Just in case anyone wants to know what rampant capitalism with little-to-no regulation devolves into. The drivers are paid to hurry faster and faster, with consequences for not going fast enough. No enforcement on the policy or the road. This is free market.
i lived in SE asia for 15 years, communist china, vietnam were the same. taiwan, phillipines same but they were dictatorships mostly. a great catholic priest in high school taught us about all the governing systems (soc, com, dem, mark, stal...). today i realize there is no diff in them all. a few families own and control all the power/wealth.
this looks great, thanks. i watched 2 min, have to go out, will watch all later. what is did see the keys in military and banking especially r always family members. i lived in se asia 15 years and saw that first hand.
Thank you. I post this video a lot, because I think it's important for people to realize all leaders are only human. Plenty of the comments I read online seem to indicate that people expect rulers to have this magical, unbreakable moral backbone, but that simply cannot be.
Could be argued that there are distinct differences between the systems and the problem lies in the distinction between claims and reality. I agree though that the end result makes the biggest difference (corruption and the concentration of power/wealth) though.
Met, I lived thee 30 years ago. It was the same. Slower, but poorer roads. Cows and camel carts. Every dual carriageway was randomly two 2⃣ way roads. Wild.
The basis of the dangerous incentives isn't dependent on the economic mechanism or who owns the means of production. For example, Norway, a free market capitalist country has a traffic fatality rate of 2.1/100,000, while the US with the same economic model but lacking effective regulations has 12.84, and the world's communist counties come in at LA: 17.9; CN: 17.4; CU: 8.9; VN: 30.6; KP: 24.2; & the subject of the misguided economic critique, IN: 12.6.
They say they are but I'm sure you know better and can explain to them why they're not and what they're doing wrong. I'm sure they'll be very grateful for your insight.
Income is the primary driver, the more affluent, the safer roads are. Vehicle state of repair matters too, likely correlated. Just about everything works well when there's money and not so much without.
I read that report. It also seems the first variable is human. Human training: Enforcement of training (to drive safely) enforcement of infractions, and situational training (not just driving, but emergency response training--snow, crashes, wet, foggy, traffic, ect.). This accounted for 70% of accidents. Want a good driving nation? Train your citizens, enforce the law, and enforce the 2nd level training. It seems what we see in India therefore is a lack of training and enforcement of the law.
Yah, i agree and my personal sense is that culture plays a huge roll. I live in the US in East Oakland, the OG of sideshows, hyphy driving, and ghost riding the whip: vehicular manslaughter is a weekly thing, And in Iraq where inshallah driving is the rule: I watched live CCTV a guy in a Maserati doing 200kph clip a guy on a chinese trike doing 20, also a regular occurrence. But the paper tries to correlate quantifiables and the ur correlate is income.
i've lived in se asia 15 years. all the countries except japan and hk were like this. it used to be just like you see in this video except on TWO WAY one lane in each direction. come on those u been there/saw it back me up. it's still like that today in several countries. i saw so many collisions! only direct imports from EU/US had safety glass on vehicles. Nissan locally had no safety glass to save money.
You know, the sub continent may have fascinating history, rich culture, and delicious food. But thanks to video like this one as well as several news articles about, I have absolutely no desire to visit.
Top Gear guys said they couldn't figure out the road laws there. Other than the bigger vehicle, it seems to have the right of way. I believe they also said it was the scariest place they had ever driven.
My wife is Indian and I've been there a couple times. I agree with you. I've seen this nonsense first hand, couple that with the constant noise and the cultural difference around personal space, no thanks.
When there we had one bus filled to the rim with equipment and one with us. The equipment one took the lead on 4 hours of dirt road right in front of us, no air conditioning or filters, windows wide open. No matter how much I complained the driver wouldn't pass or put space between the other bus' dust cloud. I coughed my lungs to blood in fetal position it was beyond horrible.
Have a friend who visited a while back, said she got lost and decided to take a shortcut through an alley, ended up stepping over a dozen or so dead and dying in the alley.
