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TheEvenPrez
The people who died without life-saving treatments also all had families
LoganCreed42
Collaborators are given no quarter.
PotFox
And thousands of the people his company killed by inadequate or outright refusal of healthcare also had family. Any outrage for them?
syko2k
Fuck him. Humanity is a little better for his removal.
GorillaPowers
Ed Gein had a family. Loved his mother very much...
fourseasonsandamovie
CEO? OLIGARCH!
Default87
I like the implication that if he were single and without a family, his assassination would be ok. its like people dont even think about what what they are saying really means or implies.
ucandcantunc
Yeah who says he was a good Dad? If he was a shitty Dad abusing his kids then it's ok? But a good Dad its not?
I am sure many Nazis shoving people into ovens, or Israelis killing Palestinian kids seem like great Dads.....
straightoutofcollagen
You know who else has families, Julie, the thousands of people who die because of insurance denials.
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
I hope people direct their despicable co!ments her way.
yamamasyamaha
If you value money and bonuses more than my life and health, why would I value your life more than my healthcare coverage?
RabbitAndOctopus
If you're wondering about the validity of this, here are some sources to read.
https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate-forces-eld">/">https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate-forces-elderly-out-of-rehab-nursing-homes-suit-claims/
https://www.newsweek.com/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-ai-lawsuit-1996266
RabbitAndOctopus
If you want to read the actual lawsuit text, here: https://litigationtracker.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Barrows-et-al-v.-Humana-Inc.-Docket-No.-3-23-cv-00654-W.D.-Ky.-Dec-12-2023-Court-Docket.pdf
RabbitAndOctopus
That's a Humana lawsuit for using the same AI model. This is the UHC lawsuit: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/class-action-v-unitedhealth-and-navihealth-1.pdf
iamdeathandthisismyvalley
In some form or another, 99% of people that get killed by accelerated lead poisoning have families... what's her point exactly? Dude was a sack of shit, worked for a shit company and reaped what he sowed.
BtchMuffin
His family isn't a consolation to his victims.
socraticmeathead
So his contribution to this world was he fired a lot people AND denied life-saving care to more. That is some Shakespeare level tragedy right there.
Omnimorph2112
Having a family should make what these people do even worse.
FrenchHorny29
I spoke with someone today who apparently knows his wife. That person said they’re legally separated “because she’s a good person”.
RedStarVidal
Spicy, but a legitimate position if true.
GarmBlack
It is. There is currently a lawsuit from 2 families who had family members die due to the AI model used to deny care, and the error rate and prior knowledge are both portions of this lawsuit.
levyathyn
UHC ran with the highest industry rate of denial at over 30%--something he didn't just applaud, but intend, create, and celebrate. He was a stain on this fucking planet, and even the soil he gets buried in won't recover until his corpse is completely rotted away.
You know who else had families? The millions of people he killed for money.
PapaJoeNH
theraininspainfallsmainlyontheplain
*90% denial rate. It's not an error if it makes them money.
Shapster
Fuck off Julie
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
That mindset of "He had a family" are the same people who tell you that no matter how miserably your family treats you that you should never abandon them and continue to bend over backward to help them.
3rdoption
Having a family is not a defense for ANYONE FOR ANYTHING! FUCK ALL THE GODDAMN FAMILY OBSESSED HYPOCRITES IN THEIR ASSES WITH THE LEAFY ENDS OF PINEAPPLES!
Bhargo
literally everyone has a family, that isnt justification for anything.
CaptainQuarkk
ArgumentativeArguerJustBecause
It's literally just a play on your empathy. "Oh but look now other people are sad like his wife and kids" good and let it be a learning opportunity that teaches them how to be functioning members of a healthy society or they can join dear old dad.
TheMindEntropic
"Family values" is the heartstring media attempts to pull with every manipulation tactic. It's all working class folks usually have, so that's where talking points go
Idontneedrealfacts
It's because these people know they ha e not contributed o e damn useful thing to society, they are hoping their crusty crotch spawn are worth something.
Gorglax9
shyriath
With a rusty cactus. Mind you, I don't know how you get a cactus to go rusty, but I'm confident that a way can be found through the power of Science (tm).
ballsoutflyer
Steel. Make it out of steel. Then rough it up with an angle grinder, for extra tearing power.
Subtilico
Something with a baseball bat, lots of 9" nails, and some green paint.
3rdoption
thekeyofe
Take a cactus and bury in dirt and rust for a day or two, until it's got lots of tetanus bacteria on all the spines.
Warzone12
I say a LEAD cactus. A cactus made from lead.
HandoB4Javert
Some people have no family thanks to others that do.
Shaodyn
TheCryptid
whats with them and the "he had a family" argument? like it makes him a good person bc of that
innagaddavidababy
No. The point is that people besides him are suffering from his death.
theobituator
More suffered from his life.
reverendfixxxer
It's worse than that. The implication isn't so much that he's a good person as it is that we're bad people and should feel ashamed of ourselves. Those who make that argument are essentially saying that they can't make a defense of the "victim's" character, so they're resorting to attacking our image of morality. Those people can shove it way, WAY up their ass with a splintered broom handle.
ConstantlyonYoBack
His kids might be better off.
kittyfajitas
In the same vein, yesterday someone kept posting "he was an accountant" in the comments as if being an accountant was some just and noble profession that erased all the evil he later caused as CEO. I mean, what kind of awful shit did the motherfucker do in order to move from "accountant" up to "CEO"? Somehow I doubt he was "but a humble accountant" determined to make the move to CEO in order carry on with his good works.
