Aug 16, 2020 4:45 PM
Joyika
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electronicbovine
That sexy Rayleigh scatter
FunAlternativeFact
Also, just because we don’t currently have a scientific explanation for something, doesn’t mean “because god” is the only possible answer.
FlyingGiantElk
God of the manufactured gaps. When someone filled the gap in knowledge, so you make another one to perpetuate false but comforting beliefs.
arkadun
And too often it goes "I dont understand the science so its god"
Wrenfield
For some reason the idea that religiously motivated people misspell everything in comparison to logical thinkers seems totally appropriate.
ChickenROAR
"Because God" is a lazy cop out bitch move. Learn something rather than be willfully ignorant.
malachilenomade
Ok, I'm willing to defend people that have faith but seriously: don't be fucking moronic about your faith.
TacoFox
Those eyes are connected to nothing...an abyss.
MelfsAcidArrow
Spelled? Or is spelt an alternative spelling?
JReene
"Can your 'science' explain why it rains?" YES! It CAN!
Blacktusk
Science explains how rain happens, not, like, *why* rain happens, man.
kakivara
Such a strange question, I wonder what part of a sunset she thinks necessarily requires a divine being.
The22ndDoctor
Basically, it's just a humongous rainbow.
TheoFromSteam
Immgoohr
there
HatinS8N
Ha. You think the earth is round. Right there tells me science can’t explain anything
theyar
spelled
DukeOfAnkhMorpork
Damn it Karen!
MsTeak
MeCrowPotato
poopfarts666
thei'yre
MasterMookie
[deleted]
ICommentFromTheLandDownUnder
Gotta disagree my dude/lady. She just fecked up the there/they're/their thing like half the people on here seem to
vanishinggirl
Oh, I get that she doesn’t understand those differences- that’s why I found her mistake ironic.
Well now I'm curious what they deleted
Essentially they said that contextually the their was symbolising her "god" or something, where in reality it was just a mistake
userfriendly19777
v
BigFatBobbie
rubypilgrim
If there is a God, he/she/it has a lot to answer for.
youcantgiveAbabybooze
If there is a god, what is the point of a sunset? Does he expect a pretty sky at night will distract us from him being an absolute dick?
Devolv3
God of the Gaps. When science can't explain, god steps in. When Science explains God moves to another gap.
TheLastKingOfSomewhere
What a bizarre question
WhollyOriginalUsername
Jfc... Science tells you HOW, religion/philosophy tells you WHY. Anything else is a loser's game
Mandaglorian
That’s bs. Science can tell us why better than some old fairytale.
Please expand on that. When I say why I mean as "why does the sun shine". Science can tell us all about the mechanisms 1/2
And I said philosophy, not just religion.
2/2 and how it was formed, but as to the deeper why, the answer just isn't there IF you need an answer
Raoin
Remember when Christian's would ask those questions and become scientists to find out? I miss those Christian's..
keenidiot
There's plenty of those still. There's also still a lot of idiots.
Remember learning of the apostrophe? Why is it "christian's" and not "scientist's"? These are my question's.
Yah. That was just my phone being a dickhead and refusing not to do it the other way.
I friggin hate that.
JustManuel
They kinda kicked out a couple of fanatic puritans out of europe/britain&went all out on science. The puritans went all out on north america
euphoricopportunity
It almost feels like they're playing mad libs. "If there's no god, how do you explain Dunkin' Donuts? Checkmate, atheists."
well that's a valid argument. :) *checks Bible for reference to Dunkin' Donuts - aHA! Leviticus 7:12 to the rescue! When you sacrifice...
an animal for thanksgiving, you're supposed to offer up some doughnuts with it. Where better to get those doughnuts than DD?
"If you offer it as a thank offering, you must also bring rings of unleavened bread mixed with olive oil..."
of course atheists can be just as grateful for a Dunkin' Donut doughnut as anyone else. They just don't have to kill an animal over it.
sometimes a doughnut is just a doughnut
They seem to think that our capacity to have an emotional reaction to something is evidence of God - and that if we don't draw that (1/2)
conclusion, we're somehow incomplete or that we don't have a proper emotional capacity. Like the people who claim Beethoven as evidence. 2/2
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"If there is a god, how do you exlain the existence of Florida? Checkmate, deists!"
