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BravelyBoldSirPrise
Need source tho
zultch
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
DestroYersul
The fact that the inside edges of those letters don't have black outlines distresses me.
SSMorePowerfulThanSupermanBatmanSpiderManandtheIncredibleHulk
Why did you have to point that out? I was living in blissful ignorance...
AManisNotACamel
It's comments like this that make imgur worth coming back to. +1 for you.
justsignedupforthishit
As does your username.
Thecatintherye
Lol I haven't even noticed that, now it bothers me too lol
idpassr
Wouldn't inside edges be 'inlines'?
Tittiemangler
My baby momma is on drugs, homeless, and no job. And they still wont give me full custody of my beautiful daughter
izzatme
Hang tough for the sake of your daughter. You can win.
Tittiemangler
Thanks man i appreciate. Ill never give up on her until i die.
gibsonguy77
I have a buddy in the same boat. The courts are a fucking brutal war-zone, man. Hang in there.
GeneralWhisker
Define homeless
Tittiemangler
Currently getting kicked out of her house, so now she has no address
GeneralWhisker
I am just a bit in disbelief that a court would give any custody to someone on drugs & homeless (presumably her fault).
NerdyBloke
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
zultch
-scrolls straight to 'bad replies'-
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
I'll be there for you!
XenaXero
I suppose he was wearing something provocative and brought it on himself? Let's not kid ourselves, the justice system fails both genders
Pawnderlust
Some women have to share custody with their rapist. The laws suck on both sides
justthewayyourmotherlikesit
How about we just agree that rape is bad in all cases.
TheDarknessOvershinesYouAll1994
Need to read this for myself.
ratpatoot1e
This is one of my favourite movies. I love futurism.
Lurch1911
Dot....
ShowALK
Via @TheBluejelly https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965
SatoriEnlightenment
Where may I acquire that jacket?
NoSkellingtons
Behind the Tron arcade console.
SatoriEnlightenment
I mean for reals, Bro.
Arbok8C
IIRC it uses something fancier than EL Tape, so it ought to be really expensive, but there is affordable light up clothing on the Internet.
Arbok8C
Most use EL Wire or Tape, but you can make your own stuff as well. I study textile engineering and pursue integrated electronics in garments
PsychopompGecko
In case anyone's wondering: mother went on welfare, state pursued the dad so they wouldn't have to pay her and to make money him themselves.
ilikebenches
...."and to make money him themselves"...what?
Lorithias
If i was him I will clearly got nuts against the people who take that decision ..
Ziggypiggyziggypiggy
Does this stuff only happen in the states?
Saustino
Yeah, in most countries it's okay to fuck a child and not pay for it.
13thDukeofWybourne
*get paid for it
SomewhatSarcastic
+1 Some people just don't understand a sarcastic joke even if it bent them over and raped them.
SomewhatSarcastic
Pretty sure rape happens everywhere lol. +1 for the username...
Ziggypiggyziggypiggy
Lol sick reference catch dude
13thDukeofWybourne
Rape does, but does the rapist receive money afterwards?
TheBlueJelly
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965
PsychopompGecko
AKA, state didn't want to pay welfare, went after him instead.
MarshmallowBomb
They need to put HER cunt photo in the article. She should be in jail & isn't because she's female (statute of limitations aside).
brevemike
When the article was published in 2014, the statute of limitations had not tolled under ARS sec 13-107. So she could have been prosecuted.
TheBlueJelly
As a note, I didn't find this myself, I am merely reposting it onto comments that ask.
Nordalin
Well, then you still found it yourself, no?
TheRealSatanshandyman
You're still a badass in my book. Thank you.
LysanderTavish
How sad that article starts,"As he sees it now," like it isn't ironclad law & rape. Imagine if a raped woman's article started like that.
anjunaspeak23
Who downvotes this? That's disgusting. Seriously?!
GurthBrooks92
Well it really isn't. This was a statutory charge; he didn't press charges and personally AS THE VICTIM doesn't feel raped
Zamm005
Where do you live? The only acceptable answer for your ignorance is "Under a rock". I know you're not dog... are you Patrick?
GurthBrooks92
Location is actually very relevant. Age of consent varies from country to country, and statutory rape is WILDLY different than violent rape
ISayFuckAllTheTime
Find any 14 year old girl who got raped by a 20 year old guy, and find the part where she's not a victim because she doesn't feel like one.
Nabashin
I would think that a minor wouldn't be allowed to choose whether to press charges or not as child sexual abuse is automatically a felony.
acertainjenesaisquoi
At 14 years old, by the law as well as in reality, you can't consent to Sex. Therefore, it's rape. End of story, thanks for playing.
IAmTheKingOfCheese
How he feels about it doesn't really matter. Children are incapable of consent. I'm sure others in his situation said the same.
