Jul 24, 2017 9:33 PM
MassiveOctopus
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ItsActuallyDavidNow
How 'bout a crazy wedding. Where something happens and do-do-do-do-do.
BilltheCatisBack
Need to note the South Park episode ... the Simpsons did it.
AnotherUsernameIsTaken
chuzzwassa
archereagle
Shows tend to go downhill when characters become caricatures of their defining qualities...
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Usually, but not always. Take Parks and Rec and Andy, the show improved when he turned from a slightly childish singer to a complete idiot.
WorkSleep
A process called Flanderization - after Ned Flanders.
HarryPotterReferenceProbably
Well put. Brooklyn 99 has already done it,as has last man on Earth. They still give good episodes but they characters are just silly now.
CuntPuncher1000
So did Flanders and Krabapple hook up? Asking for a friend.
whowantstoknow
They got married. Though the character died in the show when the voice actress Marcia Wallace died.
palmo
yeah but they brought back lunch lady Doris recently so retired characters aren't a sure thing
thesmelge
They are if the voice actor died.
Doris Grau died in like 97 or 98. Her character was retired until about 3 years ago.
BarryTheCyborg
finewine8888
Now do one for HIMYM
ILikeToCallItLostWages
shit should stopped with victoria in season 1
kofjfsfsf
The line hit the bottom everytime Lily did something awful or got mad at marshal for little to no reason... what a bitch.
BlindDivine
that show was never good. done.
gamessss
flat line along the bottom
shredder826
IMO, HIMYM peaked in season 3, 4/5 were ok. Seasons 6-9 were awful, they stopped creating awesome arcs and revisited too many mysteries.
aguacatedeldiablo
It was uneven, to be sure, but I can't think of a whole season that I hated the way I do with, say, Scrubs.
LaBotte
I don't know why everybody hated season 9...I really loves Lucy Denise Drew and Cole characters !!!
Gianttesticlemonster
given this timeline scorpio's flamethrower is probably what destroyed the quality of the show. He's season 8.
brickkpunchley
Yes Mister Scorpion, I will notice that.
HouseOfEvil
It was Scorpio's secret plan!!
thebob72
This is my favorite episode ever!
Morgoth117
37bushelsofpotatoesx2
I stopped watching about the time Maude died.
Mobax
I kept watching until the movie came out. I was hoping the movie would be the series finale. Imo Maude dying was the turning point
I did watch the movie, it reminded me of how disconnected the show had become. In 2007.
markratzisbalding
At least Seinfeld ended on top
TurquoiseTortoise
JustQuitIt
Yes, this would be the best result
VoidIncarnate
Why did you post a gif of Sean Spicer?
APictureofLokiEveryday
Homer, the original Spicer.
MetalSkeletal
Dental plan!
corkyburceck
ASSAULT ASS WITH PENCIL ATTACK!
BloodyCrowOfCainhurst
Lisa needs braces
Buck39
Helix08
Best years was when Conan was writing.
Jbjams
I stopped watching when it basically became a variety show serving up lazy plots just to serve a celebrity guest(s).
AlexanderSupertramper
Exactly. I grew up on The Simpsons, absolutely loving it. Today it just infuriates me.
dangerdames
https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1454696692ra/18002302.gif
hansolongdingdongtralala
shwiggityshwoot
Can someone explain "Marge and Homer now grew up in the 90s"?
ajlareneg
It was an episode that retconned Marge and Homer's past.
smileyalyssa
there was a flashback episode to Homer & Marge in highschool again. but this one took place in the 90's instead of the 70's. makes no sense.
raulote
honestly I think till season 12 - 13 they were solid
JonSnowNotedWindmillExpert
13 was the first season with more bad than good episodes.
yorkshiretee
Where do you learn graphs? Where's my axis titles and key?!
madmantid
x is years on air, y is average episode rating
dennydorko
Close. y-axis is based on original author's opinion. https://twitter.com/solmaquina/status/878252029960966146
bane13
Not hating on simpsons, but Fox drags it out 3 decades but kills any sci-fi at the first sign it "might" waiver in ratings...Fox sucks
alpacasaurusrex
Fox is a god damned cancer. Fox is the Trump and Comcast of channels.
far0manimal
No, Fox actually aired that sci-fi in the first place, unlike *every other network*.
Particularly looking at *you* Paramount for flogging Star Trek beyond recognition and passing on all other sci-fi.
