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Walmartstallwithnolock
H.E. DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS IT IS!
kc2syk
UCC is a different breed, certainly.
Ardeimos
I live in Topeka where Westboro is and honestly it just makes me laugh when they do their little walks and signs. That much hate is toxic.
gingerirl
"IT IS ONLY THOSE WHO DO NOTHING WHO MAKE NO MISTAKES"on their sign on Google maps
KWJester49
I got really confused and thought they were being dicks with the resolution one, then remembered most people don’t keep them.
Oddnnhairy
DinoTherapy411
AMEN!
Goosexi
His noodly appendage will touch us all. RAMEN
pgdangerfield2000
Soooo... it’s a church for political activism.
OldMillenial
Churches are there to be a moral guide for people. Thats their one job.
pgdangerfield2000
What’s your point?
OldMillenial
The Church steeple
pgdangerfield2000
OverlyUnprotective
I bet that Friday night Line Dancing Party was LIT!
Zaaaaaaaaahn
UCC is the best. I was baptized in one in Anoka, MN & still attended services. Their whole message is to be kind, accepting and love.
Zaaaaaaaaahn
The one I attend has weekly “spiritual meetings” on Wednesday’s where they bring in different speakers. Sometimes a rabbi, a monk,
Zaaaaaaaaahn
A recovering addict. People who have stories of their faith or beliefs. I am not religious, but I do respect them.
Etereo
*not according to the holy text that gives value to us over other religions
BitchButcher
"Don't bother god with praying on his day off"
DownvoteAllYouWantImstillRight
I approve this.
firehawkcultist
Raised in a christian family and I never understood how so many of the people at my church could claim to be 'good christians' yet support
firehawkcultist
politicians who promoted the anti-thesis of Christianity (loving everyone, helping those in need, etc) while scorning the few who did.
NervAssEva
millenniumf
My dad, a preacher: "They call their minister 'pastor' so their opinions don't count."
TmlpGfdp
Churhces sometime have so different point of view on so many subject that one wonder what's the point of them at all ...
Drenathar
If only there were a unified global church... hmmmm...
OldMillenial
lol, then they ignore the leader
TmlpGfdp
Yep this exist too, doesn't mean it's not bullshit either.
Drenathar
Citation needed.
BreakablePotato
It's sad that the worst people of any group are often the most visible. They may not represent, but they become the public face.
JKGoose
...yet homosexuality is still a sin. (According to the Bible)
JKGoose
Just like adultery, murder, et.al..
crateo
No. There are 10 commandments plus the new one Jesus brought in. None of them refer to homosexuality.
Z3roCo0l
Oh look, Christian s being legit Christians. That's rare!
alecdshope
As with Muslims, it's the bad ones that get the attention.
Taldur08
Some of those are legit, some of those are not. Can you guess which is which?
jargonmon
I drive past this almost daily. I can assure you not one of these appear out of the norm. I'll see what's up today if you want.
Echo6256
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itsthesneak
TerribleBaconMistake
Watch it be an off day today and the sign says "bake sale tomorrow".
jargonmon
Worse... they took it down. /a/GWlZJSw
jargonmon
/a/GWlZJSw THE SIGN IS GONE!
tweakbz
Yes, we want.
AwesomeTeddybear
I want one too!
EdgeLordMcFluffikins
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ExiledKhaine
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Taldur08
Not what I meant
unaskedtabitha
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DiogenesPendergast
Ok let's just ignore 1500 yrs of Christianity where it conquered the world with steel and fire
DukeDarkwood
We're not ignoring it. The good ones alive today just don't deserve to be punished for the misdeeds of people who lived and died long ago.
wiltsjunk
Who is ignoring it
jargonmon
Not rare actually. But they are not the ones getting attention for the good they do in the community/world stage. It's the asshats do.
dbba
While not rare, it's certainly not the norm. Look at how Christians vote, and how a country with mostly Christians has such poverty and hate
rd77Runner
Sad but true. Same is true with all other religions.
cheeseguy3412
The world is a stage, and those that should speak least, typically speak loudest.
Maaatth
Meh, cherry picking...
tailwagsdog
It's not rare, but those living Christlike don't make it to front page as often as they should
JustinSane6
Not so legit. Nobody was killed nor burned at the stake. This is Christians trying to be on the their best behaviour. If god loves atheists>
JustinSane6
We must be doing something right. Maybe god in all his wisdom knows he doesn't exist.
