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clubracer
The best thing we ever did was move out of an HOA neighborhood.
DavidHoag
I'd like to fight some old HOA hags in the colosseum.... poke em with spears and feed em to the tigers.
TiaBohBia
don't buy property in an hoa
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
Some towns are almost exclusively HOA & if your job & family must live there, HOAs are basically compulsory & that’s bullshit!
manyslayer
I like the one i saw where they painted a mural of their garbage cans on the fence they had to install.
Drix1942
HOAs are detestable thrones of power for losers.
Sm9yCg
Why not slap a life-size picture of the trashcan on the fence so you know that the fence hides the can in full compliance with the commune?
Lamech777
Why is the middle panel taller ...... oh, it's a middle finger to the HOA
dghughes
A neighbour keeps two bins right in the middle of their front lawn surrounded w/ pizza boxes. Hate HOAs but some people just don't care.
Richter12x2
It may still be covered by city/county ordinance. HOAs demand your grass be less than 2 inches, but even city won't usually let it be 3 feet
CreepyPhlox
Contact the city. They usually have an ordinance about trash. My city doesn’t even let you keep your bin out a certain time after pickup.
Gnoll
That's the thing that gets me. Most cities have sufficient rules already. HOAs turn into what color you can paint your house and shit.
derekjohn
'Land of the free' - I think not.
oohhbehave
You're free to choose to not live in that neighborhood.
eXoRainbow
Millenelmonster
bravo
warhawk7
HOA told a neighbor their curtains were a bad color. Turned out, he bought a fully furnished model home and the curtains had come with it.
arcenlapin
Some folks I worked with bought a shitty house in a shitty neighborhood and got bitched at about their black fence (oh god no! The horror!)>
arcenlapin
>by someone during an HOA meeting, when it was approved in the plans from the beginning. The scenario is ridiculous, but I kind of don't >>
arcenlapin
>>care since they were annoying, uppity asshats, and that's what you get.
Gnoll
MY neighbor who was the HOA lead dude tried to tow my car for being parked in my space too long over a 4 day weekend.
arcenlapin
My parents lived next to their HOA cunt. She left a nasty-gram on my car window bitching about "who's car is this?!". The thing is it was>>
arcenlapin
>>parked RIGHT in front of their house. Like who's fucking car do you think? She was home all day and waited until my dad was done working>>
arcenlapin
>>in the garage and closed the door to tape it to my window. Lady was a psycho bitch.
Gnoll
Ridiculous. It's a power trip for insecure people. This reminded me that later my car got stolen. I ended up getting a new car that was 1/
ImpossibleAgenda
What happens if you don't pay HOA dues?
darkdragonempress
They can put a lien on your house and sell it out from under you.
ImpossibleAgenda
How do they have that authority though?
darkdragonempress
Because they make you sign a contract that allows them to.
Imaravencawcaw
If you're not an asshole, then the key is being on the HOA board and therefore making the board not full of power hungry assholes.
arcenlapin
I'm glad our HOA doesn't give a fuck. We can plant whatever we want, we can *not* mow our grass for idk how long, and park on the curb.
arcenlapin
But we also have a nice entrance, and a nice, quieting fence from the main road.
kutkospare42
I got so lucky that my "HOA" Is just... The park management (trailer park) they're strict about like, subletting but do our trash and roads
zutty
I thought America was the land of freedom? HOAs sound like an absolute nightmare. How do any of you tolerate it?
mycatToastwasafatasshole
I feel like HOAs were created by landlords bc they want to retain as much profit with as little effort as possible for each home.
Gnoll
The people who love HOAs are largely the same people who think value is determined by affluence.
MyRealNameIsKaren
The freedumb crowd's favorite "freedom" is the "freedom" to control others.
azimir
America is not a land of freedom. It's got veins of it for well off white people. The rest struggle to be left alone and thrive.
Booniecat
We are trying to buy a home now with an HOA...for us, the tipping point was the low monthly fee + reasonable rules...
happytreeleaf
Omg you monster! ;)
Booniecat
...available online. They have parks, playgrounds and fields for the kids, and its a fully walkable neighborhood. For me, the ability...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
When a walkable neighborhood is something that isn't normal, you know city planning has failed miserably
Booniecat
Absolute miserable failure is an excellent description.