Star Trek is better than Simpsons. There are a lot of Sci-fi shows Fox has killed because they don't have good enough ratings because they
Don't factor in things like DVR and rerun watching.
imonewiththeforceandtheforceiswithme
$$$$ think about the financial and time costs of a Simpsons episode and a Firefly episode
Wazzu
Cost isn't profits. Merchandising, tie-ins, etc. are good for the simpsons as well, and advertising on it probably pays reasonable.
noSmuggler
That can't be much difference, obviously cartoons can be cheaper but these days the voice actors must have huge salaries.
That's why I then factor in time cost. You could probably put an episode together in 1-2 weeks vs a live action that takes months
Kalriostraz
Most recent I could find (2009) put an episode as taking a total of 6-8 months to create. Can't presently find data for a live action.
I think it's the season, not just a single episode. But that still seems excessive, they should figure out ways to work faster
GeekTherapyRadioPodcast
Don't forget Arrested Development. A show too clever to do well.
akducks2
Honestly I think AD was just ahead of its time. I know I didn't like it when it first came out. Love it now.
Foxsayy
I wonder if it was more marketing. Seems like it had a popularity spike post-end (season 4), no?
FrostytheSnowcolt
Well, maybe if they didn't air episodes OUT OF FUCKING ORDER!
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
i don't think we can ever forgive them for that.
JayEnfield
In different time slots each week... IF there isn't some "who wants to marry a rich twat" special feature reality show to flog.
iamdickburns
The syndication and DVD sets for the Simpsons make it worth keeping around. You won't get that out of sci-fi
RumpBuffalo
Yeah, I don't know a singular popular sci-fi series...
There aren't anymore. They all get canceled.
You can't get them to do well if you don't air them correctly or let them live long enough for a proper DVD release.
Aaronb1138
Except Paramount which milked the hell out of Star Trek. Remember when TOS VHS episodes were $30 EACH! Pepperidge Farm remembers.
10/10 would take all of Star Trek outside DS9 and Enterprise over Simpsons.
Bigdaddyclean
They stopped making DVDs, makes me sad
Amblydoper
Futurama, Firefly, both did great in syndication. Fox just sucks.
Fox wants to bring back Firefly but will only do it if Joss heads it. Because face it, they know with the marvel movies he's gold.
I know I'm outnumbered here *and* defending Fox (*gasp*), but we would never have had Firefly at all if not for Fox.
Luchalma
On average the show is not great anymore but there ARE still great episodes of the Simpsons post decline.
TheRedOnesTasteLikeBurning
Mentok
I'll watch them as long as they make them, and long after. Any Simpsons > no Simpsons
No if they would just release the rest of the fucking seasons on DVD or Blu-Ray! fucking fucks
Can't disagree, but they are all on fxx
Buy my shelves they desire the rest so much
LBarto
100% agree
I don't know that I consider the movie a peak.
TheSecondPiewackit
You'll notice that it doesn't make it up to the Golden Years height. Or even the decline. I still enjoyed it. Saw a midnight showing, even.
Yeah same, we all had high hopes. I mean it wasn't awful but all the things I laughed at were the things I laughed at in the trailer
dmoore182
The Simpsons is like the Fast and the Furious. No matter how bad it gets, it's still gonna make money.
AverySillyName
If you can't appreciate Jason Statham fighting a bunch of dudes whilst holding a baby I don't know what to tell you.
AndrewSFerguson
Except the Fast and Furious didn't get good until Five.
ColoneISanders
I'd ask why Futurama had to end while this show keeps going but then I realize I'm kind of glad it didn't get run into the ground.
Notme68
I hope it goes on forever. Part of its perceived decline is all the fantastic shows it inspired - including Futurama. ¹
If Simpsons had failed: no Rick and Morty, Bob's Burgers, nor even South Park. I bet you could tie anime's increased American popularity.
I would hardly credit Anime's rise in popularity in the US to the Simpsons. I credit the internet and more/easier access to foreign content.
Animation being mainstream acceptable for adults in America can be credited towards the Simpsons. 1
Simpsons were mainstream before internet was mainstream. Them being profitable increased American investment in Animation. 2
fistermatic5000
Which is also why I'm not entirely bummed out that Rick and Morty seasons are so few and far in between.
hepatitvsj
And venture Brothers. As much as I'm dying for more...
wesawtheseas
Yeah but 3 - 6 were basically unwatchable. So much that I do t even know if there are 6 seasons I'm just guessing at that number.
Are you insane? 3-6 is when VB moved from parody of old Johnny Quest type shows and built on its own legacy.
AUGACUGAAUCGUCGUAG
IMO futurama got waaaay run into the ground halfway through the movies. Fry went from stupid to braindead somewhere in that frame.