Especially women. I don't recommend them to visit there, and definitely don't go backpacking alone. "The mutilated body of the 31-year-old trainee doctor was found on August 9 in a meeting room of the RG Kar Medical College and Hospital where she practiced. According to the initial investigation, she was violently assaulted and raped when she isolated herself to rest after a 36-hour shift. The hospital, like many others, does not have an on-call room."
somethingnotyettaken
Well, I just had 4 panic attacks at once.
TheHuntedSnark
Try taking a cab in almost any country. They make up their own traffic rules and speed limits.
trinxter
Best PSA ever: don't even think about taking this trip.
Varnna
Okay. There ARE worse drivers than Texans.
profiepicisunrelated
Has…..has that bus been stolen? Have they kidnapped all the passengers?
Naramumu
Dangerous as fuck, but somehow I'm intrigued to try it.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
it'd be a ton of fun if you didn't die
q2grapple
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlM2w2ZzR6Z3RkMTNoZXJ6ZXBzc2p6OWYxNjdyanhlZDByd3h5OWtjeiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3X3JaTDVqY8RG/giphy.mp4
LenzKist74
Cadaver Bus Tours.
SecondSince
Boy i wonder why India has so many traffic fatalities... It's a real mystery!
nachosyndicate
Nope.
Sebastopol140
I scream, you scream, we all scream!!!
ButteryBiscuitBass
fuck that
GoodGuyGonzo
youreathing
"FUCK YOU BLOODY!"
SpaceHaggis
Nekola
I wonder how high their accident rate is compared to other countries.
SwissScars
Learned to drive a coach by riding a motorbike.
SirRuppOfFigs
Speed 3: Would you like a Slurpee with that?
bad1080
mumbai drift
iDrawStuff
... left side, right side, suicide ...
Faasel524
"and if you look to your left, you will see screaming passengers"
HiramMcDanielsTheLiteral5HeadedDragon
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlZnNwdXg2MjYybm9haTF3cXkwMXM3dHplOXl1ejRlZngxcHU0MWxoZSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/bC9czlgCMtw4cj8RgH/giphy.mp4
GIMike1972
"Slingshot.....engaged!!" https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1d214MTRxYzhuaHRjajV4dG9oNW13dTUxZXp4eWhyeGUzZnViOGt3YSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ZoZJtCqkW9fVh7hlBD/200w.webp
LuciusNeedful
Regard for human life? Nah, we have enough of those.
OptimusPom
Sounds like the #AllLivesMatter crowd.
derekjohn
If you're hindu you believe in reincarnation, if you die quickly, you'll return quickly and you might get better luck next time.
Ionico
Just in case anyone wants to know what rampant capitalism with little-to-no regulation devolves into. The drivers are paid to hurry faster and faster, with consequences for not going fast enough. No enforcement on the policy or the road. This is free market.
RemoRules
Definitely!! Saw the same dynamic in Panama. Buses switch destinations based on riders, and race to the next city to get the customers first.
yoyopopo
https://imgur.com/qYLUjeG
Timesarrows
i lived in SE asia for 15 years, communist china, vietnam were the same. taiwan, phillipines same but they were dictatorships mostly. a great catholic priest in high school taught us about all the governing systems (soc, com, dem, mark, stal...). today i realize there is no diff in them all. a few families own and control all the power/wealth.
justasuggesture
The good news, in a way, is that even people in power have rules they must heed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=rStL7niR7gs
Timesarrows
this looks great, thanks. i watched 2 min, have to go out, will watch all later. what is did see the keys in military and banking especially r always family members. i lived in se asia 15 years and saw that first hand.
justasuggesture
Thank you. I post this video a lot, because I think it's important for people to realize all leaders are only human. Plenty of the comments I read online seem to indicate that people expect rulers to have this magical, unbreakable moral backbone, but that simply cannot be.
frozenlake247
Could be argued that there are distinct differences between the systems and the problem lies in the distinction between claims and reality. I agree though that the end result makes the biggest difference (corruption and the concentration of power/wealth) though.
