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Nov 1, 2024 1:38 PM

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-citizenship-revoked-denaturalized/

Elon Musk could have his United States citizenship revoked and be exposed to criminal prosecution if he lied to the government as part of the immigration process, according to legal experts.

Musk, who was born and raised in South Africa and later emigrated to Canada before eventually settling in the US and becoming a citizen, has spent more than $100 million to support Donald Trump and his nativist presidential campaign, and has personally demonized immigrants. A recent Bloomberg analysis found, for example, that Musk has posted around 1,300 times on X this year about immigration and voter fraud. Many of those posts promote the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, which falsely holds that Democrats seek to replace white voters with unauthorized immigrants whose votes they control, and depicts immigrants as dangerous lawbreakers.

Earlier this week, though, The Washington Post reported that Musk was himself an immigrant who had apparently broken the law. In the 1990s, he worked illegally in the United States, according to the Post, which cited “former business associates, court records and company documents.”

In 1995, according to the Post, Musk was admitted to graduate school at Stanford but didn’t enroll in classes, instead working on an online services startup that would eventually be known as Zip2. (Stanford did not reply to requests for comment.) In 1996, the Post reported, investors made a funding agreement contingent on Musk and his brother Kimbal—who has stated that the brothers were “illegal immigrants”—obtaining authorization to work in the US within 45 days. “Their immigration status was not what it should be for them to be legally employed running a company in the US,” Zip2 board member Derek Proudian told the Post.

Musk denies that he ever worked illegally in the US. (His lawyer, Alex Spiro, and a spokesperson for X, which he owns, did not reply to requests for comment.) He claims that in 1995, as a student, he was in the US on a J-1 visa, which then “transitioned” to an H1-B visa. As the Post reported, though, in a 2005 email that was entered into evidence in a since-closed defamation lawsuit in California, he wrote that he had applied to Stanford because he otherwise had “no legal right to stay in the country.” Musk then reportedly didn’t enroll at Stanford, instead working on the project that would become Zip2.

Someone present in the US on a student visa who didn’t enroll in courses would have had no right to work at the time and would have had to leave the country, according to experts WIRED consulted. (He did ultimately receive work authorization in 1997.)

Overstaying a student visa was, and to a much lesser extent still is, relatively common. Working without authorization and lying about it during the immigration process would be, however, a black-letter violation of US law carrying significant penalties, albeit one enforced fairly rarely, say experts.

Stephen Yale-Loehr, a professor at Cornell Law School and faculty director of its Immigration Law and Policy Program, says that it’s not clear that if Musk worked in the US without authorization and attested he hadn’t, that would be considered important enough to denaturalize him. However, he says, “on purely legal grounds, this would justify revoking citizenship, because if he had told the truth, he would not have been eligible for an H1-B, a green card, or naturalization.”

Other experts agree. Amanda Frost, who teaches immigration and citizenship law at the University of Virginia, could not speak to Musk’s case specifically, but says that having worked without authorization can be a bar to obtaining a green card.

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https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-citizenship-revoked-denaturalized/

Consequences any day now.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

just gonna leave this here

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yes, please! And Musk would be so much happier in Russia!

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN!

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

That would be hilarious.

Unfortunately there’s one law that overrules all else in the states. If you’re rich, you can do whatever you want.

2 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 0

The Golden Rule - Whoever has the gold makes the rules

2 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Revoked and deported

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Can we tax the shit out of him before he gets kicked out? He owes us a hell of a lot of infrastructure.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He needs to be arrested for treason and all his assets siezed so our national defense is not in the hands of a lunatic. Presidents are immune. Come on Biden

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

That POS should have all of his security clearances revoked and be investigated for collusion with a hostile foreign power; Russia. Kamala needs a new AG with a spine on day one.

2 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

This is the obviously correct course of action, so it probably won't happen.

2 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Would this also nullify his wealth and ability to work legally in the US??!! Let us hope.

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2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Don't even have to read anything of it to tell you he won't be kicked out.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

The problem here is that he'll end up in Canada, and I'm Canadian, so fuck that.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If this gives you any semblance of hope, you are very, very dumb.

2 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

1. Fuck Musk
B. That headline is terrible. I imagine anyone who lied could lose their citizenship? It just doesn’t actually say anything specifically about the story and leaves it up to the imagination of the reader if it’s actually being investigated and what the source is.
. It’s less exciting to post a bunch of qualifiers like “reportedly” or other maybes, but report facts, sometimes that means waiting until it happens and you can happily report he’s ducked.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*Should. He SHOULD have his citizenship revoked. He's here illegally since he broke the terms of his student visa. He won't though. Nothing ever happens to the wealthy.

2 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Just fucking do it.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

And if he's been talking to Putin then he should have all his security clearances revoked.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Whatever, he is white with money... this goes no where as much as we can dream, wish, fantasize, imagine, hope, yada yada yada.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I now know what I want for Christmas.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Musk denies can be translated to "musk admits"

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

And nationalize his businesses

2 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Taxes gonne be different, huh? Lolol

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Oh please. Nothing is going to happen to him. He bought his way in to the country and he will buy his way out of this.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be deported and his assets/companies seized. I'm saying it won't happen.

2 years ago | Likes 346 Dislikes 2

Would there be any legal grounds to seize an assload of his assets, I wonder...

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I bet if anyone in semi-power realises that these...assets can be funneled...i mean distributed into their accounts would GLADLY ship his ass back to SA. We as a populace just need to convince/remind them of that.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Republicans will claim any and all evidence is either made up by conspiratorial Dems who somehow have enough power to do it but not enough to have stopped Trump's first presidency, for some reason, or is no longer applicable or enforceable.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just a youthful indiscretion.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We know, but come on, let us dream!

2 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Stop dreaming. If you want change you have to wake the fuck up.

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

I am plenty awake, there is literally no harm in imagining him suffering consequences for his actions, and there is nothing I can do to affect it, not being American.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

a human adjudicator at USCIS, and maybe a judge, ultimately makes this call. Although they have to follow the law, there will be a lot of pressure to emphasize the evidence supporting a lenient interpretation.

The pessimist in me sees it playing out this way: if Musk gets deported, he'll raise a big fuss, encourage republicans (or Trump if he wins) to cut funding to USCIS and increase application costs, and the immigration workers lose their jobs.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I agree that Musk being deported and denaturalized because of this is vanishingly unlikely. But I still think the news story is important and I'm glad it was posted. When I'm having conversations with people who are edging toward anti-immigrant bullshit as their political framework of choice, Musk's status as an illegal immigrant is a talking point that can find purchase, as an explicit example whom that person (the one I'm talking to) might still value and respect.

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Right? Posts like this, and similar 'gotchas!' with Trump, have just become political edging, and not even edging in a fun way.

2 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 1

For real. Peeps think they are winning with this gotcha stuff like they are going to go "ah, you got me, I'll just fuck off now"

Can't win by playing their game.

2 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

And also, this way lies madness. Sanity crumbles each new story, when the official response is dead silence.

2 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

We’ve sold out our national security wholesale for this fucker. And nothing will be done about it. The fact that we’re relying almost solely on private enterprise for space exploration is an absolute fucking disagrace.

2 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

National security? Likely non existent now. All that was done in 2017 when Dumb-old was sworn in. He sold everything and he'll do it again. There's a good chance that the whole world is fucked.

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