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Only using wood pellets from sustainable sources? More lies
Oct 9, 2022 10:07 AM
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Only using wood pellets from sustainable sources? More lies
TheUseriestName
You should be ashamed of yourself @OP, posting coal and paper industry propaganda. I assume you work for BP? ?
Shuckeru
Toris need to go
FaecalJacksonPollock
Drax be like
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Must be standing still...I cannot see any pixels
Sixsystems
Is this step one in the Moonraker Project?
TheNamesAshHousewares
Drax..them.. sklounsk.
Scallion420
No surprise; #canpoli addicted to industrial clear cutting
Philocherry
So they're burning wood. What else should they burn instead ? Electricity is not energy. It is only a way to move energy.
thesmelge
Wood pellets as fuel is meant to be a way to dispose of waste from other industries. Just burning wood is not how it should be working.
NaughtButOne
You can get wood from places that aren't 1000 year old growth forests.
MaverickBlacksmithing
This sounds like reactionary bs. I read both the cbc article and the BBC. Both imply falsehoods and imgur runs with it. Nobody takes an ol
MaverickBlacksmithing
d growth tree and grinds it up if it can be used for lumber. That's like using a 100$bill for it's paper value.
MaverickBlacksmithing
Secondly, our forests are our main source of revenue and pay for our Healthcare... but by all means let's stop exporting and we can all liv
MaverickBlacksmithing
e in grass huts till we die at childbirth. Nobody is saying burning wood is good for the environment but when the option to burn the clean
MaverickBlacksmithing
est fuel is taken off the table because it's "evil" "unsustainable" etc. What are you left with? Britain and Europe need ng
Tumescentpie
As it turns out capitalism is bad for the planet
pacoo
1/2 I worked for a canadian woord manufacturers. Those pellets are made primarily with sawdust. with the decline of paper product -
pacoo
2/2 many sawmills have big surplus of it, for some it go into woodproduct landfill. maybe the article is missing some context...
pacoo
- keep in mind that wood IS a renewable resource, as long as the timber harvest rate is sustainable. this is not a simple issue
Rendova
Sawed that coming.
zeiji
that hefty 200k fine will hurt their 2b profit so badly
Huor
[glares in Canadian]
allSmilesAreFree
By black out its only come out when the damage is done. When it's pointless to complain. When ethics Lose.
thechelonianshelmet
They gave a response here; https://www.drax.com/press_release/drax-response-to-bbc-panorama-programme-on-canadian-forestry/
NKato
Their response don't mean shit unless there's an audit with a traceable paper trail to verify the source and destinations of the material.
thechelonianshelmet
Agreed, I simply found & supplied their response, as you say, how it plays out, will show us how truthful they are.
seakoos
English taking advantage of their old colonies ... say it isn't so! (Over the top sarcasm)
ThisGuyPostingThings
Well, it's happening in *British* Columbia, so maybe they were just confused.
Bobby360
The global rich keeping themselves rich, more like.
seakoos
The article says UK. Try reading more
Bobby360
Where are they getting the trees from?
DJOldguy
It's really another company behind this, they also make Soylent Green products.
flordelasantillas
Wouldn't a Canadian agency have to give him a permit to cut down a forrest. Blame them.
RyanH42
Hey Britain, fuck you. Love Canada.
PJVeddersGirl
So fucking sorry, this is pure bullshit. Fuck corporations for doing this. Love the Brits. Ps, I'm sure you appreciate that we didn't know >
PJVeddersGirl
Our taxes paid for this despite how this article is worded.
Multipew
Corporations gonna corporate. Regulate your forestry industry better.
GoodMorro
This is Canada say your sorry and the liberals don’t care
Serenitis
A power company named like a bond villian, behaving exactly as you'd expect from such a a person.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax,_North_Yorkshire (it's also a surname)
Mewlies
Yes, that was quite common to use Profession, City, Geographic Area, or Parent's Name as Forerunner to surname in the past.
ChloeRed
Drax is the name of the village where the power station is....
