What system would that be? There will ALWAYS be those seeking to reduce rights. Best defense is to not elect them. Second best is for Congress to not be blindly loyal to, and in lockstep with, the President. But there is no system than can inherently protect your rights without constant vigilance and work.
Can you point to a country/system where rights can somehow survive hostile politicians and leaders controlling all the significant levers of power? Especially when supported by ~50% of the voting population.
There is no system that can guarantee your rights but also be unable to take them away.
In any system of government, that government will ALWAYS have the power to take your rights and freedoms away. All it takes, as we have seen throughout history, is for enough of the wrong people to gain power.
We had that, but the people in power whose job it was to enforce it... didn't. We had accountability written into the law for rich or poor but that has NEVER been enforced.
It's all theater. It's just like our "free and fair" elections. Elections have always been a sham, and the law is meaningless when it won't be enforced by the enforcers, governed with by the government, or used faithfully in court by the courts.
A sizable fraction of the population decided having human rights isn't worth it anymore if minorities and immigrants get to enjoy them also... it's better that everyone suffer than have to see people you regard as "inferior" thrive also.
Realistically, there is no system in which no one truly 'has the power to take them away' unless there is either an actual power, or a threat of power, to keep the government from doing so. It took less than a century for fascism to sweep western governments after it rose in the 1900s. The French actually know how to protest in a way that shows force, so some countries are doing better than others. America does not know how to protest, so our only recourse will eventually be actual force.
Exactly how do we build a system that is “Bad-President-Proof”? How does one write proper democratic norms into constitutional law without either being too ambiguous (1 page) or too detailed (1,000 pages) to pass?
Also, a singular "Bad President" could be constrained, managed, impeached. When so much of the political system is full of bad people, the system breaks down and fails.
The American political system actually has very good checks and balances. Unfortunately, there are no checks and balances that will withstand constant erosion from malicious actors within every governing body tasked with enforcing them.
Also, the ultimate check/balance is the electorate, and they've shown that Trump isn't some crazy outsider trying to seize control - he was a popular candidate with widespread support even 8 years after his entrance to the political stage.
skipped over a few things and allowed a few unelected (and from foreign lands) to act as kings disguised as corporations. need to revisit separation from church and add corporations
I mean this has been a good example of just how well that have been working. Sure many of them have failed, but not all of them. Which is why Trumps regime isn't getting its way most of the time. Sure they have done a lot of awful things, but they are getting countered on it. It might be slow, but there are counters to them working. If they weren't things would be much worse, as everything Trump has wanted to do would have been done, which fortunately hasn't happened.
Vaguely gestures at coordinated attack on our governmental systems including stacking the Supreme Court with corrupt judges and controlling all three branches of the Government.
It started long ago with the selection of Ronald Reagan as the pitch man for the 1%'s attack on the rest of us. They used the ±1 standard deviation of the population that is too fucking stupid to know what's good for them and will trade it for a magic bean if allowed to do it. And they did.
Yes, but there's still counters to them from other places that are working. They might control the Supreme court, but the lower courts are not really on their side. And they don't have control over the States either. The system while weakened is still working to be a check on their power still.
Yes, because the higher power systems that check their power are the ones they have co-opted. So the ones that could have them removed they have control over. But the smaller ones that can block them and slow them down are still functioning. Which they have done to the best of their ability. It is really showing just how well layered the controls are, that at all levels there is at least some way to oppose the system from being abused. The higher up the chain you go, the stronger those power get
President John F. Kennedy said, "Geography has made us neighbours, history has made us friends, economics has made us partners, and necessity has made us allies."
And Donold tRump Senior has made the U.S. our enemy.
