As a big nintendo fan, I had to finally stop buying from after Breath of the Wild 2. While I love the games, they are VERY expensive and their "sales" are laughable.
The thing about Nintendo games though is if you buy preowned and then sell it after beating you can basically play all the games for free or even possibly make money
2011 was when the Wii was on whatever last legs it had left, and 3DS had just barely released. Wii U was still at least a year away. So what Wii or 3DS game from 2011 was listed for $50 but was $60 in 2022 on Switch that fits this context?
A year of its online service is a third the price of a year of PSN, and still gives a lot of free shit I can play. It's no Xbox game pass but the thousands of hours I've gotten out of it have been well worth it's online. But Nintendo's business practices often do suck and they are lawsuit-happy right now which is fucking lame.
I bought physical copies of all my Switch games. Recently I've been spoiled with my Steam Deck and decided that I wanted to switch(lol) to digital on my Switch, so I don't have to constantly swap out carts for different games. Looking at the eShop, they still charge full price for Switch LAUNCH titles! It came out in 2017!
In 1999 i was graduating so no hahah it was a wild guess. it was probably more like 1994 or 5. I was working then at my first job. Started when I was 13 and I'm now 43. Remembering stuff like that is difficult but what I do remember was the price
You can still buy used games. If they re-release games, that's not zero effort. Work goes into these. But we won't need to justify anything to anyone. If you don't like the pricing, some buy it... Which you don't. All good
That depends on games. 1st party Nintendo....$10-15 less often times. Other less popular, better prices. I got a used copy of Zelda BOTW for $40. $20 less than new
I've been with Nintendo my whole life and I support this. Why? Because this gives them a reason to create timeless games that people will still want to buy 10 years later instead of just following the latest trends and create a product that everybody forgot about after a decade.
The irony of hating Nintendo so much you steal from them, which is the reason why Nintendo goes after people. You’re your own worst enemy. Like how stupid are you?!
Right? It isn't like Nintendo actively hates their fan base and destroys fan works because they can instead of embracing their fans at all(this is dripping with thick, thick, viscous sarcasm)
Oh is that why they shut down tournaments for 30 year old games no one cares about outside of the tournaments? What about the fanart they use a DMCA takedown request on?
They sent a cease and desist to suicide girls because a member put in his user profile that he likes M*****d and Z***a. No pictures of the game, no music, no ROM. Just wrote the name of two game series. N"*****o said this is an unauthorized use of their trademarks, which they don't permit on sites that are not G rated.
(Trademarks censored as N******o has not authorized me to mention them, and Imgur is, if anything, worse than a porn site.)
The workers, yes. The managers who exploit them and get rich by exploiting stupid customers, no. If you continue to pay mindlessly, you continue to support that, and that is bound to get worse (as seen countless times already, including the history that brought to this point itself). It's damaging for everyone, to the benefit of a handful of greedy shitbags.
So how is stealing the game helping? You're not helping the situation, you are just hurting the workers. Some people work on commission. Whether or not a game sells can determine if a worker keeps their job or if they get the next job. Also, a game that plays on a Nintendo system isn't necessarily made by Nintendo. There are 3rd party developers that you would be hurting by stealing, not Nintendo
Not buying (not stealing, that's another matter) helps regulate the market. Whether you like or not that 3rd parties suffer some consequences, that's in itself a consequence for adhering to a sick market that needs to be purged. Apart from that, you chose all the wrong examples. People who work on commission can find commissions from other companies. Games that aren't made by N can play on other platforms. Then there is the issue of many other platforms being sick as well, and dev companies too.
The person I replied to initially said steal. And how is Nintendo a sick market? Them shutting down uses of their IP that they don't agree with isn't wrong as it's their IP to do whatever they want with. Not all games are available on all platforms (it costs money and time to make them work on different platforms). People working on commission should get the money from people who play the game. Also you ignored the part that keeping or getting a new job is hard if your game doesn't sell
Yes, it could definitely be both, but it's really not the case currently. Those bonuses most likely just go towards the higher executives and not the game devs themselves.
Whether or not a game sells can determine if a worker gets to keep their job or if they get another job. Also some people work on commission. Stop pretending that workers don't get hurt
I mean, they removed everything from any box, no more paper, manual, map or anything. I wouldn't even be surprised if i only find a printed paper with a code to simply DL the game without even a DVR or anything else. And paying for a digital version of a game feels different. (less dust, sure, but still.) And as it is, the need to be online 24/7 to be able to even launch your game is tedious, plus the non guarantee of keeping you game forever when it's digital.
Ocarina of Time was $60 dollars when it came out in 1998, which is around $115 dollars in 2024 money. Yet people still complain that $70 dollars for tears of the kingdom was too much for a Zelda game.
The commenter was saying that the original price of $50 was actually “worth” more than the current price of 60, but as a proportion of your available money to spend, this only holds if your available money went up by the same amount (40%). If your income remained the same or close to it, then 60 is still a greater percentage of your spending money, at the time of purchase. If your income did increase by 40% then hey, that 60 is actually proportionally less and so it’s “cheaper”. But it didn’t.
So…. Nintendo is responsible for lack of ability to earn more money? Seems like they have other things to worry about than hire much money to make. But yeah…totally makes sense to blame Nintendo. You’re wicked smaht.
Yes if we just hold our hands in front of our face and look specifically at that - and nothing else - then scream loud enough that would definitely start to represent the full situation.
You genuinely that stupid? Games are far more profitable for these companies than ever. It's a download. No box, no disc, no manual, just 99.9999999% profit each sale.
Yeah, Nintendo sucks when it comes to pricing. On the flip side, though, their games aren't plagued by micro transactions, DLC, season passes, and all the other enshittification that the other major publishers are pushing. So, it's a trade-off.
their games are plagued with online feature that they shut down after a couple years, voluntary... and sometimes because they fucked up (hard coded ip of third-party servers)
They’re starting to dip their toes into it though. They’ve already done paid DLC for their last two main Pokémon games and Smash Bros characters being DLC also
Yes they are, they sold dlc for BOTW then gave those features for free in TOTK. Smash bros dlc was terribly priced, mario kart sold tracks and for a huge price but said "hey you get it free if you pay monthly for online which also should be free". Nintendo does nothing but gouge its customers moreso than it's competetors.
