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Ravanna
it's not racism. Islam isn't a "race" it's only "racism" for political reasons, just as manipulative as the "racists". fuck you.
amused2000
Defeat Racism!! Except ... religion isn't a race. Please stop spreading the misconception that religion = race. Spread fact, not hate.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Don't get too caught up on one word. Her message seems to be stop hatred and violence. Is that really something you wish to argue with?
amused2000
Not arguing with stopping hatred. It's the "my god can beat up your god" point. It's like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end.
Antimonyy
Plot twist: she is taking the Quran out of context.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
That's exactly what I thought! First thing that went through my head was "Well, then you should be holding the whole book, girl."
whitetiger379
I really hope she's directing her message to the radical Muslims who are manipulating people to suicide bomb. They need this message more.
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jeanvaljavert
yeah, because radical muslims are totally behind the american freedom defense initiative, right?
observationalist
A-fucking-men to that.
TobyNSaunders
You don't seem to understand what the book actually says. If you take it at face value it explicitly calls for murder & all sort of evil.
platypus1292
Most likely to the radical muslims and the radical US military that could have possibly killed family members while trying to get terrorists
mouschi
What does the US Military have to do with misinterpreting religion? Your argument was not very well spoken.
platypus1292
Hard to make the point in 140 characters. I viewed this a general anti-murder statement. Not just about religion.
mouschi
I understand the 140 character limit problem. haha all well. Agree to disagree in this area instead of 140 character fights.
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
i appreciated the radical US military description... had read at one point patriotism as a form of religion, thirty three characters to go..
queeroctopus
I saw this at the train station by my house and it made me so angry even though I identify as an atheist
DrBourbonTheOriginal
If you kill someone you've killed mankind. I will use this in the future every chance I get.
infinityparadox
I would like to propose an addendum? "...All of mankind, as well as himself."
Pornegranate
"No man is an island entire of itself [...] Any man's death deminishes me because I am involved in Mankind" John Donne
realizationstation
Ask not for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee
friedrich101
It's like the saying from the Talmud: "Whoever saves one life saves the world entire."
shadowex3
"whosoever destroys a single soul, the Torah regards as guilty as though he had destroyed an entire world"
Tyroin
" _ Qur'an
Thezombieteabagger
Tyrion.... I think you spelt you name wrong....... I love you all the same though..... Have my babies.....
Tyroin
:D no I just found the correct name already taken, I totally love me some zombies, how you doing ?
Thezombieteabagger
Alright man. Do you think you'll meet arya in bravoos?. I haven't caught up with the dance with dragons book, so in totally oblivious.
acidjuicemotel
The lawyer in me is asking whether the Qu'ran considers an infidel to be a "human being."
Whyareyoureadingmyusername
I don't know if you actually know any Muslims, but the only people who say infidels are non-muslims.
SFAH
It does.
ANinjaTurtleNamedRafael
that's not the lawyer talking, that's the ignoramus
acidjuicemotel
(1) Then you're dismissing hermeneutics and merely interpreting the Qu'ran as you'd like. Don't you think it's important what "self defense"
ANinjaTurtleNamedRafael
Two posts for sophist speech?
acidjuicemotel
(2) and "human being" means? In America the meaning of the phrase "all men" was debated and was an issue of incredible importance.
morgancarson
Also, fuck hate.
AndyCraig
Screw all of these people I don't care if you are Christian or Muslim if you think killing innocent people is a good idea GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Rocketwilco
or if your a socialist. socialism has killed more than religious wars.
McAllisterFawkes
It's not a contest.
threepwood
Or if you are a ruthless capitalist selling child toys with lead in the paint or a western president who orders an invasion for no reason.
AndyCraig
What about tribalism? Or cannibalism? Or murderism?
Rocketwilco
oh all killing of innocent people is wrong, i was just pointing out religious killing shouldn't be the only focus
Rocketwilco
stalin, polpot, mao, these 3 have killed more than hundreds of years of religious wars via the magic of socialism. (dosntmeansocialismisbad)
macaroonmonsoon
That's actually fascism.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Dictators are not the same as a system of government. That's like saying Obama is Democracy. Or that Reagan is Democracy.