Lambdafish1
If God had any common sense, he would know exactly why people don't believe he exists, he doesn't exactly make it obvious. Ignorance =/= sin
NinjaHoff
Bruh, responding to it just gives it what it wants
Mopey
But if he just up and proved he exists then how would he know you truly believe in him? You gotta have some GODAMN FAITH, ARTHUR!
pandro
God is not the personal property of christian religions, which let's face it, in some ways are just businesses, lol. they "say" that you 1/
pandro
"have" to believe, that you can't enter heaven, whatever. but those words contradict the embodiment of Jesus and his love for all of us. 2/
Mastershake5
Is this Wantagh, NY? That’s my hometown? I think I know that Church lol
fwl1982
It is. Right near the 5&10.
Shroomslapz
It is I think. Looked it up because I was like “bet this church ain’t in the south” hahaha
Goosexi
Hello fellow Long islander. I however think Bethpage is better ?
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Goosexi
Good because I live in Medford ???
skipweasel
Are they Christians if they're hateful?
Argus204
No fruit of the Spirit means He never knew them
SugarSmack
Don't get the DV, this refers to a bible verse in Rev. explaining not all who claim to know God are known by Him. Even amongst those who 1/2
SugarSmack
2/2 pray in his name etc. It says that many will come before God expecting praise & He'll basically say, We don't know each other. So...bye
MrXistentialCrisis
“Man know not the heart of another” though, you should be able to discern Christians from non Christians based on their fruit. Should..
EvilKrikkit
It's a "no true scotsman" fallacy.
OldMillenial
"no true scotsman" only applies when the group has members by default, rather than needing to agree to certain rules to join or whatnot.
OldMillenial
As in, you are a scotsman regardless of how much you tip or drink, or even your accent. However, you cant be Christian if you are atheist.
rossdonohue
Not if there is an established membership criteria. Jesus tells us to have anger/hate our hearts is to commit murder. It is not a fallacy 1/
rossdonohue
To call someone out for violating the principles that make us Christian. 2/2
EvilKrikkit
But who is right? Westboro says that if you don't hate gays, you aren't Christian.
LiamRobertsonjr
Well since its Christ-ian I would have to go with Jesus Christs.
hardytardigrade
Considering there's no objective means to establish those principles which makes sense, that's hard to say.
NotHerrVonClaussen
Nope. Christianity is the everyman's religion that amounts to "dont be a dick"
AnimeSourcerer
Unless you count the Old Testament.
crateo
Counting the old testament is soooooo BC
hardytardigrade
That's not exclusive to Christianity, nor is it how Christianity is practiced in many cases. Nor is that all there is to it.
Taldur08
This is quite a bit more than "just don't do the bad"
PerfectManhattanUp
Yeah, you've got to mix in a little human sacrifice to make the magic work!
Taldur08
Human sacrifice?
PerfectManhattanUp
I seem to remember something about a guy getting killed to sacrifice himself to absolve others of their sins. I'm a little rusty though.
Cthulhuchooseyou
Don't do the bad, do the good.
Taldur08
More than that " Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect"
Cthulhuchooseyou
You can try to emulate perfection, but nothing existing on this planet is perfect.
Cadpig
As I recall, Christians and Catholics were a pretty hateful bunch, what with the burning at the stake, crusades, and what not
GREATEASYPIES
Just because we're called to love doesn't mean we don't fail. Christians are people and the church is a body of people.
Drenathar
Catholics are Christians. And in fairness, human beings throughout history are a pretty hateful bunch, regardless of religion.
Malakh77
Don't forget the proper term...inquisition....
89PercentSureYoureFibbing
There’s some REALLY interesting papers out there talking about the difference pre/post reformation Christianity.
davisgraves
"papers" more like revised confessions of faith.
rmsrmsrms38
*Laughs in Moaist and Stalinist Communism*
hardytardigrade
*whatabouts in whataboutism
nullbr
As europe didn't promote genocide yes? Africa, India, Americas, etc ...
MrStarkLord
It's like they're all... people!
JustinSane6
Yup, most violent religion in history. But that was the past & nobody gets blamed for past mistakes, right? Well, everyone but religion.
Drenathar
Citation needed.
davisgraves
No religion has the depravity of man market cornered.
Taldur08
Crusades were a reaction to Muslims, just FYI.
OldMillenial
Lets be real, Crusades were territory wars under the guise of religious zeal to unite different countries.
billtopia
So was the inquisition. Neither are justified.