Zelda isn't plagued with DLC. BotW has one massive expansion for a very reasonable price, and TotK has none. Pokemon is made by GameFreaks, not Nintendo. Smash Bros is the only one I agree.
I don't understand why people complain about micro transactions, DLCs, etc. Just buy the part you want, ignore the rest. For majority of single player games, I buy the base game and never touch DLCs. The existence of those extra products have zero impact on my experience with the game.
The "zero impact" part isn't exactly true. For example, if micro transactions for in-game currency exist, you can be damn sure that getting the currency through play will be made more of a slog. The publisher is always motivated to tip the "standard" game so that the extra purchases look more attractive.
The only game it had such an impact in way was in Shadows of Morder, and they changed it after the outcry. And even if it did happen in other games, I obviously didn't notice it, so it had zero impact on me.
Right, zero impact on you, and that's fine. Other people have definitely observed changes in modern AAA games. Modern Assassins creed games are huge offenders. Modern Forza/Gran Turismo progression systems suck compared to earlier entries, so you're more tempted to buy cars. Halo 5 and Halo Infinite are basically micro transaction shops with half a game attached.
Yes, that was my comment - a personal observation on the topic at hand. I don't speak for anyone but myself. And in your example, I have played just the AC games, and there had no impact either. Could enjoy the games without ever looking at the shop.
Maybe that is the difference, I don't know what is in the shop, so I don't feel I miss out on what I could get.
Smash has season passes for characters pokemon has dlc. The trade off is that you can mod Nintendo games on the console not just on pc. Nintendo has a problem with recycling titles. We haven't gotten a new mainline Zelda since breath of the wild. I loved totk and echoes but they're not a new Zelda. Pokemon refuses to give gamefreak time to make a good 3d game. The enshittification is definitely present on Nintendo in the form of their powerhouse franchises being recycled to death.
Though I love Nintendo's games regardless of if I disagree with the spinoffs of the last 8 years. Its just a shame that our current mainline mario game is from 2017. totk was built on a 2017 game. Pokemons graphics up till scarlet and violet were just recycled 3ds models. Course I'm biased though because they were so strong from 1996-2017 with their 3d games, but have since stopped. Maybe the switch 2 is what they're all being saved for.
They used to be that way, but now they've figured out they can charge premium prices for subscription fees just to get access to classic games, add a ton of DLC to Smash Bros, lock huge chunks of the pokedex behind paywalls.... They're catching up with the rest of the gaming universe slowly but surely.
Neither Gen 8 or Gen 9 locked the Pokedex behind paywalls. Sure, you couldn't find them in the wild, as they were native to the new areas, but the whole dex was accessible through Pokémon Home, trading, and Raids and the games did not stop you from obtaining them. The dex update was free for everyone. Only the new Mythical and Legendaries would be difficult to get, as only one of each appeared. But they COULD still be traded over.
Sure. But it also has free usage, as well. And most people THAT invested in Pokémon already have home, not even necessarily for the newest game. And, again, that's not the only option. Literally trading and raids exist, and the DEX (like was originally said) is NOT behind a paywall. Using the semantics game in order to play the victim when there is none is a weak way to support an argument. And let's be real: the people looking for ways to BE the victim were going to find issues, regardless.
Most nintendo games do include a singular $30 dlc. But they're almost all worth another half game of content. The only real exception i can think of is smash brothers but also the people begged for it, so I'm not surprised they sinked down
Cod black ops and infinite warfare zombies one of my favourites. Last one still costs 60 euros on steam. New bo6 costs 150 with all dlc. Has no gameplay footage whatsoever but lots of but this skin ads. And the last video I watched about how they rig with ai so you het easy kills, matchmaking, auto aiming with ai whenever the algoritm understands your patterns of quiting and makes it easy to play for you. Since I know that I'm really done with gaming. Don't like single player that much.
I really don't think their pricing sucks. Companies like Ubisoft and Activision Blizzard will charge even more on release (and sometimes keep the base price high for a very long time too), BUT they will still feature in-game stores with tons of in-your-face-all-the-time microtransactions. So in these cases there really is no trade-off.
That's a good point! I guess my original statement was based on Nintendo not doing big sales like Steam. But, you're right, if buying on release, big publishers will absolutely try to charge you more than Ninty.
I don't think it's entirely headed that way. They're open to the opportunity, clearly, but I think they are more careful about the integrity of their franchises and of the reputation of their company than some other developers (*cough* Ubisoft, EA, Activision Blizzard *cough*). And for example, Zelda BOTW had DLC but they decided not to do it for TOTK and that was despite the game selling really well and a lot of fans asking/hoping for DLC.
I do prefer the "DLC on top of the base game" model over the past "Three or four games with the same base map" setup they had going on. Good expansion packs are a thing of all ages, it's shitty small DLC that's the devil.
Before the DLC you were forced to buy another 60$ game because of updates and new content. Was usually their third installments. That's why Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum are ao expensive compared to their base games
That's a shame. Though, somehow fitting, as the last couple of generations of Pokémon games have felt below par, relative to Nintendo's other franchises.
Yeah, but i look at it a little differently. We're getting a bunch of actual new content a year after release that includes a lot of 100% new story, areas, and Pokémon for less than the game price. As opposed to getting the third installment that's the same game, but with some different story, all the same places except maybe 1, and 3 to 4 exclusives Mons a year later, instead (and at full price). I actually like this way, way more.
Also, if we're being honest, the people who were going to buy that third installment were people who already bought one, or even both, of the other two versions. So any argument that brings up the need to have the base game to get the DLC seems weird. I highly doubt anyone who wants to buy a Pokémon game, wants to NOT experience the main game and wants to ONLY play the DLC. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but that seems odd.