Elonth
to hell with your feelings. I want more futurama.
gwhh
Same here
thraxcres
The thing is with futurama you could do anything with aliens and technology. Just being normal people Simpsons is limited
LlamaLingo
Futurama, not run into the ground...?
qualal
I think the right # of seasons for most franchises is 5. No show should ever go beyond 10 seasons. Spread them out if you must but Max at 10
ThatOneGuyFromKYinND
The right number of episodes is the number that people are willing to pay for.
Brainsplosion
It got ran into the ground a couple times.
Futurama could go in a hell of a lot more directions than the Simpsons.
Muffakin
Spoke too soon, buddy
GrandmaSlappy
The later seasons and movies kinda did
NightfallEverdark
Futurama had the single best ending to a television show I believe I have ever seen.
meatskeleton
Me too, but i wish they would still do movies
Trunko
The movies were crap
NeunEinsEins
BITE MY MOVIE-LOVING METAL...
Kage197
Good on you, sir
FlatPlutoSociety
This. The show ended on a perfect comedic and emotionally satisfying note. Another movie once in a while would be great, though.
PonyMadness
There are movies
thatmangodude
MOOORRE!
But, MORE
canderousbossk
Moh movies moh enjoyment
Myowngrampa
Really? How'd I not know this?
chickindog
I agree with the golden years. I was a big fan and then tuned out after season 10. Homer getting hypodermic needles in the eye?, Not Funny.
flyingmonsters
What are the golden years season wise? Having trouble reading this graph
thoroughlysketchy
According to the chart, beginning of season 3 to mid-season 8.
thanks
centerjourney
The re-runs used to be on every channel all the time, now they're just on once a week on Fox
Its on in mini-marathons on FXX multiple nights.
PresidentProTempore
In Argentina they have reruns on ALL THE TIME.
MOnte343
Same in australia
pphnx
México as well...
aTokenOfMyExtreme
Isn't it still on FX 3 days a week?
BlandNotBoring
Yes. I'm watching it now. Lol
ItsActuallyDavidNow
How 'bout a crazy wedding. Where something happens and do-do-do-do-do.
BilltheCatisBack
Need to note the South Park episode ... the Simpsons did it.
AnotherUsernameIsTaken
chuzzwassa
archereagle
Shows tend to go downhill when characters become caricatures of their defining qualities...
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Usually, but not always. Take Parks and Rec and Andy, the show improved when he turned from a slightly childish singer to a complete idiot.
WorkSleep
A process called Flanderization - after Ned Flanders.
HarryPotterReferenceProbably
Well put. Brooklyn 99 has already done it,as has last man on Earth. They still give good episodes but they characters are just silly now.
CuntPuncher1000
So did Flanders and Krabapple hook up? Asking for a friend.
whowantstoknow
They got married. Though the character died in the show when the voice actress Marcia Wallace died.
palmo
yeah but they brought back lunch lady Doris recently so retired characters aren't a sure thing
thesmelge
They are if the voice actor died.
palmo
Doris Grau died in like 97 or 98. Her character was retired until about 3 years ago.
BarryTheCyborg
finewine8888
Now do one for HIMYM
ILikeToCallItLostWages
shit should stopped with victoria in season 1
kofjfsfsf
The line hit the bottom everytime Lily did something awful or got mad at marshal for little to no reason... what a bitch.
BlindDivine
that show was never good. done.
gamessss
flat line along the bottom
shredder826
IMO, HIMYM peaked in season 3, 4/5 were ok. Seasons 6-9 were awful, they stopped creating awesome arcs and revisited too many mysteries.
aguacatedeldiablo
It was uneven, to be sure, but I can't think of a whole season that I hated the way I do with, say, Scrubs.
LaBotte
I don't know why everybody hated season 9...I really loves Lucy Denise Drew and Cole characters !!!
Gianttesticlemonster
brickkpunchley
Yes Mister Scorpion, I will notice that.
HouseOfEvil
It was Scorpio's secret plan!!
thebob72
This is my favorite episode ever!
Morgoth117
37bushelsofpotatoesx2
I stopped watching about the time Maude died.
Mobax
I kept watching until the movie came out. I was hoping the movie would be the series finale. Imo Maude dying was the turning point
37bushelsofpotatoesx2
I did watch the movie, it reminded me of how disconnected the show had become. In 2007.
markratzisbalding
At least Seinfeld ended on top
TurquoiseTortoise
JustQuitIt
Yes, this would be the best result
VoidIncarnate
Why did you post a gif of Sean Spicer?
