okay so setting aside that obviously everyone would eat a t rex, chickens arent descended from t rexes, they just share a relatively recent common ancestor. all the t rexes definitely died pretty soon after the meteor, and chicken and all the other birds are descended from other smaller djnosaurs that were better suited to survive
I know birds evolved from theropods, but I'm pretty sure that the specific theropods that evolved into birds were the small fluffy theropods, not the giant stompy ones.
Massive data gap on that theory. First 'bird' is older than any theropod. Latest actually known mutual ancestor is some crocodilian. Birds still have crocodilian hips, no Theropod does. Theropods are hip walkers, like us. Birds are knee walkers, unlike any dinosaur. Thigh bone is bound up in abdominal muscle and fascia, a prime mover for bird's unique breathing system. Bird knee acts like theropod and mammal hip. All theropods have counterbalancing tail for hip walking. No bird has such a tail.
Including all the non-flying birds who only walk/run. And there is more. Theropods and birds both have 2 fingers of the original 5 in the 'hand/wing' that get reabsorbed in the egg. Different two fingers between them.
Birds were anatomically modern by the time of the KT extinction. We just lost a ton of diversity in terms of morphology. Both in stompyness and fluffiness (and size)
Peta posts are usually dumb. But this is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen from Peta. I dont know anyone who would not be willing to try T-Rex.
When I was a kid I saw eel sushi and thought "I'd like to eat an eel". Last Monday I saw gator fritters on the menu and said "fuck I'll eat a gator" so yes I would like to eat a Trex
A) Chickens aren’t descended from T-Rex, the branch off of Avian Dinosaurs was much earlier than T-Rex. B) T-Rex would absolutely eat chicken, no question.
well yes but not really. birds descended from maniraptoran dinosaurs that split from their last common ancestor with tyrannosaurids some 200 Mya. your claim is as accurate as saying that we're closely related to bears because we're both carnivora.
We aren’t carnivora. We’re primates. And of course it’s not as close as us with other great apes, but despite the fact that they aren’t in the same evolutionary line, they are some of the most closely related animals to birds especially since you have to go all the way back to the clades that include crocodilians to find any evolutionary lines that that are still alive today. I’d argue my statement was more akin to the great ape being decently close to extinct monkeys in the grand scheme 1/2
of things rather than saying chickens are cousins with the T. rex. And I think that’s a fair statement considering how there are insect orders with more species in them than there are vertebrate species.
Apparently, due to size and status as top predators, scientists have decided T-Rex would have had a high proportion of heavy metals in their flesh. They would both taste terrible and poison you in one sitting. So you might eat a Rex, but only once.
They where thought to be carrion eaters, so they probably had a type of maggot in their stomachs to help process dead flesh. No Bueno on the t-rex breast meat.
One. One major paleontologist claims they were scavengers. There is fossil evidence of healed Rex bites. I don't put much stock in Horner's claims. In the current biosphere, predators always outweigh the scavengers. Rex may have been an opportunistic scavenger, but I highly, highly doubt it was primarily so.
I'm just thinking about the body type. I'm fairly certain they couldn't run much faster than, let's say an Elephant, it being so big and that speed would be in short bursts and mostly used for territorial behaviors. Defending land and walking a territory line.You are correct, though. Hornets claimed where purely speculative and unsupported.
There was an old Pinky & the Brain episode where Brain’s plan was to get money to fund cloning T.Rex for agricultural purposes, and crash the worlds poultry industry.
Things at the top of the food chain don't make for good eating these days because of all the environmental toxins. DDT almost killed off the large birds of prey.
So lemme just point something out: this is ONLY factory-farming which is p. much ONLY in the US to this extent. Anywhere else in the world, chickens are relatively normal, and taste like... chicken. They definitely have a taste. And from what I've heard from an African dude who explained it to me, crocodiles absolutely taste like fishy chicken. Which APPARENTLY taste like hippo meat (which was the first thing he compared it to until I told him "what??").
Time travel vs genetic clone raised in modern times would also be a factor I'd guess. IIRC there was a thing about possible high levels of heavy metals back then making dinosaur meat likely toxic to us now.
What's your point? Fred did it, and he had to get it on his car that was made of rock and then just run to make it back to his house with his kids and wife not helping.. Anyways.
I'm pretty sure scientists have determined T-Rex arms were pretty much pure muscle relative to their body. I got no sauce, but pretty sure I read that somewhere. If I'm wrong, oh well.
I got into a debate with someone who was vegan and one of the arguments was essentially "You only eat meat because you think it comes from a store. You wouldn't eat meat if you had to hunt and kill it yourself!" So I thought "You know, you're right! If I'm going to eat meat, I should be willing to hunt and kill it myself!" So that's how I started hunting.
After working on a ranch I dramatically reduced how much meat I eat. I treat it as the luxury it is, not the staple the meat industry wants you to think of it as. Especially in America, mind bogglingly huge subsidies keep meat unsustainably cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if you could feed the entire human world population with the agricultural effort of American meat production. (Might dive down that rabbit hole. I already know that would be a bit complicated to solve for)
Got to love Vegans and their logic. Humans need protein, even if it is not from meat. Humans were meant to eat meat, despite what the vegans say. There was no meat substitute available when humans were hunter gatherers thousands of years ago.
My point was, be a vegan if you like, but don't make stuff up, like saying that humans were not meant to eat meat. We started off as predators, and we were meant to eat meat. We need protein to survive. There are benefits to being a vegan, yes. I respect the choice of those who choose to be vegan.