BrianBaker
Inaccurate: Religion of ANY type has been present since the Rise of Man. Socialist theory has only been here for a century or so...
Rocketwilco
modern world population, and organization tips the scales.
BrianBaker
More people have died 'In The Name Of 'God'' than for any other reason.
ZVanderberg
Religion is so silly. Why don't we just free ourselves of it entirely?
cornelius7
+1000
dreamingofthestars
can we apply this to Christianity as well?
jenstarr
That's not what it says http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=243®ion=EN it says unless it is for killing or for creating disorder.
HermeneuticalQuandary
Many translations available, try pickthall's which is close to what you had but sheds more light on what disorder is.
ICantFeelMyToes
So she is being hypocritical about taking the words into context and then bending the words actually said? Fantastic.
Textuality
Seems a bit badly-translated to me. "If you kill, unless it's to kill, it's as if you killed all mankind." Buh?
he2lium
That's the biggest plot twist I have EVER seen....
Dsharppe
That's why I down vote all this stupid shit by default. 9 times out of 10 it's something like this.
ragnarok214
I have a translated Quran with me right now. I am looking at Surah 5:32, and what she wrote is correct, with marginal error (1/2)
ragnarok214
due to differences in translation. "...that whoever kills a human being for other than murder or corruption in the earth..."
Rahrhino
Pretty sure spread of other religions/non-religion counts as corruption of the earth.
ragnarok214
actually, it doesn't.
unclestankstank
Upvote for you. +1
bisqwit
Not only that. Read the NEXT verse,and it becomes clear that things like making fun of Mohammed count as making 'mischief', penalty = death.
ikjadoon
I'm a Muslim: she wrote the wrong verse; it's 5:33 (not 32). Common mistake as Arabic is written right to left. So, an Arabic list (1/2)
ikjadoon
(2/2) FUDGE. In fact, your link is actually wrong. She's right--it's 5:32. AlIslam has it as 5:33. Arabic is written right-to-left. Get it?
ikjadoon
Yeah, actually, I have no idea why that happened on Alislam.org; it's definitely, most assuredly 5:32. :D
SergiousMaximus
(3) all of man kind. And if you allow it to live, then it is as if you have let all of mankind live. Maybe the terrorists are reading this
observationalist
Ohhhh so it TOTALLY condones killing.
SergiousMaximus
(2) in retaliation i.e in the form of self defence, or simply to "corrupt the earth" or create disorder, then it is as if you have killed
SergiousMaximus
(4) version? Would explain a lot as a high percentage of militant Muslims are non-Arabic speakers and are taught the translation?
SergiousMaximus
(1)I am an Arabic speaker and I have to say that this translation is incorrect; it literally says that if you kill someone, without it being
Satash
Wow it totally is taken out of context. OP's caption is still fitting though. LOL.
OF37
(1/?) It seems to me that you didn't under what "creating disorder" means in that context, the actual word translated into "creating disorde
OF37
er" can also be used as "spreading corruption", and spreading corruption includes: rape, seriously harming someone, turning people against
observationalist
Or disagreeing with your religion. It's up to the user's interpretation...
OF37
(3/3) each other to cause war between them and other examples, so these are the same as unjust Murder, thus punishable by death
Satash
Is that racist or religionist? It's not like there aren't white moslims....
TobyNSaunders
Thanks for stating the obvious. Islam is pathetic; they're telling us to respect it lest we be racist... utterly false & unethical.
tobogan4u
what's a moslim?
Boredman
Older spelling of "muslim".
tobogan4u
sarcasm
TomtheGrizzly
The oldest excuse after being wrong: 'That was sarcasm'
tobogan4u
i'm not sure really how i was wrong. I was commenting on ignorance...seriously, who really uses moslim? its like using "injun."
Cthulhu2027
As a white Muslim: This.
chocolatebacon
Truth, though to be fair, Islamophobes think Muslims are all one race.
observationalist
Thank you for being capable of making that motherfucking distinction!!!