APictureofLokiEveryday
Homer, the original Spicer.
MetalSkeletal
Dental plan!
corkyburceck
ASSAULT ASS WITH PENCIL ATTACK!
BloodyCrowOfCainhurst
Lisa needs braces
Buck39
Dental plan!
Helix08
Best years was when Conan was writing.
Jbjams
I stopped watching when it basically became a variety show serving up lazy plots just to serve a celebrity guest(s).
AlexanderSupertramper
Exactly. I grew up on The Simpsons, absolutely loving it. Today it just infuriates me.
dangerdames
https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1454696692ra/18002302.gif
hansolongdingdongtralala
shwiggityshwoot
Can someone explain "Marge and Homer now grew up in the 90s"?
ajlareneg
It was an episode that retconned Marge and Homer's past.
smileyalyssa
there was a flashback episode to Homer & Marge in highschool again. but this one took place in the 90's instead of the 70's. makes no sense.
raulote
honestly I think till season 12 - 13 they were solid
JonSnowNotedWindmillExpert
13 was the first season with more bad than good episodes.
yorkshiretee
Where do you learn graphs? Where's my axis titles and key?!
madmantid
x is years on air, y is average episode rating
dennydorko
Close. y-axis is based on original author's opinion. https://twitter.com/solmaquina/status/878252029960966146
bane13
Not hating on simpsons, but Fox drags it out 3 decades but kills any sci-fi at the first sign it "might" waiver in ratings...Fox sucks
alpacasaurusrex
Fox is a god damned cancer. Fox is the Trump and Comcast of channels.
far0manimal
No, Fox actually aired that sci-fi in the first place, unlike *every other network*.
far0manimal
Particularly looking at *you* Paramount for flogging Star Trek beyond recognition and passing on all other sci-fi.
alpacasaurusrex
Star Trek is better than Simpsons. There are a lot of Sci-fi shows Fox has killed because they don't have good enough ratings because they
alpacasaurusrex
Don't factor in things like DVR and rerun watching.
imonewiththeforceandtheforceiswithme
$$$$ think about the financial and time costs of a Simpsons episode and a Firefly episode
Wazzu
Cost isn't profits. Merchandising, tie-ins, etc. are good for the simpsons as well, and advertising on it probably pays reasonable.
noSmuggler
That can't be much difference, obviously cartoons can be cheaper but these days the voice actors must have huge salaries.
imonewiththeforceandtheforceiswithme
That's why I then factor in time cost. You could probably put an episode together in 1-2 weeks vs a live action that takes months
Kalriostraz
Most recent I could find (2009) put an episode as taking a total of 6-8 months to create. Can't presently find data for a live action.
imonewiththeforceandtheforceiswithme
I think it's the season, not just a single episode. But that still seems excessive, they should figure out ways to work faster
GeekTherapyRadioPodcast
Don't forget Arrested Development. A show too clever to do well.
akducks2
Honestly I think AD was just ahead of its time. I know I didn't like it when it first came out. Love it now.
Foxsayy
I wonder if it was more marketing. Seems like it had a popularity spike post-end (season 4), no?
FrostytheSnowcolt
Well, maybe if they didn't air episodes OUT OF FUCKING ORDER!
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
i don't think we can ever forgive them for that.
JayEnfield
In different time slots each week... IF there isn't some "who wants to marry a rich twat" special feature reality show to flog.
iamdickburns
The syndication and DVD sets for the Simpsons make it worth keeping around. You won't get that out of sci-fi
RumpBuffalo
Yeah, I don't know a singular popular sci-fi series...
alpacasaurusrex
There aren't anymore. They all get canceled.
thesmelge
You can't get them to do well if you don't air them correctly or let them live long enough for a proper DVD release.
Aaronb1138
Except Paramount which milked the hell out of Star Trek. Remember when TOS VHS episodes were $30 EACH! Pepperidge Farm remembers.
alpacasaurusrex
10/10 would take all of Star Trek outside DS9 and Enterprise over Simpsons.
Bigdaddyclean
They stopped making DVDs, makes me sad
Amblydoper
Futurama, Firefly, both did great in syndication. Fox just sucks.
alpacasaurusrex
Fox wants to bring back Firefly but will only do it if Joss heads it. Because face it, they know with the marvel movies he's gold.
far0manimal
I know I'm outnumbered here *and* defending Fox (*gasp*), but we would never have had Firefly at all if not for Fox.
Luchalma
On average the show is not great anymore but there ARE still great episodes of the Simpsons post decline.