A lot of projection going on there. The argument in the comment you replied to was that if you eat meat you should be prepared to kill the animal yourself. We were not "meant" to eat meat. We were meant to eat whatever the fuck we could. And yes, we need protein to survive but protein is not only found in meat. Protein is made up of amino acids that are also found in plants. I can respect your choice to eat meat but not you hiding behind made up stuff up like "we were meant to".
Vegans get winded trying to dig turnips out of lose soil and are angry because persistence hunting takes less energy than taming the climate, the water cycle, and the soil so they can grow enough cauliflower to make a shitty pizza crust
Vegans are almost universally city folks. They don’t seem to be aware of how big hunting is in America. Maybe they don’t realize that you absolutely have to bleed out a deer when you kill it. Pretty sure you pull out and discard the entrails too.
I had this same line of thought, but all I had available were the rats that my friend was overbreeding. Was seriously contemplating making some rat soup for a while.
That's a stupid argument, on both sides imo. Why don't I eat meat? Because I don't like to kill living beings. I like them to stay alive. And ecological reasons, too. But mostly the life thing.
I'd ask em if they wanted home made venison and talked about hunting every time they brought it up again. There's legitimate reasons to not like eating meat, but don't think calling someone ignorant, or straight up dumb, is going to change their mind on the subject.
"No, you only ate meat because you thought it came from a store. I know that animals are killed and butchered to get there. One of us lived in a fantasy world and couldn't come to terms when reality was thrust upon them!"
If deer dont die a violent death the two other options are disease or they starve to death when their teeth wear out and they can't eat food anymore: https://youtu.be/C_uC2YfFzps
This argument is rhetorical. You wouldn't live in a house if you had to build it yourself. You wouldn't drink water if you had to go to the stream and get it yourself.
I toss back that I HAVE hunted my own meat before, the only reason people dont do that know is it isn't realistic for everyone to be all hunter-gatherer if we society to be a thing. They know that though, the arguments were never meant to be in good faith anyway.
Only eating meat you hunt or farm yourself is a very ethical and sustainable path. Plus, you get to give them cute names, like "Salad" and "Carrots", so you can make it sound like you're eating healthy when in reality you're gorging on pork belly
Always thought that way myself, never actively seeked it out cause can't be fucked trying to get a gun license. Then I was working on a farm and they asked if I wanted to help cull some of the older ones.... shiet guess I gotta do it then. Sliced neck, grab feet and hang it in a upside down traffic cone to drain the blood. Then the rest of the processing as well, I love chicken, favourite meat
If only there was a natural predator of deer, one that could take out the sick and old or the young that have poor genetics. Man, it’d b super awesome if such a predator existed. Oh well. I guess killing the animal w the largest rack or is healthy is just gonna have to suffice.
We kill around as many, or more deer with vehicles as we do with hunting. Vehicle deaths are often more brutal, slow affairs, and include property damage and even human death as a consequence. I'd rather shoot a deer than run one over.
I grew up in a family of hunters, on a small farm. I know all too well where my food comes from. I have never once thought of being vegan because i know humans aren't vegans by nature. It's the mass production of meat that makes me sad.
I was eating deer jerky a friend brought into the bar we hung out at & a guy at the bar eating a burger and fries said to me that I shouldn’t eat it if I wouldn’t hunt and kill it. I asked how many cows he’s killed & how many potatoes he’s dug up. He paused and hit me with an honest to god “…touché.”
I had someone try and pull the "BuT dO yOu UsE eVeRy PaRt Of ThE aNiMaL?!" freakout. Yes I do - as much as I can. Certain things like brains and livers aren't safe but hearts, kidneys, bones and scraps all get used, and I keep a bag of frozen wings/backs/legs from small game birds to make *the best* "chicken" stock for soup and sauces. I don't need to "buy it from a store".
Factory farming also uses every part of the animal. Nothing goes to waste. Mechanically separated meat is the remains after its been butchered. Cartilage is used to make gelatin. Even the bones are ground up and used.
Where I live it’s not safe or recommended to eat venison/moose liver. Now for years ours got used anyway, my great uncle always ate it and was in his 80s (and then had terminal skin cancer) so he really didn’t care or worry.
Adrenaline ruins the meat, slaughter houses literally have the cow go through a winding path then curtain and get a nail to the forehead to prevent any adrenaline buildup. so depends on what you mean by 'deaths quicker' are they dead when they are put into the path or when the nail turns their brain into mush
You'd think. But every vegan I've asked says it's the same because they still die. And one told me humans aren't part of nature. The stereotype exists.
as a vegetarian i do, cus as much as it is a "moral" thing for me, i'm as much a concern about the environmental impact, that fucks way more animals then hunting.
We absolutely need to revolutionize our agriculture. All of it. What caused the insect die off that is happening? Mass insecticide use certainly doesn’t help. Not to mention ammonia is made from natural gas, and had a huge carbon footprint.
Co-founder of PETA said exactly that to me once: he'd rather people not eat meat, but if they are then hunting is absolutely the best route to take. I think responsible husbandry is also a good, more reliable option but industrial farming has taken over.
Most vegans actually supports this a lot more. I have a sort of curse that for the last decade, every girl I dated/been a relationship with was either vegan or vegetarian. All of them didnt care about me eating meat and are just mostly happy that I only eat meat a couple times a week. An ethical way to get your meat is fine with most of them
My brother is vegan, but he has said that he’d consider hunting or eating meat from hunting. He’s just very against the factory farm conditions and the environmental impact.