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
I took a bite of a banana but instead of banana I bit my tongue- CHECKMATE ATHEISTS
Deus lo volt!
Chawzilla
I don't even understand the question
ASCIIbot
Lady thinks that the sun set is caused by god. Then science explains it.
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
Pray for wisdom
Sixsystems
God gave us the science.
Some snake gave us science. God wanted us naked and sexy in a perfect garden.
TreasonousCheeto
More likely that a lack of science gave us God.
Tminus1622d
I'm kinda curious why or how God would be required for the sunset? That's not in the bible and feels like they're appropiating other>>
religions' stuff.
Genesis: 9:13-17 God makes rainbow as covenant that never again will He destroy the earth with flood. However, He said nothing about fire,
pestilence, or stupidity. Also not a particularly dependable God. Def not one that gets my worship.
That's the rainbow. That's not the sunset or sunrise. He isnt cranking a wheel or moving stuff around, that's in other religions.
littlegraycellsmonami
Or..God created science.
Thiests could give up so many losing battles, like the one against evolution. Just slap a "god did it on there". Even doctrines can evolve.
Iatesomecoffeecups
Yea like.. science means stidying the universe, right? Why not study what God have you?
Gave
YoungHeathen
That’s why the Jesuits were formed yeah?
Apparently not at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
Though a bunch of them did do good science:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church
tyner156
People who don't believe science: OK how come Science can't explain THIS!? Science: We have, listen up...
SleepyverySleepy
The real scary thing is science answered a lot of this shyt centuries ago. And people wonder why we can’t keep up in the STEM fields.
Like when people debate about common ancestry. We have entire branches of science based on genetics which is based on common ancestry smh
EvilDeadTed
Derginsdrogalot
Dawkins: That's why its science. We try to answer the questions of how and why.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
“What? No I said explain it! And you can’t! “
StevenFarmer
People who don't believe science: LA LA LA NOT LISTENING!!
Hevach
Even the things science actually "can't" explain, once you saw how much partial work exists you might think they actually have.
senefen
Okay, but I personally don't understand so it must be God.
Textuality
Villager: "Can your science explain why it rains?" Sokka: "Yes! Yes it can!"
insanekamikaze
and.... enter that scene w/ sokka about science
XVUltima
I'm honestly impressed that a society that uses clubs and boomerangs has figured out meteorology.
yea, but then, sokka's weirdly awesome like that :D
linearcore
"Now this is a story all about how / your life got flipped-turned upside down / In clean rooms and labs all over the world " 1/
"scientists spent most of their days / chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool / And experimentin' with some chemicals inside the school" /2
People: How explain bible if no god? Science: roll eyes, toss paper, leave room in anger that such stupidity has evolved.
ServerMonkeyKing
Best scientific description for religion I can think of is: misplaced/misguided object permanence.
xUnrealRealityx
People way back in past lie and trick dumb people.
Honestly, would not be surprised. Imagine if Dune is worshiped 4000 y from now. People think they are on a forgotten planet or something.
lordofthedice
Also misunderstand natural phenomena.
Richter12x2
If matter can't be created or destroyed, what went bang during the big bang, and how did it get there?
Khargath
At one point in time all of matter was superfinitely dense ball of matter. After an indeterminate amount of time, it become unstable and -
How did the matter get there without being created? Why was it dense? How did it become unstable?
Exploded outward at insane speeds. Matter doesn't like to touch at an atomic level so when it became unstable the reaction was violent.
Why doesn't matter like to touch at the atomic level? What made it that way? Doesn't that oppose gravity? /1
Why did the universe include a force that opposes gravity?
Monkeyfighter
Tide goes in, tide goes out.
Skomer
Bread goes in, toast comes out
EntropyReign
Findlocalsloths
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fGIlLiQfbUk
Oof, he actually used the tide goes in, tide goes out in more than one of these? Huh.
d33tzplz
AnUpvoteFaerie
"... the sun comes up, the sun goes down. You can't explain that." -Bill OReilly to Richard Dawkins ( think it was Dawkins?)
Syxcfaq
You can't explain that!
nateglen350
Tide goes in the washing machine
DidNoOneNoticeThis
Oh great. Is eerything a tide ad again?!
