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trippingthelightfantastic
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
tariqk
...that's not fantastic news?
I mean, maybe a relief, or it's good that he's facing consequences, at least it's not more bad news, but... not exactly fantastic?
untrugby
It’s amazing how many of these mass shooters were known to authorities as a risk before they committed the crimes
bippityboppitybuttsex
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/05/us/georgia-school-shooting
Free link to CNN https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html
Scahrossar
Self locking doors? Panic buttons for teachers? WTF America!
bippityboppitybuttsex
Republicans will always point to mental health issues and then refuse to fund mental health treatment; will blame security at schools, anything to avoid saying, 'hey, maybe you shouldn't be able to buy an AR-15 for a child...'
TavrinCallas
What a fucking idiot.
hellospacemonkey
JD Vance thinks these parents should have a greater say in the future of America.
Cabreza
I’m not surprised a man who named his kid Colt bought that kid an AR-15.
Cats2cats
The one I feel sorry for is the kid named Colton with same last name, who attends that school.
verbeckpaul1960
I hope he rots in prison for decades and his mentally ill son never gets out of the asylum.
Dudestbruh459
I’d probably say something about the cursing of mentally ill children but they did kill 4 people
mendrak
"fantastic news" No, this is terrible news. Good they are trying to be accountable but this is just awful from every angle.
modis
The bio on this family reads like Florida Man’s idea of a drama. Parents divorced, father was abusive, mother was a meth addict, kid was bullied and into video games, dad try’s to get the kid into guns to keep him away from the games, kid uses the guns to take out his anger on random victims.
Cats2cats
Remind me how the local LEO’s weren’t watching this? Or why dearest dad thought it was ok to go out & purchase this item?
Nomestoo
And he named his son after a firearms manufacturer.
Hashbrown123
Hey now, he could have named him after the malt liquor.
pareidoliaperson
Just 8???? The entirely school was in shock and saw their buddies and teachers killed!!
hellospacemonkey
In addition to the loss of innocent people, Colin Gray will not cost $5-10M to prosecute by an estimate. He will tie up the Georgia justice system with lawyers because HE GAVE AN ASSAULT WEAPON TO A 14 YEAR OLD. Just like the shitty parents in Michigan.
SisyphusAndRock
He won't need access to mah guns if I buy him his own!
Futuron
This man is as directly responsible to these murders as a person can be without actually pulling the trigger. I hope they bury him and make an example.
exbenedict
Good. Fuck him.
Segufixer
We value guns more than lives in th US-of-A, folks, that's the honest truth. Get used to it for now, change it for tomorrow will ya? Who's with me? VOTE!!!
RenaissanceFaireMan
How did the 14 year old kid get any kind of rifle to school? Biked there with it, hid it somewhere...inside the school?
MadCat221
Four people dead because of this psychotic gun fetishist.
TakuanSoho
Who, strangely, has THE EXACT FUCKING FACE I thought he would have. 🤔
Cats2cats
Because his father went out & bought the rifle after the red flags were up. Dearest daddy should automatically never again be able to own any weapons. Or anyone in that household.
MadCat221
The father is the psychotic gun fetishist I speak of.
Dudestbruh459
Wouldn’t wanna be banned from guns because someone who wasn’t me committed a massacre but the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree so…
JCBalance
If you were told that someone who wasn't you, but was your responsibility, was making dangerous threats about committing massacres, and then you went out and bought them a massacre machine for Christmas... Yeah you get a ban.
Cats2cats
At this point what is your alternative recommendation? They knocked on the door talked to daddy about the threats. Not my lil precious he says. Dipstick then goes out & buys the lil shit a powerful weapon for Christmas 8 mos later. WTF. May he know the intense pain those families are experiencing. How many more kids die or grow up with PTSD?
Salticido
Then don't allow someone else unsupervised access to your guns or buy guns specifically for your young children. If you follow that advice, you won't be in this position and won't be banned from having guns. It's easy peasy.
Cats2cats
Obviously in self entitled America unsupervised access doesn’t work. Hell this is the second parent who purchased a gun for their precious after being warned. Got to find a solution before everything gets taken away.
ThePocketWhale
Well it’s not and has never been all about you and your wants. Time to grow up.