Absolutely valid, yeah. Factory farming is just cruelty for profit. It doesn't taste better, grow better, or even really cost that much less for the consumer, but those corps get to rake it in. I've raised my own pigs, cows, sheep, goats, chickens, horses, the whole lot. Yeah it's work, and of course city folk can't be doing this on their small plots, but there's no reason healthily farm raised meats couldn't be the mandated norm.
Some forget that hunting is a good way to control populations too. We killed off many of their natural predators so now we have to keep them from wiping out their own food sources with pure numbers.
The story about wolves being reintroduced to yellowstone is super interesting. Just by their hunting they changed the course of rivers, brought dozens of species back, and lots of other helpful things.
Right what condescension, they assume you're a child and don't know your chicken nuggets come from real chicken. Otherwise you'd obviously be vegan like they are. Cue the Michael Scott "now I'm going to eat meat even harder/ that's what she said."
It is a shame we didn't figure out a method of large scale harvest for free roaming herds of bison. We didn't need to drag millions of cattle across the middle of a country covered in millions of bison. Periodic harvest of a carefully limited nature, combined with some captive farming, and we could be eating leaner, healthier meat today.
Cows are slow dumb animals because we've bred them to be that way over centuries. Sure there's a few smart ones, and they move quickly enough when they have murder on the mind, but when you compare them to bison it's like comparing an f150 to an abrams tank. Buffalo ranching is extremely dangerous and requires a very heavy built infrastructure for when you need to work them for anything. Bison was never going to replace beef as a reliable source of meat no matter which way history went.
It's good to connect with nature that way. I think it does make you respect where meat comes from more. They should show more videos of meat packing plants too. It us important to see that. Currently it is illegal in the states to show those meat packers in a bad way. Maybe they would clean up their act and people would waste less of it.
Don't know of any law making it illegal to show how a slaughterhouse works. I've seen a kosher slaughter at a meat packing plant, and that throat slitting is not an 'instant' death, as some have been indoctrinated to believe. They buck and kick as they bleed out, which may take less than a minute, but it isn't nearly so clean and merciful as a captive bolt to the brain. That video is out there, and I've never heard of anyone being arrested for it.
https://awionline.org/legislation/anti-whistleblower-ag-gag-legislation. So they say it is to prevent unauthorized recordings but it is so people don't see how nasty it can be. Look up the trouble Opra got into just by making a comment about slaughter houses. The industry went after her for millions. It is quite obvious the law ishere to prevent people from discussing or knowing what is going on. I think k most people would demand change. I eat meat every day so I am not a tree hugger
Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to record (secretly) inside the slaughterhouse. Which means when you share it, you've shared illegally obtained footage because of course no one would ever give permission.
The bolts don’t kill a lot of the time, they concuss them. When the bolt fails they have electric chainsaws to finish them off. *supposedly* the slit causes instant shock if the arteries are severed and leads to less physical pain. Idk why there isn’t a hydraulic guillotein for cows
Any reason for the slit? I'd think a faster/painless death would be better for the quality of meat. Always thought the nerves and adrenaline of stress was bad for meat tenderness
Has to do with bleeding the animal fairly quickly, and in ancient terms, a relatively fast death. Before the practice, an animal might be clubbed to death, or otherwise wounded in a way that took much longer to die. Aside from the adrenaline spoiling, ruptured organs could ruin the meat, contaminating it with bile, gut content, feces, and more. Also emphasized the importance of eating things recently killed, not slowly sickened or found dead. We're way beyond using those means to get results now
In Australia the animal must get the brain bolt before their throat is slit. They must be brain-dead and unable to perceive pain. Still technically alive to it satisfies the religious requirement.
Well I guess that's the best you could ask for, for everyone involved. As I understand it, they still slit the bolted animals here, because they want to drain the carcass out for safer processing anyway.
When we vacuum pack our portioned meat, I've taken to some fun labeling. Bovine Bits, Cow Chunks, Babe Bits, Porky Pieces, etc. It's the little things...
DefinitelyNotCrazy
Dude, Imma vegetarian, but if I got the chance to eat a T-Rex I probably would. The curiosity in me is strong like that.
polopolomarkopolopolo
Which bbq sauce would go well with T-Rex? Mesquite? Yea… a good ol’ Mesquite would…
The22ndDoctor
No amount of delicious spices would make T-rex meat any less tough, or less stringy. It's like a 4 day crock pot stew just to be edible.
kriswinters
Who says you wouldn't eat a T-Rex? The T-Rex.
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
okay so setting aside that obviously everyone would eat a t rex, chickens arent descended from t rexes, they just share a relatively recent common ancestor. all the t rexes definitely died pretty soon after the meteor, and chicken and all the other birds are descended from other smaller djnosaurs that were better suited to survive
Abistantin
Apprently t rex would taste awful because it is a large carnivorous predator and has a build up of heavy metals or something
apLundell
I know birds evolved from theropods, but I'm pretty sure that the specific theropods that evolved into birds were the small fluffy theropods, not the giant stompy ones.
executivedisfunction
Massive data gap on that theory. First 'bird' is older than any theropod. Latest actually known mutual ancestor is some crocodilian. Birds still have crocodilian hips, no Theropod does. Theropods are hip walkers, like us. Birds are knee walkers, unlike any dinosaur. Thigh bone is bound up in abdominal muscle and fascia, a prime mover for bird's unique breathing system. Bird knee acts like theropod and mammal hip. All theropods have counterbalancing tail for hip walking. No bird has such a tail.
executivedisfunction
Including all the non-flying birds who only walk/run. And there is more. Theropods and birds both have 2 fingers of the original 5 in the 'hand/wing' that get reabsorbed in the egg. Different two fingers between them.
