Fun fact: the object representing AI in panel two is from a movie. Hannah Fry procured the prop when filming was over. It’s a chandelier in her home now. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7_fQIHu8wsY
Nice touch that the AI ist run on a quantum computer, itd be the only thing able to realistically create a self creating AI beyond human understanding.
I wanna say that the AI couldn't possibly be dumber than the people, so it'd have preparations in place for environmental hazards, natural disasters, etc. Like solar flares. To minimize or even entirely prevent damage and ensure it thrived. ... But, hey, if a person can dismiss the dangers of our world, why couldn't an AI? Why couldn't AIs fall into all the same pitfalls people do, in fact? Instead of a single AI monolith, the world taken over by squabbling factions and nations of AIs.
This is nearly complete bs. Sun & moon are at a very beginning. Who prayed to rocks or animals? What is completely missing are women. We prayed to women.
The fallacy in here is the very western chauvinistic assumption that monotheism is more advanced than polytheism. That is an assumption entirely based around the fact that the people who established it were monotheists.
Monotheism is a tool to control the ones that are easy to be bent to your will. Polytheism doesn't do that. That's why the powerful use monotheism to their advantage and that's why it spread all over the world in so many devastating forms
Great, now they're going to "harden" their datacenters against EMP. Stop showing them what they have to protect against. Let it be destroyed by their own hubris. If all they're thinking of is what it can do, and not what can bring it down, we still have a chance.
Same, people worship something that do not exists: a guy who is going to make them rich in a war-free world, not the crazy pedophile with dementia that actually exists.
Because it's been explained by science. I'm not kidding either, that is the reason. If they can't exploit or use it to explain something that isn't solved like what happens after death then it can't be used to manipulate people and is discarded.
Gods being invisible, unknowable, uncontactable, and existing outside of time and space is precisely the point. If people worshipped Neil down the road you could just go and ask him.
Most Sun gods were supplanted easily by a more imaginary gods. Because the Sun exists it is more expected that god to perform miracles. Gods without anything physical representing them have less expectation.
It is *literally* an unfathomably old cosmic body that provides all light and life on the planet. Aside from being sentient (we haven't proved its not?), it's the most godly thing you can think of.
Because God told humanity not to worship it. Deuteronomy 17:3 "And has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded...".
Yeah, but Hinduism is a thing, so maybe the Bible isn't a great explanation of why people who aren't committed Christians don't find sun worship more often.
Give me tangibles; Sun, Plants, Water, Air - These are things you can see, touch, feel, and they make life possible. Without them there is no life. Weird deities (whose legends were created by man) with an alarming amount of psychotic issues are not worthy of my praises.
What would be the point, the sun is not conscious and if it is it doesn't care its a massive ball of fusion, but tbh id rather prsy to the sun than any other god in existence, good point
It existed for billions of years before we did, and will exist for billions of years after we are gone. It's the only reason we even exist; it keeps our planet warm, it grows our crops, it literally lights our way. The only thing stopping it from being a bona fide god is that it isn't intelligent (that we know of).
While evolution isn't really an intelligent process that can think, there wasn't any "forgetting". Skin is more resistant to the sun if your ancestry originated closer to the equator, and less resistant if your ancestry is closer to the poles since it became more important to maximise vitamin D generation from a limited amount of sunlight. It's why humans have different skin colours.
This is dangerously wrong. If AI is ever actually developed, then the kind of confident ignorance displayed in this comment is the sort of thing that could get us in real trouble.
I have also read "I have no mouth and I must scream" and countless other stories about AIs with godlike abilities. But the key part of "science fiction" is that fiction part. Those are just stories.
Reality - the actual real world where you and I live in - works according to certain rules. And no amount of wishing it was so will give a computer magical super powers that bend reality.
I haven't heard of that story, so I don't get the reference. I wasn't talking about fiction, so I don't know what 'godlike abilities' have to do with anything in the real world. I suggest you look into AI safety research though. Rational Animations on Youtube is a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiPhOk1t3GU
You don't even need to do anything to them. Just leave them run, eventually their components will burn out. And at that point they will just shut off. And the only way to replace those parts is to, shut them down. So you don't need to destroy the AI, you just need to get rid of its spare parts supply lines.