Booniecat
...to live somewhere with those benefits is worth it. Plus its a foreclosure and a massive good deal. Hope the HOA is chill as they seem now
zutty
Did the HOA build/fund those ameneties or are they just holding them hostage? To me, these are what local government is for.
Longbowgun
I just put mine in the garage.
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
I don’t want my stinky garbage cans in my garage & to have to open/close garage everytime to remove/replace them…?♀️
alpal76
Paint the fence to look like a trash can...
downvoteacct
If I were ever elected president, I would push to outlaw HOA’s.
Starfury42
When we bought (1994) told the real estate agent "NO HOA"
backrideup9
Gotta hide the trash cans, but that satellite dish/AC/electrical box monstrosity is OK? So glad I'm too poor to live in an HOA.
DisgruntledFerret
There's plenty of reasons HOAs are dumb, but that's not one. Call me when a raccoon knocks over your satellite dish and steals parts of it.
no1uvconsequence
I kinda wish they had shortened the far left or right picket/slat… ?
3dartwork
Not just HOA who can suck my dick, but neighborhood associations who like to tell others how their house should be. Fuckoff.
lamontcranston
how would they fine them when they are not a government?
Dcwalker30
A developer owns a bunch of land, they want to put 8,000 homes on the land and make $1B. They file their Covenants with the state, according
Dcwalker30
to state statutes, which establish the "rules" for all land owners on their development. They know it takes time to build 8,000 homes so
Dcwalker30
they need the place looking top notch the entire time so people keep buying properties. The rules typically govern things like house colors
Dcwalker30
landscape maintenance, and generally not looking like a trailer park. All of this keeps the neighborhood looking nice, so they can keep
Dcwalker30
moving units. Once that's done, the covenants could be dissolved, but state statutes will typically dictate something like 2/3 majority.
EvilKrikkit
You sign a bunch of papers agreeing to do what the HOA wants when you buy a house in an HOA controlled neighborhood.
lamontcranston
well what if the seller doesn't want to deal with that, or the buyer refuses?
KnifeKnut
Not entirely accurate but close enough
skipweasel
Ah, the Land of the Free. Sod that.
waluigiknowsyourehigh
Where you voluntarily enter a neighborhood and agree to it, sure
FrogBotherer
As I understand it, sometimes there's not much choice. https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/hoa-statistics
JustFeedMePieDammit
I know right? It’s ducking madness
lamontcranston
My guess is it was devised in the 1950s/'60s to keep certain "undesirables" out
anyofmany
but why would you have to do that? (the signing)
StillNotYouTube
You have to, if you want to buy it.
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
because the person who owns the house signed a form saying they wouldnt sell it unless the buyer signed the forms
TinyLiehon
Say you want to read it & take it home.Return with a new version that you made. If they sign without checking the fine print that's on them.
PoorBoyChevelle
Home closures usually occur sitting at a table in the span of an hour on boilerplate forms
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
yeah so there are actual lawyers involved in home closings and actual legal clauses so good luck with wile e coyote shenanigans
anyofmany
I am really glad there are no HOAs in Germany. I also don‘t know how an entity besides the government can make such demands legally
ecobuckeye
You should see the junkyards that Americans call a front yard.
theschnubbeldidupp
As a german: we don't need no HOA, we have neighbours ;)
arthurvanhoudt
NL here: Germans have Wohnungseigentümergemeinschaft which has some similarities like the Dutch VVE’s!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
And don't dare to make any noise on Sundays in Germany.
Karilyn
HOAs conceptually are not very different from Unions. Just over nonsense like this, instead of pay, benefit, and job safety.
HaloArchitect
It's like an EULA for when you buy the property.
Mithi
Good things most EULA's a 100% worthless in Germany.
HaloArchitect
My impression is that's also true of HOAs?
ymwfxqp4mu7
Habe you ever heard of „Eigentümerversammlung“ or „Kleingartenvereinsvorstand“? Typical German Assholery. Greetings from Berlin! ?
symbholic
True, but I think it is because they are actually the owners and you rent (pachten) it from them, at least for Kleingärten?
fuerstfux
There are similar things, when you have a WEG for example.
fitgirl1
But you also have a different populace. When we looked at a property, the neighbor had built a fake ish watchtower with a dummy holding /1
fitgirl1
A rifle pointed at the street. Imagine those pictures of trumpers with vehicles plastered with signs/decals but as a property.