Dudestbruh459
The shooting was the fathers fault though
Dudestbruh459
I meant that more as I think suffering consequences outside of one’s own actions being a bit unfair
ThePocketWhale
No but it was his actions. Bought his mentally troubled 15 year old a gun AFTER the initial investigation.
BlindGardener
I hate the fact that school shootings are still happening, but I love the recognition that their parents are partly responsible and they are being charged as well. Now if only we could recognize that Republicans, the NRA, gun manufacturers and gun stores are responsible and also should be charged….
whatsisname
Let's be clear though, they aren't responsible because they're his parents, but because they bought him the gun. It's an important distinction, because the responsibility would be the same is it was a friend that bought him the gun. Compared to a sort of "guilt by association" many on imgur call for, where the parents would be liable regardless their conduct.
thedeadmarchhare
Maybe someday the manufacturers to become responsible might force the manufacturers to do something.
GoddamndSexualTyranosaur
Then your opening into a new issue if manufacturers can be held liable for the actions of customers. If I drive a Toyota Corolla and run over a crowd of people killing several how is Toyota to blame? If I drink a bottle of Jack Daniels and decided to kill my neighbor how are they responsible when they get sued into the ground and dissolve causing mas spanic among it's huge fanbase?
Dudestbruh459
Why would gun stores be responsible if they didn’t know? If they did they would definitely be responsible though
mohavewolfpup
“Didn’t know” is a stretch considering how they by default pretty much lobby to have their industry what it is now. Jail them into the poor house and even death penalty. Everything they want for everyone else and to be able to operate with impunity should carry even harsher restrictions and loss of liberty just because they want to make everyone else live in fear so they can make money and play at being ammosexuals
MonkeyGlue
DonkeyGoat
We were discussingthis earlier. Can someone explain why it was 4 charges of involuntary manslaughter and 2 charges of second degree murder? I would think it would either be 4 and 4, 2 and 2, or 4 and 0.
Cats2cats
Based on statement at time of arrest and actual laws. A lawyer for that state can explain it. Plus these may just be placeholder charges until the investigation is complete.
SomeDetroitGuy
Four total dead, 2 adults and 2 children. The dead children get the higher charge added due to their age.
Deonan
I think there were a few more kids at that school who suffered cruelty due to his actions. Everyone there should count. I can’t imagine having to live through something like that. Terrifying.
mmckee44
So the father was arrested because he allowed his son to have that gun. But why then isn't the governor arrested and all the Republicans who voted in the laws that allowed this kid to have this gun?
storytaletime
It is illegal for 14 year olds to have guns though, just saying.
mmckee44
Yes, so the crime that the father broke was giving that kid that gun. Charging the father with murder makes it a crime for that father to not anticipate what the kid would do with that gun.
How is it that the father can be held liable for not anticipating what the kid might do, but not the politicians who did the exact same thing when they passed the law making it easier for everybody to get guns?
Sorry, but if this father is culpable for murder, then so are all these politicians.
Dudestbruh459
Because they didn’t buy a murderer a gun when told not to
mmckee44
They wrote laws that did exactly that. Sorry, but I think you need to work real hard in creating this distinction.
VashTehStampede
No, they just maintain a system to keep killing children.
IgnisInvictus
This is probably going to be Unpopular: the kid is 14. The kid needs to be charged as a juvenile. Because the kid, who murdered 4 people, is in fact a juvenile. The father needs to be charged for the crimes listed as the father had a legal responsibility for his child, namely, to prevent the child from getting his hands on firearms when already warned by the FBI that the child has made threat and may therefore be a danger.
Hashbrown123
So what, he does 7 years and then goes free? How is that fair to the victims?
elgalileo
Nothing in this tragedy is fair, and 20 years of prison won't make it fair either. But maybe, if the criminal system were doing correctly its job, the kid killer will become a decent man.
Cabreza
It’s unpopular but I agree with you on this. He’s 14 years old, he’s very much a juvenile who made the kind of rash decisions a juvenile might make. The tragedy is that he had access to an AR-15 which enabled him to carry out those decisions. Without access to the gun does he still do what he did or does he eventually get help or grow out of it?