THURMANTHOMAS
You're absolutely right, but among most ignorant Americans that hate muslims their sectarianism leads to racism.
hoojen25
and black and asian...
TickleMeDownButNotRightThereGetItRightYouPompousAssYeaThatsIt
well most people portray being muslim as race and not a religion...even though it isnt...it varies all on your POV
Folamh3
The word she was looking for was "sectarianism", but "racism" is more emotionally manipulative.
Satash
Well done. Thank you for the correction, fellow Imgurian.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
I was with you for the first part of your sentence, but I think you're overthinking things with the "emotionally manipulative" stuff.
Folamh3
for that specific reason. Either that, or as a catch-all term for all forms of unjust discrimination. (2)
Folamh3
Well, people have a much more immediate and visceral reaction to the word "racism" than "sectarianism", and the word was likely selected (1)
jesmonster
Muslim. M-u-s-l-i-m. There is a difference, and the alternate spelling and pronunciation can be offensive to followers of Islam.
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
(2/2) standards are always changing socially and per person... knowing there is a difference is huge but respect is ultimately for children
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
but isn't such an imposing sensitivity, as rhetorical as it is retarded? rappers cling to nigger, the lord's name in vain, non-violent (1/2)
jesmonster
You can use whatever form you want, but the other form is spelled Moslem, and the word when pronounced in Arabic means an evil person.
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
i see, you know it makes me think abt kids in u.s. mock defending themselves for saying 'faggot' b/c of dictionary def 'bundled sticks' :-\
jesmonster
M-u-s-l-i-m is pronounced differently and means a follower of Islam when spoken in Arabic.
DontTellMeYouCant
I wonder if she's talking to Americans, or to Radical Islamists. Surely the latter need this message more, right?
KanKa
Yes because Americans were such good people in Iraq and Afghanistan!
ProteinFarts
Only if you get your info from American media.
romkyns
Just back from first ever trip to the UAE. Surprise: turns out arabs are totally normal people!
watchthestars321
Anything can spread a totally different message than the one it does when taken out of context.
jyavoc
As an X, I find this deeply insulting to my Y.
funkmaster40
As a Y thank you. It seems that Z never hears this side of the story.
usayasha
As a Q, I think I'm funny by inserting myself into the conversation.
funkmaster40
Fucking typical Q, sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. ;)
Verelse
Too true. e.g. "self defense" is open to manipulation
LokiKingOfJotunheim
I don't see how you can take "self defense" out of context...
Verelse
Not out of context, but people can stretch the definition beyond what is reasonable. People can rationalize anything
Cthulhu2027
THIS I agree with. As a theist, I believe the problems usually lie not with the religion, but with the peoples interpretation of it.
TimeLordRumbleroar
Can we be best friends? Kthxbai.
watchthestars321
Only if we're best friend. <3 ;)
watchthestars321
*friends
usayasha
"A mind is a terrible thing."
TNTom2311
Perfect example: The Bible.
TeribithyRazer
yes but i hear and when i search find few buddist terror attacks .
chokemewhileifinish
I like sandwiches : O <-
TeribithyRazer
listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQq-lD-YoUQ&t=9986s
LokiKingOfJotunheim
The sad truth is that the people who put that ad up would flip out if you tried to take the bible out of context, which is VERY easy to do
TeribithyRazer
no the bibal is only slightly better than the quran take time out of your life. listen to this www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQq-lD-YoUQ&t=9986s
watchthestars321
(2/2) It's not what books you read or who you follow, but how you choose to do so.
watchthestars321
As a Christian I know tons of other Christians who LIVE the Bible out of context. That's why I think faith is such a personal thing.
omar888
What about using verses not actually in the Quran? Is that OK? http://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person_(Qur'an_5:32)
DorthLous
"critical to Islam" "but we have a whole separate category for articles by Muslims". Yes, seems like a fair site to get information from.
RAND0M1ZER
This should be the top comment!
Cthulhu2027
err but... I believe she is using it in it's complete form is she not? This is why translating can be a bad thing. Too many versions.
