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Aaron Siri wants the FDA to revoke the polio vaccine. My dad had polio. He didn't have the worst outcome. But 50% nerve degeneration in your leg, then decades later was diagnosed with post-polio syndrome where he lost 50% in the other leg along with experiencing such pain that no opiate could subdue.
He had friends who had the iron lung, and one who wore legs braces for the rest of his life.
Elections have consequences.
May Mr. Siri watch his offspring sit in an iron lung...
Write your Representatives now to oppose RFK's nomination. Siri is his legal advisor.
Otteritup
Not all of us want to die young like the Kennedys
softballguy
If government-funded vaxes are eliminated, all that'll be left would be private, for-profit vax dispensers. Expensive, profitable ones.
TheCornBanana
There's no way to spin it either. It's just prepare for pestilence and plague
syko2k
"Write your Representatives now to oppose RFK's nomination."
If playing the political game fixed anything, your country wouldn't be in the shit shape it's in. Stop playing by the rules they set. Just "remove" them.
jmacg
I have a better plan. Given that a) there is no natural reservoir other than humans: b) we have a safe and effective vaccine against it; and c) polio has been a blight on humanity since before recorded history, I say we kill it.
Bonus: once it’s eradicated, there is no more need to vaccinate against it.
LucyMei
We were close to eradicating it all over the world, like smallpox. India has already practically done eradicated polio. Now, the question is why would anyone go against a century old vaccine, used by billions of people , to an almost eradicated disease? Why this one, why now?
mrpink83
Vaccines are dumb! /s
mrpink83
Yet they have saved millions of lives....
darrowcd
Hey Siri, fuck off.
PoisonHugs
Luigi … where are you ?? Need you again for these lunatics
DesdemonaMoor
I grew up with a wheelchair bound great uncle who got polio as a kid.
OzRockabella
Let him try it on for size first, then see if he changes his mind. Filth. Fuck off back to the 14th Century, you troglodyte.
ItsACrazyWorld
Someone should inject his kids with polio and then let's see if he changes his mind or have him sit in a iron lung for 48 hours
rIOsK
I hope it's just an Imgur bubble, but Murrican politcians looks like a special kind of dumb
aplrst
Where the fuck do they find these lawyers?
opermech
I am so tired of stupid people making policies. Shut the fuck up let people way smarter than you, suggest and come up with better things. This applies to any field. Science education mining environment manufacturing. How did the plastic versus paper bags work out. But hey what the fuck do I know
rubypilgrim
I said during the 2020 election that Trump wanted to rule over a cemetery. I wish I was wrong, but here we are.
Comet260
Blame the voters. I sure as hell do.
rubypilgrim
To be fair, we've been facing an intense propaganda war for decades now. It's complex, but essentially those engaging in the war figured out how to divide us, and ever since have work tirelessly to deepen that divide. The only way you can even know this is going on is to understand at least a little about global politics, propaganda and rhetoric, all subjects which most people have zero interest in. It's even harder to avoid it, let alone stop it.
OzRockabella
Russia must be laughing. Drumpf is doing their work for them, and they don't have to lift a finger. Welcome to the Dark Ages.
baturro
Hey Siri...go fuck yourself
SiberiaJeff
My dad spent half a year in an iron lung when he got polio. He then lost the use of his arms and prematurely died from weakened lungs. Polio is a terror!!!!
Becker37
I mean, really? There's just no words for how truly ridiculous this all is. And we're just gonna let all this shit happen cause of an election? Fuck the election and fuck the government. These are all evil pieces of shit who shouldn't be running a goddamned thing. This is a good reason to overthrown them. Trump doing it was WRONG but us doing it is RIGHT. Why? Because they're going to kill us all
JoeMangoJello
Hey Siri, go fuck yourself!
ziph3326
You know his children would get the vaccine. He says this for power and control.
PascalBP
Pretending to talk to my iPhone: hey siri, shut the fuck up
fokjoudoos
"Siri, what caliber did Luigi Magione prefer.."
littleblueengine
Seriously? None of you made the joke yet?! Fine... I'll do it.