Yoganmahew
Met, I lived thee 30 years ago. It was the same. Slower, but poorer roads. Cows and camel carts. Every dual carriageway was randomly two 2⃣ way roads. Wild.
gesel
The basis of the dangerous incentives isn't dependent on the economic mechanism or who owns the means of production. For example, Norway, a free market capitalist country has a traffic fatality rate of 2.1/100,000, while the US with the same economic model but lacking effective regulations has 12.84, and the world's communist counties come in at LA: 17.9; CN: 17.4; CU: 8.9; VN: 30.6; KP: 24.2; & the subject of the misguided economic critique, IN: 12.6.
Qpnao
Those countries aren't communist any more
gesel
They say they are but I'm sure you know better and can explain to them why they're not and what they're doing wrong. I'm sure they'll be very grateful for your insight.
Ionico
Very well. WHY IS this happening?
gesel
Income is the primary driver, the more affluent, the safer roads are. Vehicle state of repair matters too, likely correlated. Just about everything works well when there's money and not so much without.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666691X24000046
Ionico
I read that report. It also seems the first variable is human. Human training: Enforcement of training (to drive safely) enforcement of infractions, and situational training (not just driving, but emergency response training--snow, crashes, wet, foggy, traffic, ect.). This accounted for 70% of accidents. Want a good driving nation? Train your citizens, enforce the law, and enforce the 2nd level training. It seems what we see in India therefore is a lack of training and enforcement of the law.
gesel
Yah, i agree and my personal sense is that culture plays a huge roll. I live in the US in East Oakland, the OG of sideshows, hyphy driving, and ghost riding the whip: vehicular manslaughter is a weekly thing, And in Iraq where inshallah driving is the rule: I watched live CCTV a guy in a Maserati doing 200kph clip a guy on a chinese trike doing 20, also a regular occurrence. But the paper tries to correlate quantifiables and the ur correlate is income.
FelonyRaptor
Well of course it is. Capitalism breeds innovation and innovation means fuck all the rules and regulations in capitalism.
Ionico
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1aHpnaG1samlhZzU2cXppOGw1dGZ3b2FjaTMzaGd5eGIzbDNhcXJmaSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/eruVMzXlb70oo/200w.webp
alexburgers
"And to make up for lost time, he employed a novel technique called 'speeding'"
FelonyRaptor
Also trying out something tentatively called "not caring about other people's lives" to accommodate growth in the bottom line.
baals
Is it just me or are people in india not scared to die or something? Just the bodily injury, Jesus that would hurt so bad to be in a crashing bus
SMarkt
thats no problem. you will be reincarnated as a cow and everybody gives you food and treats you nice.
Raileks
Huh... do you think people would pay to be passengers if bus racing was a thing?
arajad
Hell, in the US South they'd pay to be passengers in bus demolition derby.
Goodmerlinpeen
What the fuck is wrong with those drivers
BoobJiggle
The faster they go the more they are paid, and they are penalized for going slow.
kahooki
hohohoooo
FurtiveGlancer
This is sooo lame - and yet those dumb asses love it...
bad1080
that's some nice smog you got there
HappyMirror
Jeaa, I'm super disappointed when the Americans don't have at least one human motorcycle-pyramid in their parade!
VodkaReindeer
CodingMoose
Is it their military or a circus
JohnSatclaire
Yes.
SerialSeb
fishbicyclerepairman
The Brits shipped their lunatics and cranks to the colony, and the Indians picked the looniest and crankiest parts of that culture to emulate
WoeToHice
FurtiveGlancer
Looks like the Eid train rush in Bangladesh - lmgtfy
ImNotActuallyEvilAfterAll
Armored trains for the win
Icanhearwhatyouresayingandtheanswerisno
Filmed by the driver of the third coach
msfeatherbottom
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlbWVmd3AwaTQwbXE3ZmJwZ3A2aXk5N285cmFlNng5NzAwbnI2M3V5cyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/7J4Lvpz55rocVYccdH/giphy.mp4
Sebastopol140
...while texting
FelonyRaptor
...with the other two drivers.