TheRedOnesTasteLikeBurning
Mentok
I'll watch them as long as they make them, and long after. Any Simpsons > no Simpsons
Bigdaddyclean
No if they would just release the rest of the fucking seasons on DVD or Blu-Ray! fucking fucks
Mentok
Can't disagree, but they are all on fxx
Bigdaddyclean
Buy my shelves they desire the rest so much
LBarto
100% agree
noSmuggler
I don't know that I consider the movie a peak.
TheSecondPiewackit
You'll notice that it doesn't make it up to the Golden Years height. Or even the decline. I still enjoyed it. Saw a midnight showing, even.
noSmuggler
Yeah same, we all had high hopes. I mean it wasn't awful but all the things I laughed at were the things I laughed at in the trailer
dmoore182
The Simpsons is like the Fast and the Furious. No matter how bad it gets, it's still gonna make money.
AverySillyName
If you can't appreciate Jason Statham fighting a bunch of dudes whilst holding a baby I don't know what to tell you.
AndrewSFerguson
Except the Fast and Furious didn't get good until Five.
ColoneISanders
I'd ask why Futurama had to end while this show keeps going but then I realize I'm kind of glad it didn't get run into the ground.
Notme68
I hope it goes on forever. Part of its perceived decline is all the fantastic shows it inspired - including Futurama. ¹
Notme68
If Simpsons had failed: no Rick and Morty, Bob's Burgers, nor even South Park. I bet you could tie anime's increased American popularity.
ColoneISanders
I would hardly credit Anime's rise in popularity in the US to the Simpsons. I credit the internet and more/easier access to foreign content.
Notme68
Animation being mainstream acceptable for adults in America can be credited towards the Simpsons. 1
Notme68
Simpsons were mainstream before internet was mainstream. Them being profitable increased American investment in Animation. 2
fistermatic5000
Which is also why I'm not entirely bummed out that Rick and Morty seasons are so few and far in between.
hepatitvsj
And venture Brothers. As much as I'm dying for more...
wesawtheseas
Yeah but 3 - 6 were basically unwatchable. So much that I do t even know if there are 6 seasons I'm just guessing at that number.
hepatitvsj
Are you insane? 3-6 is when VB moved from parody of old Johnny Quest type shows and built on its own legacy.
AUGACUGAAUCGUCGUAG
IMO futurama got waaaay run into the ground halfway through the movies. Fry went from stupid to braindead somewhere in that frame.
Elonth
to hell with your feelings. I want more futurama.
gwhh
Same here
thraxcres
The thing is with futurama you could do anything with aliens and technology. Just being normal people Simpsons is limited
LlamaLingo
Futurama, not run into the ground...?
qualal
I think the right # of seasons for most franchises is 5. No show should ever go beyond 10 seasons. Spread them out if you must but Max at 10
ThatOneGuyFromKYinND
The right number of episodes is the number that people are willing to pay for.
Brainsplosion
It got ran into the ground a couple times.
TheSecondPiewackit
Futurama could go in a hell of a lot more directions than the Simpsons.
Muffakin
Spoke too soon, buddy
GrandmaSlappy
The later seasons and movies kinda did
NightfallEverdark
Futurama had the single best ending to a television show I believe I have ever seen.
meatskeleton
Me too, but i wish they would still do movies
Trunko
The movies were crap
NeunEinsEins
BITE MY MOVIE-LOVING METAL...
Kage197
Good on you, sir
FlatPlutoSociety
This. The show ended on a perfect comedic and emotionally satisfying note. Another movie once in a while would be great, though.
PonyMadness
There are movies
thatmangodude
MOOORRE!
meatskeleton
But, MORE
canderousbossk
Moh movies moh enjoyment
Myowngrampa
Really? How'd I not know this?
chickindog
I agree with the golden years. I was a big fan and then tuned out after season 10. Homer getting hypodermic needles in the eye?, Not Funny.
flyingmonsters
What are the golden years season wise? Having trouble reading this graph
thoroughlysketchy
According to the chart, beginning of season 3 to mid-season 8.
flyingmonsters
thanks
centerjourney
The re-runs used to be on every channel all the time, now they're just on once a week on Fox
dennydorko
Its on in mini-marathons on FXX multiple nights.
PresidentProTempore
In Argentina they have reruns on ALL THE TIME.
MOnte343
Same in australia
pphnx
México as well...
aTokenOfMyExtreme
Isn't it still on FX 3 days a week?
BlandNotBoring
Yes. I'm watching it now. Lol