*Rolls up sleeves*
Trump: "Okay Siri... Cancel Polio vaccination campaign"
cuttysark
What is motivating him to want to do this? There has to be something, most people aren't so dumb as to oppose something so valuable to society
AlienJeffries81
He’s a crank
cuttysark
obviously, but there has to be something driving him in this direction. Otherwise, why do it?
AlienJeffries81
Money. It’s hard to explain the cottage industry that is involved in conspiracies and misinformation. Now he’s got a government job and plenty of opportunities for graft.
Hekatombe
Standard antivaxers nonsense https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/tag/aaron-siri/
Bollramm
CallMeTrix
Thompsoning, immediate Thompsoning.
Shoutrr
Not pictured: he is sitting next to Miss ALEXA
SeasonedCitizen
Big Pharma writes big checks to politicians. They will stop writing those checks if someone bans vaccines, birth control pills and other drugs that make them wealthy. Am I wrong? Also, fuck you Mr. Siri, what kind of stupid fucking name is that?
supervillin
If you ran Big Restaurant, you wouldn't want a shot that makes people full for 5 years at a time. You want to sell food all day every day to hungry people.
ButtonMasherZ
Vaccines reduce later illnesses. If people still get those illnesses, they’ll be paying for medicine for the rest of their life, rather than for the vaccine.
A healthy public funnels less money into medical businesses than one riddled with disease.
borkmeister
Vaccines generally aren't huge moneymakers, especially something like the Polio vaccine. Perhaps if they tried to ban all mRNA vaccines, especially with all the money poured into research over the past 20+ years with them only recently hitting the market.
natebitatibetan
Siri surname is Italian in origin.
UhSadHJ84
He likes the sausage
DocFunkenstein
I asked this before, but no one had an answer, so I'll try again: What the fuck even is the argument for this?!?
This is the FDA, not Congress. They don't make laws. They approve whether a substance is safe to use or not. And there's been almost 75 god damned years of proof that the vaccine is safe AND saves lives.
So what the god damned everliving FUCK do they think is going to happen here?
sideeyehussle
They think it causes autism despite the fact that has been debunked and the guy who connected the two Andrew Wakefield has been thoroughly discredited. But the wellness industry and influencers refuse to believe that. Absolute dummies.
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DocFunkenstein
Again, that's a reason.
Not the argument they're making to the FDA.
defensivebackhair
I think this another notch in their belt to control everyone. If people can't get vaccinated, they can't leave. Now, most of America is already vaccinated because it has been mandatory and (for now) still is. BUT, if incoming children can't get it, they can't leave, their parents can't leave. This is, of course, under the assumption that there are countries out there that would be open to Americans. American arrogance, stupidity, overtness killed relationships with a lot of people.
ExogenousDataStructure
Don’t assume science or common sense has to do with this. Instead, use Occam’s Razor. There is no rational argument for vaccine hesitancy. This argument has been delivered largely via social media. Removing the requirement of childhood vaccines will cause death. Who benefits if the American democracy is overwhelmed by deaths? Who benefits by the significant destabilization of American democracy?
HeywouldJablowme
It's easier to understand when you realize they're actively trying to destroy our country. Is that simple.
unluckyandbored
Because RFK Jr is a brainless idiot who thinks vaccines are bad. All of them.
Oatmealman1
They want to reintroduce deadly diseases to thin the population so that the remaining will be DESPERATE and they will be able to hold onto power because there will be fewer people to fight against them.
nosferatradamus
They will ensure a private company will offer the polio vaccine, for starters , at a nominal market rate going forward .. The rich stay healthy while the sick stay poor...
dannnen1
To kill some poor people
Wiesel2000
wtwvi
The more people that get hurt and suffer, the more snake oil they can sell.
Rhythmaster
They want to circumvent science and just have uninformed conspiracy mongering politicians make all the decisions. They want more power over every aspect of the government and regulatory frameworks. They want to devalue and demonize experts and expertise so they can take over and in many cases, simply destroy the agencies over time. Destroying institutions is important for fascists because these institutions challenge their idea of absolute power for the fascist leader and his cronies.
Rhythmaster
Mussolini said consolidating power was like "plucking a chicken" as in you must remove bits of the state standing in your way, one feather at a time, that's what is happening now.