MosesSupposesHisToesesAreRosesButMosesSupposesErroneously
You mean Eigentümergesellschaften don't exist? Das ist mir neu.
CandidGamera
Any entity you sign a contract with specifying they can make such demands.
StillNotYouTube
You agree to their authority when you buy.
Mithi
Because they are a legal entity. In Germany no such entity can exist, hence no HOA.
carmeCookieRunner
You agree to their authority so you can be allowed to buy.
carmeCookieRunner
Agree can be a bit of a misnomer.
vindik8or
You probably do have something similar to run shared amenities in places like apartments or certain housing estates.
optimusgoose
It's called strata in Canada, and some of them can fuck right off. We sold our place to move into a freehold strictly to get away from them.
optimusgoose
It wasn't easy, and it really sucks that that's not an option for most.
BethMme4
Yeah, their primary purpose is tasks like maintaining the common spaces, like playgrounds and basketball court, sometimes also a pool.
anyofmany
there are associations for condos- but they work completely different
damogen
They work however the members agree that they work. Which Americans apparently can't handle
Raziel420
Everyone essentially agrees to create a sub-government to boss just your closest neighbors around "amicably".
mangohuckleberry
Yeah, it's so property prices don't tank due to some asshole painting their house hot pink. Good HOAs are dope. Bad HOAs ruin the concept.
BaelKor
Why the fuck should they care about property prices?
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
ALL HOAs are shite! It’s not mine or anyone else’s business what color someone chooses to paint their house…?♀️
Raziel420
Instead property prices can continue to climb endlessly despite every other thing in existence devaluing over time.
mangohuckleberry
I never said this? But if you're a loser middle classer and have your largest chunk of change in your house, you want prices to not tank.
darkdragonempress
To be frank, there’s something inherently wrong with thinking a non standard color lowers the value of surrounding houses. The location 1
mangohuckleberry
It's not about thinking it. It's literally a fact. You can take issue with society but don't pretend I'm wrong when the data says I'm right.
darkdragonempress
I literally just said there’s something inherently wrong with that type of thought process.
darkdragonempress
Hadn’t changed. The house itself has not changed. Same space and design. An XD color choice doesn’t invite pests or create any unhealthy 2
darkdragonempress
Or unsafe living situations. So caring about the color is honestly you being the asshole because they are picking a color they like. You 3
iamthugnasty
I think an hoa can be good. I also think that more often than not they take things too far and get power hungry.
OldJedi
Considering they were formed to maintain segregation and keep undesirables out, it never started with good intentions.
iwillfinishyoulikeacheesecake
THIS. Everyone seems to forget the incredibly ugly history of HOAs. And oftentimes they are still used to keep out undesirables.
blerghcity
In theory is good. In practice most often it attracts the type of people who would abuse it
RufusPimperton
From my experience, it's a bigger job then people realize. The only people with time do head them are retirees in need of a hobby.
RedRatchet765
And then they become micro managing jackwagons
poochyena
How can it be good? If a neighbor is so trashy that its an ACTUAL problem, then the local government gets involved. You don't need an hoa
Theappwontletmelurk9000
HOAs created as a regulatory body almost always suck ass. Some HOAs are necessary based on the developer's plans amd are good.
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
^THIS!^ It’s nitpicking at bullshit! Any major violations that lower property values or are unsafe are covered under city/county ordinances.
historymaker121
I live in a neighborhood with one. Nobody follows the rules in ours. The dues pay for the upkeep of the common areas.
RoninOni
Nah. They can all fuck off
Theappwontletmelurk9000
Some HOAs are absolutely necessary. i.e. Developer builds units on shared property (which creates cheaper housing for families).
RoninOni
That’s just a developer setting up property for permanent income. Fuck them too
Theappwontletmelurk9000
That's not accurate. Developers generally build then sell ad nasuem. HOA owns the land and members own the buildings in that situation.
Theappwontletmelurk9000
Your anger is blinding you from the truth that some HOAs are good. Mine gave 12 low income families the opportunity to have a home.