Dudestbruh459
“Guns don’t kill people” but yeah, the access to firearms is what allows these people to kill, taking away access from them will anger those who wouldn’t have ever committed crimes with the guns (so try to not restrict those who most likely are not dangerous) but it would still prevent those crimes
CheeeseGremlin
I'm kind of torn on this. I agree he's not mentally or emotionally old enough to be classified as an adult but he's certainly old enough to know killing is wrong. I wonder if charging him as an adult could be a deterrent to others? I'm undecided
IgnisInvictus
That's why he should be charged as a juvenile. He's old enough to know right from wrong. That's why juvie law exists. He is not developed enough to be charged with the same consequences as a fully developed adult. Georgia is a death penalty state. It's unconstitutional to sentence a juvenile to capital punishment. If that's unconstitutional, and that's the punishment for an adult, doesn't it follow that the child be charged as a juvenile?
CheeeseGremlin
So if the prosecutor declines to seek the death penalty, you are ok with him being prosecuted as an adult?
IgnisInvictus
No. That's simply one logical route. The bottom line is he's 14. While he's responsible for his actions he's not responsible in the same way as a fully developed adult. The pre-frontal lobe isn't even close to being fully developed at 14. The kid can't make rational decisions the same way an adult can.
flacoloco
I believe there is a precedent now with charging the parents for their kid's action
Cats2cats
Not enough.
JohnSmithterms
Good
thegoodowl
iamgnat
Yes, but I'm shocked GA is following that trend. I'm slightly less embarrassed that I was born there.
ghostlight
To be clear, neither him or the Crumbleys (Oxford shooting) were charged for their kid's actions - they were charged for the actions they took themselves that made them legally culpable in the murders that their children carried out.
LegendaryGrumpyCat
In both cases the parent(s) bought the kid the gun that was used, right?
ghostlight
Yes, and both had been contacted by authorities regarding the threats made by their children and it appears neither took any actions to address it or help their child.
Layinginbed
There should be more of a precedence of if your gun is stolen and used in a crime, you are also held liable. I know so many people that get their guns stolen because they are not securely kept. If you have the right, you should have the responsibility.
ucandcantunc
I would disagree with this, same then would apply to a
Car being stolen. What I would say that if you fail
To report it stolen , or are just unaware, then yes.
whatsisname
No, not really. The actions done by the parents in Michigan could have just as easily been fine by a friend or something, it was their specific conduct not their relationship.
UnattendedDeviant
He definitely needs to be an example. Why would you buy *anyone an AR-15 AFTER you've been told by authorities he's been making threats to commit a mass shooting, much less a 14 year old.
Dad has the same level of responsibilities as a person hiring a hit man.
MadamPuddifoot
He also lied to the GBI, he told them his son never had access to guns unsupervised.
HowWasThisUsernameNotTaken
Gun fetishization means you have to buy your angry son a gun or else the other kids will think he's weak and queer. This isn't exaggeration.
beaubrent
Because MAGA culture demands child sacrifice.
spookyactionatadistance
As someone who lives in non crazy land WHY WOULD YOU BUY ANYONE AN AR-15. Just that to me is insane. If I met someone here that had a or multiple guns legally it would be an immediate red flag. I would classify it as someone with an obsession.
MaybeThisOneIsntTaken
I mean he's a teenager, so why would you EVER buy him one but also especially AFTER
pareidoliaperson
"Don't fucking tell my son what to do!"
Micro2112
Michigan case set the bar first. And it's a good bar to set
Hevach
It was, but this is a better prototype case. The ones in Michigan were just comic book villains. Ethan seemed to have realized the bad place he was in and asked to leave school that day. His mom hearing this and discovering that he had the gun with him still refused to come get them and demanded the school keep him in classes.
Hevach
By comparison this case seems to be a lot more mundane - gun nut parent giving a kid a gun instead of therapy was just the first line in the Crumley story but seems to be the whole deal here.
SomeDetroitGuy
Those parents (and this one) were just so fucking insanely irresponsible.
Psychonaught01
I'm not defending the guy at all but it wasn't a ar 15 all the news articles say it was a ar 15 like weapon people in general like to demonize the gun when in reality the news just loves to keep assholes like this in the news for months and people always remember the shooters and the gun and forget the school shooting ever happened
Rayxzerox
how would the media keep the shooters in the news without it reminding people that the shooting had happened?