StewedTomaters
Birds were anatomically modern by the time of the KT extinction. We just lost a ton of diversity in terms of morphology. Both in stompyness and fluffiness (and size)
LordsJokeBeast
Kinda ironic they use an apex-predator as a prop for not eating meat
spaolo3140
Any chicken will try to eat you if only It could, exacpty as a T-Rex would do, that's why I'm not shy at all about eating a chicken.
worthyone
having been bitten by a chicken... yep.
KitchenClean
The skeleton of a T-rex was found with the bones of another T-rex in its’ stomach. There’s even evidence to suggest fratricide.
lizardbones
chickens will eat the corpses of other chickens
skinkabamba
Doesn't have to be a corpse, fir them to start eating
Alonseeee
Chickens are so brutal.
PrincessWendyB
Chickens commonly eat mice which shocked the fk outta me cause I just learned it like 2 weeks ago
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
I'd definitely try a t-rex.
CinnamonBunny
They ate dinosaur too you know?
genepoolboy
Who's "they"? Other dinosaurs?
CinnamonBunny
T. Rex.
mrthewhitee
Peta posts are usually dumb. But this is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen from Peta. I dont know anyone who would not be willing to try T-Rex.
CorGoBrrrr
They were so preoccupied with whether or not you would, they didn't stop to think if you could.
darkhalfbreed
When I was a kid I saw eel sushi and thought "I'd like to eat an eel". Last Monday I saw gator fritters on the menu and said "fuck I'll eat a gator" so yes I would like to eat a Trex
19somethingand5
I would eat the fuck out of a T-Rex.
skipweasel
staceyjorgenson31415
/gallery/HaPxuL8 Fuck PETA !!
FraudulentPepsi
T-rex t-bone
GeneralNoise
I'm all about being ethical and treating animals in the best possible manner, but fuck PETA. They can eat a bag of rancid veggie dicks
worthyone
PETA really is not finding a good way to explain what they want in a compelling way to those of us who actually like meat. and hunting. and fishing.
lalwaysupvotecatsandTHT
If there'd be ANY animal that tasted like chicken...
Agwan
That’s not a T-Rex. That’s the fictional “Vastasaurus” from the Jack Black King Kong movie.
echosierra775
Look, iif it walks like a T-rex, roars like a T-rex,and tastes like chicken, it's on the menu.
LexiconDul
Me, the wife, and the kids: https://media.tenor.com/4D0yaXdqZnoAAAAC/flintstones-fred.gif
RawfishFood
A) Chickens aren’t descended from T-Rex, the branch off of Avian Dinosaurs was much earlier than T-Rex. B) T-Rex would absolutely eat chicken, no question.
Mokrar17
you forgot C) Fuck PETA.
LupusLilium
Hell, chickens would eat other chickens without a doubt.
Blackcurry328
Still fairly closely related. Avian Dinosaurs are theropods like Tyrannosaurus were.
Tychodin
well yes but not really. birds descended from maniraptoran dinosaurs that split from their last common ancestor with tyrannosaurids some 200 Mya. your claim is as accurate as saying that we're closely related to bears because we're both carnivora.
glitchead
Seals are bears :) I have nothing useful to add to this conversation but wanted to share that fun factoid.
Blackcurry328
We aren’t carnivora. We’re primates. And of course it’s not as close as us with other great apes, but despite the fact that they aren’t in the same evolutionary line, they are some of the most closely related animals to birds especially since you have to go all the way back to the clades that include crocodilians to find any evolutionary lines that that are still alive today. I’d argue my statement was more akin to the great ape being decently close to extinct monkeys in the grand scheme 1/2
Blackcurry328
of things rather than saying chickens are cousins with the T. rex. And I think that’s a fair statement considering how there are insect orders with more species in them than there are vertebrate species.
TheMightyMoto
Yummy dino
ArchSchnitz
Apparently, due to size and status as top predators, scientists have decided T-Rex would have had a high proportion of heavy metals in their flesh. They would both taste terrible and poison you in one sitting. So you might eat a Rex, but only once.
petresun
They where thought to be carrion eaters, so they probably had a type of maggot in their stomachs to help process dead flesh. No Bueno on the t-rex breast meat.
ArchSchnitz
One. One major paleontologist claims they were scavengers. There is fossil evidence of healed Rex bites. I don't put much stock in Horner's claims. In the current biosphere, predators always outweigh the scavengers. Rex may have been an opportunistic scavenger, but I highly, highly doubt it was primarily so.
petresun
I'm just thinking about the body type. I'm fairly certain they couldn't run much faster than, let's say an Elephant, it being so big and that speed would be in short bursts and mostly used for territorial behaviors. Defending land and walking a territory line.You are correct, though. Hornets claimed where purely speculative and unsupported.
echosierra775
Heavy Metal T-rex. Bitchen.
darknyght00
Came here specifically to ensure this was mentioned and upvoted
wiggadewah
LupusLilium
I was also thinking I had read that before.
cpcgamer
I'd eat a T-Rex. Imagine how much meat you could get out of just one of them
Hashbrown123
Think of the drumsticks.
Coneamahfone
They have tiny wings tho
poopsmagoo
That’s why they’re extinct!
