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You are not dead until you are warm and dead.
Feb 19, 2020 9:40 AM
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licaek
In case anyone thinks that picture looks fake...it is. It's an artistic recreation.
licaek
The story and woman are real though! :D
Greatpriceforanopossum
Doctors do this for cardiac arrest patients all the time with good results. An article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4738817/
theresgarlicinthatnebula
*nurses
feeltheice
They throw someone outside for hours at sun zero temps, damn barbarians.
TresusIbor
Sun zero? So we're talking oxygen falling like snow?
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
Yep
Docdudebro
Sorta. We cool people AFTER we get their heart beating again with a giant wrap that circulates cold air. Called the Artic Sun.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
*cold water
turianfleet
But, if this happened in US, what was her medical bill for all that?
clucja1
You don't want to know
turianfleet
If this is US, what's her medical bill for this one?
thebirdsnake3916
What the... Is she part insect?
KatieIsALady
The picture is not related to the story but yep, real story. Baffling doctors to this day.
HeyOP
1) https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19810109&id=CkosAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uc0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6891,1583308&hl=en AP article about it from
LazerHawkAttack
Hmm... Did i just read a whole newspaper from 1981?
Bananasandwiches42
She had alcohol in her system which is why they think she survived. Under normal circumstances human cells are severely damaged when frozen.
LazerHawkAttack
No
Bananasandwiches42
Yes and maybe.
LazerHawkAttack
Perhaps
Bananasandwiches42
Possibly
HeyOP
2) 1981
LateNightBunnyParty
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/25/jean-hilliard-northern-minnesota-frozen-survived
LateNightBunnyParty
Happened in December of 80, she was released from hospital in January 81, and (unrelated, but still neat) I was born a month later.
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
Met a Nordic nurse who works in brain trauma. They have open air spaces to keep bodies cold and retard decay
FatBastardVegetarian
We don't say... retard...
ratfinkfuck
Special decay
DaveTheScientist
It's medical speak for "slow down".
FatBastardVegetarian
Joke... sheesh.
DaveTheScientist
Aye, and I was poking fun at your joke. Good fun all around, yeah?
daversomethingsomething
One of you is better at jokes than the other
iHateNicolasCage
Lol.... retard decay.
randomitguy
New metal band name, called it!
Holedemort
"mentally challenged" decay *
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
Technically the modern term is ID, intellectually disabled. Ivdislike that term as well, but since this is a joke, i won't go off on a rant.
Imalwaysready
If your mentally challengedness gets decayed, do you get more mentally capable?
bjorklund
My best friends son (3 at the time) fell through ice on a pond and was “dead” for 11 minutes. Today he is 6 and fully recovered.
squintish
Cold water rescues have been shown to be particularly effective in children.
VoidMatter
This makes me believe how all those people in anime and cartoons are able to be frozen in a block of ice and still live
DavidHawa
But they had to amputate from the neck up due to frostbite.
MrLikeacreeper
Not from the head down atleast.
DavidHawa
No not at all .
drakkaris12718
Cool. Now re-freeze her and send her to deep space.
Fluckers
Frozen zombie mode!
Panserclaw
Coolspacemarine
A similar thing happened to a 4 year old girl who snuck out of her house one winter's night.
insolentwerp
N'ice
Stuey1221
Help her defrost. That’s my favourite line
FrogBotherer
Theraputic hypothermia is something that is currently being trialled in heart surgery with apparently promising results.
TheGhostofKennyRogers
Great my heart has been frozen for years. I’m way ahead of the game!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKYOOOOOOOOUUUU
It's been used during heart surgery since 1952.
T1ttySprinkles
steve rogers approves
ratfinkfuck
I'd feel like the scum of the earth if my friend froze 15 feet from my door
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
Ice ice baby. Did the cold prolong her injuries?
rza33boo
The article said they were out drinking earlier, not specified her but if so I'd say that might have helped.
Andrzhel
It was 2 hours. The "article" is BS. Source: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/25/jean-hilliard-northern-minnesota-frozen-survived
theresgarlicinthatnebula
I mean it said that "doctors" tried to "administer" a "hypodermic needle" so....
EDDDDDDD
Frozen *SOLID*? Hyperbole much?
azuureth
49 days. Damn, sounds like an eternity. Of debt.