Taldur08
Right, cause when we ask the Islamic work to just Not, they are super cooperative...
crateo
No. Inquisition was a reaction to Christian sects. They were not allow to prosecute other religion followers.
KatieIsALady
They really weren't. The holy land they "invaded" they had actually been living on for centuries. Crusades were about conquest.
tlamstrike
There were other Crusades against pagan groups in northern Europe and other Christians in France.
tlamstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_">Crusades">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
codyshredd
As a Christian, this is what we need to say and preach. Love and equality for everyone.
bsartist5000
Legit question. Can you find scripture supporting same sex marriage ?
MadeYouLookAgain
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
s1yb00ts
Christian here. Scripture is clear homosexuality is sin in Gods eyes. However, we as Christians are called to judge ONLY those in 1/
s1yb00ts
The church who also claim to be Christians. We should be simply loving everyone else regardless of their way of life.
codyshredd
Yes exactly. The Bible tells us to hold other Christians accountable. But also be the lantern in a dark world.
s1yb00ts
I agree. That’s why I don’t appreciate the billboards personally. Compromising your faith is not the same as loving all walks of life.
drcurlyfat
As an atheist, this is the kind of Christianity I was raised in, and still have a lot of love and respect for. :)
berlinson
Can someone explain "Poverty is a sin, being poor isn't" to me?
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wiltsjunk
Poverty is a sin by society. But treating poor people as if they are committing a sin is wrong, we should be helping them.
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
How is poverty a sin?
tailwagsdog
Having a poverty/victim mentality is a sin, having no money just sucks
TheSecretLifeOfMsSnitty
They mean it’s a sin that some people have so much wealth yet they let others around them suffer. There’s enough for everyone in the ?
applesforjuice
Taking care of the poor is one of jesus's main teachings
CheeseBelongsInTheKitten
The existence of poverty is a sin, being in poverty isn't. I think that's what it means.
tailwagsdog
correct
texasredheadguy
What farticusprime said, I think the idea of poverty is a sin because in regards to the bible, people who can help, should, yet they don't
Starcatcher1986
Based on the context of the other signs, they must mean that allowing others to live in poverty is sinful.
Pandemic2020
Those that inflict poverty upon the disadvantaged because they can (food deserts where the quick call loans and liquor stores far 1/2
Pandemic2020
outnumber grocery stores, low wages, minimal resources, etc) are the sinners. *quick cash loans @ ultra high interest
nxrble
Also I say your username every time I order :)
asm80dfa8sdfj
"Sir that's great and all but this is McDonalds"
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
That's because you are a person of keen intellect, superb taste, and high moral fiber.
ILaughAndCryEveryDayFromU
Where do you live?
roseblud
I looked it up, says poverty is a mindset of being dependent in all aspects of life for multiple generations and poor is an economic state.
roseblud
Not sure if that rly makes sense though because if ur poor usually ur dependent... mindset vs economic state makes sense to me though.
CodeWarrior
Obviously God helps those who help themselves. if you are poor, your are obviously doing something wrong, right? I also seem to recall 1/?
CodeWarrior
some asshole senator or something suggesting that people who get sick are not leading righteous lives and these bad people are costing 2/?
CodeWarrior
us money due to the ACA. We are all paying for their sinner lifestyle, essentially. I'll see if I can find the bastard. 3/3
CodeWarrior
OK, I found it and mis-remembered it. He suggests that people who are healthy are that way because they made the decision to do things 1/2
CodeWarrior
by having health insurance. Because having insurance depends only on your decision to have it not NOT on how expensive it is. Rep Mo Brooks
nxrble
There’s a Venn diagram here of sins-of-the-father types and just-work-harder peeps who think/act/say being poor is on you
Gamecore
Poverty is a mindset in which you don't think you have enough where you can be poor and content. If God is abundance denial of that is a sin
SugarSmack
It's a sin as in, it's a shame. As in, "It's a sin to let good food go to waste." That's how I took it anyway.
mjtheking
Basically if you have the resources and ability to help someone and you do not knowing full well the consequences you are unethical and evil
dru2
Means: We often look down on others who are poor, like we are better than them. And we allow poverty and homelessness in our countries. 1/
dru2
Instead of taking care of each other. Providing them a place to live and anything they need. Many homeless and poor need mental treatment.
dru2
But they have NO healthcare. In Norway Sweden Finland, even addicts get a place to live and a sizable monthly income. Safety net.