LigerZerosMetalScratchingPost
There was an old Pinky & the Brain episode where Brain’s plan was to get money to fund cloning T.Rex for agricultural purposes, and crash the worlds poultry industry.
Magnus810
T-Rex Steak, T-Rex Burgers, Roasted T-Rex, T-Rex Lasagne, T-Rex Meat Loaf, T-Rex Jerky, T-Rex Kebap, T-Rex Schnitzel
ExTechOp
Things at the top of the food chain don't make for good eating these days because of all the environmental toxins. DDT almost killed off the large birds of prey.
wlfman
You'd likely need to store a lot of it. It'd probably rot before you could eat it all.
blinkie79
And all that lovely white meat! The breasts would be enormous and since the arms are useless it'd be so tender.
FlatPlutoSociety
Now imagine a T. Rex that has been selectively bred like a turkey to have enormous pectoral muscles like domestic turkeys.
Hyndisfox
Huge pecs, but tiny arms still?
kidfromOKwiththetuckfromMB
OmnipotentBeing
What if it was kind of gamey?
DisillusionedMe
Feed a village
C141Clay
PutItInNeutral
I eat dinosaurs all the time!
thegreatninjaman
like 2-3 Raw Prime Meats unless you use something with a much higher Meat gathering stat.
MadamPuddifoot
I've eaten gator which is basically T-Rex. They are great and DO kinda taste like chicken
ExTechOp
I've tried (farmed) alligator, which tasted like chicken but had a fish-like texture.
jesuisgur
Cladistically, chicken is closer to T-rex than gator.
Mindshard
Today you're gonna learn something new. Modern chicken tastes like nothing, that's why so many things "taste like chicken", they also have no flavor. Here's a good read explaining it if you're interested. https://nypost.com/2015/04/26/why-nothing-especially-chicken-tastes-like-it-used-to/
Hashbrown123
So the Matrix was right?
Feralkyn
So lemme just point something out: this is ONLY factory-farming which is p. much ONLY in the US to this extent. Anywhere else in the world, chickens are relatively normal, and taste like... chicken. They definitely have a taste. And from what I've heard from an African dude who explained it to me, crocodiles absolutely taste like fishy chicken. Which APPARENTLY taste like hippo meat (which was the first thing he compared it to until I told him "what??").
SithElephant
Tammy would.
stygiansojourn
This movie is an abortion
ArkoneAxon
No, abortions are by definition unfinished. This would be the equivalent of a live birth that showcases the need for ready access to abortion. @.@
FraudulentPepsi
"A teen learns that a scientist implanted her dead boyfriend's brain into an animatronic dinosaur." Well, okay then.
Cataleast
Yeah, it's... an experience for sure. Great for a bad movies appreciation night with friends.
Apeofdeath
A modern retelling of Romeo and Juliet
FraudulentPepsi
"Tammy, oh Tammy. I'm a robot dinosaur now, yo"
Deleteded
If I'm not mistaken, Paul Walker is the boyfriendasaurus.
Tychodin
oh i thought this was maybe velocipastor. now i'm disappointed it's not.
BobbyBobbston
I mean, probably wouldn't. Carnivore meat doesn't usually taste very good, as far as I've heard.
lizardbones
ive heard dog tastes pretty nice, but i have no personal experience
RunawaySpoons
Fair point.
LupusLilium
Time travel vs genetic clone raised in modern times would also be a factor I'd guess. IIRC there was a thing about possible high levels of heavy metals back then making dinosaur meat likely toxic to us now.
staceyjorgenson31415
Long pork ??:)
TiffanyKorta
Long Pork tastes too much like Soylent Green for my tastes!
Dagordae
Omnivore. Which, well, so are pigs.
Agwan
Pork Pork.
beAbetterperson7
T-Rex arms would be the ultimate buffalo chicken wings.
mrthewhitee
Imagine those drum sticks the size of a car though...
georgedragonslayer
What's your point? Fred did it, and he had to get it on his car that was made of rock and then just run to make it back to his house with his kids and wife not helping.. Anyways.
NateintheNorth
Buffalo T-Rex Wings sound great
georgedragonslayer
shmerdaburrdaburr
salikarn
Nah, too much muscle, not enough fat content
TheMobilePengwing
Unless you let Kobe farmers do their magic….
koflan
How much fat content does the average T-Rex have?
salikarn
I'm pretty sure scientists have determined T-Rex arms were pretty much pure muscle relative to their body. I got no sauce, but pretty sure I read that somewhere. If I'm wrong, oh well.
MarkySpaceMagnet
You're got my upvote.
j0lt78
I got into a debate with someone who was vegan and one of the arguments was essentially "You only eat meat because you think it comes from a store. You wouldn't eat meat if you had to hunt and kill it yourself!" So I thought "You know, you're right! If I'm going to eat meat, I should be willing to hunt and kill it myself!" So that's how I started hunting.
StewedTomaters
And then the entire bus erupted in applause
j0lt78
...yeah, I didn't immediately shoot an animal in front of them.
StewedTomaters
I'm just finishing your "Conversation I Had with a Vegan" story. The one where you really burned them. So cool /s
j0lt78
That's nice. What burn are you even talking about? I agreed with their premise. Fuck off with your too cool cynicism.
Alonseeee
I raise my own chickens for eggs and meat and I process them myself.
TheSecondPiewackit
I had the same argument except I was already farming. "I kill my own turkeys, and let me tell you, they'd love the idea they became food."
tinybartender
"I'd kill *you* to eat this in peace. You don't know me."