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MrAdamArce
It has more to do with how HOA's are formed. They need a foundation of rules that limits any future power. Most don't do this unfortunately
backrideup9
Property taxes. You're thinking about property taxes. That's what the city is supposed to do w/some of that - make common areas pretty.
Astramancer
HOAs require time to run and people have their own lives to live. So inevitably HOAs will eventually be run by those who don't have a life
Astramancer
until the time cost of ignoring the HOA exceeds the time cost of running it, at which point the losers are run out and the cycle begins anew
ArgentMaid
That might be survivorship bias, you don't really hear about functional HOAs, just the authoritarian ones
SmoeAhsolse
Not relevant to your point, which is a good one, would this be survivorship or selection?
iamthugnasty
Right. I've seen neighborhoods where some people almost never cut their lawn. And have junk and trash spread all around the yard.
iamthugnasty
In those cases a hoa is a good solution to something most people would agree is a problem. But I've seen hoas do much worse things than that
poochyena
but its not!! You don't need an hoa to protect from that. Most cities have laws that require basic upkeep of yards
TinyLiehon
Leave your lawn alone! Mowing kills the bees & butterflies https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pollinator-park_en
LordLumpy
Long grass gives life a space!
LordLumpy
If it's not your property its not your problem. Why does the length of someone's grass impact your life?
poochyena
Increases pests like roaches and mice. Conceals pests like snakes making it dangerous to walk near. Increase fire risk during droughts
LordLumpy
Snakes aren't pests. Also assumes said owner can't keep their property clean, lol.
iamthugnasty
Well, having one bad looking house in a neighborhood can lower property value and make selling a house harder. Meaning the neighbors houses
iamthugnasty
Could actually be worth less on evaluations because of the neighborhood. It also causes issues with pests that can spread to neighbors.
DrKriegersClone
It grows weeds that blow seeds on nearby land, for one. If your neighbour is leaving waist-high thistles thistles alone, you're going to 1/
TinyLiehon
There's no thing like weeds. It's all food for the bees and butterflies. Mowing lawns is killing their biomes
DrKriegersClone
2/ have lots of little baby thistles to deal with on your side of the property line. Plus tall grass is great tick habitat.
B4DF15H2
Why do people choose to live in these communities? Honest question. It sounds so stressful to have garbage can police.
StillNotYouTube
Most of them aren't like this and they maintain common areas.
oohhbehave
Easy, if you take care of your property, you shouldn't have a problem with HOA.
darkdragonempress
Except a lot of rules go far beyond simply taking care of property. The color of paint you chose to use for example. Or leaving your empty 1
oohhbehave
HOA is kind of a neighborhood Democratic process. Get involved if you don't like how things are.
darkdragonempress
Garbage bins out on trash day until you get home from work. Seriously imagine getting fined because you go to work at 8 but garbage cans 2
darkdragonempress
Get picked up at 9 and expected to be put back by 10. You know, while you are at freaking work. 3
oohhbehave
For good reason. Your community has agreed to specific standards. If you disagree with them, engage with your HOA and suggest changes.
darkdragonempress
Except one of the specific issues is that not everyone has the time it takes to be completely active. And it’s absurd to expect people to 1
darkdragonempress
Take limited free time or straight up sacrifice needed time to stop others from being controlling dicks. No organization should be able to 2
IStoleALoafOfBread
It was the only area that we could afford for the type of house and yard we wanted, close to work, and close to good schools
IStoleALoafOfBread
Not to mention, it's really hard to find areas without HOAs around us. So, it seemed inevitable.
B4DF15H2
So you agree to join the HOA when you buy? Like joining a union at a job where it's compulsory? I'm sorry. I'll keep my rednecks.
IStoleALoafOfBread
I don't know about unions, but yes you agree when you buy/build. In my experience the HOA is compulsory, no opting out.
Solkanarmy
joining a union is very different as it's overwhelmingly a good thing to do
PoorBoyChevelle
Can be. Being a UFCW member making 6/hr part time and paying 9.25/wk didnt feel good
B4DF15H2
You're not wrong. It can go a lot of ways. By, and large though, you're better off with than without.
