Very much an exception to the rule. Most games fail, that's how it's always been, and this year has been a catastrophic year for studios big and small. It will get even worse.
Meanwhile, at Arrowhead Studios: "QUICK! HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO HOLD OUR TROUSERS UP! WE'VE MADE ANOTHER MILLION OVERNIGHT!" "I'M TRYING TO SPEND ALL MINE ON SERVERS, BUT I CAN'T BUY THEM FAST ENOUGH!" "Oh yeah, that reminds me, I had to explain to Cloudflare that we're not getting DDOS'd, again. Next time you're doing it."
Non-indie devs get turbo fucked on the regular too. Blizzard Entertainment employees report not being able to afford meals in the company cafeteria, and purposefully using the provided free coffee as an appetite suppressant.
Totally. It's very sad! I know a case where they worked like INSANE amount of hours for an AAA company and even the wage was not that great... very sad.
This is why I don't care if indie developers push their games at the end of posts on Imgur. Or even use the post to promote it! Support your indie developers! People scream "Ad!!" like it's f'in EA promoting Madden 24.
EA were great to me when I worked for them, however, this was like 1999. A whole pizza each, daily, beer on Fridays and we played tons of Quake 3 over LAN, it was so good
Hey wait! I remember you! You did the Voidness! The comment I use from Spock about indie devs being allowed to promote their games on Imgur was actually in one of your posts for that game!
Hey yeah haha that's me! Thank you so much man <3 I get why some people get angry because they hate ads (who doesn't) but most indie devs like myself genuinely want to share their work they happily worked on and don't have the high budget $$$ for ads, because ads are not cheap at all
I really enjoy seeing others creative work here and I don't mind because in the end I am discovering new things, and if I don't like it I just carry on about. There is always a limit tho. Thanks again dude!
Eh… I’m fine with somebody that is genuinely showing off their project (especially on Imgur’s “show us what you make” events and the like), but when the account name is the game title, and they have no posts or comments except ads, I get annoyed.
Report it as spam all you want, but it's not a violation of the community rules, and is encouraged by Imgur. But, don't take my word for it, take Imgur's: /gallery/Vujvw2M/comment/2315054001/1
Totally agree. Some of them are very over worked and some of them really need more praise for all the work the have done! I heard some stories about LOOOOONG hours they work for an AAA-company and the pay was not even that great :/
Their cubicle/apartment rent is calculated out of their base pay (big slash-s on this, I'm not at all being serious as I'm not in that industry but also wouldn't be surprised if they actually would do that.)
I worked at my professional studios (EA, Rockstar, etc) in management. We calculate “total cost” of an employee. Salary+bonus+equipment+rent+utilities etc when budgeting (I was responsible for dev teams on several AAA games)
Every industry will abuse rhere employees if we let them. People need to not tolerate this bullshit anymore. The government needs to better protect employees from this.
I agree that this is something that needs to stop but it's more built in the culture (rather than enforced) than it seems. Supergiant Games (Hades, Bastion, etc) talked about how they had to force employees to spend their paid leaves or else people wouldn't, because they felt like they were letting down their team if so. I recommand listening to the documentary they made about Hades production, it's very interesting
Holocure has much better controls IMO, and seems to have more content than I could possibly use. I'd rate it way above vampire survivors but I respect your opinion
I'm... Not though? There's plenty of other games with anime girls. They're not particularly hot in Holocure. It's a genuinely great game, I was just reccomending it
I have several friends in the game industry, from what the director of one local studio tells me, you’re likely to get your wish in 2024, unfortunately the same is true for the smaller studios as well. It’s gonna be an crappy year to be a game dev.
Doubt it. I've got some friends in the game industry as well and while things don't look great for developers in general, the studios are chugging along just fine. AAA studios come and go but as a whole, they're here to stay.
I love plenty of indie games but it's disingenuous to turn a blind eye to the absolute mountains of absolute garbage that comes out of the indie sphere.
I hope studios like Larian become the role model for game developers going on, staying independent and making their games with crowdfunding, and not by signing their soul over to some suits...
How many working days are in your average year, wise guy? Games don’t get released on non-working days. I was hoping people here would possess the necessary transfer function to deduce this and they didn’t need to be spoonfed. My bad.
There are >260< working days in a year, without deducting holidays... If, in protest of simple jokes, you're going to pitch a fit over how super correct your math was, it would help if it was actually correct.