Ibeenhanginaround
[…] vegans.
NateintheNorth
I only have a problem with mistreatment of animals. But if you have a problem with eating meat... take it up with whatever Maker you believe in.
Enoan
After working on a ranch I dramatically reduced how much meat I eat. I treat it as the luxury it is, not the staple the meat industry wants you to think of it as. Especially in America, mind bogglingly huge subsidies keep meat unsustainably cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if you could feed the entire human world population with the agricultural effort of American meat production. (Might dive down that rabbit hole. I already know that would be a bit complicated to solve for)
CarlosSpicyweiner
-that vegan's reaction
OmnipotentBeing
Got to love Vegans and their logic. Humans need protein, even if it is not from meat. Humans were meant to eat meat, despite what the vegans say. There was no meat substitute available when humans were hunter gatherers thousands of years ago.
potatoinorbit
We also didn't have toilets back then but I prefer that to shitting in a hole in the woods. Things change.
OmnipotentBeing
My point was, be a vegan if you like, but don't make stuff up, like saying that humans were not meant to eat meat. We started off as predators, and we were meant to eat meat. We need protein to survive. There are benefits to being a vegan, yes. I respect the choice of those who choose to be vegan.
potatoinorbit
A lot of projection going on there. The argument in the comment you replied to was that if you eat meat you should be prepared to kill the animal yourself. We were not "meant" to eat meat. We were meant to eat whatever the fuck we could. And yes, we need protein to survive but protein is not only found in meat. Protein is made up of amino acids that are also found in plants. I can respect your choice to eat meat but not you hiding behind made up stuff up like "we were meant to".
iPerish
I also wouldn’t do my own surgery but I’ll let a professional hop in there
Doismellbacon
Delicious
zackingsman
That an on brand username
cybermage256
I grew up wringing chicken necks, watching them run, then plucking them before Mom cooked them. Steep in boiling water to loosen the feathers, btw.
DorianHyde92
Vegans get winded trying to dig turnips out of lose soil and are angry because persistence hunting takes less energy than taming the climate, the water cycle, and the soil so they can grow enough cauliflower to make a shitty pizza crust
IceNein
Vegans are almost universally city folks. They don’t seem to be aware of how big hunting is in America. Maybe they don’t realize that you absolutely have to bleed out a deer when you kill it. Pretty sure you pull out and discard the entrails too.
rulerofthedingdongs
My husband worked briefly in meat plants doing inspections. It took him 4 visits before he decided to hunt for our meat.
georgedragonslayer
Yep. Food good.
spacecowboyein
I had this same line of thought, but all I had available were the rats that my friend was overbreeding. Was seriously contemplating making some rat soup for a while.
coquecigrue
That's a stupid argument, on both sides imo. Why don't I eat meat? Because I don't like to kill living beings. I like them to stay alive. And ecological reasons, too. But mostly the life thing.
Cptbluebeard7
I'd ask em if they wanted home made venison and talked about hunting every time they brought it up again. There's legitimate reasons to not like eating meat, but don't think calling someone ignorant, or straight up dumb, is going to change their mind on the subject.
JustAnotherCynicToo
"No, you only ate meat because you thought it came from a store. I know that animals are killed and butchered to get there. One of us lived in a fantasy world and couldn't come to terms when reality was thrust upon them!"
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If deer dont die a violent death the two other options are disease or they starve to death when their teeth wear out and they can't eat food anymore: https://youtu.be/C_uC2YfFzps
RabeMeansRaven
This argument is rhetorical. You wouldn't live in a house if you had to build it yourself. You wouldn't drink water if you had to go to the stream and get it yourself.
Bhargo
I toss back that I HAVE hunted my own meat before, the only reason people dont do that know is it isn't realistic for everyone to be all hunter-gatherer if we society to be a thing. They know that though, the arguments were never meant to be in good faith anyway.
j0lt78
Oh, absolutely!
Calicious
Only eating meat you hunt or farm yourself is a very ethical and sustainable path. Plus, you get to give them cute names, like "Salad" and "Carrots", so you can make it sound like you're eating healthy when in reality you're gorging on pork belly
MATSUEMADNESS
Always thought that way myself, never actively seeked it out cause can't be fucked trying to get a gun license. Then I was working on a farm and they asked if I wanted to help cull some of the older ones.... shiet guess I gotta do it then. Sliced neck, grab feet and hang it in a upside down traffic cone to drain the blood. Then the rest of the processing as well, I love chicken, favourite meat
Vikingtransgirl
You can Never kill enough dear. Forest destroying little bastards.
UncleBuckFutter
It's deer, dear
req4adream99
If only there was a natural predator of deer, one that could take out the sick and old or the young that have poor genetics. Man, it’d b super awesome if such a predator existed. Oh well. I guess killing the animal w the largest rack or is healthy is just gonna have to suffice.
Euchre
We kill around as many, or more deer with vehicles as we do with hunting. Vehicle deaths are often more brutal, slow affairs, and include property damage and even human death as a consequence. I'd rather shoot a deer than run one over.
Vikingtransgirl
theInfinitelyProlonged
Same. I hunt cows. They're so easy. They just stand there, out in the open, and let you walk right up to them.... Then BAM!
5ynic
As a vegetarian, I respect that.
StewedTomaters
Most do, IME. This is a straw man/ "and the whole bus clapped" situation.
SkamanSam
I grew up in a family of hunters, on a small farm. I know all too well where my food comes from. I have never once thought of being vegan because i know humans aren't vegans by nature. It's the mass production of meat that makes me sad.