Andrzhel
It was 2 hours. The "article" is BS. Source: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/25/jean-hilliard-northern-minnesota-frozen-survived
HelloToe
49 days is how long she was in the hospital, not how long she was frozen.
Andrzhel
Well, even if that is right, the post strongly implied that she was frozen / comatoes for 49 days. But ok.
HelloToe
Nah, this was 1980. The pre-Reagan era was a much more affordable time to be in the hospital.
Arcian
Not if your name was Arthur Fleck.
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
Is she blind? Her eyes are open and frozen solid. I mean, was she disfigured at all? 'Full recovery' sounds unlikely.
BaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN
The "frozen solid" part is inaccurate at best, she wouldn't have a heartbeat if she was frozen solid. Probably just extremities w/ frostbite
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
Oh right ?
CelestialDancerChick
That's not a real picture of her. Just a reenactment.
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
Oooooooooooooh k
IliveIdyeIliveagain
Tursur
Let it... burn?
Sauroctonus
My bow is yours!
whitefoxkei
Need a light?
SatoriEnlightenment
What show is this, please?
whitefoxkei
It's a cutscene from StarCraft
RickiestRickC137
How tf did she not lose her eyesight or get frost bite... C'mon mannnnn. Frozen like a log? That's gotta be an exaggeration
HereFortheComments01
That’s what I’m saying. At least severe frost bite you would think?
textilelover
She did get frostbite according to the newspaper article someone posted a link to.
ishotjfktwice
I’ve seen some seriously crazy stuff (good and bad) working in an ER and on an ambulance...life is weird
thisguyonline1988
My gma survived being frozen to the ground in her own blood after an incident.... No one was around the family house for a couple days but
Radix865
So did she freeze similarly or was it just that the frozen blood prevented bloodloss?
thisguyonline1988
I'm thinking the blood freezing from the windows and doors being left open. Makes sense anyway.
SatoriEnlightenment
...we ate her.
thisguyonline1988
....she lived.
Drwhoscat
You're not dead until you're warm and dead.
Arcanum3000
Came here to say this.
etcnotect
You came here to repeat the post title?
Arcanum3000
Pfft, reading post titles is so passe.
InsufferablePedant
I, too, can read the post's title
Nognom
Yeah but home many fingers lost?
JohnnyLawlessEsq
None. Frostbite really only does that kind of damage when tissue is either frozen for a LONG time, or frozen, thawed, then frozen again.
FreckledGalaxy
This is what i want to know. How kjch damage did frost bite cause?
TheGilAbides
According to the article, just some blisters on her toes.
razmann
the article i read said pretty much none. some blistering in her toes, but nothing had to be amputated
mybigbadself
Had to check: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/25/jean-hilliard-northern-minnesota-frozen-survived
TheLoyalVike
This only reminds me of the girl in Duluth that had her leg(s?) amputated when the same thing happened ):
Marciluphigus
Thanks for the sauce
BionicBoner
She was destined for something...this cant end as a checker at wal-mart pt2 coming soon
ematic
Of course it was Minnesota....
beforetherewerememes
Um, *M* pr news? I mean, NPR is suspect enough... ?
BannedGeek
Us Minnesotans are a hearty bunch
mrfrigno33000
I feel like someone from any other country would have just immediately called an ambulance
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Don’t you mean minna soddans?
RiverRoyal
Minna Siddans lost their lives to get hold of the Death Star plans...?
idontknowhowthissiteworks
I had to repeat that a few times. Many bothans. Clever girl.
itsfunnythatwordsmeanthings
Funny that she seems most bummed that she didnt have a vision or get super powers out of it all
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Looks like she already had a superpower.
Nathanyel
She did get to keep the face warmer, though: https://media.tenor.com/images/9848b223cc40579ff51aca0ef433feab/tenor.gif
DarkwingDuc
It's amazing that she survived and didn't loose anything to frostbite.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
I think it depends on the conditions. Like you lose fingers and toes first because they’re furthest from your heart and the body 1/
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
Takes the warmth to the core of your body to keep organs alive, but if the fingers and toes aren’t in relatively much colder areas 2/
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
Then they might just drop in temperature but not to the extreme point of freezing off
md22mdrx
NATA5
NeverTireFish
AnElectrifyingMan
KeyMasher
laton
I'm loosing my shit over this...