There's a lot I love about the current generation, but there is no way I can seriously say that this game is nothing more than a buggy beta. Maushold is my cherished beloved, but the state the game is in even after the updates and DLC is embarrassing. Do a Tera Raid battle and look me in the eye that it is functioning as intended.
I can't imagine Pokémon games being held to the same standard as many other AAA games. Thinking about Metaphor getting shit for some frame drops, FF16s Quality Mode dipping under 30, Diablo 4's few bugs that are annoying but don't really impede you.
Scarlet & Violet has a game in there I could love, but the entire experience is marred by technical incompetence that's probably as bad as Cyberpunk was at release. But the just say "Oh the Switch is so weak." DESIGN IT WITH THAT IN MIND THEN?
I didn't play its DLCs, but my wife did. And the second DLC was physically painful at times with the horrific frame rates and the constant graphical issues. I'd rather fight pre-visual nerf Consort Radahn than watch that again.
I feel like you haven't played any Nintendo games in recent years if you think they don't incorporate DLC. Pokemon, Xenoblade, Mario Kart, their best hitters all do it.
Xenoblade DLC was a whole ass fucking game (and always is). Nobody cries about the EXISTENCE of DLC. Expansion Packs have existed for decades.
Be honest, Nintendo's DLC practices are far more consumer friendly than 90% of the industry. At least for their main titles, I'll grant you they are kinda scummy with their old games.
Monolithsoft is owned by nintendo, which is why they did a ton of work on zelda, splatoon, and animal crossing. Saying they're "not nintendo" is like saying the original smash bros isn't nintendo because it's made by hal labs
I still need someone to convince me it's worth $60 to buy a 30 year old game even if it has been reworked for the switch. (Link's Awakening which I played the shit out of on the og gray cube)
Only once, on Steam with the remastered version. To be fair that's because I borrowed my brother's copy to play it on the computer forever ago, but the first disk glitched so I never got to, well, you know. (Unless you're counting the remake but that seems substantial enough to count as a whole different game. Which I have not bought. Yet.)
UIs are better now, and for lifelong gamers that may not make a big difference, but for newer gamers it can be night and day. I've been introducing my newly-gaming mom to the games I grew up on and loved, and if it's not new or a remaster, she really struggles. The Links Awakening rework was awesome, and she had a blast playing it.
Idk about "convincing", games are a luxury hobby item, and whether they're worth the price is a matter of perspective. FWIW, Link's Awakening on Switch has brand new graphics that the creators of the OG game can only dream of. If you tell me that's not enough, I'll tell you that's a perfectly valid opinion.
The graphics update was nice, but it's the QoL changes that are spectacular. Why yes, I DO like the shield and boots having a dedicated button like other 2D Zelda games, instead of taking up an inventory button. The CONSTANT switching in the original is just about the only negative thing I have to say about it.
Link's Awakening is a remake, possibly one of the worst examples to use as a "rework" being overcharged for. I'm very frugal with my spending on games but that's one example of a $60 "old" game that is justifiable, it's a completely different game than the one from 30 years ago. Same basic map, same story, but the moment-to-moment gameplay is wildly different.
Is being a 30 year old game relevant? If it's a fun game, it's a fun game. If a person can't easily get their hands on the original version, and/or if they've never played it before, it might as well be a new game.
If someone can't get their hands on the original, it's probably because Nintendo itself has been attacking sites that distribute it. Don't defend their shitty practices.
Less about the age and more about it being a portable game since those generally cost less back then. Sure Nintendo blurred that line with the Switch (and Steam with the deck) but not every game needs the same price tag across the board. Sure games are expensive to make, but some of their games clearly cost more to make but yet they all have the same price tag so that doesn't feel like justified pricing.
Fair enough, and what I already do personally, I just figure that's what the other person was getting at mostly. Only way to really protest is with your wallet. People are free to spend their money on what they like, it's a fary cry from some of the shit some triple a devs pull with releasing seemigly unfinished games at full price at the very least.
Yeah, I made that mistake with the Mario RPG remaster they recently released. It was one of my favorites as a kid. And it was a lot of fun, but it was still quite obviously a SNES game. Improved graphics doesn't cover the outdated rest of it, not for 70 dollars at least.
One should avoid jumping to conclusions. Haven't played a football game since Tecmo Bowl, cod was the OG and maybe the sequel, and I only ever played a fifa game at a friend's house. Now I have bought Chrono Trigger multiple times, so there is that.
I’ve never played a madden/fifa in my life. And haven’t played cod since modern warfare 2, the first one. I have on the other hand bought Skyrim 3 different times.
Nintendo sells basically all their games at $60-70. No matter what. Did it come out yesterday or seven years ago? Doesn't matter. Is it holiday season? Doesn't matter. Is it a small game or a huge one? That's the difference between $60 and $70. If Nintendo had made Vampire Survivors, it would've been $60.
Incorrect. Nintendo has released smaller digital only games available on the eShop like The Stretchers, Good Job!, Part-Time UFO, and Kirby's Dream Buffet. These games and others might be $20.00 or less. Other retail games like Switch Sports, Clubhouse Games 51, Everybody 1-2 Switch and a few others retail at $40.00 and have had sales as well. I believe the only game they've charged at $70 has been Tears of the Kingdom. Sony and Microsoft have more games at that price. 1/2
If you want to complain that you think they should have even greater price discounts on their games when they do have sales, go ahead and make that argument but don't say they never have sales or discounts on their software. And one game being charged at $70 so far is doing a lot of work to say they charge $60-70 for all their games.
q34tw4
As a big nintendo fan, I had to finally stop buying from after Breath of the Wild 2. While I love the games, they are VERY expensive and their "sales" are laughable.