AlexanderElcazorro
It costs money, and it only keeps the poor people alive anyway, of whom we have far too many anyway. Better to thin the herd and put more money in our own pockets. We have enough money anyway, and vaccines for ourselves privately. At this point we're pursuing greed beyond the capacity for logic or rational thought, let alone human decency or morality. We also enjoy the power trip of complete totalitarian rule, doing whatever we want, and whatever our supporters praise us for.
vegivamp
There's the real answer. Keep em sick, keep em poor.
Rest assured, the vaccine will remain in production because the rest of the world isn't quite as retarded as the US, and it will remain available for the children of the wealthy and powerful.
AlmostClever
The honest answer is they don't believe the vaccine has been properly vetted. From a Gizmodo article "in the case of the polio and hepatitis B vaccine, he has argued that they should be removed until they’ve been tested in double-blinded, placebo-controlled randomized studies." It's just goalpost moving and bad-faith arguments.
graehall
They hate that science is accurate because they should be the only ones allowed to say what is and isn't accurate. So millions must die
idiotsonfire
They doubt the vaccine's efficacy because they're braindead and the vaccine works. They don't see it every day, so they think its faked.
idiotsonfire
They are literally too stupid to function so they buy into every single conspiracy theory stupidity fiesta.
CallMeTrix
Because nobody has shot this fucker nor RFK yet.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
"If we get the FDA to stop covering it, and use our private businesses, we'll make a shitton of money."
TheDogEnd
The argument is that they're fucking stupid and just saying and doing shit makes them feel a little less stupid. They still are though.
VodkaReindeer
"The Informed Consent Action Network (“ICAN”) is a non-profit organization that
advocates for informed consent and disseminates information necessary for same with regard to
all medical interventions. In 2017, a supporter of ICAN advised the organization that the clinical
trial relied upon by the FDA to license IPOL reviewed safety for only three days after injection.
ICAN found this claim incredible. It sounded nothing short of a conspiracy theory."
VodkaReindeer
Source: https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf. The petition was linked in this CNN article: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/13/health/kennedy-lawyer-fda-polio-vaccine/index.html
SeasonedCitizen
They want to bring back polio and other things, then bring back the drugs so they can claim they fixed the problem.
whatbuttondoipush
This is almost literally the same argument that the right wing has been about the ATF making "rules" about gun control. The ATF cannot make laws but they can make rules that are enforceable by huge fines and decades jail time. It's called Chevron Deference.
Sonicschilidogs
Chevron was overturned by the SCROTUS
Mr21782Man
Long debunked theories that deadly diseases fortify the immune system when a person gets them. A long debunked paper that vaccines cause autism.
natebitatibetan
Yeah. There have been 20 studies including 660,000 children that showed conclusively that vaccines do not cause autism.
pintDMG
https://www.regulations.gov/docket/FDA-2022-P-1998/document Here's the petition, you can read the argument for yourself. Validity of the claims notwithstanding (and boy is there some twisted logic in there), the documents do include a few interesting notes that imgurians would normally call out as corruption from healthcare companies. But hey, foaming mouths are easier than nuance.
pintDMG
Foaming mouths on both sides, mind. This whole thing could have just as easily been spun as "Big Pharma bribed the FDA into only approving one untested vaccine that might have side effects to drive long-term dependence on even less regulated mental health drugs!", and then the sides would be reversed. Point is: It's worth seeing which kernel of truth an opponent chooses to base their twisted argument on - they might be wrong on *what* is wrong, but not *that* something is wrong.
diezl97
FDA makes the rules. Congress passed the law authorizing them to make rules with the thinking that in the old days the FDA was run by scientists and doctors who know what they're talking about, not dipshits like Siri. The idiots have gained control of the keys to the castle.
DocFunkenstein
Yes, they do. And he's a lawyer, not a member of the FDA. A lawyer making an argument about why they should revoke the vaccine.
I have no idea where you came up with what you said.
Comet260
They got the keys cuz the voters HANDED them the keys!
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darkninja2992
Dammit, couldn't we have at least gotten slaanesh? At least then we can get some enjoyment and kinky stuff among the bullshit
Scylia
the most common followers of slaanesh are cannibal cults, she's extreme degenerate excess in all its forms, not just debauchery.
darkninja2992
At least we'll finally eat the
johnxbear
Liberals said vaccine good. Have to disagree no matter what.