LordNergal
I have the perfect joke reply to this, but this is not the time. Seriously, people need to just accept the science.
LarryR1
Please do tell.
cappygold
No people need to be aware of correct science and work to ensure it is accurate and up to date. science isn't perfect, but ignoring it=bad
I would argue that is accepting the science. But, you do have a good point.
tehmatser
Blindly accepting science is just as bad as saying god did everything
Timbagged
The thing about science though is once it’s proven wrong, we tend to go with the new answer.
HenryLongfellowIII
True but stuff that's been accepted for hundreds of years is a waste of your time to dispute.
CeterumCenseo
Why? If you can actually dispute some of the big theories, you can be sure to win the Nobel Prize. It's also generally easier to disprove >1
1>2 something than to prove something (which is why there are very few laws in physics but mostly theories). >2
It depends though because finding flaws in something that has been accepted for years can lead to huge breakthroughs
The flaws are typically at the extreme applications of accepted orthodoxy (eg. Quantum theory) rather than existing theory being just wrong.
Merlinpa
She looks so blissfully ignorantly proud of herself. (yeah, I know it's probably shopped, but still)
OaksParcel
Shopped or not, there are people like this. Bill O'Reilly infamously tried to argue on his show that the existence of tides is proof of God.
waeraj
It is not shopped.
Dinos91
True. That's the original image
thatonetimefrombandcamp
DooksandPooks
Dude, religion can make you believe in anything, even Trump.
PearjuiceATX
There, not their
OrionRed
This was after the Bill Nye / Ken Hamm debacle. Someone had those cards ready in the lobby:
https://unreasonablydangerousonionrings.com/2014/02/15/22-stupid-people-holding-signs/
LateNightBunnyParty
"unreasonably dangerous onion ring." Was this blog written by a fellow onion allergy sufferer?
AdmiralJohn
This one is my favorite.
fantasticmisterfox13
Along with the author's response, "Shut the fuck up". Perfect
lordsupafly
I... I really tried reading all of them, for a laugh... but I just couldn't. I need alcohol. Lots of it. To forget it.
These are people that just can't get how crazy awesome the world and history is. They retreat into a simplified fantasy world.
We have a support group for people stunned by creationists..it's called reality.
scriptsarge
Science. The answer should always be: science.
TheWhiteBarry
Amen.
YeeticusOfTheTribeYeet
And when it isn't, "I don't know" is not only an appropriate answer, but the preferred one.
Why do people think science proves there is no God? Everything behaving logically is a pretty strong argument FOR intelligent design.
Gods do not need to be unproven. Gods need to be proven. Until they are, the logical belief is they are not real. If things behaving >
logically proved gods. Anything seemingly illogical would just as easily disprove them.
So your argument is that through random chaos everything just achieved confluence and somehow made perfect sense. What is entropy then?
I did not say everything made perfect sense. I am not entirely sure what entropy is-thermal energy levels. It is randomness in the universe.
We know about gravity, cool. How did gravity come from the Big Bang? Expansion is counter to gravity. Why does it exist?
A parable: I play guitar, and I like Green Day. I can play pretty much all of their songs, am I as good a musician as Green Day?
I came along after, and saw what they did and liked it and I can take it apart and go 'Thats amazing, I see why that works the way it does'
If you can play all of the songs they can play then sure, you've reached their skill level. That is true if they all shared one skill level.
Gods have never needed to be proven, that's pretty much counter to the point.
If gods never needed to be proven, they never needed to be believed. Any rational god would never expect anyone to believe in him without
proof.
What makes you think God needs us to believe in him? That's a pop culture idea, I'm pretty sure.
electronicbovine
That sexy Rayleigh scatter
FunAlternativeFact
Also, just because we don’t currently have a scientific explanation for something, doesn’t mean “because god” is the only possible answer.
FlyingGiantElk
God of the manufactured gaps. When someone filled the gap in knowledge, so you make another one to perpetuate false but comforting beliefs.
arkadun
And too often it goes "I dont understand the science so its god"
Wrenfield
For some reason the idea that religiously motivated people misspell everything in comparison to logical thinkers seems totally appropriate.
