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This guy has a god damn authority complex. I don't know how it is for everybody else, but being in the high school band is a pretty big deal. Students have rights. This is not oka
TairaMai
On the one hand band is a privilege, but on the other hand, if the girl is not violating a written dress code, what's the harm?
Papakeecha
You're in highschool... You don't have "rights" you're there to learn. College? Sure do whatever.
HousePest
Actually, according to the supreme court even, students do have rights. To freedom of speech and expression.
TheInternetHateMachine
I am pretty sure when it comes to teen daughters their moms can give an opinion without any bias whatsoever.
sheppo
Students have rights, sure, being in the band is not one of them. Claiming it is a right is called being entitled.
HannibalHoseth
So who's the other girl in the post? The two don't look alike
LiteraryLover
I'm surprised she was allowed to dye it at all (most dress codes forbid 'unnatural' colors) but if he gave the ok then don't randomly revoke
TheGrumpest
Depends where you're from.
spacesoulboi
damn shrek was mad that day
goochfloss
This post is a distraction and an embarrassment
captainclutch
"Lets make him famous" ... *blurs his name/school out*
ObiWanShalomi
To be fair, putting a pic on the net can be enough for people to figure out who it is. I mean, it's gone viral already.
Firevine
Pretty sure that the principal of a school can enforce a dress code on the students, even if he was an ass about it.
TASTEyoucanSee
This is stupid
DongStomper
FusRoDoodles
She asked for an received permission in his presence? What an odd situation. Did she ask her parents with him nearby, or did she ask faculty
historycat
1. He's a dick, but most principals are (I was a teacher). 2. Students don't have rights, but if she got permission he should stick to it.
HousePest
Tinker V Des Moines
Themurderguy
Actually they legally do. A president was set during the Vietnam war. Freedom of speech which also covers freedom of expression.
BreadyStinellis
*within a shit load of guidelines.
gorillaClutch
school dress/hair rules are nothing new they were the same way back when i went to school
TheGrumpest
She had permission, though. Says right there in the post.
gorillaClutch
don't act like it's discrimination when you break a rule even if it's dumb if you new about the rule for months or years
Adthay
did you read the post? I think the objection is in being given permission then having it arbitrarily revoked, plus the choice of words
gorillaClutch
i'm not denying the principle is being a huge dick, he is absolutely and talking that way to a little girl is disgusting/
gorillaClutch
but "it's my school i make the rules" has always been the policy, arbitrary BS is the rule not the exception
Adthay
there is a large difference between "This is against the rules." and "You are a disgrace to me."
Camelspotting
One is just being a huge dick for no reason.
strugglecuddles
Whether student have rights is questionable, but he should be ashamed. If he gave permission and then revoked it he is not a man of his word
sillyblackcat
Even if he didn't give ehr permission and she was a rule braker he has no right to insult her.
TinyRocktopus
Permission probably came from the band director. The principal technical has athority but is a ass hat for undermining delegated power
EndgameArchitecture
I think we should all probably reserve judgment until we hear both sides. It's childish to immediately believe something on social media.
SloppyJimbo
It's a right so long as it doesn't prevent learnig. It's part of free speech. There was a SCOTUS ruling saying so
KeeleonOhms
Personally I think outlandish hair, clothing, jewelry and makeup distract learning. You're there to learn not to express your individuality.
SloppyJimbo
Couldn't bans that are hard to enforce also distract from learning?
KeeleonOhms
It's not that hard. If you show up with a Mohawk you go to the office and wash it out and just have a stupid haircut.
SloppyJimbo
Nah like vague. One persons unusual is different from another's
spudpicker
Some states resist enforcing federal laws because they want local control of schools, especially in states that take dress codes seriously.
YesIamTheDevilButIDontExistSoDontListenToMeBesidesIamNotADoctor
just shoot the bastard like everyone else does these days
TheWayADrillWorks
Saying what we're all thinking... or what I am anyway
kmurdz
Flatcatbob
I was called into the principles office because of my punk attire in 82. And asked what cult i was in and why was i deranging the students.
IAmAGoodPerson
Almost as like this was made up.
Flatcatbob
Naw really happened. No shit fer real. I let you in a secret. I did have flock of seagulls hair two tone black and blonde..back then.
Iaimtomisbehave
BeerStoreGuy
I got called into the VP's office to get grilled for an hour by him and the schools police liaison officer, because they were convinced I...
BeerStoreGuy
basically ran a drug cartel in the school and they were trying to scare some kinda confession out of me. I laughed towards the end when
BeerStoreGuy
they figured out they were wrong, and I laughed hard at their expressions when I demanded to call my parents =]
GreenLanternMD
Tell this jerkwad, "The 60s are calling you - they want their authoritarian administrative policies back."
hooktail419
That whole satanic panic stuff was fucked up. Read up on the west Memphis three.
Flatcatbob
Yeah like my hippie bud was acussed of being satanic for a peace sign shirt. They said it was an upside down fallen cross.
thunder2132
Were you a student or a teacher? This could be an awkward situation if you were a home-ec teacher.
harmtheohmless
82 was a good year, I fist punched some chicks vagina from the inside to out.
Flatcatbob
Yeah it was . Igot some chick preggo
MonaTheLonah
I wore gloves and wrist braces in middle school because i have hereditary eczema allergies, I was accused of being part of a gang o - o
DisorderlyChaos
I got called to the dean of disciplines office on several occasions. Eventually our relationship was, "Did you do it?" "No" "Back to class."