If any states want to leave the USA and join us up here, please fill out an application. We'll review them, but will only be contacting those that would be worth considering for a preliminary interview.
svedo
Yall got guns for this exact reason
Imalwaysready
What system would that be? There will ALWAYS be those seeking to reduce rights. Best defense is to not elect them. Second best is for Congress to not be blindly loyal to, and in lockstep with, the President. But there is no system than can inherently protect your rights without constant vigilance and work.
zylokun
That system doesn't exist and literally can't. If you have something, it can always be taken away
pgdave
Rights are only ever as strong as their enforcement
loma45
Can you point to a country/system where rights can somehow survive hostile politicians and leaders controlling all the significant levers of power? Especially when supported by ~50% of the voting population.
There is no system that can guarantee your rights but also be unable to take them away.
Camelspotting
That's a lot of words to say nothing.
clonedeeznuts
"Abolished slavery"
walnutbreath
That would require that we protect those rights equally for everyone and that's a non-starter for conservatives.
UncleRat
George Carlin figured this out decades ago.
rockmanx853000
Man was decades ahead of all of us
JohnnyFiveAces
For those that want to hear it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FQZUSy1Vg
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Rosa Luxembourg figured it out decades before then.
unluckyandbored
In any system of government, that government will ALWAYS have the power to take your rights and freedoms away. All it takes, as we have seen throughout history, is for enough of the wrong people to gain power.
DaisyfromDownunder
Firstly, make sure you have a system where a pedophile moron cannot be elected. That's Super Simple Stuff.
PirateArrrgument
We had that, but the people in power whose job it was to enforce it... didn't. We had accountability written into the law for rich or poor but that has NEVER been enforced.
It's all theater. It's just like our "free and fair" elections. Elections have always been a sham, and the law is meaningless when it won't be enforced by the enforcers, governed with by the government, or used faithfully in court by the courts.
ThrockmortonTheSkateboarder
I got a good laugh out of my students when I explained checks and balances to them in my political satire seminar.
universeHacker
A sizable fraction of the population decided having human rights isn't worth it anymore if minorities and immigrants get to enjoy them also... it's better that everyone suffer than have to see people you regard as "inferior" thrive also.
CobainsSarcoma
don't forget the lady that laughed funny oh and eggs that were six dollars for three weeks five years ago
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Armed people are a lot harder to herd into boxcars.
Just saying.
rmcarboy
Realistically, there is no system in which no one truly 'has the power to take them away' unless there is either an actual power, or a threat of power, to keep the government from doing so. It took less than a century for fascism to sweep western governments after it rose in the 1900s. The French actually know how to protest in a way that shows force, so some countries are doing better than others. America does not know how to protest, so our only recourse will eventually be actual force.
PresldentClef
...This is a little pedantic, about as useful as saying america isnt a democracy but a 'constitutional republic' or whatever.
Munchman347
It's a balancing act. Without the ability to 'amend' our 'rights', it would still be legal to own slaves...
NozzleBozzle
"I hear education is good. Yes, I've heard that"
RobertAG25772
Exactly how do we build a system that is “Bad-President-Proof”? How does one write proper democratic norms into constitutional law without either being too ambiguous (1 page) or too detailed (1,000 pages) to pass?
RobertAG25772
The point is, your idea is perfect in theory, problematically to implement in practice.
OnyxTurret
Also, a singular "Bad President" could be constrained, managed, impeached. When so much of the political system is full of bad people, the system breaks down and fails.
bourbonandbaddecisions
As George Carlin said if they can take it away it’s a privilege not a right.
skapanda616
The system of checks and balances was intended to prevent this, but ya know...
*vaguely gestures at everything*
bad1080
loma45
The American political system actually has very good checks and balances. Unfortunately, there are no checks and balances that will withstand constant erosion from malicious actors within every governing body tasked with enforcing them.
Also, the ultimate check/balance is the electorate, and they've shown that Trump isn't some crazy outsider trying to seize control - he was a popular candidate with widespread support even 8 years after his entrance to the political stage.
paeches
skipped over a few things and allowed a few unelected (and from foreign lands) to act as kings disguised as corporations. need to revisit separation from church and add corporations
Targe0
I mean this has been a good example of just how well that have been working.
Sure many of them have failed, but not all of them.