B4DF15H2
I was only comparing the 2, so I have a point of reference to understand there is no choice. I'm a union carpenter.
Solkanarmy
fair enough
30H1PPU5
Because they like to be the garbage can police and only get angry when THEY are the ones being picked on. Then the rules are dumb.
pcwhatley
when a neighbor drops a doublewide in the front yard, you will wish there was an HOA.
LordLumpy
And why should any sane person care what they put on their lawn? Its their property, what right do you have to interfere?
B4DF15H2
No I won't. Can't imagine giving a shit about other people's aesthetic.
PoorBoyChevelle
Jokes on you Ive lived in a single wide, thems my people
30H1PPU5
I won’t. I literally do not care in the slightest what other people do with their own property. I’d rather live next to a double wide than a
30H1PPU5
Pretentious, nosey chucklefuck any day of the week.
B4DF15H2
Fucking same. 1st world entitled plastic people concerned about such triviality.
Sternfeuer
What is a doublewide and why should i care about what the neighbor's does with their property?
B4DF15H2
A doublewide is a mobile home, as large as 2 side by side.
B4DF15H2
Worrying that other folks might be living full authentic human lives sounds so stressful.
B4DF15H2
This theory unfortunately holds some water.
30H1PPU5
Oh yeah it does. The only people who EVER defend HOAs do it by saying stuff like “yeah, but what if YOUR neighbor decided to paint their
30H1PPU5
House pink?!” Like any normal human being would get upset about things like that lol.
B4DF15H2
Vanilla ice cream every day until you die.
scissorxmextimbers
Glad we bought in a neighborhood with no hoa. Don't plan on moving unless it burns down, so I could not care less about property value.
happytreeleaf
People want to buy pretty homes in safe neighborhoods thanks to an HOA. You have the option to buy shit homes elsewhere without an HOA.
funkystay
You sound like a fun neighbor /s
FNOldGuys
Fire is against the HOA rules.... $1500 fine per day
Richter12x2
Yeah, after the last HOA told me I couldn't work on my car in my own garage if the door was open, we looked for a house with no HOA /1
Richter12x2
We had our choice of about 180 houses that met our criteria... 4 that weren't in an HOA.
dwilson0725
Ups and downs, right? I don't want to be micromanaged, but some people will leave literal trash in their yards and the city doesn't care.
90sWereGold
I'm in that situation. 2 trashy neighbors otherwise everyone else is great.
dwilson0725
Just random boxes, old detergent bottles, a printer on their porch, old appliances in the driveway. Sucks to look at... But again. Fuck HOA
Raziel420
Some cities are a bit better about it with broad nuisance laws, but some get to be just as bad as HOAs.
dwilson0725
True. Mine is the opposite. Sends me a letter for grass I was about to mow (maybe a few days later than normal?) But my neighbors is trashed
scissorxmextimbers
You agreed to that situation when you moved there
dwilson0725
I don't live in an HOA. I'm saying there are good things and bad things to living in an HOA.
90sWereGold
I agree but my next door neighbor has 2 broke down vehicles in his yard for years now and I wish an HOA Karen would take care of it for me
Flowerlady0
Be the Karen you wish there was in the world
90sWereGold
I want to be but can't bring myself to do it. Their property, their rights. I just wish they respected the neighbors more.
ilhares
Have you checked with the city to see if they're violating any ordinances? Many have them on the books already, without HOA nonsense.
90sWereGold
They are breaking an ordinance but I just can't bring myself to call them in. I'm a believer in their home their right, but it sucks
waluigiknowsyourehigh
I get it, but arguably it looks nicer with the fence covering the cans.
HanoverPhist
Yeah I get it nobody wants to live in a shitty neighborhood.
BaelKor
The thing is, those people who defend HOAs make it a false dichotomy. Either you live in a shitty neighborhood, or an HOA.
HanoverPhist
Yeah, that's shitty. I don't want a HOA, I just don't want slobs for neighbours. Lol I need new neighbours
BaelKor
Entirely fair enough.
idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
Sure does, you could also just mind your own lawn and stop looking at others.
Akurei00
I have a nearby neighbor that doesn't maintain shit and has a bush by their 2-car garage covering half the opening. That one does bother me.
isphot
you can certainly argue that. to me, imposing a barrier to function at the whim of people who don't even live in the house is ugly as fuck.