FriendlyNeighbourhoodCanadian
My first day of highschool involved going to get pictures taken and being refused with my Mohawk unless I combed it out (doesn't work)
Flatcatbob
My yearbook photo my junior year was replaced by my freshman photo
SeeSnootMustBoop
Feel ya. I got called in because I had makeup all over my face (goth kids, ya know) just about daily. Meanwhile, I was a good student 1/2
SeeSnootMustBoop
and never caused a problem, while the actual problem kids got away scott free because they were on the wrestling team.
hollaaturdawg
I gotta called in she was like "why are you here?" And I was like I don't know you called me... And she was like oh... I can't remember wh
Flatcatbob
Ah the ol jedi mind trick..
hollaaturdawg
Why
robsprofileonimgur
cool story do you tell it at parties?
chrissymad
went to catholic school & got detention bc my collar was unintentionally popped & I wore diff color socks. They asked what gang I was in...
errazzecka
I wear my patch jacket and thr rest if my pubk stuff, called down several times because I was "scaring" some of the younger students
elninjapenguin
A buddy and I got sent to principle for wearing our gowns, the day we got cap and gowns, because it was trench coat mafia like. It was '99.
kansas555
I got called in, and interrogated for 4 hours after Columbine, because I wore goth/punk clothes and listened to Manson.
KeeleonOhms
I was smart enough to put my black trench coat away after columbine. Don't try and draw attention to yourself then get mad when you get it.
kansas555
I never wore a trench coat. I had a motorcycle jacket that I wore, or my grandpa's Army jacket. It was just the fact that in my little
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Country town, I stood out, I was different. And I don't care what you wear to be interrogated for 4 hours without parents is wrong.
ArvisJaggamar
Because giant nerds were responsible for Columbine? (just a playful jab, everyone's a nerd in their teens)
kansas555
The entire time, I answered every question with... "I won't answer that without my parents or lawyer present. 4 fucking hours.
followthewhiterabbit
thats fucked up >:(
kansas555
Extremely
PurplePixieUK
What the hell?! Knee jerk panic reactions; awful. There's research showing that metal heads are actually one of the happiest groups...
borgmaster
They are focused on the outside the normal society lines here. Id bet they would interview dnd players if they wore wizard hats and staffs.
houseofprimetofu
School admin didn't do that to me, but classmates did.
Pandaphant
#TeamInterrogatedAfterColumbine!
kansas555
I was a senior in high school, literally a month from graduation. Some of my friends were freshmen and being interrogated too. I told them
kansas555
All to say the same thing I said over and over again. Not to answer anything at any point. I almost wasn't allowed to graduate because if it
NomadGray
Ayyyy. Too young to have been, but would have been.
Flatcatbob
I also met the other weird kids in the waiting area called for the same accusations..
sunriseswede
Um, was it breakfast time? Cuz, you were like, the Breakfast Club? Did you, did you, like, dance and stuff?
Flatcatbob
Closer to lunch. Which i smoked. In a van... down by the river.
Flatcatbob
We've been friends ever since...
KNOWLEDGEisPowerwastaken
Awesome!
TheyHunger
"Don't you... For-get a-bout me..."
skwint
Did you form a cult with them? You get bonus irony points for that.
MolagKenaIsBestGirl
Some real Shawshank shit right there.
Flatcatbob
We did play d and d.
TheQuack
I agree that this guy is a dick, but students don't actually have rights.
Olli399
Everyone has rights.
jobythe1
Sure they do. The supreme court has taken cases dealing with student rights.
Mostlydeadpool
sure, but when someone goes through the steps to get and recieve permission, changing your mind on a whim makes you break your own word.
happyishturtle
Look up Tinker V Des Moines and New Jersey V T.L.O, technically students do in fact have rights according to the supreme court. 1/2
SomeGuyFromTheMostIsolatedishCityOnEarth
Which Supreme Court though? We don't know what country this is from so that case may not apply
happyishturtle
Just look it up
TheQuack
well, he mentions New Jersey so that should be a clue...
happyishturtle
Tinker v Des Moines deals with freedom of speech (arm bands protesting Vietnam then I believe) idk if hair color would fit under that tho
evangelionisabouthegemonicmasculinity
Tinker v Des Moines decided that schools could only censor expression if they could prove that the conduct would... 1/2
evangelionisabouthegemonicmasculinity
"Materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school"
rockatron5000
She needs to start her own marching band full of delinquents and challenge her former school band to a band battle. Winner takes all.
DontTalkToMeOrMyWaifuEverAgain
...with black jack and hookers?
hooktail419
I read that as Jack black and thought you were referencing School of Rock.
DrTrebouchet
same here
SweetGeekling
Starring Anna Kendrick.
Krakraalldayday
I got told by my track coach I couldn't compete cause I liked like a jackass, you know what I did look like a jackass thanks coach Ruch
Potaterzpotateyo
It's almost like we're pretty stupid when have overly inflated egos and no life experience, or something.
ObiWanShalomi
Leonard from bigbangtheory "Wuuuuuuut"
HousePest
And have a right to look however the hell we want to.
Potaterzpotateyo
And are then subject to the repercussions of doing so. If a school has a dress code you follow it or you're punished. It's not complicated.
HousePest
It isn't complicated actually, you're right. According to a supreme court ruling, students do in fact have a right to freedom of speech and
HousePest
expression.