Which is why Trumps regime isn't getting its way most of the time. Sure they have done a lot of awful things, but they are getting countered on it. It might be slow, but there are counters to them working. If they weren't things would be much worse, as everything Trump has wanted to do would have been done, which fortunately hasn't happened.
howimetyourauntrobin2
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1emszcDJtc3RqaWJvbDh4dHEzZ2o1bG01dDJkczJ4MzY4M292a2hkdyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/QAqPBBoJxRLoI/200w.webp
B0ardski
yeah, the system that repuglikkkers have been dismantling for over 4 decades while dem sit in the corner writing a strongly worded letter.
B0ardski
...while insider trading
Dannoboyo
Vaguely gestures at coordinated attack on our governmental systems including stacking the Supreme Court with corrupt judges and controlling all three branches of the Government.
Antrobus55
It started long ago with the selection of Ronald Reagan as the pitch man for the 1%'s attack on the rest of us. They used the ±1 standard deviation of the population that is too fucking stupid to know what's good for them and will trade it for a magic bean if allowed to do it. And they did.
Sebastopol140
They've been preparing this for quite some time.
Targe0
Yes, but there's still counters to them from other places that are working.
They might control the Supreme court, but the lower courts are not really on their side.
And they don't have control over the States either. The system while weakened is still working to be a check on their power still.
Roune
It seems like they’re barely able to do so tho. By just a bare thread
Targe0
Yes, because the higher power systems that check their power are the ones they have co-opted.
So the ones that could have them removed they have control over.
But the smaller ones that can block them and slow them down are still functioning. Which they have done to the best of their ability.
It is really showing just how well layered the controls are, that at all levels there is at least some way to oppose the system from being abused. The higher up the chain you go, the stronger those power get
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Yep. It's the same for us (former) US allies. When every 4 years your voters can give us a president who's our friend or foe, we're not allies.
shitheadtookmyname
The French are America's only natural allies anyway. Bunch of cunty pussies
PineappleLoopsBroether
This country has ALWAYS been a pyramid scheme lead by murderous liars, just sometimes the people who live here got a share of the wealth.
Resistance1000
President John F. Kennedy said, "Geography has made us neighbours, history has made us friends, economics has made us partners, and necessity has made us allies."
And Donold tRump Senior has made the U.S. our enemy.
If any states want to leave the USA and join us up here, please fill out an application. We'll review them, but will only be contacting those that would be worth considering for a preliminary interview.
Targe0
Sadly after the US civil war, they made laws clearly stating that states can't do that.
Roune
You guys should just fuckin take Alaska on principle
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
California has tacos, hiking, and el Lay.
This is our complete application.
adamlstf9
In Maine we’re already Canada Lite. We love poutine and our gorgeous wild lands, trees, and waters. Please, please save us?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Geographical proximity makes you neighbours. Geography itself didn't. Unless you were forced to live there by geographers
Yetiphobia
And you mixed the tenses in your attempt at edification. D for duh.
Targe0
Who do you think were the ones that navigated the ships over there?
It was the cartographers, who are just geographers that like to draw.
Zammurkele
I didn't create this, so no clue about Florida.
FatForYou
Florida IS NOT invited
Targe0
Honestly that would solve a lot of the problems.
Create a whole bunch of new ones, but would solve some of them.
DukePhelan
Republicans don't deserve the American soil under their fingernails much less entire states.
johnhatten2
Florida is a popular vacation place for canadians
Coltaine
Which state is that gnome in boot looking one?
TeddyMoment
It's Idaho, the U.S. can keep Idaho.
icannotthinkofanyrationalname
They can merge with Alberta!
skapanda616
Florida has a lot of Canadian, retired, part time residents. Snowbirds that come down here to escape Canadian winter.
Nyxaura
Might as well put Arizona in there too then for that reason.
HumanCapybara
Yeah but a lot of them are Albertans so they’re just as bad as our homegrown idiots.
akafluffy
There aren't as many Albertans as you think there are.
skapanda616
Most of the plates I see driving around are Ontario.