Hevach
It was not an AR-15 but was so similar that it's compatible with AR-15 parts and was listed as one in the bill of sale. This wasn't the difference between a Chevy and a Ford, it's the difference between a Chevy and a GMC that come with slightly different headlights and trim but the GMC versions fit just fine if you want to change.
Slappydupappy
Dumb as fuck
MeeepMorp
Do you use a dildo attachment for your AR-15 or just fuck yourself with the barrel raw?
TripleDane
You are complaining about other people not remember the shooting but you are sitting and defending the gun from "type profiling"
Clearly showing your own priorities and hypocrisy there.
"Oh no wont somebody think of the poor guns getting demonized"....
LoudBirb
Oh, sure thing, account that hasn't posted or commented a goddamn thing in 2+ years but broke the silence just to be a piece of shit about a school shooting.
Nanntuckett
“It’s wasn’t an AR-15 is was a gun very similar to an AR-15.” Do you really think that makes a difference? It was an assault rifle and people died because it’s extremely easy to get one. Simple as that.
wobblecopterrrr
nobody gives shit what brand your dild is
spacetaco7997
I wish I had something poignant to say, but I have no clue what the hell point you’re trying to make… punctuation please jump in as the savior here!
graehall
HE FUCKING BOUGHT HIS SON THE AR15 AFTER HIS SON WAS REPORTED AS A RED FLAG RISK?! BURY HIM UNDER THE FUCKING JAIL WTF
pm1001
After the FBI told him
SaberShots
His 14 YEAR OLD son! Named Colt!
MadCat221
TheJuiceLoosener
The point of charging the parents isn't that they provided the gun. The point is, this is the dad who raised a fucking psychopath. Do you expect the sort of dad whose son turns out to be a psychopath to do the good or right thing?
BeastofKnowledge
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
graehall
Want worse? Relatives of the family are on facebook defending the kid
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
tsiyeria
His son is named Colt. I'm willing to bet it isn't because he looked like a baby horse.
Cats2cats
Unfortunately there is also a Colton Grey at that school. My guess is he’ll start going by his middle name. Colton I feel very sad for.
graehall
I noticed that too, pretty fucked up
Layinginbed
Pretty sure it's after the Colt Rifle
Cabreza
Do we know his middle name? I’d guess Browning or Winchester.
billstranger
Definitely not browning.
MantisTobagganMD
I assumed it more so had something to do with a Colt revolver...ya know, given how the dude is so gun crayz he bought his red flagged teenage son an AR rifle...fuckin hell.
chloramphenicolderivative
Maybe he did though. The dad certainly has a long face now.
kinarism
Lets not jump to conclusions here. We are rational folk here on imgur. Maybe the kid is named after the malt liquor.
anitabieror6
probably drinkin it when he was concieved
tsiyeria
This is a very fair point.
masteryoplait
Have you not met half of the white guys in America? They want women to be their slaves, black jobs for black people & deportation camps for immigrants. They want theirs and could care less about others.
THEmichaelscarn12
Gegenschein
They’re loud enough that you’re forgiven for thinking there’s more of them than they are
masteryoplait
That’s fair. Although it really sucks to where I have to consider every interaction with any working class white guy.
masteryoplait
I mean they used to be my buddies because we shared in the struggles in life.
TheS4ndm4n
Unfortunately, they all vote.
TexMexHex
As a caucasian male in Texas...this is accurate. Cant wait to move far, far away.
masteryoplait
Thank you for being you.
wodansring
same
Cats2cats
That’s not half the men in the U.S. Quarter maybe, just seems like more.
masteryoplait
Fair enough. Although I said half the white men.
Cats2cats
Ok about an eighth.
itsokimaussie
The phrase is "couldn't care less", not "could care less".
masteryoplait
Thanks!
Cats2cats
*couldn’t care less
Outlavv
Everyone understamds what they mean so who cares?
lljkstonefish
Most of the time when you say a thing, and you mean the exact opposite thing, you have not succeeded at communication. This is not a desirable outcome.