GurthBrooks92
Tell that to the many European countries that have 14 year old consent age. This is circumstantial
GurthBrooks92
Furthermore, the article is just about how he doesn't think he should have to pay child support for years that he was a child...
RaisinZetaJones
That's... the point of statutory charges. That's exactly what they're there for. That minors, as people who aren't fully developed yet, may
RaisinZetaJones
take actions which they believe are consensual but aren't, and that the adult in the situation is supposed to know better. Hence *statutory*
TheFastpaws
I hate our government so much these days.
PsychopompGecko
Differentiate between state and federal. State govs didn't want to pay welfare, so pursued the father to keep from doing so.
TheBlueJelly
To be fair this was 2014. However there hasn't been cause to think shit has gotten better, so....
TheFastpaws
That is okay because I hated it then as well.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
You want better fathers? Start treating men as equals in parenting, a female rape victim would never go through this. It's sickening.
RaisinZetaJones
Let's not get hyperbolic. Female rape victims go through things like this all the time.
Wombatish
Female rape victims can be sued for joint custody in many states. It's an issue. Doesn't devalue this as also an issue.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
Both situations are f-d up
gerdygerdygerdy
I think it's considered statutory rape even if he did consent, because he was still underage and she was over 18. They really need to make a
demosthenes89
Interestingly she was 20, so I think there's at least one state where that is legal because the age difference was only 6 yrs.
gerdygerdygerdy
Law about these kinds of pregnancies.
ProfCoffee
it's better to just post the story+source rather than a relevant image with a skewed caption when it comes to hot-button issues. (1)
ProfCoffee
all this does is piss people off and start fires. issues like these are complicated and don't have clean-cut answers. (2)
ProfCoffee
just post the facts and let people think for themselves. (3)
Rendili
This guy isn't a journalist, he posted an image to a site that encourages engagement. Maybe he knew it would start dumpster-fires in the (1)
Rendili
comments, and that's why he posted it? Either way, if your only source of "facts" is imgur, you probably deserve to be enraged by this. (2)
Jimdan
Maybe worrying less about rape equality and working to end rape would be a better solution.
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Jimdan
When I say "work to end rape" I say it knowing that this is a fight that will probably never end. And anyone may wear a hijab that wants to.
graehall
The phrasing of the topic makes it feel like this situation is being exploited by OP for cheap ideological point scoring. It's fucked up.
McFluffySundae
Woman here. Raped and got pregnant. Now forced by the courts to have constant contact with my rapist who knows visitation means access to me
ErikBilling
Fuuuuuuck
AussieNotNamedBruce
Find a large legal mob willing to fight with no win, no fee. Sue the fuck out of the judge, the courts etc for emotional torture.
MacClay
The only works when the lawyers think there is a payout. The judge almost certainly has some form of immunity from lawsuits over bad rulings
AussieNotNamedBruce
Yes, yet diminished responsibility of minors is a corner stone of the legislative system. It is incompetence upon a professional level.
MacClay
Even so, it doesn't open the judge to liability. He might settle. Probably not, and the lawyers working on contingency know it.
demosthenes89
"so much for equality"
goingtochipotlewitharistotle
This happens ALL the time. So messed up.
laestrella
Wtf how is this illegal, fucking hell! What country do you live in
laestrella
Sorry meant to put how is this legal. I got a bit carried away
McFluffySundae
USA. It happens alot more than you think. Gotta get the rapist convicted which is hard to do in order for him to lose rights.
Kiore
The fact that this isn't a common enough incident to have been adequately addressed yet doesn't mean people don't care about equality.
ProfCoffee
AvsFreak
goingtochipotlewitharistotle
I get the joke, but as a feminist I don't like that it's true...why are women lumped in with children? We are strong. Protect the children!
shuffletheconversation
The tension is high...so many deleted comments
LegitTeddyBears
To clarify it was statutory rape, he was simply too young to legally give consent. I feel like that context is important for understanding
happyishturtle
Anti-feminist circlejerk behind, this is super fucked up and people should be doing more to fight for equality in the court room
therealsalvi
most people are just saying guys are getting treated unfairly compared to women in court that doesnt take away from womens rights
happyishturtle
No argument here
Rendili
Then why state "anti-feminist circlejerk behind"? This post doesn't mention feminism at all. How is talking about equality from a male (1)
Rendili
perspective "anti-feminist"? You can be pro equality from both sides of the fences. Believe it or not, being an MRA doesn't mean you (2)
Rendili
don't want to also advocate for women's rights, just that you actively do so for Men's rights more. (3/3)
Dovieandisetouvyasagain
I don't really see feminism brought up here until I started hitting comments like this. Ironic.
chesirecats
I think that's because you're dumb af. It doesn't explicitly use the word, but the original post is all about it and equal rights, you tit.
happyishturtle
Well I think that it is almost always brought up in regards to inequality in the courtroom, maybe even rightfully so but it is 1/2
happyishturtle
Important to keep in mind wrong doings like this shouldnt be a gender vs gender kind of argument it should anger both sides equally 2/3
happyishturtle
It shouldnt be turned around to be "haha feminists we have problems too" or for feminists to say "serves him right" it's fucked up both ways
Ryukaa
You´ll love this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3573927/
BushelOfLabeouf
Can you guys settle your gender double standard complaints somewhere else?
reijigin
Yeah and a majority of states allow male rapists to pursue custody and visitation. The law is shitty with rape.