DickMcStiffens
ThedawningofWankershim
I wanted to play some of the 3ds pokemon games and they're like $200
buttcreambandit
The thing about Nintendo games though is if you buy preowned and then sell it after beating you can basically play all the games for free or even possibly make money
discostewsm
2011 was when the Wii was on whatever last legs it had left, and 3DS had just barely released. Wii U was still at least a year away. So what Wii or 3DS game from 2011 was listed for $50 but was $60 in 2022 on Switch that fits this context?
Fendeezy
Context?
DrShemp
Nostalgia tax: paying premium prices for pixel memories because childhood doesn't come cheap, but neither do Nintendo games.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
A year of its online service is a third the price of a year of PSN, and still gives a lot of free shit I can play. It's no Xbox game pass but the thousands of hours I've gotten out of it have been well worth it's online. But Nintendo's business practices often do suck and they are lawsuit-happy right now which is fucking lame.
ISayShenanigans
The Nintendo brand games only go $20 less when they go on sale. Everything else goes dirt cheap if you wait long enough.
I've gotten to the point where I'm watching how much space I have left on my 2.5 TB card to add more games.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
$50 in Jan 2011 is equal to $71.67 in Oct 2024
The Switch can be modified to run backups of games you own
novaprime
This is why I buy used carts ..
TheBlueMuppet
*buys stuff off temu* "What the hell is an Intenda Swintch?"
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
buying a 2ds for 80$ and an sd card for 25$. owning all the games
Munchman347
Today's $60 is only $15 in 2011 money...
johnlifts
I’ve picked up a few games on woot for $30-40. And you can buy used games for about that price if you buy on places like FB marketplace.
StevieTheAussie
Noahbalboa82
So.... you're saying you have a Switch to sell?
heyimjephph
Getting an emulator and downloading roms... Priceless
SirVG
You'll have to look harder now because Nintendo went after BOTH Yuzu and Ryujinx. So stupid. Emulation is legal, they're mad at the wrong people.
heyimjephph
I mean, I don't have to look, I have a functioning emulator
RayneOfSalt
NES and SNES games cost anywhere between 70 to 100 dollars each in the 80s & 90s.
RevolutionOnHerLips
RayneOfSalt
That is a page from an american catalogue. Were you aware that there are dozens of us worldwide who don't live in the USA, or is this news to you?
RevolutionOnHerLips
Very few countries use dollar as their currency. You don't have to be a butthole.
M4UsedRollout
Skyward Sword for the Wii can be had for about $20 now if your Wii’s disc drive still works. The Wii seems like it hasn’t hit its nostalgia wave yet.
Twilight Princess on the other hand…
SpanWolf
I bought physical copies of all my Switch games. Recently I've been spoiled with my Steam Deck and decided that I wanted to switch(lol) to digital on my Switch, so I don't have to constantly swap out carts for different games. Looking at the eShop, they still charge full price for Switch LAUNCH titles! It came out in 2017!
badgesweedontneednostinkingbadges
OK, but by then $60 is only worth $49.50 (in 10yo money).
DerpeDimmer
70*
Haylett777
I've seen Pokemon (Soul Silver/Heart Gold, Platinum, White 2/Black 2) at $80 - $100.
thevortexmaster
I remember big games in Canada for super NES cost $120 after tax 25 years ago. That's how much Donkey Kong Country cost me. A whole cheque
ontarioOT
You were buying SNES games in 1999?
The N64 came out in like 1996.
thevortexmaster
In 1999 i was graduating so no hahah it was a wild guess. it was probably more like 1994 or 5. I was working then at my first job. Started when I was 13 and I'm now 43. Remembering stuff like that is difficult but what I do remember was the price
Theniyaal
So did Donkey Kong Country 3 for the Super NES.
Noahbalboa82
You can still buy used games. If they re-release games, that's not zero effort. Work goes into these. But we won't need to justify anything to anyone. If you don't like the pricing, some buy it... Which you don't. All good
TinyLiehon
Only if people bought cartridge. Download codes can't (to my knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong) be resold
VodkaReindeer
Microsoft tried to make the codes able to be resold over a decade ago but their customers hated that.
CheeseGreaterGood
The problem exists with used as well. It’s like $5 cheaper, max.
Noahbalboa82
That depends on games. 1st party Nintendo....$10-15 less often times. Other less popular, better prices. I got a used copy of Zelda BOTW for $40. $20 less than new
CheeseGreaterGood
I’ve never seen that, but I believe you.
Noahbalboa82
It's crazy that 7 year old new Nintendo games still sell for full price. Does this happen with PlayStation and Xbox?
CheeseGreaterGood
Yes, but almost never.
MidnaDS
I've been with Nintendo my whole life and I support this. Why? Because this gives them a reason to create timeless games that people will still want to buy 10 years later instead of just following the latest trends and create a product that everybody forgot about after a decade.
Wolfos
I just end up never buying the games. $60 is a lot of money to gamble on something I may not enjoy. They have no refund policy either.
kaarbaakimgr
I’ve never returned a Nintendo game
endem1c
mikeatike
Except they are charging stupid prices for re-released. And it's not like every game has a bunch of hardware in it.
ihatedmyoldusername
steal all nintendo games
FTUG
Just don't be like that one idiot who recently bragged about pirating their content and got the bejesus sued out of him by Nintendo
Xenarion
The one who streamed and distributed the games BEFORE their release date?
SirVG
Yes.
JS87
The irony of hating Nintendo so much you steal from them, which is the reason why Nintendo goes after people. You’re your own worst enemy. Like how stupid are you?!
AnOceanOfStars
> Says something stupid.
> Adds "how stupid are you?"
HoldThatTHOT
Right? It isn't like Nintendo actively hates their fan base and destroys fan works because they can instead of embracing their fans at all(this is dripping with thick, thick, viscous sarcasm)
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
For context, this was people responding with the same image.
Which is valid.