Vungor
And eating
Timesarrows
i've lived in se asia 15 years. all the countries except japan and hk were like this. it used to be just like you see in this video except on TWO WAY one lane in each direction. come on those u been there/saw it back me up. it's still like that today in several countries. i saw so many collisions! only direct imports from EU/US had safety glass on vehicles. Nissan locally had no safety glass to save money.
Alistairetheblu
ryandob
This needs to be top comment
sevenfingerman
You know, the sub continent may have fascinating history, rich culture, and delicious food. But thanks to video like this one as well as several news articles about, I have absolutely no desire to visit.
CoffeeMakesMeTwitchy
A freak in the sheets, a freak in the streets
WoeToHice
Oh, come on, it's not that bad. You could always take a train!
thespaceghetto
Unfortunately I'm right there with you. Seems hella stressful
Kuiper
Few travel channels I've watched have said it's the worst place they've ever been to.
One dude's whole audience said he went to a shit area and told him to go to another. So he did, and said it was worse than the first place.
They told him a different place, and guess what happened?
After that he went to Bangladesh and fuckin loved it.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Top Gear guys said they couldn't figure out the road laws there. Other than the bigger vehicle, it seems to have the right of way. I believe they also said it was the scariest place they had ever driven.
TheFastpaws
I was just about to comment this as well.
CharlesMontgomeryBurns
My wife is Indian and I've been there a couple times. I agree with you. I've seen this nonsense first hand, couple that with the constant noise and the cultural difference around personal space, no thanks.
jesuisgur
When there we had one bus filled to the rim with equipment and one with us. The equipment one took the lead on 4 hours of dirt road right in front of us, no air conditioning or filters, windows wide open. No matter how much I complained the driver wouldn't pass or put space between the other bus' dust cloud. I coughed my lungs to blood in fetal position it was beyond horrible.
gunnexx
Friend of mine is dating an Indian chick and she told me to never go there, its fucking awful
IlluminaBlade
sevenfingerman
Well that’s terrible.
cepacolusmaximus
People who've visited India realize it stands for I'll Never Do It Again
CelestialSea
Have a friend who visited a while back, said she got lost and decided to take a shortcut through an alley, ended up stepping over a dozen or so dead and dying in the alley.
OutlawGerman
I do, but I feel like I've used a lot of my pre assigned luck in my adult life and I'm not sure how much I'll need to survive India 😅
Snezko
all that you're born with... meaning as an adult just enjoy your couch.
McBzz
Underrated self awareness
Poppypoppoppop
Especially women. I don't recommend them to visit there, and definitely don't go backpacking alone.
"The mutilated body of the 31-year-old trainee doctor was found on August 9 in a meeting room of the RG Kar Medical College and Hospital where she practiced. According to the initial investigation, she was violently assaulted and raped when she isolated herself to rest after a 36-hour shift. The hospital, like many others, does not have an on-call room."
ede77222
Sadly knowing India’s track record with convictions for rape, he probably only got probation or some other slap on the wrist for it.
aloharamada
Then there's this case from Pakistan where some village elders decided it was just to "revenge rape" a child rapist's underage sister. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40731035
ede77222
Wow, wtf 😔
aloharamada
Sorry, family council, not village elders. And the whole family had to witness it, too.
PinkEater
You should google about their water supplies in dense populations as well as sewage issues.
SandettieLightVesselAutomatic
On second thoughts, don't
LespritDeLescalier22
The water will give you the runs just like being on a bus in India will, apparently
sevenfingerman
The sewage, the rapes, the Hindu nationalism
implosion3
Ya, a lot of the rapes unfortunately
MapleSyrupMafia
Enough for Bloodywood to make a song about it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a65A626Ed20