BlackIC
Technically they don't disallow. No laws says "rapists can do this". They say "parents can do this" and don't make an exception.
reijigin
With this + the OP, the point is that though some states have specifically legislated exceptions for specific circumstances 1/2
reijigin
most have not and probably won't, which I would assert constitutes being shitty in managing the law around sex assault. 2/2
BlackIC
Which doesn't change the suck, but is still relevant.
reijigin
Relevant, but really all laws are really a series of defined circumstances. The exceptions are *always* supposed to be accounted for.
TheTastiestTampon
"DES officials said the intent of the rule is to ensure that the child, who had no control over the situation, is cared for." Fucking A.
Sassmachine
If only there was someway we could levy tiny amounts of money from many individuals to provide for the less fortunate instead of going after
Sassmachine
statutory rape victims so they can pay the bill.
TheTastiestTampon
Dude was a child when he was raped, God damn hypocrisy in print right there.
HD226868
Well technically he was only raped in technicality; in the report it's just 'under 15 cannot legally consent' so... eh?
topchelff
Achieving equality is done in phases. We will hit stories like these along the way. It doesn't mean we should abandon the process. 1/
topchelff
Because for every one of these you use as an argument against the equality movement, you belittle the progress we've made and 2/
topchelff
Derail us from our goal. We all want to get to a place where this doesn't happen. It's a struggle changing status quo. But we keep going.
lactatingbulge
Are you kidding? Women still need permission from their rapist to abort rape babies in some states. Rape sucks for any gender.
BaronWolfenbach
Name one lol
lactatingbulge
Arkansas
reijigin
And male rapists can pursue custody and visitation if their female victims get pregnant. We are really fucking bad at dealing with this.
GurthBrooks92
Who fucking down votes this? I'm really concerned that a lot of men that use imgur are really shitty dudes
reijigin
Primo shitty dude territory, my man.
wittybiped
I think is false but there are a handful of states that allow a rapist to sue for custody rights to a child of rape. ND, MN, WY, NM, MS, AL
wittybiped
Can we all agree that rape is fing awful and rarely treated as serious as it needs to be.
mynamejenkins
incorrect
TheScarfyDoctor
Same as divorce, especially for the kids. World's full of shitty things. Hence why it's best to try and find the good, out of necessity...
gibsonguy77
http://family.findlaw.com/paternity/fathers-rights-and-abortion.html
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demosthenes89
I knew OP was a piece of shit. Now I REALLY know.
EmmaMaySmith
Fuck you for calling abortion "murder".
McDouggal
Which states? I'm not disagreeing with the "rape sucks for any gender," mind you.
lactatingbulge
Arkansas www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/arkansas-abortion-law-that-will-let-rapists-sue-victims-husbands-second-trimester-a756106
lactatingbulge
Link was too long. But thats where i got my info.
HassanSerenity
And this is utter made up Bullshit, (In all states of America), It only exists as an un passed bill in ONE state. (sorry if thats you)
Heavymettle
It pisses me off just how many people blindly upvoted this comment.
Winterfox
You are fake news
MattHerr
Rape is rape. Racism is racism. Wrong is wrong. Too often (especially recently) we stray from the real issues; further dividing ourselves...
Corin
This is a post about often overlooked issues men face. Why is it a contest? No one's trying to undermine the fact that women have issues.
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AnAccountToPostThis
No, it's very much a men's issue. Women don't ever get slapped with their rapist's child support or ANY child support for that matter.
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BaronWolfenbach
Very good point. That really bothered me to
demosthenes89
"So much for equality" made it into a stupid victimhood contest.
GurthBrooks92
Bullshit, the "so much for equality" seems to indicate that OP is being a real piece of shit
causality
Which ones?
insegrevious
None
SarahDactyl82
I think it's mostly pretty big in Bullshitistan, but also fairly popular in the Im-lying Valley of thisShitIsntTrue-hio
lactatingbulge
Arkansas www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/arkansas-abortion-law-that-will-let-rapists-sue-victims-husbands-second-trimester-a756106
lactatingbulge
Link was too long - but that's where to find the source
causality
Only applies to second trimester abortions that are basically illegal in that shithole anyway. Terrible law, regardless.
lactatingbulge
True. Unfortunately some women don't know they are pregnant til the 2nd trimester.
causality
We really ought to be making those 50-pack pregnancy test strips freely available to people.
awholelotofnothin
In the work in Oklahoma http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/319635-oklahoma-house-advances-bill-to-require-mens-permission-for-abortions
awholelotofnothin
Don't know if they accepted it or struck it down though. I assume the issue will come up regularly in future abortion legislation.