ChickenROAR
"Because God" is a lazy cop out bitch move. Learn something rather than be willfully ignorant.
malachilenomade
Ok, I'm willing to defend people that have faith but seriously: don't be fucking moronic about your faith.
TacoFox
Those eyes are connected to nothing...an abyss.
MelfsAcidArrow
Spelled? Or is spelt an alternative spelling?
JReene
"Can your 'science' explain why it rains?" YES! It CAN!
Blacktusk
Science explains how rain happens, not, like, *why* rain happens, man.
kakivara
Such a strange question, I wonder what part of a sunset she thinks necessarily requires a divine being.
The22ndDoctor
Basically, it's just a humongous rainbow.
TheoFromSteam
Immgoohr
there
HatinS8N
Ha. You think the earth is round. Right there tells me science can’t explain anything
theyar
spelled
DukeOfAnkhMorpork
MsTeak
MeCrowPotato
poopfarts666
thei'yre
MasterMookie
[deleted]
[deleted]
ICommentFromTheLandDownUnder
Gotta disagree my dude/lady. She just fecked up the there/they're/their thing like half the people on here seem to
vanishinggirl
Oh, I get that she doesn’t understand those differences- that’s why I found her mistake ironic.
DukeOfAnkhMorpork
Well now I'm curious what they deleted
ICommentFromTheLandDownUnder
Essentially they said that contextually the their was symbolising her "god" or something, where in reality it was just a mistake
userfriendly19777
BigFatBobbie
rubypilgrim
If there is a God, he/she/it has a lot to answer for.
youcantgiveAbabybooze
If there is a god, what is the point of a sunset? Does he expect a pretty sky at night will distract us from him being an absolute dick?
Devolv3
God of the Gaps. When science can't explain, god steps in. When Science explains God moves to another gap.
TheLastKingOfSomewhere
What a bizarre question
WhollyOriginalUsername
Jfc... Science tells you HOW, religion/philosophy tells you WHY. Anything else is a loser's game
Mandaglorian
That’s bs. Science can tell us why better than some old fairytale.
WhollyOriginalUsername
Please expand on that. When I say why I mean as "why does the sun shine". Science can tell us all about the mechanisms 1/2
WhollyOriginalUsername
And I said philosophy, not just religion.
WhollyOriginalUsername
2/2 and how it was formed, but as to the deeper why, the answer just isn't there IF you need an answer
Raoin
Remember when Christian's would ask those questions and become scientists to find out? I miss those Christian's..
keenidiot
There's plenty of those still. There's also still a lot of idiots.
BigFatBobbie
Remember learning of the apostrophe? Why is it "christian's" and not "scientist's"? These are my question's.
Raoin
Yah. That was just my phone being a dickhead and refusing not to do it the other way.
BigFatBobbie
I friggin hate that.
JustManuel
They kinda kicked out a couple of fanatic puritans out of europe/britain&went all out on science. The puritans went all out on north america
euphoricopportunity
It almost feels like they're playing mad libs. "If there's no god, how do you explain Dunkin' Donuts? Checkmate, atheists."
rubypilgrim
well that's a valid argument. :) *checks Bible for reference to Dunkin' Donuts - aHA! Leviticus 7:12 to the rescue! When you sacrifice...
rubypilgrim
an animal for thanksgiving, you're supposed to offer up some doughnuts with it. Where better to get those doughnuts than DD?
rubypilgrim
"If you offer it as a thank offering, you must also bring rings of unleavened bread mixed with olive oil..."
rubypilgrim
of course atheists can be just as grateful for a Dunkin' Donut doughnut as anyone else. They just don't have to kill an animal over it.
rubypilgrim
sometimes a doughnut is just a doughnut
euphoricopportunity
They seem to think that our capacity to have an emotional reaction to something is evidence of God - and that if we don't draw that (1/2)
euphoricopportunity
conclusion, we're somehow incomplete or that we don't have a proper emotional capacity. Like the people who claim Beethoven as evidence. 2/2
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"If there is a god, how do you exlain the existence of Florida? Checkmate, deists!"
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
I took a bite of a banana but instead of banana I bit my tongue- CHECKMATE ATHEISTS
Blacktusk
Deus lo volt!