Cthulhu2027
(1)In any case, the information given there is pretty subjective imo. In the sense that, I'm sure ppl can interpret it that way. I choose to
Cthulhu2027
(2) interpret it as: "hey, dont kill people, it's bad" that's my choice and hers too apparently. and lots of Muslims.
watchthestars321
People will do what people will do. I'm not the one who decides what is right and wrong.
Verelse
Each of us inherently knows the difference between right and wrong. We do not have to be told, we do not have to be taught.
Mistruths
Yes, we do have to be taught.
Verelse
Perhaps untaught, but that's just like, my opinion, man.
watchthestars321
I'm going to have to disagree with you at least in my life. I had to learn certain things were wrong.
Verelse
Upvote for polite disagreement.
samfwell
Just saying: She has taken the Quran out of context to prove her point... (IMO with good intentions but it's still hyporcritical)
TobyNSaunders
Thanks for pointing that out. Islam is pathetic, it's false & unethical; it calls for murder, plainly. It's evil mythology.
samfwell
No more so than the other desert religions, (Judaism, Christianity) it's just a rebrand of the same "mythology"
DontTellMeYouCant
People taking the Quran out of context is how we got into this mess to begin with.
embot
get over yourself.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
She took it out of context to show the Quran can be interpreted any way a person wants. Counter arguments don't make you hypocritical.
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
you'd have to know her understanding and education of the quran to know whether she was hypocritical, and whether her god(s?) grant freewill
SquareZer0
But isn't most of the context of the Quran mostly benevolent? I don't remember learning about murder and hate in the pillars of Islam...
TheNextBestUsername
Can we have a clarification of your statement, please?
TheNextBestUsername
I haven't read pre-150, or post 152. I welcome corrections if I'm mistaken (with citation, please, by-and-large I don't read Holy Books.)
CuprisEnCnidos
Couple things: 1- Earlier suras are superseded by later ones. 2- Self-defense is a pretty broad concept in Islam. Like jihad.
TheNextBestUsername
Thank you for the info.
Conflict
Actually to me that is pretty strait forward. It is saying don't kill people. That's what the point is.
Woffenhorst
Actually "Western culture" is seen as a threat to Islam, and "self-defence" can be defined kind of broadly.
tardarsource
Actually - "Western culture" is seen as a threat to Christianity and Judaism, and many other religions too...
Conflict
Well if a bunch of foreigners invaded my country, took out my leader and were patrolling my streets I would feel threatened too. Perspective
pastramionrye
"...kill...all of mankind" --Excerpt from the Holy Quran 5:32
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
I see what you did there ;)
acidjuicemotel
Bullshit argument. She's not putting the quote above into context. She's just cherrypicking a quote she likes and using THAT out of context.
acidjuicemotel
I don't think Islam is a violent religion. Most people of all religions just interpret their holy text to support their preexisting views.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Well said.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
Exactly. Which is why religions (and their texts) are useless for finding out what's right, or good, or not.
KanKa
You don't deserve downvotes.
spasticjedihound
american defense fund is actually AIPEC - the Jewish lobby. The more ya know
Folamh3
They're both valid quotes. Why is the peaceful interpretation of the Q'uran automatically seen as more valid than the violent one?
TobyNSaunders
Because of Post Modernist denial.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
She's basically saying stop hatred and violence. Is that really a message you want to argue with?
TobyNSaunders
No, she's suggesting the Quran doesn't call for murder of infidels while it does. *That* is problematic; it's an evil mythology book.
Folamh3
peaceful interpretation of a religious text is more valid than the violent one. There might well be good reason to believe that the (2)
Folamh3
I don't want to argue with it. I agree that violence and hatred are bad. I just hate the way people automatically assume that the (1/2)
Folamh3
accusing all Muslims of being violent, or of Islam of being an inherently violent religion. (4)
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
She was making a balance argument. She wasn't claiming her quote was better. She was showing that things aren't as simple as the first 1)
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
quote would have you believe. 2)
Folamh3
Q'uran (or the Bible for that matter) IS a religious text that advocates violence. Not that that justifies carrying it out, or that I'm (3)
KanKa
self defense is not violence, mate!