Serenitis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Drax
ChloeRed
Yes. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax,_North_Yorkshire
Bystandr
If NO old growth was ever cut again, we would still have 98% (some say >99%) left to cut. There is no reason to cut another single old
Bystandr
growth tree in BC. It is almost ALL gone, and the biodiversity of old growth is much greater than even second growth. In terms of plants we
Bystandr
are talking about the extinction of several species by the continued cutting - many in just the last 10 years. Sad.
allSmilesAreFree
Just to confirm we are noteven aware of this.... a media black out on these horrors.
TheBoredSuburbian
media black out where? It's an article from the BBC
TheBoredSuburbian
and CBC, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/wood-pellets-bc-forests-green-energy-1.6606921
Redbulloth
"If I haven't seen it, it's clearly a conspiracy to keep me from seeing it"
TheBoredSuburbian
Before people pile on I do want to say the original commenter already clarified 1/2
TheBoredSuburbian
"By black out it only came out when the damage was done. When it's pointless to complain. When ethics Lose." 2/2
Blunderwriter
Cdn govt allowing this shit…like WTF.
MaverickBlacksmithing
Exporting natural resources is literally what every country does??
ciscoxing626
The Canadian government only speaks one language not 2 like you've been told $$$$$$$$
FailedCrate
Oil sand mines, first nation opressions, seal hunting:clubbing, neoliberalism, etc., shit's nasty even in Canada.
Bobby360
Follow the money. My faith in humanity dies a little more each day.
ThisGuyPostingThings
Well, it's a provincial jurisdiction, so (having read the article), British Columbia should be cracking down on it.
anonymousecowherd
I'm a member of the ruling party in BC (just a ground-level member, I get one vote in local general meetings and nominations) 1/
anonymousecowherd
It's a "big-tent" party of Trade-Unionists, generally progressive, and a tiny minority of Democratic Socialists (like me). 2/
anonymousecowherd
Our current leader (and premier) is on his way out. I hope he does the door hit his ass on the way out. 3/
anonymousecowherd
He never met an industrial lobbyist he disagrees with. Environmental plans seem to be about justifying not changing the status quo 4/
AnonOmis1000
And the Canadian government let them?
Groose
I think as long as a tree is planted for every tree taken down for the industries its fine(its a baw here if im not mistaken)
MapleSyrupMafia
Companies are cutting down old growths... you know... massive trees that we'll never see again in our lifetime.
NaughtButOne
Our government only cares about the environment up until they can earn a dollar by selling a piece of our country to anyone that will buy.
Imissmycats
English-speaking countries not sucking the dick of corporations who destroy the environment challenge: Impossible
TheWarHymn
Canada is not a good example of environmental stewardship. We only recycle a tenth of our plastic waste, produce most waste per capita /
TheWarHymn
globally - which we dump on poor countries, continue push disruptive oil pipeline construction, and done nothing to cutback on emissions.
MaverickBlacksmithing
This is literally BC'S main export....?????
NonstopRampage
You mean the natives. I'm honestly surprised nothing has happened to em yet.
Himser
Considering we have forests that are 20x the size of the UK itself, im not sure what primary means in this context. We have lots of wood.
ThisGuyPostingThings
Provincial jurisdiction, not federal - British Columbia's government should be cracking down on this, though. I was surprised it wasn't ON.
MaverickBlacksmithing
Exporting timber, lumber and the like is LITERALLY WHAT WE DO
epithymetic
“the province's longtime chief forester, Diane Nicholls, was hired by Drax as a vice-president.” https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6606921
ThisGuyPostingThings
That tracks. The "resources industry" has a very incestuous relationship with regulators/authorities. Most industries do, I suppose.
Welley
I was surprised this wasnt QC too
donthaveonebrojustlurk
BC is a resource colony operated on behalf of multinational corps.
rakas90
It definitely feels like it sometimes. Nestle getting our water for pennies on the dollar then selling it back to us comes to mind.
horseman05
But,But it is sustainable. It will only take 200 years for the trees to grow back!…../s
MaverickBlacksmithing
This is dumb, most trees are harvested before 100. And are burning in ever increasingly larger forest fires
Hyndisfox
If they use only wood scraps from fast growing farmed trees then yes it is sustainable.
