly born into poverty and may have initially been unwanted. But I'm NOT going to say that "people should be pro-life because their kid could be the next Eartha Kitt";
DukeDarkwood
literally anyone can be virtually anything later in life, regardless of birth circumstances, but the mother is also a person, and in too many cases to count, unwanted children can wreck lives. Arguing one cherry-picked success story as a case is poor debate skills indeed.