Itotallygetthatreference
I was eating deer jerky a friend brought into the bar we hung out at & a guy at the bar eating a burger and fries said to me that I shouldn’t eat it if I wouldn’t hunt and kill it. I asked how many cows he’s killed & how many potatoes he’s dug up. He paused and hit me with an honest to god “…touché.”
j0lt78
@StewedTomaters quick, tell us all about how the bar clapped!
Itotallygetthatreference
Yeah, everything is made up and nothing ever happens. 🙄
j0lt78
lol, right?
StewedTomaters
Are you still thinking about me? I've forgotten about you.
ImCommanderShepardandthisismyfavoritepostonthefrontpage
Had a vegan say that to me once, I just maintained eye contact while pulling out my hunting license. Didn't have much to say after that.
Saxxon92
Also, I don't like that analogy, just because I wear shoes doesn't mean I'd want to make them myself
IWasACatAllAlong
Animals, right? Right?
j0lt78
CrazyGingerAle
Does this vegan person have there own garden?
j0lt78
I didn't ask.
Evern
I had someone try and pull the "BuT dO yOu UsE eVeRy PaRt Of ThE aNiMaL?!" freakout. Yes I do - as much as I can. Certain things like brains and livers aren't safe but hearts, kidneys, bones and scraps all get used, and I keep a bag of frozen wings/backs/legs from small game birds to make *the best* "chicken" stock for soup and sauces. I don't need to "buy it from a store".
cybermage256
Chicken livers and giblet gravy. Yum.
Hyndisfox
Factory farming also uses every part of the animal. Nothing goes to waste. Mechanically separated meat is the remains after its been butchered. Cartilage is used to make gelatin. Even the bones are ground up and used.
cuzitsthere
Is wild liver unsafe? I mean, I can't stand liver anyway so I never bothered to find out... Good catfish bait, though
Evern
Where I live it’s not safe or recommended to eat venison/moose liver. Now for years ours got used anyway, my great uncle always ate it and was in his 80s (and then had terminal skin cancer) so he really didn’t care or worry.
MandalorianHybrid1
Hell, a vegan should actually support hunting more than most farming anyway. It's free-range, all natural and the death a hell of a lot quicker.
Noevilgifs
Adrenaline ruins the meat, slaughter houses literally have the cow go through a winding path then curtain and get a nail to the forehead to prevent any adrenaline buildup. so depends on what you mean by 'deaths quicker' are they dead when they are put into the path or when the nail turns their brain into mush
GigiDundas
I've known a handful of vegan/vegetarian folk who would eat wild game meat if it was offered to them.
LiteralFish
You'd think. But every vegan I've asked says it's the same because they still die. And one told me humans aren't part of nature. The stereotype exists.
Hazearil
Death is not per se slower for all butchers.
Euchre
"captured bolt gun" - yes, a slaughterhouse can be as fast and clean as a good shot from a hunter.
zeiji
as a vegetarian i do, cus as much as it is a "moral" thing for me, i'm as much a concern about the environmental impact, that fucks way more animals then hunting.
IceNein
We absolutely need to revolutionize our agriculture. All of it. What caused the insect die off that is happening? Mass insecticide use certainly doesn’t help. Not to mention ammonia is made from natural gas, and had a huge carbon footprint.
warmhandsduke
Co-founder of PETA said exactly that to me once: he'd rather people not eat meat, but if they are then hunting is absolutely the best route to take. I think responsible husbandry is also a good, more reliable option but industrial farming has taken over.
MisuseOfLiterally
Most vegans actually supports this a lot more. I have a sort of curse that for the last decade, every girl I dated/been a relationship with was either vegan or vegetarian. All of them didnt care about me eating meat and are just mostly happy that I only eat meat a couple times a week. An ethical way to get your meat is fine with most of them
jzbstl
My brother is vegan, but he has said that he’d consider hunting or eating meat from hunting. He’s just very against the factory farm conditions and the environmental impact.
CuddlyPervert
Environmental impacts is why i try and eat more chicken and less beef. Vegan would be better, but for my level of energy, its low hanging fruit.
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Absolutely valid, yeah. Factory farming is just cruelty for profit. It doesn't taste better, grow better, or even really cost that much less for the consumer, but those corps get to rake it in. I've raised my own pigs, cows, sheep, goats, chickens, horses, the whole lot. Yeah it's work, and of course city folk can't be doing this on their small plots, but there's no reason healthily farm raised meats couldn't be the mandated norm.
Mxlespxles
If you're a decent marksman....
Nathanyel
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Hyndisfox
Thats a great argument for gun classes, including both gun safety and marksman training. Gun ranges for everyone!
UndeadGopher
Even then. Id rather bleed out from a gut shot than get eaten by a pack of wolves
OmnipotentBeing
Why not both?
Mxlespxles
I'd rather be shot than die of starvation, too.
monkeydwolfwood
Right and some predators tend to disembowel and start eating their prey before killing them.
MandalorianHybrid1
Bears are rumored to prefer live prey, eating the limbs first.
Cptbluebeard7
Some forget that hunting is a good way to control populations too. We killed off many of their natural predators so now we have to keep them from wiping out their own food sources with pure numbers.
UndeadGopher
The story about wolves being reintroduced to yellowstone is super interesting. Just by their hunting they changed the course of rivers, brought dozens of species back, and lots of other helpful things.