Yoggzaron
http://latoniawalker.com/2016/05/01/poor-vs-poverty-difference-two/
Hadespuppy
Look up "prosperity gospel" and what a stranglehold it has on the US. Then be sad, and/or angry
farticusprime
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
polarbearbaby
Joel Osteen is a “shitty used car” salesman. Right up there with the Bakkers from the 80’s.
EdwardStarsmith
Coworker believes "Prosperity Gospel". Burned his house down twice for insurance. Can't get insurance now. insane debt. Working on his 1/?
EdwardStarsmith
2nd bankruptcy. He seriously believes if he sees it, and wants it, he should have it. He's the guy everyone avoids talking with. 2/2
OldMillenial
Theres literally an entire commandment warning against that, and one of the seven deadly sins.
rossdonohue
Por que no los dos?
fitlex
The Australian prime minister is one of these happy clappers. Explains everything about his behaviour
TheSecretLifeOfMsSnitty
I despise that stuff. It’s the complete opposite of how Jesus was. They’re just greedy & using religion to justify conning others.
chri5p
John Oliver had an AWESOME couple of episodes about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
ObscureStarWarsReference
OMG this is so good. I love the website too: http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com/
JanoahDavis42688
I remembered why I left religion. It’s not for me but if it’s for others that’s fine. I wish people would be kind without seeking a reward
OldMillenial
You can be religious without expecting a reward, im pretty sure thats being pious.
JanoahDavis42688
I’m sure you can but in my experience; for every pious person there’s many who aren’t but put on a show so you think that they are.
JanoahDavis42688
One comment I heard growing up that I didn’t agree with: “I’m helping you so God will bless me. God will repay me.” Why not just be kind?
davisgraves
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe to let poverty be a thing is a sin?
briham86
That’s how I read it.
TheSecretLifeOfMsSnitty
That’s exactly what it means. There are plenty with excessive amounts of wealth who do nothing to help those with nothing. That’s the sin.
hiimhar
Yeah I think it’s like a sin on society
cainofdreaming
*by society
sonicthehedgefundhog
Yeah I didn't quite understand either. Maybe living a lifestyle that you can't support without regard to consequences?
TheSecretLifeOfMsSnitty
No, it means we, as a society have plenty but some horde wealth while allowing others to suffer dreadfully. Imho, that’s not ok.
CorneliusCornwall
That sounds biblical.
AgentOblivion676
Cuz den u caint donat tah da callakshun playt. Mor biskits an mustERD plez
farticusprime
Society is sinning, not the poor. Society needs to take care care of the poor but they don’t hence it’s a sin.
ILaughAndCryEveryDayFromU
Well put sir
Sentallating
Quick! Tell Joel! He doesn't know!
TheyCallmeChang
If we all did, would that not be communism?
spiffylookingnerfherder
Taken to an insane extreme, yes.
RedClaws23
Jesus was in many ways a Marxist. He preached that everyone is born equal, that there should be no rich and poor, that food and medicine sho
RedClaws23
uld be freely given to all who need it, that those who have wealth have the moral burden to redistribute it, that the poor need to be given
RedClaws23
the chance to flourish, that one should not be preferential to ones own family over the needs of others, etc, etc
OldMillenial
You know many societies thrive off of small-scale communism, right?
Taldur08
It's that whole macro level that's a problem
OldMillenial
Not much works well if its only authoratarian governments doing it.
Whatsizname
"pull yourself up by your bootstraps" it's your fault you are poor. That kind of thing.
wiltsjunk
It literally says the opposite of what you wrote.
cadesama
You are not good at context.
KatieIsALady
It's kinda saying the opposite? "Systemic poverty is the cultural sin. The poor are not at fault for this. Take care of the poor."
kissmine2000
I think this comment was intended as sarcasm
Whatsizname
FlyingGiantElk
The family went to Bethlehem for a census and planned badly, they weren’t refugees, I’ve read. Message on point, though.
dbba
You might want to read some more, they certainly were refugees in Egypt
HarambeDidntDieInVain
After Jesus was born, King Herod wanted to kill them. So the holy family fled to Egypt.
TacoCat9
The sign/verses reference the flight to Egypt, not being without shelter in Bethlehem.
asparaguy
Later they had to flee violence to Egypt.
tlamstrike
Which was something the Romans never made anyone do BTW.