TheUseriestName
Which they do! Well, and some diseased wood. This is coal and paper industry propaganda and so many people are falling for it ?
Bobby360
And it's not just growing more trees, the delicate ecosystem is destroyed forever.
MaverickBlacksmithing
Not true of vast majority of logging in bc. Not even close
Northwindlowlander
Drax IS sustainable, but it's totally dependent on it not being operated by thundercunts
Greenwaxy
The whole point of wood pellets was finding a use for the sawdust created by wood manufacturers. Idiotic to cut trees to make wood pellets.
downrightmike
Power company owners are pieces of shit and why we can't trust them with anything, esp nuclear. Nationalize it all.
BorkasonBork
I wish that helped. Swedish government owns Sveaskog which owns 3.1 mega hectar forrest, which is 14% of all swedish forrest.
BorkasonBork
They cut primary forrests. They have no regard for natural values. They ignore alarms from real scientists.
BorkasonBork
They bring in lots of money directly to the tax coffers, so the politicians see no reason to stop them. They are evil.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Ah, I was wondering how this insanity came to happen. Lawmakers did a crappy job - unforeseen consequences ensued.
Dasnekones
I doubt it was unforseen. Uk politics is notoriously corrupt and profit motivated.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
consider California Prop 65 that basically defeated its own purpose by being badly worded
B0g4r7
The devil is in the details.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
more properly a lack thereof
B0g4r7
Presumably they have to then ship the timber across the ocean to transport it to the power station in the UK. More dumbassery.
TheUseriestName
They don't. The take offcuts, sawdust, diseased wood etc that the lumber industry doesn't want. This is coal and paper industry praganda.
darkstarmc
Finding a use for waste is step 1 of creating a new industry that causes waste. Like jeans insulation.
MaverickBlacksmithing
They're not. This is a lie
TeeweeAndSmashboy
This is up there with turning wild catch into feed pellets for farmed fish. Dumb.
Elroydb
Especially old growth forests. All that heartwood being chucked in the incinerator...
MaverickBlacksmithing
They're definitely not
Multipew
I think it's worth mentioning that a very large portion of what's burnt as biomass is "waste" from the forestry industry, i.e logs unfit to
Multipew
Be used for lumber or firewood, and the brash. Brash recovery is becoming more common now although the profit margin for it is very fine so
Multipew
It's generally only done where haulage distances within the forest and to the power plant are short. This process obviously means that we
Multipew
Use "the whole tree" which certainly looks good as a headline. The downside of course is that in natural forest growth the deadwood is able
Multipew
To decompose and create the unique soil structure that the woodland ecosystem depends on. By not leaving anything in the forest as waste, we
MichaelGenovese
Sustainable forestry is a thing, so the premise of using wood as a fuel isn't inherently bad.
Heisanevilgenius
No, they just obviously didn't use sustainable forests to do it
Multipew
Speaking as the director of a low-impact forestry company and part time arboricultural/silvicultural consultant. Yes you're mostly right.
Multipew
(with caveats)
NairouTryyshokk
The part that always gets to me is companies trying to go "green" by going paperless. Paper is often from renewable sources, power for
NairouTryyshokk
Extra computes is not that green.
kitskinner19538
Exposed by BBC Panorama program. Burning coal would be better than this system of destroying trees
TZO2k15
Fuckin' barbarians, I mean burning firewood on a massive scale, such short-sighted IDIOTS!
Metallica93
Label this shit environmental terrorism and put the company in the fucking ground. Consequences now or more of this later.
DikaLikin
Good luck with that. Corporations are above us don't you know.
rusrsdude
Corporations are made of people. If enough people quit, protest, and likewise make it hell for them to operate, then the people win.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
They'll just find more people to take their place, or issue an apology without doing anything about it.
FailedCrate
This should be downvoted to hell. This is another standard coal industry argument. Y'all falling for this shit?! Imgur is dumb af.