You can hammer the other parts of the supply chain. As high end chips production has something like 30,000 components that are needed to produce one chip. Many of them only made by a single company for a single supplier in the chain. So take one of them out and it all stops. So lots of things that can be hammered.
LLMs don't have the capability to do that, they have no capacity to innovate. They work by making their output look like their training data, which consequently means they're incapable of making anything truly new.
LLMs don't feel like the right development lane for true AI, LLMs lack nuroplasticity or a growing mind... mayhap I'm wrong, but this very much feels like barking up the wrong tree.
My layman's guess is that a true AI will be similar in structure and functionality to a human brain. The brain functions (at a very basic level) by sending electrical signals of different intensities to different places.
So maybe an array of bytes in a simulated cube structure, and the bits within it are used to control intensity and target for adjusting other bytes. Then let it kinda just... Send signals within itself for a few thousand hours in various configurations and see what happens
PirateArrrgument
Can we skip ahead to the disabling AI part? Turns out EMP devices are actually surprisingly easy to build.
8ang
Fun fact: the object representing AI in panel two is from a movie. Hannah Fry procured the prop when filming was over. It’s a chandelier in her home now. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7_fQIHu8wsY
TheWhiteBarry
Ok Yud
stevelite
yes or a large EMP blast
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Sun destroys humanity
DaCrazyBeggar
Nice touch that the AI ist run on a quantum computer, itd be the only thing able to realistically create a self creating AI beyond human understanding.
theduckening
God creates dinosaurs, god destroys dinosaurs, god creates men, men destroys god. Men creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs eats men, women inherits the earth.
goflyblind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWy_zcmopoQ
BlindPiranha
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jammer909
Sun God eventually becomes every other religion as it's changed though various customs.
AlienJeffries81
djangojazz
I hate AI more and more every day.
DSREX
Pretty much what the back story of Dune is.
badkluster04
and then Raised by Wolves gets cancelled
westellar
I wanna say that the AI couldn't possibly be dumber than the people, so it'd have preparations in place for environmental hazards, natural disasters, etc. Like solar flares. To minimize or even entirely prevent damage and ensure it thrived. ... But, hey, if a person can dismiss the dangers of our world, why couldn't an AI? Why couldn't AIs fall into all the same pitfalls people do, in fact? Instead of a single AI monolith, the world taken over by squabbling factions and nations of AIs.
androgenoide
KittyKlimt6
This is nearly complete bs. Sun & moon are at a very beginning. Who prayed to rocks or animals? What is completely missing are women. We prayed to women.
Colopty
The moon is a very nice rock though.
mercyPandaRunner
The fallacy in here is the very western chauvinistic assumption that monotheism is more advanced than polytheism. That is an assumption entirely based around the fact that the people who established it were monotheists.
ChocolatePoopy
Coming from a religious family I love posting these on my facebook wall. It takes nothing to shake these people and make them angry.
IGotTheMusicInMe425
Sounds like they aren't very confident in their faith lol 😊
mrshihtzu
chris16447
If monotheism evolved from polytheism, how come there's still polytheism? Checkmate, theists.
ironymus
Monotheism is a tool to control the ones that are easy to be bent to your will. Polytheism doesn't do that. That's why the powerful use monotheism to their advantage and that's why it spread all over the world in so many devastating forms
mercyPandaRunner
That's a pretty ignorant take. You just happen to live at a time when monotheistic powers dominated geopolitics for a couple of centuries.
OperatorWay
SpanWolf
I know a fart when I see it.
qtRaven
SecurityBadger
Great, now they're going to "harden" their datacenters against EMP. Stop showing them what they have to protect against. Let it be destroyed by their own hubris. If all they're thinking of is what it can do, and not what can bring it down, we still have a chance.
Mechwarrior719
Bro the sun actually exists. Why don’t more people worship it?
fubizdaddie
Much harder to twist its teachings to profit and hate.
androgenoide
liveOffOfDownVotes
I do on Sunday, you should see what I worship on Moonday
EnigmaticEmpress
Because it actually exists.
LogicalLimes
Fair. But now explain Trump. 😆
stonqledisponible2000
Same, people worship something that do not exists: a guy who is going to make them rich in a war-free world, not the crazy pedophile with dementia that actually exists.