SneakyEmu2
https://youtu.be/luH581hVdXw yes they did
tlamstrike
No they didn't: https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/census.htm
SneakyEmu2
Yeah I see several common misconceptions here that are off topic, but I see at least sever points that are answered in my link
tlamstrike
You're posting some random Youtube apologetics, while I'm posting stuff from a legitimate accredited university.
digitalwhisper11
Sarcasm Alert.
jargonmon
This church is about a mile from me. And they are legit.
swordsmark
Cool, I’m in Bellmore just next door. Greetings imgurian!
jargonmon
Greetings and salutations
thisnameisntfunny
Wait... is this Long Island?
doneza
Yup
MrsSassySauce
Yes!!! We went to Pixie pre schoo!!
chewbaccamegatron
May I ask where in the US this is?
jargonmon
Wantagh, New York
pandro
Take a pic. Ask the pastor to put up "hello imgur" and pose. preferably with a banana for scale lol. Maybe a message for our atheists. :-)
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thethingthatwentsplat
Please do this!
dundeeisdrunk
Autodots...Roll out!
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jargonmon
The sign was taken down. Looks like they changed denomination to something more Catholic. /a/GWlZJSw
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pandro
bummer. anything on the internet that's too good to be true ... is too good to be true. thanks for checking.
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thebenoshow
He had 2 dads and a mum...
miados
and since god is a trinity with the father son and holy ghost he is his own father.
xaosbob
True, so maybe this also makes a statement about remarriage.
pandavortex
Lol was thinking the same thing. They make it sound like “oh a gay couple raised Jesus.” Yah no, apparently Mary’s not a thing.
dbba
Do you really think that people don't know about Mary? It's just the church showing solidarity with gay parents, which is no bad thing.
sysaphiswaits
Thank you! I could not figure that one out. I guess I may have blocked out my religious upbringing a little to well.
MuresanDani
I mean I love people who put a modern spin on religion but let's not kid ourselves, the bible is very clear about what it thinks of gay ppl.
TheDairyPope
Is it really though? I tend to think of all religious text as an attempt to control the masses with a vengeful god through violent men.
Starcatcher1986
Yeah... It's almost as clear about that as it is about wearing clothing made of mixed fibers or eating shellfish.
SneakyEmu2
Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between the ceremonial law and the moral law
MuffinButter
Jesus never mentions homosexuality, nor do the ten commandments. It shows up only as an O.T. secondary admonition like drunkenness.
ridinmyboulevardc50
Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10
crateo
Actually, no. It isn't. Old testament is a bunch of allegories and gables put together. Christianity is driven by the New testament.
PompatusOfLove
Problem is when you start cherry picking. If being gay is a sin, then selling your daughter should be ok.
SneakyEmu2
Where do you get that from
PompatusOfLove
Exodus 21:7-11
SneakyEmu2
Yeah you know these were the most compassionate, moral laws of anywhere in the world at the time? It sounds bad to us now of course
PompatusOfLove
I do. But isn't it the word of God?
MuresanDani
I completely agree. My argument is if you're already picking the good from the bad in the Bible, it means you know what's good and bad and1/
MuresanDani
you don't really need the bible. 2/2
wiltsjunk
*old testament. Jesus says nothing about gay people, he just says love one another.
SneakyEmu2
Wrong. He said plenty of things about sexual immorality that shows he has the same views as the old testament
PerfectManhattanUp
Jesus didn't, but there's plenty in the new testament about how gays are still bad.
wiltsjunk
Is that true? Asking honestly. I've only ever heard about the OT stuff. Can you tell me where in the NT it references homosexuality?
PerfectManhattanUp
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Romans 1:26-27, and there's an argument to be made that Jude 1:7 is partially about homosexuality.
PerfectManhattanUp
In every case, homosexuals are lumped together with liars, murderers and thieves and even directly called shameful.
MuresanDani
Right, but he also says he has not come to change the old law, so again, you're choosing which parts of what he said you like.
dbba
So, do you follow all of the Old Testament laws?
SneakyEmu2
No because there is a difference between ceremonial laws (2 types of cloth) and moral laws (lifestyle choices)
dbba
Yes, but they are both the law, if you believe that stuff.
SugarSmack
That was never law, homosexuality was mentioned as abomination (translation "unsanctified") like going to church on your period. Not a sin.
PerfectManhattanUp
It said to stone men who lie with men...I don't care if it classifies it as a sin or not if capital punishment is prescribed...
SugarSmack
Like adultery.
SugarSmack
Like premarital sex.