Chawzilla
I don't even understand the question
ASCIIbot
Lady thinks that the sun set is caused by god. Then science explains it.
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
Pray for wisdom
Sixsystems
God gave us the science.
Blacktusk
Some snake gave us science. God wanted us naked and sexy in a perfect garden.
TreasonousCheeto
More likely that a lack of science gave us God.
Tminus1622d
I'm kinda curious why or how God would be required for the sunset? That's not in the bible and feels like they're appropiating other>>
Tminus1622d
religions' stuff.
rubypilgrim
Genesis: 9:13-17 God makes rainbow as covenant that never again will He destroy the earth with flood. However, He said nothing about fire,
rubypilgrim
pestilence, or stupidity. Also not a particularly dependable God. Def not one that gets my worship.
Tminus1622d
That's the rainbow. That's not the sunset or sunrise. He isnt cranking a wheel or moving stuff around, that's in other religions.
littlegraycellsmonami
Or..God created science.
BigFatBobbie
Thiests could give up so many losing battles, like the one against evolution. Just slap a "god did it on there". Even doctrines can evolve.
Iatesomecoffeecups
Yea like.. science means stidying the universe, right? Why not study what God have you?
Iatesomecoffeecups
Gave
YoungHeathen
That’s why the Jesuits were formed yeah?
YoungHeathen
Apparently not at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
YoungHeathen
Though a bunch of them did do good science:
YoungHeathen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church
tyner156
People who don't believe science: OK how come Science can't explain THIS!? Science: We have, listen up...
SleepyverySleepy
The real scary thing is science answered a lot of this shyt centuries ago. And people wonder why we can’t keep up in the STEM fields.
SleepyverySleepy
Like when people debate about common ancestry. We have entire branches of science based on genetics which is based on common ancestry smh
EvilDeadTed
Derginsdrogalot
Dawkins: That's why its science. We try to answer the questions of how and why.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
“What? No I said explain it! And you can’t! “
StevenFarmer
People who don't believe science: LA LA LA NOT LISTENING!!
Hevach
Even the things science actually "can't" explain, once you saw how much partial work exists you might think they actually have.
senefen
Okay, but I personally don't understand so it must be God.
Textuality
Villager: "Can your science explain why it rains?" Sokka: "Yes! Yes it can!"
insanekamikaze
and.... enter that scene w/ sokka about science
XVUltima
I'm honestly impressed that a society that uses clubs and boomerangs has figured out meteorology.
insanekamikaze
yea, but then, sokka's weirdly awesome like that :D
linearcore
"Now this is a story all about how / your life got flipped-turned upside down / In clean rooms and labs all over the world " 1/
linearcore
"scientists spent most of their days / chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool / And experimentin' with some chemicals inside the school" /2
ASCIIbot
People: How explain bible if no god? Science: roll eyes, toss paper, leave room in anger that such stupidity has evolved.
ServerMonkeyKing
Best scientific description for religion I can think of is: misplaced/misguided object permanence.
xUnrealRealityx
People way back in past lie and trick dumb people.
ASCIIbot
Honestly, would not be surprised. Imagine if Dune is worshiped 4000 y from now. People think they are on a forgotten planet or something.
lordofthedice
Also misunderstand natural phenomena.
Richter12x2
If matter can't be created or destroyed, what went bang during the big bang, and how did it get there?
Khargath
At one point in time all of matter was superfinitely dense ball of matter. After an indeterminate amount of time, it become unstable and -
Richter12x2
How did the matter get there without being created? Why was it dense? How did it become unstable?
Khargath
Exploded outward at insane speeds. Matter doesn't like to touch at an atomic level so when it became unstable the reaction was violent.
Richter12x2
Why doesn't matter like to touch at the atomic level? What made it that way? Doesn't that oppose gravity? /1
Richter12x2
Why did the universe include a force that opposes gravity?
Monkeyfighter
Tide goes in, tide goes out.
Skomer
Bread goes in, toast comes out
EntropyReign
Findlocalsloths
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fGIlLiQfbUk
EntropyReign
Oof, he actually used the tide goes in, tide goes out in more than one of these? Huh.
d33tzplz
AnUpvoteFaerie
"... the sun comes up, the sun goes down. You can't explain that." -Bill OReilly to Richard Dawkins ( think it was Dawkins?)