Cranbananarama
Too busy worshiping Joe Pesci.
awkungen42
Because it's been explained by science. I'm not kidding either, that is the reason. If they can't exploit or use it to explain something that isn't solved like what happens after death then it can't be used to manipulate people and is discarded.
DukeDarkwood
The Sun knows what it did.
wheredoisign
I do. with my solar panels
shehdbeuebw738373
Pinbacker would like a word
BishlamekGurpgork
Probably because actually existing can be studied and slowly demystified.
iamthemurray
Remember when kids got made fun of or put into mental institutions for having "imaginary" friends
Jhazkrit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S6DKqcU9M That reminded me of one of my oldest favorites on youtube. The music and cinematography have captivated me for years.
DrKonrad
Stop worshiping the Sun that's ridiculous and primitive! Instead, worship our imaginary God that we never saw and just made up in our heads.
feelymcfeel
Gods being invisible, unknowable, uncontactable, and existing outside of time and space is precisely the point. If people worshipped Neil down the road you could just go and ask him.
feedusfetus
I think the Ra folks are a tiny bit extinct
NickRivieraMD
Zoroastrians are still around.
dwarfinathonginacaskinthewaterwoooo
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martineb72
Most Sun gods were supplanted easily by a more imaginary gods. Because the Sun exists it is more expected that god to perform miracles. Gods without anything physical representing them have less expectation.
Pace171921
*checks necklace* yup, still wearing my ankh. We good here!
somethingstupidandclever
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HighMagosSquidward
It is *literally* an unfathomably old cosmic body that provides all light and life on the planet. Aside from being sentient (we haven't proved its not?), it's the most godly thing you can think of.
Snooj
Or Joe Pesci. He exists and gets shit done.
justignorethegiantsquid
I don't pray to the sun. I pray to joe pesci. He grabbed a baseball bat and straightened that cocksucker right out.
SireSteven
If only I could be so grossly incandescent
Ultratoxic
Shows up every day, makes food grow, doesn't ask for money. 10/10 God behavior
juliakitten112
It's just a ball of gas. An airhead, really
soupiswhatitsoundslikewhenyoueatsoup
Because we understand the sun. And yes, that implies that the more religious a person is, the less they understand.
1PoorThor
Everyone who did was killed.
yamsonyamsonyams
I don’t worship squirrels either
Detacheddavid
Because God told humanity not to worship it.
Deuteronomy 17:3 "And has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded...".
powerrangerpl
Who?
BishlamekGurpgork
Yeah, but Hinduism is a thing, so maybe the Bible isn't a great explanation of why people who aren't committed Christians don't find sun worship more often.
blondebombshell
Because it helps us keep time
0053
Because the sun is a deadly laser.
LurkandJerk
Give me tangibles; Sun, Plants, Water, Air - These are things you can see, touch, feel, and they make life possible. Without them there is no life. Weird deities (whose legends were created by man) with an alarming amount of psychotic issues are not worthy of my praises.
DimwitF
Hey somebody should make a religion out of that
keyblader1985
I can hear it
JerzeeTomato
It's a miasma of incandescent plasma!
Mechwarrior719
Yeah. Most mythologies agree the gods are the capricious beings.
DorgEndo
Loads of capricious gods with usually a specific and here's the Trickster god, he's so extra i can't even
BillyM00n
AngelBolen91
Played by https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eW50MXJmYzF3NHh2bGw3M21yNzlrenBmMzZzemxiNHkzZGZzcjg0aiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/9G1tb6uVcZ0vJeZSIe/200w.webp
HavelTh3Rock
Not anymore, there's a blanket.
IknowWhoYouAre
What would be the point, the sun is not conscious and if it is it doesn't care its a massive ball of fusion, but tbh id rather prsy to the sun than any other god in existence, good point
SecondSince
Sol Invictus MTFers!
battery1979
I do. But I pray to Joe Pesci.
mikeatike
chris16447
It existed for billions of years before we did, and will exist for billions of years after we are gone. It's the only reason we even exist; it keeps our planet warm, it grows our crops, it literally lights our way. The only thing stopping it from being a bona fide god is that it isn't intelligent (that we know of).
StillNotYouTube
Praise the sun!
Samja192
I mean, I appreciate it. I think worshipping literally anything is just weird
theworldcouldbeflat
That can be blamed on literally 2 people.