AnAccountToPostThis
Reading is HAARD "Humphrey’s legislation would exempt abortions sought in cases of rape"
awholelotofnothin
Do you know will rape be determined? Accusation or prosecution? The majority of rapists are never prosecuted. It seems like a huge loophole.
awholelotofnothin
Seems to me, the law won't work at all. 994 rapists out of 1000 would still have a say in parental rights. Or a girl lies to abort.
awholelotofnothin
So - either all a girl has to do is SAY she was raped, or she has to PROVE she was raped, which happens only 6 out of 1000 cases of rape.
awholelotofnothin
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
awholelotofnothin
Will accusation of rape alone be enough to cause a legal abortion sans father's rights? Because I can see the abuse of that, too.
Kiore
I didn't know this and that's horrifying.
gibsonguy77
http://family.findlaw.com/paternity/fathers-rights-and-abortion.html
RaisinZetaJones
That's because it's made up. Entirely. Assuming American states, there is not a single US state that requires paternal consent (ie: consent
RaisinZetaJones
of the fetus' father). There is a bill, house bill 1441 in Oklahoma, that would do just that. It is a bill, not a law. What you are reading
RaisinZetaJones
is shrill hyperbole surrounding the abortion debate; it's the same kind of hyperbole that causes the anti-abortion "side" to describe
RaisinZetaJones
certain medical procedures as "partial birth abortion" because the woman is dilated until access to the fetus' head can be used to abort it.
lactatingbulge
Arkansas
RaisinZetaJones
Ah, there we go. There's the hyperbole/slippery slope fallacy. Arkansas has a law that allows the HUSBAND (not just the father). Therefore,
RaisinZetaJones
since spousal rape can happen, a child can be conceived through spousal rape, therefore through rape, therefore Arkansas has a law that
RaisinZetaJones
There's a second lie in your claim: And I quote you: "Women still need permission from their rapist to abort rape babies in some states"
RaisinZetaJones
So even *if* we ignore your slippery slope fallacy (why would we do that?) -- but even *if* -- Arkansas HB1032/Act 45 is not "some states",
GinoGualtieri
Reason number 69 why we need Planned Parenthood
ThatJerkYouKnow
69 you say? That's all the planned parenthood I need!
NotFarEnough
nice
TheTittyLicker
What does planned parenthood have to do with this? She probably had access to that....
Djsnek
She likely had access to planned parenthood, but didnt have the will to do it.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
You guys realize child support laws are written with the well-being of the CHILD in mind, not the parents right? I agree that rape cases
lostinukraine
Exactly. Everyone talks as if he has to pay a woman but what about the innocent child?
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
should be handled differently, but child support is not about "punishing" you, it's about making sure the kid's taken care of.
SkyModeYT
The child wasn't his, not really. It's like a rape baby. You didn't want it.
d0o0o0d
By giving custody to a rapist? Fuck that. Kid gets adopted, woman gets assessed child support as if she was a man. That's fair.
lollerllama
Both sexes have non-equal issues. We still have a lot of work to do! But we are getting there.
DarkShroud
Not with bullshit like lifetime alimony. This is why a lot of guys are refusing to get married. Even then there are common law marriage laws
Squalimous
In my country the person who earns more pays the person who earns less after separation. Child support is also based on income.
legitchrispratt
I'd argue we are not getting anywhere, frankly. I'd say the cultural divide between men and women is getting larger, not smaller.
Winterfox
the cultural divide is not what matters it is the divide in the legal system
SheaBriar
The only legal divides I know of are in favor of women, like child support, child custody -- pretty much everything to do with divorce.
RdizzyC
Sexual assault cases favor men more. As whether a man is raped or a woman is raped, the assaulter is almost always a man.
SheaBriar
That's not what "favor" means. Favor is a positive preference.
lollerllama
Really? Hrm, I'd have to see data.
goingtogoeatworms
It just feels that way because people are talking about it more. It's like race relations. They've gotten better, but the dialogue hasn't.
legitchrispratt
I just think the pendulum is going back and forth. In my experience women's behavior shows they don't want equality, just more privilege.
legitchrispratt
While men often verbally admit they don't want equality. I think more people genuinely believe in equality for races than gender.
sweeneysgirl
Women. Want. Equality. You're small-mindedness and inability to think of people as individuals is what's wrong with the world.
legitchrispratt
Many women want equality. Women at large seem not to. It seems to me that you're making an equally generalized claim about women.
donglover33
Name a legal right men have and women don't. Most other issues have an analogous match for the other gender. Women have more legal rights.
humaneffigy
The extra 25 cent act of 1972, for starters.
lollerllama
Sure, but from what I know it isnt that much more.If we only want to measure this by quantity. Didnt say things were completely equal either
jackwithers9000
The ability to go shirtless in public ????