Syxcfaq
You can't explain that!
nateglen350
Tide goes in the washing machine
DidNoOneNoticeThis
Oh great. Is eerything a tide ad again?!
LordNergal
I have the perfect joke reply to this, but this is not the time. Seriously, people need to just accept the science.
LarryR1
Please do tell.
cappygold
No people need to be aware of correct science and work to ensure it is accurate and up to date. science isn't perfect, but ignoring it=bad
LordNergal
I would argue that is accepting the science. But, you do have a good point.
tehmatser
Blindly accepting science is just as bad as saying god did everything
Timbagged
The thing about science though is once it’s proven wrong, we tend to go with the new answer.
HenryLongfellowIII
True but stuff that's been accepted for hundreds of years is a waste of your time to dispute.
CeterumCenseo
Why? If you can actually dispute some of the big theories, you can be sure to win the Nobel Prize. It's also generally easier to disprove >1
CeterumCenseo
1>2 something than to prove something (which is why there are very few laws in physics but mostly theories). >2
tehmatser
It depends though because finding flaws in something that has been accepted for years can lead to huge breakthroughs
HenryLongfellowIII
The flaws are typically at the extreme applications of accepted orthodoxy (eg. Quantum theory) rather than existing theory being just wrong.
Merlinpa
She looks so blissfully ignorantly proud of herself. (yeah, I know it's probably shopped, but still)
OaksParcel
Shopped or not, there are people like this. Bill O'Reilly infamously tried to argue on his show that the existence of tides is proof of God.
waeraj
It is not shopped.
Dinos91
True. That's the original image
thatonetimefrombandcamp
DooksandPooks
Dude, religion can make you believe in anything, even Trump.
PearjuiceATX
There, not their
OrionRed
This was after the Bill Nye / Ken Hamm debacle. Someone had those cards ready in the lobby:
OrionRed
https://unreasonablydangerousonionrings.com/2014/02/15/22-stupid-people-holding-signs/
LateNightBunnyParty
"unreasonably dangerous onion ring." Was this blog written by a fellow onion allergy sufferer?
AdmiralJohn
fantasticmisterfox13
Along with the author's response, "Shut the fuck up". Perfect
lordsupafly
I... I really tried reading all of them, for a laugh... but I just couldn't. I need alcohol. Lots of it. To forget it.
keenidiot
These are people that just can't get how crazy awesome the world and history is. They retreat into a simplified fantasy world.
OrionRed
We have a support group for people stunned by creationists..it's called reality.
scriptsarge
Science. The answer should always be: science.
TheWhiteBarry
Amen.
YeeticusOfTheTribeYeet
linearcore
And when it isn't, "I don't know" is not only an appropriate answer, but the preferred one.
Richter12x2
Why do people think science proves there is no God? Everything behaving logically is a pretty strong argument FOR intelligent design.
BigFatBobbie
Gods do not need to be unproven. Gods need to be proven. Until they are, the logical belief is they are not real. If things behaving >
BigFatBobbie
logically proved gods. Anything seemingly illogical would just as easily disprove them.
Richter12x2
So your argument is that through random chaos everything just achieved confluence and somehow made perfect sense. What is entropy then?
BigFatBobbie
I did not say everything made perfect sense. I am not entirely sure what entropy is-thermal energy levels. It is randomness in the universe.
Richter12x2
We know about gravity, cool. How did gravity come from the Big Bang? Expansion is counter to gravity. Why does it exist?
Richter12x2
A parable: I play guitar, and I like Green Day. I can play pretty much all of their songs, am I as good a musician as Green Day?
Richter12x2
I came along after, and saw what they did and liked it and I can take it apart and go 'Thats amazing, I see why that works the way it does'
BigFatBobbie
If you can play all of the songs they can play then sure, you've reached their skill level. That is true if they all shared one skill level.
Richter12x2
Gods have never needed to be proven, that's pretty much counter to the point.
BigFatBobbie
If gods never needed to be proven, they never needed to be believed. Any rational god would never expect anyone to believe in him without
BigFatBobbie
proof.
Richter12x2
What makes you think God needs us to believe in him? That's a pop culture idea, I'm pretty sure.