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
every lara croft game is trying to crowd fund to sell some shitty ass bag for an insane price like its an indie dev right now
PubstarHero
The guys who made PalWorld and Zeekers (Lethal Company) made millions and are basically set for life at this point.
DdCno1
Very much an exception to the rule. Most games fail, that's how it's always been, and this year has been a catastrophic year for studios big and small. It will get even worse.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
Sick of most of gaming industry these years
porcubot
I just started work on what will hopefully be my first commercial product as an indie dev.
I do not expect to quit my day job.
Mech891
Good luck! If you ever need any help or need to ask me something, feel free to hit me up :) .. I will try to help when I can!
mward1984
Meanwhile, at Arrowhead Studios: "QUICK! HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO HOLD OUR TROUSERS UP! WE'VE MADE ANOTHER MILLION OVERNIGHT!"
"I'M TRYING TO SPEND ALL MINE ON SERVERS, BUT I CAN'T BUY THEM FAST ENOUGH!"
"Oh yeah, that reminds me, I had to explain to Cloudflare that we're not getting DDOS'd, again. Next time you're doing it."
DdCno1
The "fridge is too full" kind of problem to have.
VodkaReindeer
*Balatro dev spreading avocado on their toast*
MangaSpawn
Sigh it is so true. I miss working in games. The people are so passionate about what they make.
Sechran
Non-indie devs get turbo fucked on the regular too. Blizzard Entertainment employees report not being able to afford meals in the company cafeteria, and purposefully using the provided free coffee as an appetite suppressant.
Mech891
Totally. It's very sad! I know a case where they worked like INSANE amount of hours for an AAA company and even the wage was not that great... very sad.
Mech891
and the saddest thing is these are well known companies. Companies you would think they treat their employees fair but it's the other way around.
Kittynomnoms
And wait until you hear the complaints from the female employees.
Masaya51
Fake news
alittlebitbored
Sony made 6% profit in the Christmas quarter? If I said you’d make 6 cents on every dollar of goods you sell most people wouldn’t even bother.
SithElephant
DdCno1
Relevant:
NightOwlRally
Big "why are you running for president? - because it's faster than walking for president" vibes here
Plifplafpluff
Twas like this over 20 years ago. It ain't gonna change.
gablestout
This is why I don't care if indie developers push their games at the end of posts on Imgur.
Or even use the post to promote it! Support your indie developers! People scream "Ad!!" like it's f'in EA promoting Madden 24.
demoncatmara
EA were great to me when I worked for them, however, this was like 1999. A whole pizza each, daily, beer on Fridays and we played tons of Quake 3 over LAN, it was so good
Mech891
I think those were the good old EA days until greed took over .. happens with a lot of companies unfortunately and it's sad :(
Mech891
Thank you for your support <3 Comments like these really means so much to small indie developers like us :)
gablestout
Hey wait! I remember you! You did the Voidness! The comment I use from Spock about indie devs being allowed to promote their games on Imgur was actually in one of your posts for that game!
Mech891
Hey yeah haha that's me! Thank you so much man <3 I get why some people get angry because they hate ads (who doesn't) but most indie devs like myself genuinely want to share their work they happily worked on and don't have the high budget $$$ for ads, because ads are not cheap at all
I really enjoy seeing others creative work here and I don't mind because in the end I am discovering new things, and if I don't like it I just carry on about. There is always a limit tho. Thanks again dude!
Tarmaccian
Eh… I’m fine with somebody that is genuinely showing off their project (especially on Imgur’s “show us what you make” events and the like), but when the account name is the game title, and they have no posts or comments except ads, I get annoyed.
MisterLemons
There's showing art, and there's selling a product. The moment there's a link or a name listed by the OP, it's downvoted and reported as spam.
Nobody here should be submitting to advertisements because it's the little guy cramming them in your face.
gablestout
Report it as spam all you want, but it's not a violation of the community rules, and is encouraged by Imgur. But, don't take my word for it, take Imgur's: /gallery/Vujvw2M/comment/2315054001/1
demoncatmara
I love when people snow off their stuff on here, will have to show mine when it's finished
resworn
Graphics so realistic tho!!!!
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I KNOW! And look here! That pirate ship is so PiRaTeY! I befriended a parrot and got scurvy.
GreyKnightTemplar666
AAA devs? Or Indie? Either way, I don't play video games for the graphics. I'll watch a Micheal bay movie if I want graphics with narrow thin plots.
justfillingthespace
If you want "graphics" and "thin plots", I've got a couple doujins I could recommend.