But it wasn't "people linked to their fav song on youtube and then nintendo took it down", like the pacing of the video makes it seem.
keebs63
Oh is that why they shut down tournaments for 30 year old games no one cares about outside of the tournaments? What about the fanart they use a DMCA takedown request on?
akefay
They sent a cease and desist to suicide girls because a member put in his user profile that he likes M*****d and Z***a. No pictures of the game, no music, no ROM. Just wrote the name of two game series. N"*****o said this is an unauthorized use of their trademarks, which they don't permit on sites that are not G rated.
(Trademarks censored as N******o has not authorized me to mention them, and Imgur is, if anything, worse than a porn site.)
daromander
Why? Do the workers who made the games not deserve money?
AnOceanOfStars
The workers, yes. The managers who exploit them and get rich by exploiting stupid customers, no. If you continue to pay mindlessly, you continue to support that, and that is bound to get worse (as seen countless times already, including the history that brought to this point itself).
It's damaging for everyone, to the benefit of a handful of greedy shitbags.
daromander
So how is stealing the game helping? You're not helping the situation, you are just hurting the workers. Some people work on commission. Whether or not a game sells can determine if a worker keeps their job or if they get the next job.
Also, a game that plays on a Nintendo system isn't necessarily made by Nintendo. There are 3rd party developers that you would be hurting by stealing, not Nintendo
AnOceanOfStars
Not buying (not stealing, that's another matter) helps regulate the market. Whether you like or not that 3rd parties suffer some consequences, that's in itself a consequence for adhering to a sick market that needs to be purged.
Apart from that, you chose all the wrong examples.
People who work on commission can find commissions from other companies.
Games that aren't made by N can play on other platforms.
Then there is the issue of many other platforms being sick as well, and dev companies too.
daromander
The person I replied to initially said steal. And how is Nintendo a sick market? Them shutting down uses of their IP that they don't agree with isn't wrong as it's their IP to do whatever they want with.
Not all games are available on all platforms (it costs money and time to make them work on different platforms).
People working on commission should get the money from people who play the game. Also you ignored the part that keeping or getting a new job is hard if your game doesn't sell
kaarbaakimgr
So…screw the company out of money so that all of those managers get fired and they cannot make the next game. Smart. You must be an mba.
rusrsdude
They don't get paid royalties, lol. They're already paid by the hour.
daromander
You know it can be both? You can be paid by the hour and then also get paid per sale or get bonuses if the game reaches certain sale levels
rusrsdude
Yes, it could definitely be both, but it's really not the case currently. Those bonuses most likely just go towards the higher executives and not the game devs themselves.
kaarbaakimgr
The executives that greenlight the next game? Or do you not want any more games, genius?
daromander
You are acting like every game developer is part of some huge company. That's not true at all
TinyLiehon
The workers were already paid
daromander
Whether or not a game sells can determine if a worker gets to keep their job or if they get another job. Also some people work on commission. Stop pretending that workers don't get hurt
scottcanoni
All of them? What about indie game developers?
TinyLiehon
I didn't know there were indie game developers for the Switch. Thought that was all done by big Nintendo
daromander
Not all games on the Switch are made by Nintendo. For the most obvious example, there is Minecraft on the Switch. Minecraft is not owned by Nintendo
daychilde
$50 in 2011 is worth $70.09 today
Illinifan88
Yep. The cost of video games has not increased much.
AeEvolution
I mean, they removed everything from any box, no more paper, manual, map or anything. I wouldn't even be surprised if i only find a printed paper with a code to simply DL the game without even a DVR or anything else. And paying for a digital version of a game feels different. (less dust, sure, but still.)
And as it is, the need to be online 24/7 to be able to even launch your game is tedious, plus the non guarantee of keeping you game forever when it's digital.
Illinifan88
The things you're talking about cost pennies per game.
AeEvolution
Overall? Sure. It still makes it way less appealing to spend money on them, even with "so little increase over the last 20y".
glastonberry48
Ocarina of Time was $60 dollars when it came out in 1998, which is around $115 dollars in 2024 money.
Yet people still complain that $70 dollars for tears of the kingdom was too much for a Zelda game.
Goatfer
Ocarina of time had extra costs associated with manufacturing and shipping which is time and material costs.. ToK could be downloaded.
BearRaid
Which only matters if your income went up commensurately.
kaarbaakimgr
I’m sorry you make bad life choices. That’s not Nintendo’s fault.
BishlamekGurpgork
I feel like the original meme just used domain expansion to become about wage gaps and economic trends, and not just a meme about video game costs.
ministerm
So it doesn't matter if your income didn't change at all? What?
BearRaid
The commenter was saying that the original price of $50 was actually “worth” more than the current price of 60, but as a proportion of your available money to spend, this only holds if your available money went up by the same amount (40%). If your income remained the same or close to it, then 60 is still a greater percentage of your spending money, at the time of purchase. If your income did increase by 40% then hey, that 60 is actually proportionally less and so it’s “cheaper”. But it didn’t.
kaarbaakimgr
So…. Nintendo is responsible for lack of ability to earn more money? Seems like they have other things to worry about than hire much money to make. But yeah…totally makes sense to blame Nintendo. You’re wicked smaht.
Sidewaysgts
In fairness 50 dollars in 2011 is equivalent to 70 dollars today- So technically its cheaper contextually?
madcatii
And median income went up as well, so there is a better income vs price ratio now.
Goldensands
Yes if we just hold our hands in front of our face and look specifically at that - and nothing else - then scream loud enough that would definitely start to represent the full situation.
kaarbaakimgr
And they cost exponentially more to make
madcatii
?
Goldensands
You genuinely that stupid? Games are far more profitable for these companies than ever. It's a download. No box, no disc, no manual, just 99.9999999% profit each sale.
imaynotbeasmartmanjenny
Fantastic if your housing costs didn’t double during that same time period
idownvoteplottwist
hey that's not nintendo's fault, they're not running a social welfare program
glastonberry48
Is it Nintendos fault the cost of housing increased?