AussieMuse
I shaved for a cure in year 10 (Leukemia foundation) and was told I MUST wear a beanie or bandanna because it was a "radical hairstyle"
FernandoRumdebum
Damn I bic'ed my head because I thought it'd look cool (it didn't, I had bug eyebrows I looked redonk). All my teacher did was laugh ha
FernandoRumdebum
*big eyebrows
DrelG
Leuka-WHAT? Stop speaking German you skinhead!
GiantDad420
MadMupp
You shouldnt have been waving with a straight stiff arm at the same time, that probably didnt help your case :P
tattoogigolo
Should have worn a bald cap in protest
AlabamaShakySnake
That's when I come with a new hat each day, day 1 is Sombrero day.
YesMyNameIsCalvin
And you sit at the front of every class
AlabamaShakySnake
Naturally.
ImSoOffended
I was bald from chemo and told I couldn't wear a hat because they were against school policy.
Lugh314159
I was told to remove my bandanna in HS because it was a 'gang sign' ..... I wonder if I'd shaved my head.....
kelestofkels
I guess I got lucky and was allowed to wear a hat when mine was shaved for surgery.
5t6thyerf
I shaved my head and wasn't allowed to wear a hat haha. if I ever put one on I got detention.
Bacxaber
Calling baldness a hairstyle is like calling atheism a religion.
AussieMuse
Luckily my peers thought that was utterly ridiculous and rallied around me when I was caught without said head coverings
DontTalkToMeOrMyWaifuEverAgain
That's ridiculous, shaving for cancer is as opposite to radical as opposite can be
ChainsawHandsJoe
What if you really had a condition that made you shave your head or otherwise lose your hair? Those fuckwits...
EmergencyAbortionSavingsAccount
I don't give a shit about some random high school girl's problems.
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YesItIsMyRealName
You said it pal ! Sheeeesh
Ziharkk
Thanks for saying what the best of us are thinking.
DongStomper
KeeleonOhms
But how is she supposed to get a free education if she doesn't dress like a unique snowflake?
TheOnlyTruJhawk
yet apparently care enough to comment? sounds legit (:
RedFortuna
'Authority Complex'. Yeah, maybe he's a principal or something who puts up with special snowflakes every year who bitch about inane shit.
whyteraven74
Only special snowflake is the principal and anyone defending him.
HousePest
Wowee, wanting to dye your own hair sure does make you a special snowflake.
Potaterzpotateyo
And the fact that maybe special pink hair snowflake embellished or even made up elements of this story because they didn't get their way. 1
Potaterzpotateyo
I mean I've NEVER heard of teenagers doing that before.
TheGrumpest
It was her father who made the post though...
Abrausedteleprot
Either he's delusional or has a chip on his shoulder about something. What sort of grown man types this on FB?
Potaterzpotateyo
From a story told to him by his daughter. Perhaps it's true, but I highly doubt it, as the only source is her.
peepsmcgeeandthefilthy
Legally kids have very few rights. The school makes the rules and we all had to follow them. Hell if you defend yourself you're punished.
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spudpicker
Teacher here. Most schools don't act like prisons. Ours doesn't care about hairstyles/piercings, and gives students a voice in decisions.
peepsmcgeeandthefilthy
Yeah but like all things it all depends on leadership. Thank you for teaching.
Alldrn
and that is... Good ol' Murica
Alldrn
Effect them. However unlikely for this girl there is only one country in the world that has not signed up to this piece of legislation. . .
Alldrn
Legally kids do have rights (see UNCRC 2004) explains what rights a child has including the right to voice in any and all matters that . . .
turbovagina
They need to be ready for the workforce. Way more rules
DashingThroughTheNope
Or maybe we let folks express themselves while they're young and not be complete shitrags about it?
DrTrebouchet
no
PandiesINTENSIFIES
Aww yes. The universal uniform of jeans, hoodie and tennis shoes that are allowed...so professional
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
yep, was bullied by PE teacher and he would use the older kids to police us, mom talked to school, I was the problem they said
bobatronik
Land of the Slave. enjoy cancer ;)
KeeleonOhms
Schools are for learning. It shouldn't matter what you look like. Go be unique at the mall on the weekend.
weaponsofmassseduction
Government run public schools. If they were all privatized, they would be much better, and they would treat students as paying customers.
ClockworkArchangel13
lol. try again. private schools are MORE strict with their dress codes because they aren't required to comply with first amendment rights.
weaponsofmassseduction
But you can always choose to go to a different school.
ClockworkArchangel13
true, though i'm unaware of a private school in my area that doesn't have a uniform.
weaponsofmassseduction
I guess, but if there were more private schools, I'm sure there would be demand for more liberal ones.
MotherRingo
Bahahahaha, yeah right. I went to private school. Try that shit there, and there isn't even a conversation. Just say bye-bye band.
imacowbark
Like how businesses take customers first and their profits second? Silly libertarians, you so funny
weaponsofmassseduction
If you think your public school isn't treating your child fairly, you're FUCKED.
weaponsofmassseduction
If you think a business isn't treating customers fairly, spend your money at another business.
MotherRingo
The students aren't the customers. The parents are, and lots of parents want their student to be imbued with discipline.
weaponsofmassseduction
Businesses in largely unregulated industries that don't have government forced monopolies do take their customers first.