WheezyLex
That’s the dumbest argument plus the assumption that you don’t know where meat comes from is deeply insulting. I’d be insulted. 🤷♂️
Jrguitarguy
Insulted, and hungry...
FlippedOut
Should turn it back. "How long did it take you to learn where meat came from?"
MCFLYYY
Right what condescension, they assume you're a child and don't know your chicken nuggets come from real chicken. Otherwise you'd obviously be vegan like they are. Cue the Michael Scott "now I'm going to eat meat even harder/ that's what she said."
WheezyLex
😂
hadtochangemyusernamecauseIgotdivorced
And venison/bison is better than beef anyway.
litelbrown
Disagree
Euchre
It is a shame we didn't figure out a method of large scale harvest for free roaming herds of bison. We didn't need to drag millions of cattle across the middle of a country covered in millions of bison. Periodic harvest of a carefully limited nature, combined with some captive farming, and we could be eating leaner, healthier meat today.
GigiDundas
Cows are slow dumb animals because we've bred them to be that way over centuries. Sure there's a few smart ones, and they move quickly enough when they have murder on the mind, but when you compare them to bison it's like comparing an f150 to an abrams tank. Buffalo ranching is extremely dangerous and requires a very heavy built infrastructure for when you need to work them for anything. Bison was never going to replace beef as a reliable source of meat no matter which way history went.
StewedTomaters
Bison, maybe (it's pretty lean). Venison can be good, but it's an acquired taste. Elk is different from whitetail deer.
hadtochangemyusernamecauseIgotdivorced
Agreed. I prefer Elk and Moose actually. Backstrap and moose pepperoni are my top notch.
StewedTomaters
Is that like a pizzle stick?
GigiDundas
I've eaten a lot of both as well as mule deer and love them all but elk is by far my favorite meat.
HUGHgReaction
It's good to connect with nature that way. I think it does make you respect where meat comes from more. They should show more videos of meat packing plants too. It us important to see that. Currently it is illegal in the states to show those meat packers in a bad way. Maybe they would clean up their act and people would waste less of it.
Euchre
Don't know of any law making it illegal to show how a slaughterhouse works. I've seen a kosher slaughter at a meat packing plant, and that throat slitting is not an 'instant' death, as some have been indoctrinated to believe. They buck and kick as they bleed out, which may take less than a minute, but it isn't nearly so clean and merciful as a captive bolt to the brain. That video is out there, and I've never heard of anyone being arrested for it.
HUGHgReaction
https://awionline.org/legislation/anti-whistleblower-ag-gag-legislation. So they say it is to prevent unauthorized recordings but it is so people don't see how nasty it can be. Look up the trouble Opra got into just by making a comment about slaughter houses. The industry went after her for millions. It is quite obvious the law ishere to prevent people from discussing or knowing what is going on. I think k most people would demand change. I eat meat every day so I am not a tree hugger
kaoticgirl
Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to record (secretly) inside the slaughterhouse. Which means when you share it, you've shared illegally obtained footage because of course no one would ever give permission.
HUGHgReaction
That's exactly it.the packers will give a nice sanitized recording of the process. Or maybe not, I don't think I have ever seen one.
ralentar
The bolts don’t kill a lot of the time, they concuss them. When the bolt fails they have electric chainsaws to finish them off. *supposedly* the slit causes instant shock if the arteries are severed and leads to less physical pain. Idk why there isn’t a hydraulic guillotein for cows
tibbs3d
Any reason for the slit? I'd think a faster/painless death would be better for the quality of meat. Always thought the nerves and adrenaline of stress was bad for meat tenderness
IGiveSauce
It's a requirement for the meat to be considered Kosher to some. It's called Shechita, I think.
Euchre
And pretty much the same for halal.
Euchre
Has to do with bleeding the animal fairly quickly, and in ancient terms, a relatively fast death. Before the practice, an animal might be clubbed to death, or otherwise wounded in a way that took much longer to die. Aside from the adrenaline spoiling, ruptured organs could ruin the meat, contaminating it with bile, gut content, feces, and more. Also emphasized the importance of eating things recently killed, not slowly sickened or found dead. We're way beyond using those means to get results now
SqueakShow
In Australia the animal must get the brain bolt before their throat is slit. They must be brain-dead and unable to perceive pain. Still technically alive to it satisfies the religious requirement.
lsama
Did you know that almost every animal has just enough brain to tan its own hide?
kaoticgirl
Yes.
Euchre
Well I guess that's the best you could ask for, for everyone involved. As I understand it, they still slit the bolted animals here, because they want to drain the carcass out for safer processing anyway.
SqueakShow
Ditto. The animal still has to be bled. Just minus the prayer part.
TheMobilePengwing
I grew up on a farm and ate the piglet i nsmed for xmas as a ham. Your move vegan….
coquecigrue
I don't like to kill living beings.
TheMobilePengwing
Then… don’t? Going to be hard eating anything at all though…
coquecigrue
Tell me you don't know anything about the subject without telling me you don't know anything about the subject.
TheMobilePengwing
You’re telling me that plants are not living?
Euchre
I've known a few home (not my home, a friend's) raised cattle I've eaten, by name. The ironically named Hungry tasted very good.
averageNerdyGuy
I named a pig bacon, then made him into bacon and ate him. He was delicious.
Euchre
When we vacuum pack our portioned meat, I've taken to some fun labeling. Bovine Bits, Cow Chunks, Babe Bits, Porky Pieces, etc. It's the little things...
averageNerdyGuy
Amazing. I’d buy those.