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Yeah, Nintendo sucks when it comes to pricing. On the flip side, though, their games aren't plagued by micro transactions, DLC, season passes, and all the other enshittification that the other major publishers are pushing. So, it's a trade-off.
SomeDetroitGuy
I see you haven't heard about Fortnite.
Alsenoth
Fortnite is not a Nintendo game. How is this relevant to the comment?
zhagsten
their games are plagued with online feature that they shut down after a couple years, voluntary... and sometimes because they fucked up (hard coded ip of third-party servers)
WiiShaker
They've always been behind the curve on net code. It's almost like they don't want people who play their games to know that the internet exists.
Ree81
Xbox 360 came out in 2005 and had better online. They're literally decades behind.
Goldensands
You ever hear of smash bros? Good luck if you ever want to try it.
shinagami091
They’re starting to dip their toes into it though. They’ve already done paid DLC for their last two main Pokémon games and Smash Bros characters being DLC also
FluffyKittyLover
Yes they are, they sold dlc for BOTW then gave those features for free in TOTK. Smash bros dlc was terribly priced, mario kart sold tracks and for a huge price but said "hey you get it free if you pay monthly for online which also should be free". Nintendo does nothing but gouge its customers moreso than it's competetors.
FelonyFerret
May I direct you to Pokemon?
stonebrood
"not plauged by DLC" aren't Smash Bros and Zelda and Pokemon like their biggest games?
Xenarion
Zelda isn't plagued with DLC. BotW has one massive expansion for a very reasonable price, and TotK has none. Pokemon is made by GameFreaks, not Nintendo. Smash Bros is the only one I agree.
Ree81
Nintendo's online still sucks assssssssssssssss
Trelis
I don't understand why people complain about micro transactions, DLCs, etc. Just buy the part you want, ignore the rest. For majority of single player games, I buy the base game and never touch DLCs. The existence of those extra products have zero impact on my experience with the game.
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
The "zero impact" part isn't exactly true. For example, if micro transactions for in-game currency exist, you can be damn sure that getting the currency through play will be made more of a slog. The publisher is always motivated to tip the "standard" game so that the extra purchases look more attractive.
Trelis
The only game it had such an impact in way was in Shadows of Morder, and they changed it after the outcry.
And even if it did happen in other games, I obviously didn't notice it, so it had zero impact on me.
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Right, zero impact on you, and that's fine. Other people have definitely observed changes in modern AAA games. Modern Assassins creed games are huge offenders. Modern Forza/Gran Turismo progression systems suck compared to earlier entries, so you're more tempted to buy cars. Halo 5 and Halo Infinite are basically micro transaction shops with half a game attached.
Trelis
Yes, that was my comment - a personal observation on the topic at hand. I don't speak for anyone but myself. And in your example, I have played just the AC games, and there had no impact either. Could enjoy the games without ever looking at the shop.
Maybe that is the difference, I don't know what is in the shop, so I don't feel I miss out on what I could get.
MasonTheNosam
Smash has season passes for characters pokemon has dlc. The trade off is that you can mod Nintendo games on the console not just on pc. Nintendo has a problem with recycling titles. We haven't gotten a new mainline Zelda since breath of the wild. I loved totk and echoes but they're not a new Zelda. Pokemon refuses to give gamefreak time to make a good 3d game. The enshittification is definitely present on Nintendo in the form of their powerhouse franchises being recycled to death.
MasonTheNosam
Though I love Nintendo's games regardless of if I disagree with the spinoffs of the last 8 years. Its just a shame that our current mainline mario game is from 2017. totk was built on a 2017 game. Pokemons graphics up till scarlet and violet were just recycled 3ds models. Course I'm biased though because they were so strong from 1996-2017 with their 3d games, but have since stopped. Maybe the switch 2 is what they're all being saved for.
TheUnnamedPoet
They used to be that way, but now they've figured out they can charge premium prices for subscription fees just to get access to classic games, add a ton of DLC to Smash Bros, lock huge chunks of the pokedex behind paywalls.... They're catching up with the rest of the gaming universe slowly but surely.
Alsenoth
Neither Gen 8 or Gen 9 locked the Pokedex behind paywalls. Sure, you couldn't find them in the wild, as they were native to the new areas, but the whole dex was accessible through Pokémon Home, trading, and Raids and the games did not stop you from obtaining them. The dex update was free for everyone. Only the new Mythical and Legendaries would be difficult to get, as only one of each appeared. But they COULD still be traded over.
davisboy42
Pokemon home is a subscription (i.e. paywall)
Alsenoth
Sure. But it also has free usage, as well. And most people THAT invested in Pokémon already have home, not even necessarily for the newest game. And, again, that's not the only option. Literally trading and raids exist, and the DEX (like was originally said) is NOT behind a paywall. Using the semantics game in order to play the victim when there is none is a weak way to support an argument. And let's be real: the people looking for ways to BE the victim were going to find issues, regardless.
davisboy42
Most nintendo games do include a singular $30 dlc. But they're almost all worth another half game of content. The only real exception i can think of is smash brothers but also the people begged for it, so I'm not surprised they sinked down
ThatHurts
If you want all the dlc for Mario Kart you need to buy a seasons pass.
pareidoliaperson
Cod black ops and infinite warfare zombies one of my favourites. Last one still costs 60 euros on steam. New bo6 costs 150 with all dlc. Has no gameplay footage whatsoever but lots of but this skin ads. And the last video I watched about how they rig with ai so you het easy kills, matchmaking, auto aiming with ai whenever the algoritm understands your patterns of quiting and makes it easy to play for you. Since I know that I'm really done with gaming. Don't like single player that much.
Phaxey
I really don't think their pricing sucks. Companies like Ubisoft and Activision Blizzard will charge even more on release (and sometimes keep the base price high for a very long time too), BUT they will still feature in-game stores with tons of in-your-face-all-the-time microtransactions. So in these cases there really is no trade-off.