TheWayADrillWorks
Let me know when you find such an industry...
weaponsofmassseduction
You know why your computers have gotten faster and fallen in price? https://alibertarianfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/xUcHJqS.png
ElTrainee
first world problem? If you try to pull this where I went to schoo,you are not even allowed to come in, outside your house there are rules
GoldenVoltZ
But she was given permission beforehand. He can't just punish her for doing something he gave her permission to do.
ElTrainee
The whole argument is that she asked first, did we have the exact way she asked or any witness? An he is telling not allowed band only
TheGrumpest
You have the right to protest stupid rules.
CallmeJack02
wahh, a company needs me to look decent and doesn't want tattos over their new hire's face, they're such oppressive arseholes
TheGrumpest
I do think face tattoos are a little extreme.
HousePest
Waaaahhhhh, my new hire's hair color is unnatural, and I'm a walnut who thinks that stops them from doing their work.
Nikolai5
You got downvoted. Imgur Fascism strikes again. Seriously some of the people on here are proper morons.
CallmeJack02
yeah, looking decent is just what those facists want
TheGrumpest
It's a "code". Do as we do, and you'll be accepted, no exceptions.
Nikolai5
No it's the suppression of opinions other than theirs. Anything else is "edgy" or just straight up downvoted.
Shenkman
not going to be popular but, WHOOOOOOOO CARES? maybe the world isnt supposed to conform for every fucking child.
HousePest
Maybe leaving the fucking color of someone's own hair up to them isn't conforming to them. That's like dictating what color make up someone
HousePest
can use. Its fucking stupid.
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ThatPersonStalkingYou
Yeah, because what is being said here is 100% the truth. No exaggerations, just pure facts. Get real.
GamersLastLife
That's still an assumption not a fact. Authority figures can be assholes and I'm only commenting to the scenario as stands.
ExiledCanuck
Pretty sure the "permission" she was granted was by her father, but I could be wrong.
ExiledCanuck
Never mind, re read the text
GamersLastLife
The problem is he gave permission, revoked it and insulted her unjustly. That's not how a principal should behave in this situation, 1/2
KeeleonOhms
This is literally the only part that matters. She can cry herself to sleep every night because she can't have pink hair in band.
spudpicker
The principal didn't give permission, he was just present when the band teacher or father said it was okay.
GamersLastLife
The band teacher was present and they handle the dresscode for any band activities not the principal. That's how it was at my school 1/2
GamersLastLife
If he was present then he should have voiced his concern there when he was present. Assuming present meant in the convo / earshot 2/2
KeeleonOhms
If he knew about it beforehand he should have said something then.
GamersLastLife
If she was acting out and being a nuisance fair enough, but she asked permission and he gave it he should take responsibility for that. 2/2
Shenkman
the world isn't. sometimes you don't get what you wantbecause someone in a little more power said so. deal with it. if she wants to be in 1/
Shenkman
the band enough she will change her hair color. again the world isnt supposed to conform to every god damn child.
KeeleonOhms
If he said yes and then responded like this, he's a hypocrite and an asshole.
Shenkman
he did not say yes. the teachers and father did.
UniquelyPutrescent
lmao what a shitty attitude. "Accept unfairness because the big man said so." You sound like a doormat.
Shenkman
you sound like the entitled scum of today. and why are you using quotation marks? you don't achieve things without sacrifice. 1/
Shenkman
and you're the only one who said "accept". I said deal with it. don't like your situation? change it. but to pretend like there wont be 1/
42peanuts
It's just hair color. If you get distracted by bright colors than maybe high school is a little advanced for you.
Nutinbutbootson
Our schools won't allow hair colors or athletic pants, untucked shirts, and require you to wear a belt. So many distractions...
Fazerisgreat
I wonder how triggered the principal gets when he sees a rainbow
eftwyrd
Then*
MetalMonstrosity
Tru dat. Gotta learn that colors aren't all razzle dazzle. If you drive by a clown and wreck your car, it ain't the clowns fault.
SilentAitch
Ahhh the ol' razzle dazzle!
Blastergv9
Yea you know what's distracting? Titties. If her boobs aren't out then people should be able to focus
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
Unless she's a teen mom feeding her baby between classes. That's okay.
airshac
If bright colors are a problem then maybe you shouldnt do shrooms before coming to school.
Vitty
Well according to school dress codes, boys get distracted by shoulders
LaikaSpaceDog
Frankiness
If this was the band teacher, I would say they want to maintain uniformity and professionalism. It looks a lot nicer for competitions.
JLynne
It gives into a damn shaco regardless
TheGrumpest
The post seems to imply that either the band teacher or principal had previously given permission.
TraitorousTrump3
Buuuuut. It wasn't.
knotch2
that's the difference between PLACING in a competition rather then not having a chance for not complying with the rules.
Malkhuth
So natural gingers aren't allowed to be in band?
TwitchTitch
Explain? Red hair isn't the same as pink or blue. I'm not saying hairdying is bad but it sounds like you're comparing apples to oranges
DontTalkToMeOrMyWaifuEverAgain
No silly goose, they need to have soul in their music!
sora3087
So pin her hair up under the hat? Those thing's are buckets anyway.
RainInTheFace
Yeah, I had long hair in band, and under the shako you couldn't tell. All long haired kids tied up their hair in nets and pins.
Frankiness
Colored hair was actually very visible in our hats. Of course with the person I'm thinking of, her hair was bubblegum pink.
sora3087
I guess it depends on your band but this is what I usually see https://imgur.com/d8vZ7oj
sora3087
You can see it's covering ears and dipping to at least the back of the neck.