FlamingIdiot
Umm, that is legal in far more places than you think in the U.S.
ISayFuckAllTheTime
"There are like six places I can't go outside shirtless. That's exactly as bad as having to pay to have your children taken away."
slightlyincontinent
Which, of course, is absolutely comparable to paying child support, getting custody etc.
popejubal
Women pay child support when men get custody. And men get custody equal % to women when it goes to court. Men just don't ask for custody.
slightlyincontinent
That's not true
rredd
"name a legal right men have and women don't", not "name a legal right men have that women don't on the same level as paying child support"
GurthBrooks92
This is a cop-out argument for someone too lazy to tackle more complex issues. Inequality exists.
donglover33
Yes, inequality exists. So what? How can we stop hot women or talented people from getting advantages? People aren'tequal the LAW should be
donglover33
Also, you didn't even bother to make an argument. Who is lazy?
DrHouseSynch
When it comes to rape it's just as fucked up the other way. Like getting permission from the rapist for an abortion.
DrHouseSynch
Equality is not a contest. If you want something you can achieve it without making snide posts on imgur putting down the other side.
Winterfox
in what state do you need to get permission for an abortion?
Vaanhalen
Probably won't get an answer. It might be a theoretical, like if it was a rape that was never prosecuted or disclosed
goingtogoeatworms
There was a bill passed in Arkansas that husband or guardian could sue a woman for getting an abortion "even in cases of rape..."
goingtogoeatworms
Which made headlines & confused ppl that the rapist could sue b/c of the abortion. There are 7 states where rapists have custody rights tho
chiefs86
AFAIK, none. It was a stupid bill that was suggested in Oklahoma, and because dumb people are gullible, they assume it's national law.
ZombieBorscht
Divorce and custody laws have pretty much always unfairly favored women, same is true with child support.
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ZombieBorscht
a) It's not a contest, fuck off, and b) there are countless unknown male rape victims because assholes like you downplay their experiences
tooomanysteves
Well I agree with that, but the title of the image says "so much for equality", literally making it a contest.
PoisonInJest
Is that not what the rioting and so on is for? You mean I wrecked this shop and burned aomeomes lively hood just because I'm am ass?
loltard
Because patriarchy, right?
MukieK
Some dads don't want the resonsiblity of children. You can dodge child support you can dodge taking care of kids. Some moms to lately
VirtualChessLessons
Not to brush off the trauma of abortion, but women can seemingly choose the level of responsibility they want regardless of the dad's wish.
MukieK
True, It's any thing goes sometimes. some women look at their children as cash cows when they would have been better off with dad
SlasherQuan
To school but child support still charges me same as they did 10 years ago despite me now making 18k a year.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Fun story, actually: men used to get full custody. It started swinging the other way in the 1830s.
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CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Uh huh. So not "always" and an obvious overswing on a corrective course. So... more encouraging because that indicates easily fixable.
sirpnie
Easily is a bit of a lax term for something of this scale.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Efforts to overturn the bias of the Tender Years Doctrine didn't really start until the '70s. Maybe not "easily," but progress is being made
ellisDtripp25
Yeah she could be a crack whore and you would still have to battle for your children
MrTestCat
Quick while this shite happens everyone freak out about the unfair wage gap
mizmoose
Child support is not for the woman. It's to support the child.
Fistytheclown
But there is no oversight to enforce that the money is actually spent on the children. Lots of worthless moms out there.
PsychopompGecko
While untrue, wouldn't apply here. Woman applied for welfare. State said "we aren't paying, we'll make the father pay instead."
NuttierThanAJarOfGoobers
Around here if you aren't married you don't have to pay for shit. You can abandon the child for a year and lose all your right to it
TinySupreme
But their equal rights!
Ponca
The is a justice that is trying to change people views on this subject.
kriositivity
Maybe in the US in Canada I was raped and I'm forced to see my attacker every week to allow him visitation.
kriositivity
Also if you torture and slaughter 100 people you only get 25 years in prison and you get paid.
kriositivity
Then you can change your name and volunteer and elementary schools. True story. (Klara Homolka and Robert Pickton)
popejubal
That's not actually accurate, but if it makes you feel better, I guess you're going to continue to believe it...
craziicrazii
"Always"
ZombieBorscht
"Pretty much"
ZandaTheBigBluePanda
Covering your bases, nice.
BillogUncle
"Women"
raggedyanneonacid
"Child"
PoisonInJest
"Laws"
SnivellusSnape
Yes. But the reason they came in was to protect women and children who were left high and dry, right?
therealsalvi
so now we leave men high and dry is that okay?