Golgothanworm
DeadlyEnzyme
So. Some sort of mutation allowing for. What? Hard to burst cells?
dietderpsy
She was flash frozen in water with very little oxygen content.
QuiteBitterBeing
Did you even read the thing???
dietderpsy
Wrong woman, it was the other woman the was flash frozen.
afterdarkart
I always thought the motto was 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'
Mavgurian
Didnt know there were cheat codes in The Long Dark ...
EirikurDC
She had alcohol in her system
ratfinkfuck
Good tip to keep in mind. If you're worried about getting in an accident get nice and wasted first
EirikurDC
Ford Prefect had it right.
bemurray814
Thought that made it quicker to freeze to death?
EirikurDC
The alcohol in her organs kept the fluids from freezing to ice
TenguKaiju
It lowers the body's core temp by making blood flow to the extremities. In this case, it circulated the alcohol that protected her cells.
bpjarMemePoster
Probably somthing like less fluid in them
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AlmostScientist
Actually slow freezing produces larger ice crystals. A flash freeze with the ambient temperatures being so low likely saved her.
ThisFireGrowsHigher
Isn't it the exact opposite? Fast freezing makes small crystals, slow makes large crystals. This is why flash freezing meat doesnt ruin it
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armagetz
I’d love to see a link on this, b/c you are speaking directly opposite of the last medical lit I’ve seen saying slow freezes are the worst
CarpeMofo
I read an article on this once, there is some kind of chemical released in the body in specific situations that will help.
fitchy0812
Frogs and other amphibians and such have the ability to release antifreeze compounds which surround the intermediate zones of cells. 1/2
fitchy0812
This allows the cells to not burst and maintain bodily functions albeit at a very slow almost halted state!
preventerfire
Is this what’s turning them all gay? Asking for a talk show host
SergeantTerryJeffords
The body was ways to shut that sorta thing down
CarpeMofo
This was some kind of something released during exercise. Might be related to adrenaline or something, can't remember.
SergeantTerryJeffords
I was making a reference to an incredibly stupid politician talking about how rape isn't actually possible
CarpeMofo
I recognized that's what it sounded like, but didn't connect the joke. Excuse my autistic ass brain.
Smigions
If I remember right she had a lot of alcohol in her system. It help her cells from bursting from getting frozen.
Billy2sweet
Alcohol saves lives, kids.
PunchyFromCleveland
I don’t think she would’ve had enough blood alcohol to keep her blood from freezing, not without dying from alcohol toxicity first.
TK421isAFK
Lots of comments in here, but this is the first thing I thought, and the only thing that makes sense. 0.5% BAC would kill many people, 1/2
TK421isAFK
and that's nowhere near enough alcohol to make an azeotrope of significant freezing point difference. 2/2
weneedaplaguestat
Are you calling her a liar? :)
Manwellus
That explains the car crash
wrenchhead
I assume the temp dropped really fast, too, which would have helped.
valen00
Freezing eggs is a pretty new thing to be viable. That uses liquid nitrogen and special techniques. That's 1 (large) cell
Alfadorfox
Get super drunk before cryonics, noted.
AgentDoggit83
So cryosleep could be a thing we just need to get wasted before going in
swatz
WOO, about to travel to a colony 30 light years away.. Everyone get tanked at the departing party and climb into a pod!
DoDucHuy
That sounds like fun
HomunculusSr
Imagine the hangover though..
wintercoat
Excuse you, it's cryosickness, and I'd like you to please stop shouting!
TapiocaMartini
That's a problem for future me. Besides by the time they figure out the wake up part I hope they cure hangovers too.
weneedaplaguestat
Another justification for me to drink. Not drive through. Just drink
ShiningForce
luciferian669
MaxieMooo
Hell ill drink to that
TheZacAttack
I had a great-great-uncle freeze to death this way. He only had 1000 feet between where the car dropped him off and his house, be safe
weneedaplaguestat
Sorry for your loss. He was probably only a shot or two away from surviving it just like the lady above
TheZacAttack
It was weeeeeellllll before I was born. I dont think my dad had even been born at the time. He was probably s.o.l. either way w/o modern med