JetMarks
Only some bands wear bucket hats. There are long brimmed fedoras, pointed helmets, and one time I saw Spartan helmets. Ton of options.
duxisgod
"the man on the left".. im getting irrationally triggered just because he is on the right
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aCartographer
Triggered
hockeyham
Maybe it was HER left
pimientofrito
Stop assuming gender
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
But he's still on the left
Notanotherdamnone
Me too! I'm sure there are dozens of us
ILiveUnderARock
Wuss.
Sionas
I guess he meant the whole picture was left of the text you read.
3toedsloth
My first thought too, but then he also said his daughter was to the left. Both true, but it does irrationally bug me as well for some reason
briansr
aCartographer
What about browsing on mobile, the text is under the picture, triggering intensifies
BaraAlismaili
How?
aCartographer
If you browse facebook on mobile, the text is under the picture...
KungenSam
It's just one picture so it wouldn't be below the picture anyway.
UglyGilly
I just noticed, now I don't know who's who thanks a lot man
Arcrosis
I didnt notice cause i cant tell left from right. Im 23. My 9yo sister can do better than me
Fonzanoon
Easy tiger
miserableprincess
To be fair if there is a uniform policy hair color is kinda part of it, no reason to be a dick like this asshole though.
PaulSmackageFromGrapevineTexas
Uniform or not, hair is a part of your body. It's like telling someone what color makeup they can wear.
Beatdrums
Hair gets picked up into the shakos(hats) anyways. hair color would be barely visible.
sillyblackcat
I don't think the issue is not allowing hair colour but the hurtful comments and disrespect of the principal.
CthuluAlmighty
it had only mentioned a band uniform, so
TairaMai
I'm getting the vibe that the principle is moving the goal posts to be a dick.
appaismyspiritanimal
I believe you mean *principal
KnightWing88
If she asked for and recieved his approval then he has nothing to argue
MadMupp
Maybe she just asked could she dye it, which he thought to another natural colour. But when it happened to be pink it was against the rules
sadquesadilla
With a principal (seemingly) as strict as this one, he would have asked what color she wanted to dye it, especially if she's in band
TauCommander40K
I dyed the whole top of my head green and the faculty is pretty okay with it.
BortymcBortfeis
It kinda isn't though
blowmetwotimes
but really, who gives a shit what color her hair is. How is it a distraction to anybody else?
hellzcat
I went to a really strict and conservative catholic private school. They have rules down to the length of our nails. Those nuns were spartan
umikaloo
I used to go to a uniform school, dyed hair was fine their, I had a friend with pink hair, the hockey team even bleached their hair.
mand1nga
it's called dickbutt
ceepeepee
Typically hair color is not a part of the uniform policy, as it's hidden by a hat while marching. It's up to the band director anyway.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
depends on the uniform, my HS marching band just wore berets that didn't conceal long hair.
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lemonfluff
Picking on her, shaming and belittling her publically without listening to her justification is bullying. It is an unreasonable reaction.
mysteriouspheonix
I think it had more to do with the principal calling her an embarrassment as if she caused her family shame
TheGrumpest
It's bullying because he's being angry and rude instead of just pulling her to the side and giving her a stern but respectful warning.
BreadyStinellis
In most US public high schools hair color isn't in the dress code at all.
1Plebian
It seems the lady is just perceiving him to be a dick though. Esp for all we know. Sounds like her little snowflake can't be told "no."
avianidiot
Because a teacher saying a to a child that they are is a disappointment to their parents is totally acceptable behavior from an adult?
MadMupp
Maybe the child was being a massive dick in response swearing etc and as such was told her parents would be disappointed.
lemonfluff
Wow, why is this downvoted? Adults with superego ritzy complex.
1Plebian
It seems like there was a rule that she wanted to be an exception for, was told no, did it anyway, and now it's an incident.
1Plebian
I'm sure the principle's cherry picked sentences didn't come out of a vacuum, so down with lynch mob for me.
vegivamp
If hair colour is part of the uniform, does that mean blondes can join but redheads can't?
hellzcat
I think in this case any natural colors are ok (blond/brunette/redheads), but nothing unnatural like green or pink.
vegivamp
I would be very interested in a rational explanation for that requirement that doesn't boil down to "I'm the principal and I don't like it".
MadMupp
Its natural tones, blonde, brunette, red head all fine. Pinks, blues and pillarbox red are not unless youre an Anime character
GuyNamedSean
Although, if you ask permission and are given permission to do that, they can't just later punish you and revoke your right on spot.
MicahAmey
That's like asking if you can ha e that sandwich then getting yelled at mid dump that you can't eat sandwiches.
TechnomancerZac
In my school, we're allowed natural colours so she may not have stated the colour. Just a thought.
chettlar
Right, so in that case it would still be more appropriate to eat it and let her have the hair. He is responsible for the misunderstanding.
TechnomancerZac
Not really, schools tend to make their rules pretty obvious. However i don't want to start an argument so lets agree to disagree.