SnivellusSnape
No of course not. But the pendulum swings.
therealsalvi
instead of watching it go back and forth lets just stop it, I like to think we're all Americans first over gender or race
SnivellusSnape
I think you'll find most people arent Americans... i certainly am not.
Jillymaree76
No, the laws favor *the child*
sumothername
I upvoted you. You're right.
therealsalvi
so a women is more capable of raising a child then a man?
emsjunkie
That is the perception. It's an old way of thinking.
emsjunkie
Ya that's a big lie. The laws favor the pockets of judges,attorneys and the state.
thecolonels
And that is a side effect of career and independence in life favouring men.
ObnoxiousComma
Lol, fuck off with your ignorant "male privelege" bullshit. No need to blame us for your failures and incompetence in life.
thecolonels
I have a massive dick
ObnoxiousComma
That's even more sad that you were brainwashed to think that men have some sort of privelege
thecolonels
Empirical data.
therealsalvi
so its okay to do it to mean but not women thats not equality
therealsalvi
men*
thecolonels
No its just the amount of men blaming women is stupid. The judges are mostly men. The police dismissing male victims of rape are mostly men.
StopReposting
Fuck you bitch
thecolonels
Its true. Most child custody cases dont even see court, the men spent no time with children and focused on career you pussy.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
This has nothing to fucking do with that, though. The laws allowing to seek child support from rape victims go both ways.
PsychopompGecko
In this case, it's because the mother tried to go on public assistance. The state didn't want to pay, so they went after the father.
PsychopompGecko
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
The unfairness in the stats mostly (not entirely) disappears if you adjust for men not actually fighting for or wanting custody.
PsychopompGecko
Once adjusted, they get custody more often than they want.
Vertisce
This has nothing to do with that really. The mother never asked for the man to pay. This is the state being cheap.
theyar
Actually child support laws always favor the child, even if that means extorting money from a victim of sexual assault.
awkwardturtlesmakeweirdbabies
But raped women can abort, raped men don't have that option.
theyar
You seem to have missed what I said. Family law always favors the child, regardless of how unfair it may be to adults.
kalethan
Well then, they should not. The victim had no more say in the situation than the child did. Why punish one to help the other?
theyar
Because family law always favors the child, which is seen as more important than being unfair to adults. It has a moral logic to it.
SlasherQuan
What she did despite evidence they cared what she supposedly was doing. So I drove until I got laid off bc of the recession. Tried to return
Dramacian
All done because of the domination principle.
LonelyBrannigan
What's that?
uzerok
Simply put a hypothesis that reduces pretty much all problems of the world to be originally caused by males. In this case women get custody
uzerok
and childcare because the cultural image of women having to take care of children is enforced primarily by men to keep women in their place.
BlackOpalGalaxy
A place they no longer want, but will happily retain what perks existed for being in that place.
RaisinZetaJones
Misnamed "patriarchal dominance theory". It says that the man is the aggressor in any situation by virtue of being the man. So-called "pri-
SlasherQuan
> saw this all the time on cops. Once a guy was being beaten on the beach by wife. When cops showed only random witness saved him from going
RaisinZetaJones
mary aggressor laws", for example. You'd think primary aggressor is good, right? It means arresting whoever threw the first punch, right? No
RaisinZetaJones
it quite literally means the primary aggressor is always the man, by virtue of being the man. You'll notice they're very careful about how
SlasherQuan
Our debt. She was abusive to me and our child but because we weren't married automatically got custody when he was born and DHS did care
Dragongirl7256
Why the downvotes? This is 100% True
IgniaEternale
Men who rape-impregnate women can still get full custody rights to the child. And they're trying to backpedal on abortion again.
SlasherQuan
Foreclosed on three times untill all my life savings was gone. I dropped out of school got a truck driving job to save my home and pay off2
SlasherQuan
I used to be a truck driver and made 70k a year. I had taken that job because my ex destroyed our finances and caused our home to be 1
SuspiciousCactus
Female privilege is real.
craziicrazii
Women used to kill themselves/go crazy because if they left their husband they would do so penniless and childless.
therealsalvi
makes it okay because things we're different 100s years ago that like saying men shouldnt be able to vote because women couldn't in 1920
RdizzyC
Noone said it makes it "ok", they said the same thing used to happen to women, has nothing to do with women, government caused this problem.
RdizzyC
This happens on quite alot of issues, government ignores a problem until boiling point, then go overboard to correct.
craziicrazii
Nailed it.
ThisOneTimeInZelda
Now men do the same thing.
craziicrazii
The U.S. Didn't change this until late 1800s-early 1900s. Then went in the complete opposite direction instead of down the middle.
craziicrazii
Favoring only one sucks for both parents, regardless if they are mother or father.
TheUpdootist
But what is down the middle exactly? Being too lax is potentially a slippery slope.