ZachariasWolfe
Yeah it looks nicer. But why impede function to hide garbage cans? Everyone knows they're there.
Sternfeuer
And nobody should give a fuck about how somebody else's property looks and trying to impose their own sense of aesthetics.
AmbroseGudmaker
This. If the bins aren't constantly overflowing and attracting pests I'm happy. Also if I don't like the color someone paints their door, >
AmbroseGudmaker
>or their choice in plants in the garden you know what I can do? Not make those choices for my door and garden.
Flowerlady0
I. love. spite. houses.
skipweasel
I've seen tales of areas deciding to have one and then trying to apply it retrospectively to all residents - with predictably funny results.
ddbrown30
Retroactively
skipweasel
Or retrospectively. "extending in scope or effect to a prior time or to conditions that existed or originated in the past especially..."
skipweasel
... : made effective as of a date prior to enactment, promulgation, or imposition retroactive tax."
ColoneISanders
That's the definition of the "retro" part but the difference between "spection" and "active" is thought and action respectively.
MajorTom0101
*rectally
BenStein40
StigNetwon
Retrorectally? Is that like the old South Park ep with Martha Stewart and the Thanksgiving turkey?
straha242
More like Lemmiwinks I reckon.
floofnmeeps
HOAs can fuck off
CandidGamera
Don't move into HOA places. "Wow, this neighborhood looks so tidy, I want to live here! ... What?! I have to abide by the stupid rules?!"
BaelKor
Many of the rules are demonstrably stupid. Telling me what color to paint my house, what flowers I can plant, having a dog, etc. Fuck that.
marsilies
Who would've guessed that something created because of racism would be horrible?
marsilies
https://jenniferrpovey.medium.com/the-racist-history-of-your-homeowners-association-a68885d656bd
Ralta
I'd be fine with an HOA that had simple rules (clean up your garbage, no insane parties after midnight etc). Shame they are all so petty.
zsefvgb
So like a neighborhood within city bylaws, but without an HOA?
Theappwontletmelurk9000
HOAs are actually necessary in some situations when a developer builds multiple units on a shared property. Someone needs to be responsible.
Gingerwithsomesoul
They can also put a lien on your home, don't buy where there is an hoa.
floofnmeeps
This is true. In most cases it's attached to the deed
Demmayyy
Yeah, we lived across the street of the president of ours… he passive aggressively trimmed our tree without asking
Gnoll
I lived in a condo and the HOA guy was my neighbor too. Woke up to a tow truck trying to take off with my car because it had been parked 1/
Gnoll
in MY parking space for too long... There was a rule saying you can't be parked in a space longer than 3 days. Ostensibly, it was to keep 2/
Gnoll
people from parking non running cars there for months, but I had a 4 day weekend, and he went full "Rules is rules" mode. Like dude we 3/
Gnoll
are LITERALLY NEIGHBORS and you see me drive to work all the time?? Why not knock on my door first before towing me? wtf? 4/4
schmonday
For real. Mine is actually very cheap and very lenient, but they have no power so why bother with them? There are dog attacks and such,
schmonday
Which is explicitly addressed in the covenant, but they can't even issue a fine to get people to keep their dogs on a leash.
JB4T5
Any body calling is contact a covenant is usually trying to get a cult started (wiccans excluded since it was appropriated from them)
apostlepk
I get how the rules can be annoying, but my HOA experience has been affordable and overall very positive. Even helped with a bad neighbor.
dcostanza1
Entities built up keep POC out / make "others" feel uncomfortable. Working as designed
Thorketil
or themselves.
PimpinKen
People always complain, but they never join the damn association where they can actually change shit like this. My cousin is on her board >
PimpinKen
And does a lot to change stupid rules and keeps the place being a decent place to live.
PimpinKen
Yes some are shitty, but like politics, if you don't vote you can't really complain.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It fascinates me that these things exist in the country that usually is all about doing whatever you want, no matter the consequences.
Theappwontletmelurk9000
Liability, liability is the reason
Nick3571
You can always tell the ones without a good one though.