TheUseriestName
If anyone had actually watched the program, it was edited to fuck and super inaccurate! It's frustrating how gullible people are!
ALG0RIDDUM
Power companies don't give a shit and nobody in power will ever stand up to them
Mewlies
A quick look results in controversy that burning biomass (wood) pellets are potentially more harmful form of air pollution than coal. 1/2
Mewlies
I think when they say "Green Energy" they are using the Wrong kind of "Green"; Energy from Living Plants, not Energy Safe for Plants. 2/2
TheUseriestName
The timing of this is suspicious. Right when the UK government is about to make a statement on biomass? Coal industry propaganda AGAIN.
shadoodledeedoo
The CBC started asking questions this morning. Glad they heard about it and got the word out
TheUseriestName
Aaaand that's exactly what you're supposed to think. Timing of this is sus, and likely funded by the coal and paper industries. ?
nightster07
So, back to square one? Its the same issue with charging stations.
SarahDancePainter
It feels like Canada should be taking most of the blame here tho.
kitskinner19538
Certainly some, its all done under license. But does anybody check
disgruntledtruckdriver
Absolutely. Trudeau crys for "green" carbon tax hikes but ignores this shit
justsitting4comfortbutinscoolway
As someone who lives where we need coal still!! Why are you using OUR trees to make your tea?
Importaku
Because it makes the tea taste better with the destruction of your forests.
kitskinner19538
It's not supposed to be whole trees but scraps and compressed sawdust! This industry is one lie after another. Making millions from 0 Carbon
TheUseriestName
Do you have any idea how expensive whole trees are? Why on earth would they burn them?! It's a loss maker. This is coal propaganda.
Mewlies
What next "Clean Coal"? From what I read "0 Carbon"/"Carbon Neutral" often means they pay off Carbon Footprint Tax/Campaigns.
kitskinner19538
And one thing that they do is plant trees! Usually on good farmland, so there could be a shortage of acres because this pays more
PerpetuityPhoto
I mean... yes and no. Coal is adding more carbon that was otherwise sequestered in the ground. Trees pull carbon from the air.
kitskinner19538
Trees take in CO2 and breath out O2 for us, though I believe the heavy work is done by algae in the oceans. Plus they help as windbreaks!
PerpetuityPhoto
Algae is way more efficient about it, for sure, but yeah, the idea is, the carbon cycle is what's in the air and what's growing.
PerpetuityPhoto
Plants use carbon to grow, when consumed, the thing that consumed the plant puts the carbon back in the air.
PerpetuityPhoto
at every step, some of that carbon is removed from the cycle, but it's a very small amount. In the ocean, it's a MUCH greater amount -
kitskinner19538
Like Vegans? So Vegans are killing the planet??
PerpetuityPhoto
So in essence, burning them just burns carbon that was already in the system. Ideally we want to move AWAY from adding more carbon to that.
Youhavinagiraffe
This only really applies if the trees are being replaced. Deforestation to burn wood for fuel releases more CO2 than burning coal
PerpetuityPhoto
1: Your statement is false, unburned coal is by definition carbon that is OUT of the cycle...
PerpetuityPhoto
2: Maybe you're not familiar with a little thing called Tree Farms. It's where the overwhelming majority of construction lumber comes from.
PerpetuityPhoto
(Also coal has a TON of other crap in it that you really don't want to breathe.)
kitskinner19538
Modern coal fired power stations had started using filters for these, before we moved away from coal altogether.
PerpetuityPhoto
So they claim. And yet, airborne mercury, cadmium, etc, was still very much a problem.
kitskinner19538
Then you need to figure in the cost of cutting down and transporting trees. Maritime vessels use the filthiest fuels you can imagine
PerpetuityPhoto
Kinda sounds to me like the core issue is the transit, and transporting coal probably takes even MORE fuel.
kitskinner19538
Coal in bulk is normally transported by train . Cleaner than shipping. The program suggested that Drax is sitting on large coal deposits
Multipew
Unlike with coal which naturally floats to its destination and does not require transport or mining?
kitskinner19538
Surface transport is always cleaner than shipping. Mostly by train after being mined