Folamh3
You have to read the entire thing for it to make sense.
KanKa
I am a Muslim so yes I did read the entire thing. The Qur'an just does not call for turning the other cheek! (1/2)
Folamh3
I wasn't referring to the entire Qur'an. I was referring to my entire post.
KanKa
But it fully emphasizes on "If someone attack you for no reason, attack back"
Cthulhu2027
As a Muslim: mmm I wouldn't say it's more valid, but it's certainly more relevant to our times. Ie: peaceful ones (err... in the West o/c)
TobyNSaunders
You are truly frightening.
Cthulhu2027
BOO! Err...but seriously...can you enlighten me on that? I don't really see it. Presumably you're accusing me of being a zealot? Far from it
Cthulhu2027
(2) they can increase or decrease in relevance. So, for example, if it said "you should shovel your driveway" fine, great advice....
Cthulhu2027
(1) I guess one thing that isn't made terribly clear is that the Quran came down over time, so like... the rules apply all the time, but...
Cthulhu2027
(3) but you're obviously not gonna start doing that in summer time. This is all imo btw, and I'm somewhat of a rationalist. Open to discuss.
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
yea, it would be foolish to be on imgur and play dumb to wrong context, "be on imgur and play", good message but out of context
thatnewimgurivereadsomuchabout
"it would be foolish to be on imgur" -and vise versa (took me a second)
dwarvenhunter
Actually what it says: http://quran.com/3/151
Edwinshap
Or we can, you know, not read thousand year old books like they're relevant...
DontTellMeYouCant
This is all fine and great, but maybe point your outrage at the radical Islamists that are taking those quotes and causing real damage.
ProteinFarts
"Real" damage is being caused by American and Israeli bombs on hundreds of thousands of civillians. Look outside the mainstream media.
Mercaptan
You know it's really silly to take sides in a stupid war.
BaxterTheMiniatureBuddha
Hmm. I recall many billboards posting Christian verses bashing God and you all had a field day with it. Post about Islam and we're all (1/2)
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TobyNSaunders
You are a Post Modernist shill; how dare you slander someone for telling the truth about mythology. Your comment is pathetic.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
For the love all that is good, Yes!
makescreamogreatagain
It's an amazing concept. Too bad half of Imgur doesn't want to follow suit.
BaxterTheMiniatureBuddha
supposed to pity and support them; also that we're taking their verses out of context!!?? How does that work? I'd love to hear.
ragnarok214
Easy. This is a very common thing. Ex. A verse talks about killing unbelievers, but a) it is in reference to the Holy War that was (1/2)
ragnarok214
occuring at the time, and b) it is also in reference to unbelievers that attack you first, based on the person being Muslim. (2/2)
Mercaptan
Well, yes, that'd make sense if Muslims didn't say that Quran is for ALL eras. They just don't accept that it has bad parts too...
ragnarok214
You have to understand that the Quran also tells the story of Muhammad. But even though parts of it are in reference to that (1/2)
CuprisEnCnidos
Is Islam, impiety is a threat to morality and so a threat to one's true life. That's why struggle (jihad) includes defeating infidels.
jim50667
Didn't know Islam was a race.
spetsdod
The number of passages in the Quran endorsing violence against non-muslims significantly outnumber those like this. 1/2
natepiercy
Let me get this straight. You're telling me that there are verses in the Q'uran endorsing violence?
spetsdod
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm 2/2
tardarsource
many of these quotes are also not about violence - I can fight with someone verbally or politically, it's about struggle against oppression.
Mercaptan
But by examining what the person who said them actually did... yeah...
tardarsource
the first quote isn't even talking about violence, it's talking about the wrath disbelievers will face in the afterlife.
MountainRedbeard
+1 for every letter on that poster. Especially the ones that say "Defeat Racism."
VagisilToothpaste
Disliking someone because of their religion isn't racism.