IAmTheBadW01f
I'm technically part of one... It's me and the guy who owns the first floor of the building, and most decisions are made over text.
superkp
you only ever hear about bad ones, because good ones don't get talked about.
polarbearrodeo
And people pay for it willingly
Theappwontletmelurk9000
They're not all bad. My HOA covers 12 units and doesn't have any of these bs regulations. It just manages the $ & insurance for shared space
VastMajorityRule
They have started to use drones to monitor... eww
RICHARDJOKES
I do residential construction for a living and HOAs are the bane of my existance.
ColoradoCattleCo
I built a new house on my farm. I can't even describe the joy exhibited by subcontractors why they realize they don't have to deal w an HOA
ShiieetttttPedddrrrooooo
Cuz now you gotta do your job properly?
DAUKAR
You know not what you speaketh, HOA is not the building dept, BD enforces codes.
Darkspire
HOAs are made up of random bored retirees, who often have no rhyme or reason to their "standards." There are existing laws in place for
Darkspire
residential construction. Imagine trying to work around Jan the pampered pooch of a housewife's imaginary standards while making sure things
Darkspire
are up to code. I imagine it gets very stupid, very quickly.
RICHARDJOKES
nah, cause they take 30+ days to review anything and then ask questions that bear zero relevance. County slams down harder than any HOA.
EricAndresmoleonhisleftbuttcheek
Horribly Obnoxious Assholes
GravityVT
Anything that gives people power over others makes them assholes. Managers, HOAs, politicians
floofnmeeps
You're not wrong
floofnmeeps
THIS!!!
VaultGirl69
When I buy a home, I will not have neighbors that can see mine.
DisgruntledFerret
Have fun living your life somewhere in Wyoming, bud.
VaultGirl69
America is kind of super crazy these days...
VaultGirl69
I was thinking Finland. When the pandemic hit and they suggested 6 ft distancing, they joked they didn't want to stand closer to each other.
FurtiveGlancer
Spoken like a true Libertarian - let me do whatever the fuck I want... Toddler mentality... Obviously, some HOA's are bad
HOLAKOOO
Yes, thank you
BaelKor
No, not Libertarian. HOAs give nothing to a neighborhood, since they impose stupid and arbitrary fucking rules for homeowners.
Gnoll
Yeah, because its my house.
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heroesblood
"Don't buy a house in a HOA neighborhood" is not always an option, dude. HOAs are scams. All of them. All. Of. Them.
Gnoll
I didnt, and wont, because HOAs are garbage. It to has nothing to do with being a libertarian manchild. Rules about not leaving trash 1/
Gnoll
In your yard is one thing, but what color you can paint your house, the kinds of flowers you can plant, etc. Are dumb as hell. My old HOA 2/
GQPisadeathcult
Or maybe people can respect the rules they buy into when they join a HOA that most likely had clearly define rules.
iwillfinishyoulikeacheesecake
In some areas, it is very difficult to find a home that isn't in an HOA run neighborhood. It's not really a choice if it's between two HOAs.
Dcwalker30
You're being downvoted, but you're 100% right. Posts like this are the equivalent of speeding, getting a ticket, and getting pissed at cops.
Dcwalker30
"But I want to drive 130 mph, and it's almost impossible to find anywhere that will let you drive 130. Cops can fuck off!"
Dcwalker30
There's plenty of property to purchase that isn't in an HOA. It will still be in a city/county/state and guess what, they have rules too.
ProbablyNotTheDevil
HOA’s are incompatible with personal liberties.
BaelKor
Driving 130 has inherent and demonstrable health risks. Living outside an HOA doesn't. Fuck off with that false comparison.
floofnmeeps
Seriously!
URNSHOW
Hoa's are a joke. Nothing more than a organization trying to build a sanitized, bland and lifeless society. Also, the birthplace of "Karens"
Theappwontletmelurk9000
That's not the basis of HOAs, it's just become common. A lot.of HOAs do necessary work to protect the residents from legal shit.
BaelKor
A lot of them? Maybe. A majority? No.
URNSHOW
But then they become mini dictators. I bought the house. If they were paying my monthly note, then they'd have a say. Therefore, I won't >
URNSHOW
Ever buy a house in an Hoa development.
waluigiknowsyourehigh
True. Also, slob neighbors not taking care of their property can fuck off
Bananasandwiches42
Then don’t live near people?