Lovingimpaler
Exactly this, oh and, say the opposite of the truth, forcing the faithful to bend their thinking again; it trains their intellectual cuckness, like training AI on bad data. The general welfare is obviously of no concern when raw power is the goal.
Fairemont
Suffering. Lots of suffering. Which they want
DocFunkenstein
No, that's their reason, not their argument for this.
tachyx
I'm sure it's easy enough to get them to argue for suffering.
Fairemont
Oh, I don't know then. Maybe that'll also be the arguenent?
natebitatibetan
Their argument, as I understand it, is that some harm is caused by the vaccine. To me that argument falls flat on its face. Polio irradiation far outweighs the fraction of 1% of harm that might occur.
monkeyfly
It's not about making sense.
ramshead91
The chance of vaccine source polio in the US is zero. We don't use a live virus vaccine which is a stronger vaccine but slightly higher risk. In countries were polio is still a risk those vaccines are used and they do occasionally cause some illness but are much less severe than true polio.
Even in those situations is percents of a percent where the risk is.
Beefkins
Had a student in my X-ray class that developed GBS after receiving Gardasil. She used to post a bunch of dumb shit on Facebook about how vaccines were unsafe, all while completely ignoring all peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary. It didn't matter that it had helped millions of people avoid developing cancers, it (maybe) did something bad to her and therefore the benefits didn't outweigh the risks.
RockKickass
Their legal argument is it didn’t go through the proper vetting channels before being released, therefore they need to remove it to test again. It’s ridiculous but it’ll get to the SCOTUS then who knows what’ll happen. Vaccines are cheap but pharma can get a lot more money from the treatments
marvinTraveler
That logic is indeed utterly absurd.
There are some risks associated with vaccines, just because of the way they work. That’s why efficacy has to be proven.
The Polio vaccine in particular has been a resounding success. Decades of empirical evidence demonstrate benefits which far outweigh the risks.
Even proposing a stoppage of Polio vaccination should give anyone a one way ticket to perennial societal opprobrium.
Why this person is considered serious and sane is beyond me.
PPlank
*eradication?
natebitatibetan
Yes. Thank you. Stupid spell check.
reichstein
Thank god.
Radioactive polio sounds fucking terrifying!
xFlenserx
They keep running with that causes autism bs. Autism has more than likely been around for thousands of years as wierd uncle George or the village herbalist who has an almost encyclopedic knowledge of plants but tends to shy from people and noisy villages. They are idiots that have no concept of science. They have no understanding of how labels and diagnoses of things constant in human history are now "more prevalent" simply because of communication and advancement. They are morons!
zelda633000
And even if vaccines did cause autism (which I know they don't) wouldn't alive but autistic still be better than dead from a disease like polio or smallpox?!?!? Or on the spectrum but paralyzed? How can someone like RFK Jr be the one to make that determination? I read a comment somewhere from a teen, who is on the autism spectrum, say that it's pretty insulting and disheartening to hear so many people asserting that they'd basically rather let their child die than to "be like me". Damn...
NotAPervert
Autistic people disproportionately represented in STEM right? Doesn’t autism cause vaccines?
phssthpok
I read somewhere a while back that something like 90% of top mathematicians are on the autism spectrum.
xFlenserx
LOL! touche.... i agree they could. Have a +1
sfcorax
If that is their argument, then we may as well ban all drugs.
natebitatibetan
Some think it's God's will and who are we to make end runs around God. Their logic is pretty stupid because one could argue their God inspired the person who came up with the vaccine to end suffering. But I have read the Bible, God loves punishment. So I dunno. Let's just have the vaccine and let God sort it out when we're dead.
sakasiru
Except viagra, of course. Because everything else is god's will, but a flaccid noodle requires human intervention.
porphyre1e00
But they warn you about priapism right in the ads....
HeadJamistan
Hey... hey... who told you their plans?
akodorokku
Well that can't be true, they want their Big Pharma buds to keep making billions.
HeadJamistan
Well, the plan goes hand in hand with gutting all the regulations they wanna gut. They're gonna let food companies poison the food for profit and then the pharma companies are gonna sell the antidotes for huge money. Deregulation for ALL industries!