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
That's a good point! I guess my original statement was based on Nintendo not doing big sales like Steam. But, you're right, if buying on release, big publishers will absolutely try to charge you more than Ninty.
adickurig
Yeah you get $60 worth of game in my experience
EBioS3D
It feels like they are heading that way, even pokemon has dlc's now
TheOminousTruthAboutCookies
And expansions to DLC.
Alsenoth
? If you mean the two waves that they did, then yes? But it was all one DLC split into two waves. One price.
kaarbaakimgr
DLC =/= MTX
Phaxey
I don't think it's entirely headed that way. They're open to the opportunity, clearly, but I think they are more careful about the integrity of their franchises and of the reputation of their company than some other developers (*cough* Ubisoft, EA, Activision Blizzard *cough*). And for example, Zelda BOTW had DLC but they decided not to do it for TOTK and that was despite the game selling really well and a lot of fans asking/hoping for DLC.
Xenarion
I'll also add that the BotW DLC was amazing and huge, for a very reasonable price.
ishouldprobablybeplayingpokemonATM
Sort of, the dlc are taking the place of extra iteratio s with new content like yellow, crystal, emerald etc
theworldcouldbeflat
So the game that required you to buy other games to "catch them all" has a DLC and you think this is a new trend for the Pokemon games interesting.
Morganelefay
I do prefer the "DLC on top of the base game" model over the past "Three or four games with the same base map" setup they had going on. Good expansion packs are a thing of all ages, it's shitty small DLC that's the devil.
Xenarion
Aye. The DLC in BotW is well worth its money.
Lithens
Before the DLC you were forced to buy another 60$ game because of updates and new content. Was usually their third installments. That's why Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum are ao expensive compared to their base games
Alphadef
Pokemon DLC is replacing the old system of "3rd game that comes out later and I just better than the original pair" though, is it's mostly a positive
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
That's a shame. Though, somehow fitting, as the last couple of generations of Pokémon games have felt below par, relative to Nintendo's other franchises.
Teganrose1
IMO, Gen 8 fits this bill, as was the remake of Gen 4 (which is a shame because I adore Gen 4), but get 9 (in spite of having dlc) had a lovely story
TheBigBadBonerBiter
I'm willing to accept it since it means the end of full priced "third versions". In the case of SWSH the DLC was better than the base game anyway.
Xenarion
Pokemon is made by GameFreaks, not Nintendo.
DerpyBestPrincess
DLCs*
Alsenoth
Yeah, but i look at it a little differently. We're getting a bunch of actual new content a year after release that includes a lot of 100% new story, areas, and Pokémon for less than the game price. As opposed to getting the third installment that's the same game, but with some different story, all the same places except maybe 1, and 3 to 4 exclusives Mons a year later, instead (and at full price). I actually like this way, way more.
Alsenoth
Also, if we're being honest, the people who were going to buy that third installment were people who already bought one, or even both, of the other two versions. So any argument that brings up the need to have the base game to get the DLC seems weird. I highly doubt anyone who wants to buy a Pokémon game, wants to NOT experience the main game and wants to ONLY play the DLC. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but that seems odd.
shehdbeuebw738373
I have games I have and haven't bought the DLC for. Much prefer this over every game costing 90.
pkmnfrk1
The DLC was good though? New maps, new story, tough battles… I was happy to pay more for more content
Pseudosim
Have the new 3d games progressed past ps2 level graphics?
Cinammontoastcrunch
I don't mind dlc when they're actually good, as long as I get a fair amount of enjoyment out of the extra content
TheOminousTruthAboutCookies
Pokemon already unnecessarily into two full-priced games every time though. So there's that.
Hadestown24
Just play pokemon showdown for free. Maybe youll learn something about the game other than learning how to play against AI made for children
TheOminousTruthAboutCookies
There's no AI in Pokemon...
iBoulderDash
There's a lot I love about the current generation, but there is no way I can seriously say that this game is nothing more than a buggy beta. Maushold is my cherished beloved, but the state the game is in even after the updates and DLC is embarrassing. Do a Tera Raid battle and look me in the eye that it is functioning as intended.
Akintunde
I can't imagine Pokémon games being held to the same standard as many other AAA games. Thinking about Metaphor getting shit for some frame drops, FF16s Quality Mode dipping under 30, Diablo 4's few bugs that are annoying but don't really impede you.
Scarlet & Violet has a game in there I could love, but the entire experience is marred by technical incompetence that's probably as bad as Cyberpunk was at release. But the just say "Oh the Switch is so weak." DESIGN IT WITH THAT IN MIND THEN?
Akintunde
I didn't play its DLCs, but my wife did. And the second DLC was physically painful at times with the horrific frame rates and the constant graphical issues. I'd rather fight pre-visual nerf Consort Radahn than watch that again.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
It used to be included in the base game.
Xenarion
Also, they don't come out filled with awful bugs.
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Bugs? There's no bugs! How dare you
ministerm
I feel like you haven't played any Nintendo games in recent years if you think they don't incorporate DLC. Pokemon, Xenoblade, Mario Kart, their best hitters all do it.
LuminoZero
Xenoblade DLC was a whole ass fucking game (and always is). Nobody cries about the EXISTENCE of DLC. Expansion Packs have existed for decades.
Be honest, Nintendo's DLC practices are far more consumer friendly than 90% of the industry. At least for their main titles, I'll grant you they are kinda scummy with their old games.