LCMcG
I have shit neighbors with a disgusting yard. I much prefer that over some dicks fining me for dumb shit.
shorey66
Exactly. If it bothers you put up a fence. A HOA would bother me more
RemanentSky
They did. Home. Where they're allowed to live happily, without interference from arbitrary standards. JFC.
VinnieJonesDiary
Why? it's their property, let them do what they want with it.
MrBobSaget
In theory sure, but in practice it's more complicated than that.
GQPisadeathcult
Maybe they should have bought land in the country then and not in a place with a HOA. This constant belief that Americans can do…
GQPisadeathcult
…whatever they want whenever they want gets so old.
VinnieJonesDiary
It's weird that you assume everyone is American...
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
You don’t see any irony in that statement?
liveOffOfDownVotes
Who cares about their house value, right? We should all take 100k hit on our property to let Cletus fuck the neighborhood up.
RemanentSky
Property values are less important than his ability to live happily, yes.
Tierannix
You're an idiot lolol
Kitehammer
What an insane, ridiculous thing to say.
ConfessionBare
Lol. "I don't care if there are unkempt slums next to my well -taken care of home. Property values aren't real. I'm smart."
VinnieJonesDiary
1. I can't afford a house. 2. If I could it would be to live in, not to sell on, why would I care about the theoretical value? 3. Its still
VinnieJonesDiary
their property and none of my business
hobbitdude13
Only people buying investment properties give a fuck about property values. Some people want to actually live in houses, not monetize them.
NotWelcomehere
Even if you plan to live in a house until you die the value of the home is important for things like HELOCs and such.
Kitehammer
Absolutely nonsensical thing to say. You have no clue what comes with home ownership do you?
areyouelonmusk
Property values, usually
notadiddler69
Seattle area resident, HOA properties are appreciating slower than just buying land and developing. Has caused a few HOA'S to disolve
jucklin
Not allowed to park an RV or a boat in our own driveways here because eyesore. Heck they even tried making clotheslines illegal.
jucklin
Some Toronto and other neighborhoods did make clotheslines illegal but Harper (or premier?) made a law forbidding such rules.
iaminfiniteOSL
Lmao sure buddy. Except the rats they attract don't know where the property line ends.
IssacCox
Oh and the property value they drive down doesn't stop at their property line, either.
darkdragonempress
Any health and safety issue HOAs could theoretically prevent will already fall under some city or country guideline. Don’t forget HOAs 1
darkdragonempress
We’re established to keep “undesirables” out of white neighborhoods. 2
mikeatike
But thats already illegal per town ordinances, regardless of HOAs.
VinnieJonesDiary
Causing rat infestations is not being a slob, you realise that, right? And there are health and safety laws for that.
areyouelonmusk
The slobbiness is the cause in this scenario
PicklePunch
Yes, we all want to live next to the guy who doesn't cut the foot tall grass or keeps broken down cars in the driveway.
VinnieJonesDiary
1 Tall grass should be encouraged, 2 burnt out cars are a lot more than "being a slob". But great scenario u invented to win the argument!
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PicklePunch
Just saying that HoA can help maintain the look and cleanliness of the neighborhood. Not all of them are oppressive.
sicsided
This isn't an invented scenario. Shit I can look down my street and see two houses like this. I agree grass doesn't need to be "proper"
MrSisterFister
Lol, he realized his opinion is unpopular a pivoted to "we need HOAs to save the environment"
Tierannix
Because they let leaves pile up on the side of the house that gets to be 3 feet tall and any gust knocks a bunch into everyone else's yard
VinnieJonesDiary
And? It's only leaves, that sounds like a great habitat for insects, which in terms is a great feeder for birds.
Tierannix
Or a great habitat for termites which in terms is great for long lasting damage that can make or break home sales...
Tierannix
Or they install a privacy fence to "stop their dog from jumping the fence" but then completely neglect the backyard which is then rotting
Tierannix
The bottom of the privacy fence already and making our house look less likely to sell or refuses its value. Just move your mess inside
VinnieJonesDiary
You sound very nosy, why do you care what they do with their back garden? Mind your own business.