Frio937
Slippery slope is a falacy. An illogical idea
GansoEstaMuerto
Fuck the child support enforcement agency. You do everything right, and they still make it a pain in the ass because they want their 2%
PsychopompGecko
That's literally it. The woman requested public assistance. The state didn't want to pay it, went after the guy.
ZetraNexus
When my parents got divorced, my Dad didn't want to pay child support. My Mom didn't want to receive child support either. He still has 1/?
ZetraNexus
To pay because the state wants their money. My mom pays him back what she gets, but he still loses money because of the "administrative fee"
G10rgos7
That's...... retarded though, if someone states in court that they don't want child support, then the other person should not pay, end of.
GansoEstaMuerto
Exactly. It's such a fucked system
HopScotchMcGoggins
What state?
ZetraNexus
Ohio
RUreallythemessiah
Pretty much always ? Laws were changed in the 70's because they favoured men and made it hard for women to leave bad relationships
therealsalvi
so its okay to do the same thing to men?
RUreallythemessiah
The law isn't perfect, I'm just saying it hasn't always favoured women, and it's much more fair than it used to be
therealsalvi
haha ya fair i have personally experienced the long dick of the system theres nothing fair about it
RUreallythemessiah
However what this guy experienced is without a doubt unfair. She should be in prison.
BlissfullyIgnorant
Honest question, as I lack experience in this, which state has the most 'fair' divorce laws?
councilofmikes
You sound like a good person to marry
Fistytheclown
As long as no-fault divorce laws exist there are no "fair" divorce laws.
krapmyself
It's because society views women as the lesser sex incapable of self reliance.
shuffletheconversation
Why we need feminism.
TobiOfTheAkatsuki
Why we need actual gender equality*
RaisinZetaJones
You realize feminism is... what created this situation, right? You do realize things like the tender years doctrine is what created this,
ollypops
feminism didn't create the situation, a patriarchal society that deems women unfit for the workplace and only suitable for child rearing did
RaisinZetaJones
right? Feminism is responsible for an incredibly large chunk -- not all, but a good amount -- of contemporary sexism. Suggesting we need
RaisinZetaJones
more of what caused the problem in the first place is a bit disingenuous.
shuffletheconversation
I thought feminism was about making women and men equal. Yeah the tender years doctrine is very antiquated fathers are just as important
Violivios
Women and men aren't equal and never will be. You can give them equal opportunity, but they will never be equal. Biology says 'no'.
shuffletheconversation
In the raising of a young child. Seems to me that doctrine isn't feminist at all its mysandrist.
RaisinZetaJones
Well, one... no. It's not about making women and men equal -- it's about making women equal to men in areas where they aren't, as defined
SirBrendan
This isn't true, but Imgur format is extremely poor for discussing why it's true. (1)
SirBrendan
(2 Regarding divorce) Lower income results in higher divorce settlement. There is no substantiated divorce inequality that I know of.
Arkanrais
every time I've seen a couple split when they have kids, the mother always gets far more leeway with the kids. I've seen them practically 1/
Arkanrais
kidnap their children with no repercussions (men would be charged to the nth degree for the same.) I've known mates paying close to 2/
Arkanrais
a 4 digit amount of money in child support for a single child, leaving them with $300 a week in the hand for a 60 hour week. I've never 3/
Arkanrais
seen any women have to provide proof of their ex-partners income for child support. what they claim gets taken at face value, leaving 4/
endrsgm
your entire post fails to mention any substantiated facts. therefore it is ALL annecdotal yet thats how you denegrated irishskillet
SirBrendan
I cited CDC, ASU, University of Warwick alongside other such as divorce stats. That is not anecdotal (which is also not denigrating).
SirBrendan
(2) Anecdotal is not offensive but unscientific. An isolated indecent, particularly personal, does not reflect a larger social truth
SirBrendan
*necessarily reflect
IrishSkillet
You sir...are a fucking idiot. (From a great Dad who the system tried to fuck)
SirBrendan
Yes, I understand that you, in your view in your situation, felt maligned. Story of the entire justice system. But the numbers are the truth
endrsgm
since imgur is a worldwide community YOu are using what may be the facts from your country and assuming they are the same facts elsewhere
SirBrendan
I'm Canadian using both American and British data in concession of their larger representation on this website alongside my own nation's.
XaiaX
this is from the "Barack Obama was elected president therefore there is no racism" school of argument.
SirBrendan
(2) So while you may have some surely horrifying anecdote of oppression, it is inconsistent with the larger and quantifiable evidence.
VirtualChessLessons
Source(s)?
SirBrendan
(5) Only that, on a truthful and aggregated level the gender bias results from differences in gender roles, rather than any entrenched bias.
SirBrendan
(4) This isn't to say for a moment that ALL fathers are bad, nor that some fathers don't have difficulty with custody.
SirBrendan
(3) Which reflects a systemic issue for fathers to not care as much as mothers. There are other issues (multivariate) I can support as well.