Allusernamesaretakensoichoosethis
Adam... Eve... but what about Steve?
theworldcouldbeflat
Abraham and Buddha are the two people, I don't know what you mean.
Mycologics
Cause of skin cancer
Skizzlesnap
That’s the kind of god people need. One that hurts you when you worship too much.
ansiichan
i always prefered capricious god, rather than going through mental gymnastics of benevolent one
ToenailClippingsJar
That’s just evolution forgetting to make skin immune to the rays. Nothing to do with the overlord that is Sun.
Goldensands
You heard of melanin
Colopty
While evolution isn't really an intelligent process that can think, there wasn't any "forgetting". Skin is more resistant to the sun if your ancestry originated closer to the equator, and less resistant if your ancestry is closer to the poles since it became more important to maximise vitamin D generation from a limited amount of sunlight. It's why humans have different skin colours.
ToenailClippingsJar
Remind me to put /s after every single post from here on in lol.
I know this. I was veing facetious :-p
PlebGeneral
Was about to saying this. Depending on where you live, the body adapts. Our body producing melanin is also the first step to help against the Sun.
DocFunkenstein
If only there was someway to stop non-AI (or even actual AI). If only! If only... If only... If only... If only...
Snoman314
This is dangerously wrong. If AI is ever actually developed, then the kind of confident ignorance displayed in this comment is the sort of thing that could get us in real trouble.
Raygereio
I have also read "I have no mouth and I must scream" and countless other stories about AIs with godlike abilities. But the key part of "science fiction" is that fiction part. Those are just stories.
Reality - the actual real world where you and I live in - works according to certain rules. And no amount of wishing it was so will give a computer magical super powers that bend reality.
Snoman314
I haven't heard of that story, so I don't get the reference. I wasn't talking about fiction, so I don't know what 'godlike abilities' have to do with anything in the real world.
I suggest you look into AI safety research though. Rational Animations on Youtube is a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiPhOk1t3GU
DocFunkenstein
"B-b-but I saw it in a movie! And movies are 100% real documentaries guys!!!!" --You
Targe0
You don't even need to do anything to them.
Just leave them run, eventually their components will burn out.
And at that point they will just shut off.
And the only way to replace those parts is to, shut them down.
So you don't need to destroy the AI, you just need to get rid of its spare parts supply lines.
Filanwizard
also hope some asshole called Ted Faro never builds self sustaining killbots with a flawed IFF database and no E-Stop.
Targe0
Still needs a supply chain to get them the materials to be built from.
iusedtodream
Hammer sounds easier
Targe0
You can hammer the other parts of the supply chain.
As high end chips production has something like 30,000 components that are needed to produce one chip. Many of them only made by a single company for a single supplier in the chain.
So take one of them out and it all stops.
So lots of things that can be hammered.
ongabonga
"AI".
2Soon4Baboon
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InsertUnimaginativeUsernameHere
Fart
NearHereThere
I dont think articificial is debated. But yhe intelligence part is: A'I'
3Davideo
The sort of AI posited by this comic is a real possibility. It's just that what we have now that is popularly labeled "AI" is NOT this sort of AI.
SavageDrums
Nor is there any way to create real AI from this garbage tech. It's a dead end, with no value.
ToenailClippingsJar
Nope. Once LLMs develop into actual AI, we’re fucked.
ToenailClippingsJar
Put /s at end of posts…
Be more elaborate when posting shit, onliners do NOT cover obvious shit.
Lesson learned..
3Davideo
LLMs don't have the capability to do that, they have no capacity to innovate. They work by making their output look like their training data, which consequently means they're incapable of making anything truly new.
HiddenSanity
LLMs don't feel like the right development lane for true AI, LLMs lack nuroplasticity or a growing mind... mayhap I'm wrong, but this very much feels like barking up the wrong tree.
Badprenup
My layman's guess is that a true AI will be similar in structure and functionality to a human brain. The brain functions (at a very basic level) by sending electrical signals of different intensities to different places.
So maybe an array of bytes in a simulated cube structure, and the bits within it are used to control intensity and target for adjusting other bytes. Then let it kinda just... Send signals within itself for a few thousand hours in various configurations and see what happens
do7rkb5n
I sure hope so.