TinyRocktopus
The band director probably gave permission but the ass hat undermining delegated power at a students expense
chettlar
Did none of you actually read the OP? It says she was given permission in the principal's presence. He had ample time to say no. Dickhead.
happyishturtle
The typical public school policy for clothing is that it can't distract others, I don't think hair color is too distracting 1/2
happyishturtle
You just look at it briefly and either think "that's cool" or "wtf was he/she thinking" and carry on
Wtfmynamewontwork
its distracting because no one else has that color hair because of the school policy of not having dyed hair because its distracting because
Wtfmynamewontwork
no one else has that color hair because of the school policy of not having dyed hair because its distracting because no one else has that
Wtfmynamewontwork
color hair...
Ulthirm
Most policies today say you can dye it to some certain hue.
bufferkiller
A policy was written to prevent dying hair "abnormal" colors after I was expelled, but never enforced on other students.
Ulthirm
Down in my school you can dye it to "a natural hue, colors that occur in nature" Which means they are saying "sure you can use bird blue"'
bufferkiller
This happened to me 17 years ago. In a very small redneck town.
LogicJab
As a teacher I have to say, if someone's clothing/hair distracts all the students in your class you wrote a shitty lesson plan.
CaptainMinnette
Talking about marching band here. Uniform policy for band is usually natural hair color. Guy was a ass for telling her it was OK then not.
lyricallove
I feel like so many people dye their hair different colors nowadays, it shouldn't be too much of a distraction. High school is a joke. 1/2
GamersLastLife
Yeah they say all the rules are for the real world. Then immediately universities dont give a shit and jobs it only depends on industries 1
GamersLastLife
And by that time you've had the chance to expressed yourself as a kid, so if you really want a specific job it's never a big deal. 2/2
lyricallove
The only things I got out of it were my choir experiences and friends. There needs to be a balance of understanding that these teens 2/3
lyricallove
are practically legal and rules that reflect rules that are common for young adults. 3/3
MagicUmbrellas
School dress codes are all ridiculous
KeeleonOhms
I believe the opposite. You're there to learn not express yourself. You can wear whatever you want on your own time.
lizabean
I wasn't allowed to show my collarbones at my catholic high school. Didn't know collarbones were so distracting
MagicUmbrellas
Thats cuz only servants of the devil flaunt their collar bones
ToxicPineapple
My wife likes them. It's strange, but I'm not complaining.
lizabean
I mean I see a kind of appeal and beauty of them as a part of the body but I don't think are thought of as exorbitantly sexy lol
ToxicPineapple
They turn her on. I guess the saying goes that everything is someone's aphrodisiac.
KeeleonOhms
Stupid sexy collarbones.
heidimark
Could actually be a band uniform policy. Mine was like the military, for both band and drill team.
MagicUmbrellas
What does your shirt have to do with your hair tho?
Ulthirm
This makes sense
Camelspotting
Except that's not the principal's responsibility.
Seasofcheese83
It's always best to trust only one side of the story...
thelefthandN7
It's the American Way!
CyandeExpress
I could believe it, because they did this same kinda stuff to me and my sister while I was in HS. Me for having long hair as a guy
EmuMoogle
Yeah, as someone who had to deal with horrible school administrators 20+ years ago, I can't *imagine* this guy being a shitbag. /s
spudpicker
Keep in mind, education has changed more in the past 15 years than in the previous 50. Lots of bad people retired when they couldn't adapt.
happyishturtle
Some school principals are real fuckwits though because they're finally in a place of authority over everyone else it can get to their heads
CaptSheffield
Yeah, but it's authority over kids. Cuz adults would tell them to fuck off.
ordnot
Teachers and other school faculty get attacked and shit on any time they dont tell their stupid kids that they are perfect
TheGrumpest
Nobody said he had to like her choice of hair, just that he has to be respectful.
iggyface
I'm generally suspicious of teen girls with obnoxious hair colours.
DankMemeStealer
My headteacher spread rumours about my then-gf telling people about bjs she'd given around, he 'left' shortly after
TemporaryUzername
The fact that there is an issue with the colour of someone's hair is the clear problem here- don't let anyone's side of the story fool you.
TheDeckhand
Now I don't know if the band she's in allows colored hair, mine doesn't, it's all about uniformity
TemporaryUzername
the school should have a wearable supplement for any offending hair colours. what happens if everyone is a brunette, and you're a ginger?
TheDeckhand
It's more of it's not a normal hair color, so it would stick out more than a brunette or ginger, which is what you would expect.
TemporaryUzername
that is not an excuse to chastise someone for it. exclusion because of hair colour is ridiculous.
nebworb
Yeah but it's hair color.
Premed
Girl @ extreme left. man to the left - of the text. Left & right are relative position indicators not absolute coordinates
HmmmThatsNice
You said what I was thinking!
annibe11e
It's easier!
dante979
there's always 3 sides to a story. In this case theirs, his, and the truth...
HiddenSpoon
Isn't that what your suppose to do online
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
Here's an idea. When someone says something, listen to them.
essiecae
Some principals are just this bad. I was sexually assaulted in high school and when I told my principal I wasn't comfortable being in (1/2)
essiecae
The same class as my attacker while the case was ongoing she told me "maybe you should learn to shut your mouth and legs and these (1.5/2)
essiecae
Wouldn't happen" I'm not changing your schedule because you don't like someone. I had to have a court order to get her to allow me to switch
MabonFeathers
I was sexually assaulted in highschool, blackmailed for 2 years, told the VP, and he basically went, well you were asking for it!
essiecae
That's horrible! I'm so sorry
coffeebreath28
Your principal definitely broke federal law by not allowing you to switch around your schedule and should have faced some consequences.
essiecae
She was fired the next year. But it's a small town. The cops ended up dropping the charges against him even tho there was witnesses because
C0mtraya
Actually, this should be a reason to dismiss the principal. You should always comfort a victim in anyway possible, especially in this case.
essiecae
She was fired the next year. Our high school had a high suicide rate and she was dismissed when it was found she was doing things like this
TheGrumpest
I hope you can sue her someday.