SirBrendan
but if you want cliff notes, of fathers with full visitation the dominant demographic (27%) choose to not see their children at all
SirBrendan
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_026.pdf which is from a larger study, https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/f.htm
SirBrendan
(2)There is a gender gap in custody because of voluntary concession. Over 95% of custody cases do not go to trial.
SirBrendan
(3) Of fathers who have full visitation rights, they average a visitation once every 3 months.
SirBrendan
(4) There are entrenched cultural attitudes that dominate a father's role and makes them less likely (on aggregate) to want the custody.
SirBrendan
So presenting that as a gender bias within our legal institutions is an outright lie. The child comes first, not pseudo-equity.
VirtualChessLessons
While I haven't read studies on the issue, just because many of these cases are settled outside of trial doesn't prove that there isn't (1)
VirtualChessLessons
bias in the system. The more bias the system is against guys, I'd say the more likely they'd do whatever they could to avoid trial. (2)
SirBrendan
That is absolutely fair and reasonable. And to that, we simply rely on due process and discretion as current merit is derived from (1)
SirBrendan
(4) But the issue I take with the assumption that both parties are probabilistically equally likely to be worthy is out of touch
SirBrendan
(5) with all other data regarding paternal involvement. Which means artificially imposing equity could heavily compromise the children.
SirBrendan
(3) There may be a gender bias for the 5% contestation, as there's no way to study that.
SirBrendan
(2) "The Best Interest of the Child". Quite simply there is no couched gender bias, which is to say no institutionalised reason
SirBrendan
(6) I recognise that isn't a palatable argument, and certainly offensive to good fathers, but jurisprudence is the best we've got.
allthenamesaregone
Not that this shit doesn't happen, but can we get some case details or are you just posting inflammatory shit on a random pic?
NotAmused1001
It's almost like you could Google the details and find it yourself. Right?
allthenamesaregone
If I tried to verify everything posted in usersub I'd never do anything else. If you post something, the burden of proof is on YOU.
NotAmused1001
You could either 1) verify it or 2) ignore it. You're the one that wants the truth, so google it or move the fuck on.
1deejay
Burden of proof.
NotAmused1001
It's no one's responsibility, once your an adult, to do the work for you.
GurthBrooks92
He's just posting inflammatory shit. The article tells a much different story than OP's take the red pill meme
thorkild91
Noootttt really. A kid unable to consent to sex with an older woman is charged with child support. State says it's fair game.
thorkild91
That becomes fair how. That's not much better than denying a woman abortion rights when she's raped.
MacClay
"He said he panicked, ignored the legal documents and never got the required paternity test. The state eventually tracked him down."
MacClay
He also wants to be involved in his daughter's life, but didn't seem to be going for any custody which would also eliminate child support.
TheUpdootist
Not only that, but it would be one thing if this has happened 10,000 times. But it has probably happened a handful of times. There are 1
TheUpdootist
Always outliers. It fuckin sucks when certain individuals get fucked over, but that doesn't necessarily mean the whole system should go away
skelitor120
I'm pretty sure the whole system should go away.
TheUpdootist
And what should be put in it's place?
skelitor120
One that rules on a case-by-case basis and not on assumptions biased in gender?
Lv30Wizard
I'm pretty sure rape accusations on guys are like thousands of times worse than on women, and that doesn't even count the ppl that speak out
ZombieBorscht
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
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LieutenantAmp
then the child had a normal 9-month gestation period, he would essentially be 15 and 9 months. Add the six years for the child's age (2/?)
LieutenantAmp
and he'd be 21 and 9 months. But for the story to be true, he'd have to be 22 by that time in order to be 24 by the time the article (3/4)
LieutenantAmp
written. Am I missing something? (4/4)
HeroThatWasNeeded
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Verelse
So he was 18 when he had sex?
TooMuchWorkNotNuffFun
Wow what a bunch of friggin bullshit. THAT right there pisses me off.
Iwanttostayinbed
Hurr good job America
CunningLingu1st
This is "off the charts ridiculous"
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Thanks for sauce, i knew this happened in California, i thought that was this case. It's outrageous is hastened multiple times.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Happened, even
bangbangshrimp
.
Cptmike
theirownreward
That's fucked. The fact that he was clearly unable to legally consent should be adequate to release him from this.
yoginioftruth
This is genuinely fucked up
Azerai
Welcome to earth
TheDivineUsersub
Will Smith? Is that you?
nursesalt
http://imgur.com/kl9gqaR
tittiemcjiggleboots
It's really not... statutory rape is not forcible rape. He chose to have sex albeit he was just 14. But a 14yo still has consequences
choboy456
Then neither is date rape
tittiemcjiggleboots
That's a really stupid fucking comparison.
chucknrtn
Fuck that, no vote, no consent.
GrayWhiteWolf
Wtf is wrong with you