GreyKnightTemplar666
I'll never say no to a good thin plotted large graphiced doujin
cosinewave
And those devs work their asses off. I was in the industry for a short time and learned that sleeping under desks is not unheard of in game studios.
Mech891
Totally agree. Some of them are very over worked and some of them really need more praise for all the work the have done! I heard some stories about LOOOOONG hours they work for an AAA-company and the pay was not even that great :/
ReallyFastSloth
I would highly recommend to watch a video The Engoodening of No Man's Sky, they went through shit and back.
WastingEvenMoreTime
Be wary of the studios that cater meals. It means they expect you to never leave.
cepheidvariable
My college and university taught us to do it, and encouraged it, stating it is expected of us.
thingifound
Sleeping under desks. Heavy drinking. Mismanaged projects. People who don't bathe. Insane pressure from above to mtx. List goes on
gilliamv
Their cubicle/apartment rent is calculated out of their base pay (big slash-s on this, I'm not at all being serious as I'm not in that industry but also wouldn't be surprised if they actually would do that.)
ChickenLord666
I worked at my professional studios (EA, Rockstar, etc) in management. We calculate “total cost” of an employee. Salary+bonus+equipment+rent+utilities etc when budgeting (I was responsible for dev teams on several AAA games)
ChickenLord666
Many not my
TheVoidFrog
Every industry will abuse rhere employees if we let them. People need to not tolerate this bullshit anymore. The government needs to better protect employees from this.
derspielverdorbene
According to a lot of people that would be socialism
CptNesquick
I agree that this is something that needs to stop but it's more built in the culture (rather than enforced) than it seems. Supergiant Games (Hades, Bastion, etc) talked about how they had to force employees to spend their paid leaves or else people wouldn't, because they felt like they were letting down their team if so. I recommand listening to the documentary they made about Hades production, it's very interesting
DarkBusterBaron
Got a link?
CptNesquick
https://www.noclip.video/hades
Raoul97533
Honestly, I just hope all the big AAA Game Studios will die soon, the way they get outclassed by Indie Studios who focus on making good games.
demoncatmara
I highly recommend Holocure, it's free on Steam and my fave game right now
Muffyns
Wait until you find out that vampire survivors is like the same thing but with more content
demoncatmara
Holocure has much better controls IMO, and seems to have more content than I could possibly use. I'd rate it way above vampire survivors but I respect your opinion
alantosai
you can just say you're in it for the anime girls
demoncatmara
I'm... Not though? There's plenty of other games with anime girls. They're not particularly hot in Holocure. It's a genuinely great game, I was just reccomending it
Ohdearaudrey
They won’t because the normies outweigh the indie game steam crowd
buddhanature
I have several friends in the game industry, from what the director of one local studio tells me, you’re likely to get your wish in 2024, unfortunately the same is true for the smaller studios as well. It’s gonna be an crappy year to be a game dev.
pokos33
Doubt it. I've got some friends in the game industry as well and while things don't look great for developers in general, the studios are chugging along just fine. AAA studios come and go but as a whole, they're here to stay.
Miyamotofan
I love plenty of indie games but it's disingenuous to turn a blind eye to the absolute mountains of absolute garbage that comes out of the indie sphere.
MisterLemons
90% of it winds up on imgur. Oh look, another generic unity asset amalgam!
ReallyFastSloth
Then indie devs become triple a and the cycle continues.
Raoul97533
I hope studios like Larian become the role model for game developers going on, staying independent and making their games with crowdfunding, and not by signing their soul over to some suits...
GratuaCuun
Well 'become' - more like 'get EATEN ALIVE AND HOLLOWED OUT by some publisher'
frosss
Yes
Sumdumguy42
It’s a free choice to align with a publisher.
Sumdumguy42
It’s a number game. Every day there are 50 games released per day. PER DAY. and in those 14000 games the occasional gem pops up.
reichstein
This math seems a little off.
Sumdumguy42
Games usually do not get released on non-working days.
RentedRedux
TIL- There are 280 days in a year.
Sumdumguy42
How many working days are in your average year, wise guy? Games don’t get released on non-working days. I was hoping people here would possess the necessary transfer function to deduce this and they didn’t need to be spoonfed. My bad.
RentedRedux
There are >260< working days in a year, without deducting holidays... If, in protest of simple jokes, you're going to pitch a fit over how super correct your math was, it would help if it was actually correct.