BIRDSnshit
that's horrible :( was this a while ago or this decade?
essiecae
I graduated in 2012. She was fired the following year
Lucy2Electricboogaloo
Read your replies , looks like a lot of people made up the other side for themselves.
TheSevvy
Like with sexual assault!
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
This one time, when I was in school, my pants fell down because my father insisted on buying me clothes "into which I could grow," (1/?)
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
right after it happened, I pulled them RIGHT back up and looked around embarrassed, but noticed none of the other students even saw it (2/?)
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
and I thought I had gotten through it, mentally unscarred, until an administrator, who happened to walk by, started screaming at me (3/?)
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
about "letting my pants fall in class" and she dragged me to the bathroom, handed me a pair of scissors and made me put a new hole in (4/?)
CertifiedPreOwnedButtPlug
my belt so it wouldn't happen again. Through crazy familial connections, she's still in my life and I'll never forgive her. (5/5)
vonmoony
Just trying to set my girl up for the real world, Jim. Ya know, when you don't get your way -which is bullying- hold your own life hostage.
TheMexicanThatCould
I literally had a principal tell one of my best friends in front of me that she was going nowhere in life and was a failure.
Autocorrected
I had a math teacher tell everyone that. Suck it up buttercup.
QuazMasta
Was there context around the phrase? Because words like that can be a wake-up call to someone who is seriously being a little shit.
Sallvo623
Sure get both sides of the stories but it is assholes like this that ruin students pursuing things they like. In 8th grade I was 1/3
Sallvo623
Struggling in science. After a particularly bad test my teacher told me the reason I was failing was because I was fat and a loser. 2/3
Sallvo623
When I told him to eat shit he said get out of my class you fucking retarded. I was so embarrassed I never tried again i the class 3/4
Sallvo623
And would just listen to music. I flunked science, and only in the past 10 years rediscovered my passion for it. Fuck him and fuck this guy
footfoe
Been subbing for a week. Amazed at how much the kids lie. They lie about everything and never take responsibility for their actions.
Zreen
They had good practice
Camelspotting
I'm betting that's partially because you're a sub and they think you're gullible.
TheGrumpest
"never".
nirach
Was it Louis CK who made a comment on kids learning to lie? Pretty sure it was him.
nirach
It was! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msy__Gujljo Thanks google.
doublekross
They lie to you because you're a substitute and they don't respect you.
IratetheD
you sound so hurt... not all kids are liers
OatmealTheCat
True, when has a teenage girl ever exaggerated a story to her parents? I'm not a teenage girl but I think its never right?
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OatmealTheCat
Thanks for getting the joke. I was going for sass and now my notifications are blowing up with people wining about their mean old principals
hammersquirrel
Temenos
I was told by my teacher he would do everything to get me thrown out because I was a negative person, why? Because I refused to put everyone
Temenos
Who hadn't put their bike in the shed after a trip in, while I had put my own in. Just because I was the last one in.
Temenos
That was a messy writing, sorry I'm at work :(
Flyndaran
We being the only white family on the rez two girls decided to accuse me and my brother of beating them up. The entire bus laughed.
Flyndaran
We're horribly shy nerds. Kind of embarrassing to be thought physically incapable, but it nevertheless nipped the lie in the bud.
loubli
This happened to the father though just saying
ItsReallyNot
Why does gender matter? Teenage boys don't lie?
poopiebutthole
how is that implied? Black lives matter doesn't imply that white lives matter less or not at all. It's a simple statement.
YesIamTheDevilButIDontExistSoDontListenToMeBesidesIamNotADoctor
that happened at my school a few years back... I saw the scene where the principal berated the girl with blue hair
whatismynameagain
A kid in my school shaved his head for charity. The head suspended him until it grew back.
Thundering165
Well if a kid shaved me without my permission I'd probably suspend him too.
ThroughTheFireAndTheFlamesOnExpert
I had a principal tell me he would change the entire school dress code so my hair wasn't in my eyes, I'm a boy. Sometimes they are that mean
Icecold11111
Man, pur principal was awesome. He was a Buddhist at one point and a sniper at a different time. Challenged me to a pull up contest when 1
Icecold11111
The recruiters showed up. I won, but just because I weighed 110 and he was in his 50s lol. Good guy. Makss md sick to see bad ones out there
r0bber
Girl lied to the administration saying I made fun of her, little did she know I had them in my back pocket and they asked me right after 1/2
r0bber
I promptly had 2 separate conversations with them about 2 different things then we got on the same page, and I told them she was lying 2/2
Thedevilwearsbananahammocks
It must be tough being an elementary teacher...
KidGetsAcquaintedWithUniverse
We're lookin' at you Ryan Lochte
Beckinpdx
I got pregnant the end of my JR year and came back for my senior year pregnant the principal basically told me I should go to ALT school 1/2
Beckinpdx
Because people would talk so much shit about me that going to school would be hell. I told him No I was finishing with my class. When I 1/2
Beckinpdx
Walked across the stage to get my diploma from him I gave him the biggest shit eating grin I could.