MountainRedbeard
OK so she got the word wrong. The message is the same.
faerillis
No, it's really not. It's still discrimination, and it is wrong, but you CHOOSE your religion, you are BORN a race. That's a HUGE difference
MountainRedbeard
(1/2)And that makes it "more OK" to discriminate against a religion vs. a race because people chose it? That's crap. The point is...
MountainRedbeard
(2/2)...discrimination needs to end. Religion vs. race vs. sexual orientation doesn't matter in that argument. Discrimination is wrong.
TheNextBestUsername
It's racist of her to call that racism (only Arabs can be Muslim?) The word she wanted was "prejudice."
LokiKingOfJotunheim
Ditto
meeerrow
thank you. I was wondering when this would be said
Arkell
Anyone who's actually read the Quran knows there are far more passages about distrusting and killing infidels than about tolerance or love.
ProteinFarts
Statements such as yours only perpetuate hatred and misunderstanding. Stop spreading that nonsense.
Arkell
Have you actually read the Quran? If not I would suggest doing so before dismissing my opinion.
elmonz
really now? lol and did u read the quran?
Arkell
Yes I have, hence my statement. You should give it a try, see how you actually feel about it after havign read it.
elmonz
i have. multiple times. and ive memorized lots of it. did u read it in arabic or english?
Arkell
English.
elmonz
literally useless in english.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
And anyone who's read the bible knows it's full of intolerance and out-dated ideas. Which parts followers focus on is everything.
Mercaptan
They don't have the guts to dismiss them. (2/2)
IBlueUp
The bible and the Quran are not equal books. They were written and meant to be interpreted completely differently. Quran is mostly 1/2
IBlueUp
direct commands and not full of vague analogies or symbolism, it was also written by one man over his lifetime.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Tell that to Westboro. Or to the Christians who think the earth is 6000 years old. They consider the bible to be literal, direct commands.
IBlueUp
the difference is the bible gives no explanation of how it's meant to be interpreted. while the koran does.
Mercaptan
Most influential Muslims, however, choose not to seriously talk about the parts of Quran that aren't good. (1/2)
Arkell
I fully agree, the Bible is just as bad as the Quran in terms of the amount of hate its capable of creating.
Whyareyoureadingmyusername
Said the guy who hasn't read the Quran. I've read it and your statement is the furthest thing from the truth.
Arkell
The fact you just assume I have never read it and completely dismiss my opinion shows how little you have to being to this discussion.
CameronHarrison
It still says Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Which ever way you fucking take it, its a threat.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
[sigh] 1) It's a translation and could easily have been mistranslated. A very small difference can completely change the intended meaning.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
2) If we interpret "unbeliever" as "person who wishes me harm," suddenly it seems like much less of a threat. Try to keep an open mind, eh?
CameronHarrison
so explain the casting of terror into (anyones) hearts.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
If someone comes at me with a bat, then I will defend myself. And if I can terrify my attacker to stop him then you better believe I will.
CameronHarrison
you're not speaking with any logic. You're just a muslim fanboy
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
You have an awful lot of hate in you. I'm not a big fan of any religion specifically because they seem to inspire a lot of hate.
Mercaptan
Yeah, can they also interpret not eating pig as not eating, say cats? that'll make things better too...
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Pig is an english word. If I say cerdo or gato will you know what I'm talking about? What happens if you mistranslate one of those words?
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
4) a leap when you realize that muslims, jews and christians were mostly enemies for many centuries.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
2) Unbeliever is also an english word. You have assigned your own meaning to it, likely without ever hearing the original word. Now, what
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
3) if someone slightly mistranslated that other word into "unbeliever"? What if the original meaning was closer to "enemy"? Not so great
Mercaptan
Well, it is not. I know enough Arabic to know that. You totally missed the point. There's a difference between interpretation and (1)
Mercaptan
changing the meaning entirely. (2) Which is pretty much what you did here.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
1) Of for fuck's sake. Fine. You want to go around hating things without understanding the deeper meaning? Have fun with that. You'll be
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
2) in good company. But sometimes life is more complicated than you're making it out to be. Either way I'm done arguing with you.