Xenarion
Out of those 3, only Mario Kart is made by Nintendo. Pokémon is Game Freaks, and Xenoblade is Monolith Soft
ministerm
They're still Nintendo exclusive. How many times have you heard Halo described as an Xbox exclusive title?
davisboy42
Monolithsoft is owned by nintendo, which is why they did a ton of work on zelda, splatoon, and animal crossing. Saying they're "not nintendo" is like saying the original smash bros isn't nintendo because it's made by hal labs
Xenarion
Oh I didn't realize they bought them. My bad. Make that 2 out of 3 then.
kevbot5000
I still need someone to convince me it's worth $60 to buy a 30 year old game even if it has been reworked for the switch. (Link's Awakening which I played the shit out of on the og gray cube)
Idontneedrealfacts
If $60 is a significant amount of money to you, then you arent their target demographic.
kevbot5000
It's affordable but when I'm buying games the inner teenage me who had to think hard about buying stuff comes out and asks "really? $60?!"
darthnerdus6236
How many times are we going to buy Final Fantasy 7?!
kevbot5000
Only once, on Steam with the remastered version. To be fair that's because I borrowed my brother's copy to play it on the computer forever ago, but the first disk glitched so I never got to, well, you know. (Unless you're counting the remake but that seems substantial enough to count as a whole different game. Which I have not bought. Yet.)
EltaninDracoPwc
UIs are better now, and for lifelong gamers that may not make a big difference, but for newer gamers it can be night and day. I've been introducing my newly-gaming mom to the games I grew up on and loved, and if it's not new or a remaster, she really struggles. The Links Awakening rework was awesome, and she had a blast playing it.
UsuallySpecial
Regularly sells for $45 on physical cart.
BluePaladin42
I played it. It's worth it, actually. If you can comfortably spend it, do it.
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Idk about "convincing", games are a luxury hobby item, and whether they're worth the price is a matter of perspective. FWIW, Link's Awakening on Switch has brand new graphics that the creators of the OG game can only dream of. If you tell me that's not enough, I'll tell you that's a perfectly valid opinion.
BluePaladin42
The graphics update was nice, but it's the QoL changes that are spectacular. Why yes, I DO like the shield and boots having a dedicated button like other 2D Zelda games, instead of taking up an inventory button. The CONSTANT switching in the original is just about the only negative thing I have to say about it.
kevbot5000
I'm waiting for a crystalis remake that lets you switch swords without pulling up a menu.
LookingLikeASnack
Link's Awakening is a remake, possibly one of the worst examples to use as a "rework" being overcharged for. I'm very frugal with my spending on games but that's one example of a $60 "old" game that is justifiable, it's a completely different game than the one from 30 years ago. Same basic map, same story, but the moment-to-moment gameplay is wildly different.
gluttonygreedpridewrathslothlustenvy
I've been hesitating because I loved it on the Gameboy and I've got tons of unplayed Switch games so kinda hard to justify, but I've been tempted.
medimr
Is being a 30 year old game relevant? If it's a fun game, it's a fun game. If a person can't easily get their hands on the original version, and/or if they've never played it before, it might as well be a new game.
FiveHeadedSnakeGod
If someone can't get their hands on the original, it's probably because Nintendo itself has been attacking sites that distribute it. Don't defend their shitty practices.
Xubat
Less about the age and more about it being a portable game since those generally cost less back then. Sure Nintendo blurred that line with the Switch (and Steam with the deck) but not every game needs the same price tag across the board. Sure games are expensive to make, but some of their games clearly cost more to make but yet they all have the same price tag so that doesn't feel like justified pricing.
medimr
/shrug If you want less expensive games, support indy devs. Don't look for consideration from big name studios like Nintendo.
Xubat
Fair enough, and what I already do personally, I just figure that's what the other person was getting at mostly. Only way to really protest is with your wallet. People are free to spend their money on what they like, it's a fary cry from some of the shit some triple a devs pull with releasing seemigly unfinished games at full price at the very least.
HandsomePenguin
Yeah, I made that mistake with the Mario RPG remaster they recently released. It was one of my favorites as a kid. And it was a lot of fun, but it was still quite obviously a SNES game. Improved graphics doesn't cover the outdated rest of it, not for 70 dollars at least.
JS87
And yet you’ll hand over $70 for a madden/fifa/cod game that’s been the same for just as long. Nintendo is not the company to protest.
kevbot5000
One should avoid jumping to conclusions. Haven't played a football game since Tecmo Bowl, cod was the OG and maybe the sequel, and I only ever played a fifa game at a friend's house. Now I have bought Chrono Trigger multiple times, so there is that.
Trankia12
I’ve never played a madden/fifa in my life. And haven’t played cod since modern warfare 2, the first one. I have on the other hand bought Skyrim 3 different times.
kruug
I'm still playing Madden 2005 on my PS2
Higure
Nintendo sells basically all their games at $60-70. No matter what. Did it come out yesterday or seven years ago? Doesn't matter. Is it holiday season? Doesn't matter. Is it a small game or a huge one? That's the difference between $60 and $70. If Nintendo had made Vampire Survivors, it would've been $60.
ThomasThundersword
eh. the switch Estore has some decent deals even on main titles every so often. downside ofc is it is a digital title instead of the physical cart.
Khushrenada
Incorrect. Nintendo has released smaller digital only games available on the eShop like The Stretchers, Good Job!, Part-Time UFO, and Kirby's Dream Buffet. These games and others might be $20.00 or less. Other retail games like Switch Sports, Clubhouse Games 51, Everybody 1-2 Switch and a few others retail at $40.00 and have had sales as well. I believe the only game they've charged at $70 has been Tears of the Kingdom. Sony and Microsoft have more games at that price. 1/2
Khushrenada
Also, Nintendo games do go on sale. They've already announced sales on certain games and hardware for Black Friday. https://www.nintendo.com/en-ca/whatsnew/nintendo-announces-black-friday-offers-providing-even-more-ways-to-play-this-holiday-season/?srsltid=AfmBOoomT_60r38S5NLPuCkJlIAzokQRakBTtU03o1tNtV2hduvJqOO_ This stupid criticism of trying to make seem Nintendo more greedy than other developers by saying they never have sales and charge everything from 60 - 70 complete bunk. 2/2
Khushrenada
If you want to complain that you think they should have even greater price discounts on their games when they do have sales, go ahead and make that argument but don't say they never have sales or discounts on their software. And one game being charged at $70 so far is doing a lot of work to say they charge $60-70 for all their games.