Lastluke
I’m sure he was great with numbers. He calculated how to increase profits by denying benefits to sick people.
Navrodel
I don't care if he had a loving dog, monsters don't get a pass because their personal lives aren't monstrous. There is nothing that excuses horrific morality - political party, religion, disabilities, family, pets, favorite pizza topping, it's all irrelevant.
This is judging a man purely on his actions. There's no "fine character" way out of it.
Mmbear
Now hold on. We don’t know if his personal life wasn’t awful too. Just because you have a family doesn’t mean he didn’t treat them awful either. A high number of executives are sociopaths. Like that isn’t hyperbole, the behavior and lack of empathy required to reach those levels are all signs of sociopathic behavior.
Mmbear
Thats the only argument they have, because everything about his existence was awful. You see no one is attacking his family just him. Even the most terrible people usually have someone who cared about them. I am sad for them but not going to pretend having a family makes up for atrocities he committed.
zhellybelly
He had a family!
zhellybelly
Like... a mom.
zhellybelly
A mom who raised a serial killer. Hmm.
kittyfajitas
We should all aspire to such a marriage in which we don't confide in our spouse about pesky little details as pertain to death threats.
CheesecakePi
Attempt at humanizing him and (somewhat ironically and hypocritically) demonize those that are openly celebrating his death by implying they're less compassionate people. Doesn't actually make him any more or less of a piece of shit. Tons of terrible people have friends and family who care about them (or who want to pretend they do when it's time for the funeral, even if privately it's not true).
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
following the good white christian model and all that bad bullshit
ravensdaemon
So he was a pedophile also??
Comet260
He probably supported genocide and slavery too. The Christian bible endorses both of those things.
DrPepper523
Same argument they use when people go no contact with their family and people try to say "But they're your family!" Or "but she's your mom". Yeah and that doesn't change the fact that they're fucking assholes.
3rdoption
Putin has a family. Kim Jong Un has a family. Osama Bin Laden had a huge family.
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shyasen
I don't know about Gomez Adams, but Gomez Addams has a family and the Addams Family has values. I can't say the same for Brian Thompson or his family.
jethroismaxbaer5772
John Wayne Gacy had a family also.
DarkBusterBaron
Hitler had a family families don't make someone valuable or good if nothing else his family is also reaping the rewards of letting people die for profit.
LychFinderGeneral
I do feel empathy for his children losing their dad. But he is also indirectly to blame for that, as he wouldn't have left them behind if he hadn't been so callous and cruel to the people his company supposedly serves
awkungen42
Guillotine, guillotine, lots of guillotines. I may have a bit of guillo.. tunnel vision at the moment.
SergeyPrkl
The point is with guilliotine that there isn't many. Just few, so that there is a queue.
cardinal29
BeaverOnFire
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Andre the giant had a pose
Sticklebrickk
NO HE DIDNT HE WAS A MAN AND HAD A BIG OL DING DONG I KNOW BECAISE HE SHOWED ME
PepeLePewLooneyTunes
He was the brute squad.
Rustmyer
He WAS the brute squadr.
3rdoption
TheOldestProfession
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Damn s
Helixninja333
And his family is probably celebrating that Christmas came early with their inheritance.
innagaddavidababy
I’m guessing you haven’t had a close family member die.
gypsyspot
not a rich one, no
YouAreTheInsultMaster
I'm guessing you haven't had a close family member who was a total piece of shit die
AMercer
True. I bet they do not understand that inheritance and insurance payouts take time. They are not something that can be resolved in just a few days time. It will be next year before his heirs get full access to everything. This is a cold and heartless message in regards to the cold and heartless person that died. You reap what you sow.
SlickWithaLimerick
He died in a fairly quick way, unlike his THOUSANDS of victims.
Darkwolf2577
I've had multiple family members die, and guess what? Some of them were absolute pieces of shit, and I definitely celebrated the fact I no longer had to even remotely consider their existence! Perhaps this CEO was a good father and husband and they will mourn him, but that doesn't change that he was a piece of shit to other people and other families. Dying doesn't magically make someone a good person or immune to criticizing the actions they took in life.
blessedarethecheesemakers
I’m guessing you haven’t had a close family member die due to life saving medical denial by an insurance company.
Omnimorph2112
Life insurance too.
ApparentlyAllTheGoodOnesWereTaken
Bonus points if it gets denied by the shitty AI the company implemented lmfao
Nalianna
stewgru
It would be the first paid claim if he got it from his company.
crapybarra
I'd like to see the data behind the 90% error rate and the context as to why something like this is legal. Was it not being double checked and running on its own? Were there teams double checking its work? That's nuts.
Lastluke
Why something like that is legal?
Lobbying (aka bribes)
HelpfulCorn
https://www.propublica.org/article/evicore-health-insurance-denials-cigna-unitedhealthcare-aetna-prior-authorizations
RabbitAndOctopus
https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate-forces-elderly-out-of-rehab-nursing-homes-suit-claims/
Here you go.
crapybarra
Thank you. So it's not rejecting 90% of all claims, it's covering a specific demographic in certain circumstance. It's also not necessarily legal. I hope they lose their shirts over this.
velicitia
Their shirts, pants, socks, underwear ...
whitebbwolf
Life?
velicitia
Does a "corporation" really have "life"?
avavilina
The fact that it's not necessarily legal doesn't negate the fact that the company chose to keep using that AI under Thompson's leadership. That puts any deaths that resulted from that choice on his head, regardless of the legality of that action.
crapybarra
I'm speaking from a POV of the likelihood of those affected who are pursuing civil claims winning.