PoeKneeTa
I almost thought you said you gave him the biggest shit you could.
LloydMadel
What a bastard! Why would he care about your well-being! Assholes, I tell ya!!
FrozenRhinoSperm
As a former person in band, you couldn't have your hair dyed unnatural colors or have piercings. If it couldn't adjust, you couldn't compete
Efreeti
Compete?
thegreatwhiteblackartblackestmaster
High School bands go to competitions, marching and concert season. There are judges who score their performances.
Efreeti
Weeeeeeeird
FrozenRhinoSperm
It really is, judging people on how good their music making ability is haha
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
As another former person in band, mine gave no fucks about hair or piercings. See how meaningless these comments were?
FrozenRhinoSperm
Did you do marching band?
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
yes, and our uniforms didn't even have a shako that hides long hair, just a simple beret.
FrozenRhinoSperm
I mean rules could be different from association to association
ChronoTimer
So what is the exact requirement? Everybody has to have black hair. Everyone needs to have brunette? How about everyone is ginger?
AfroSamuraiRM
Nope. Just don't have rainbow-dyed hair, not hard to understand. Ginger, we know the hair color, sane for brunette and black hair. Pink isnt
SpanishMatlock
Yeah no doubt there are a set of standards that we agree are normal for totally reasonable reasons that are reasonably reasonable.
TheConnmann
At my school, which was one of the biggest and best bands in the state of colorado, we had girls with pink hair, dudes with purple hair.1/2
RenewU
How does this at all affect the story here? Obviously only one side of it but it's never ok for a principal to discourage CHILDREN like this
FrozenRhinoSperm
Principal could be really invested in the band program doing well or could be under pressure from a band director w/ better standing
Spongybunny
My school wouldn't let students dye their hair "unnatural colors" at all, regardless of being in band or not.
GunstarHero
He kind of addressed your point saying she even asked for permission. This also isnt the band director setting a standard.
KeeleonOhms
The getting permission part is the only reason I think the principal might be wrong.
GunstarHero
It also seems weird to have an issue with a band member with dyed hair... how distracting can that be on a football field
FrozenRhinoSperm
I'm just saying I think this could be closer to what was really going on and he could be embellishing. Internet hate campaigns are (1/2)
FrozenRhinoSperm
...notoriously inaccurate (2/2)
GunstarHero
They might be. Some schools require uniforms too. It just seemed like you were setting the standard and I disagreed
PanicAtTheCostco
Yeah same. And even outside of band, what's so weird about this? People can't wait a year or two to have pink hair after high school?
HousePest
What's the point of restricting it, though? There genuinely is not one.
GamersLastLife
There's no point to it. It's not a distraction, universities allow it, and jobs do too depending on the industry. 1/2
GamersLastLife
The only time it makes sense is if you're in a job that needs you to look professional and meet with clients etc. 2/3
GamersLastLife
And by that age you have had time to express yourself in your teenage and young adult years so if thats the job you want it's not a big deal
Sabiya
And most marching bands require you to tuck your hair under a hat and most piercings can be taken out for a day. I had purple hair all (1/2)
Sabiya
Through high school and was in marching/ pep band. Never had an issue. (2/2)
FrozenRhinoSperm
And that's awesome and a valid point, however, I'm just pointing out that there's probably another side of this story
JonestownClassPresident
Uniformity is the key.
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JonestownClassPresident
I would consider this inappropriate if I were here director.
JonestownClassPresident
Her
FrozenRhinoSperm
Yup. I'd imagine there is a second, reasonable side to this story
Kilsim1v
High school band in a nutshell, just like the USSR!
Wraivyn
Because, gods forbid, anyone be different. This is what we teach our kids.
Potaterzpotateyo
It's literally an entire event about uniformity and synchronization. Take your "uniqueness" elsewhere.
Wraivyn
So then why not make everyone dye their hair a golden chestnut brown, since it's all about uniformity?
JonestownClassPresident
Marching band is about uniformity. Stand outs draw the eye and cost the band points.
doubleormuffin
Competitive marching band is BS anyway. You can either have choreography that wins you competitions, or a show that viewers would enjoy.
SmilingSamoyed
Oh, so that's what a 'triggered' comment looks like
Benjammin76
You wanna be different? Don't join the band where everyone is supposed to look as similar as possible
FrozenRhinoSperm
Yeah haha if you wanna be unique, go join jazz band or something. Don't say you want to be a colorful individual then go join the military
wtfIm
It's band, you match each other's rhythm, isn't hat the whole fucking point
CaptSheffield
Didn't know you were cookie cut. Thought rhythm was moving the same.
CapitalizingOnTheAbsenseOfAReasonableUsernameCharacterLimit
I didn't realise hair colour effected the sound an instrument makes. That's a pretty cool fun fact there.
rubbarz
Same with JROTC and many other things like that. Cant deal with it, get out. Want to stay? Suck it up.
WriteStuff
And when, if not in high school, are you supposed to discover who you are?
TheConnmann
Jrotc is military training program, high school marching band is not.
rubbarz
JROTC is not just for military. It can teach a shithead kid discipline and learn respect.
TheGrumpest
Yeah, but high school isn't the military.
rubbarz
And this is a facebook post.
AfroSamuraiRM
It has rules though. Follow them or don't. Get kicked out or don't. Harsh simplicity. Education or no education?
TheGrumpest
Hair color doesn't affect your ability to learn.
TheGrumpest
But it said she had gotten permission?