The 21 year old youngster who protesting peacefully & holding a speaker and was shot in the face by ICE point blank has been permanently blinded in 1 eye!
A large number of people against ICE are also against civilians having guns. They keep asking where everyone else with guns are. The people who were loudest about the 2a are the ones in this video with the guns. Yet still to this day Democrats are putting forth legislation to disarm civilians.
the country which is always going on about their guns and why they have them. Is not doing the thing. Why did they bother to keep their weapons. after all those school kids died?
The shit talking cowards? They're either the ones wearing the masks and living out their racist bigoted wet dreams with egos as strong as soap bubbles or they're cowering in their prepper bunkers refusing to admit they were lied to and were wrong about a whole lot of things.
This is so fucking unreal. All the while you'll see Kristi Noem and Donald Trump giving it a thumbs up and saying that this poor kid deserved to be permanently blinded in one eye because... "disrespect."
I think this is the karma coming back on us. People spend more time posting hateful comments at each other than spending time with their friends and looking into their faces and seeing how they are doing. We've become an absolutely deranged society.
Permanently blind, jesus christ. That's a horror. That person's life is changed forever, because of these arrogant idiotic fascist thugs. I will never, ever, ever respect, or forgive, anyone who attempts to justify what is happening right now in any way. Anyone who is trying to "both sides!" this insane bullshit is a fascist. No, that's not just name calling. No, that's not just hyperbole. What's happening is fascism. Those trying to justify it are siding with fascists. Literally. That's it.
Black Panthers are finally showing up in force, but they don't need to be the only ones.
Don't even have to fire a shot. Show up armed at these protests. DO NOT brandish, just stand there menacingly. Show these pants-shittingly insecure bullies they aren't the only ones with teeth.
For sure. A quality plate setup isn't all that expensive, and besides, the more you look like them, the more likely some of the untrained morons might end up hesitating in confusion.
Just make sure you don't wear or carry anything you aren't trained with or prepared and capable of using if necessary. Being as untrained as they are is just going to add more danger to the situation.
It is in all of their documentation. "Up to a 50k sign on bonus". Someone linked the PDF file from the ICE recruitment site a few days ago that I had read.
That is completely at odds with the definition of 'sign on', and more a retention bonus. Idiots won't know the difference though. Is that a true though?
My understanding was that it's a $50,000 signing bonus, but it comes in $10,000 installments each year for the first five years. I don't know where they're getting their info, but to be fair, I don't remember where I heard mine either
The way it works in the military is you get a portion of your sign on right way, usually capped at $10,000 from there you get annual installments until you complete your contract with the final total being whatever you were promised. If you don't complete your contract you keep what you got so far but forfeit the rest. From what I've read it looks like ICE uses a similar system.
And then you realize that the Republican Party were gearing up for this over decades. Barack Obama becoming president was their tipping point. They're like "the majority elects a black man as president? It's the law straw. We're done with democracy."
Been saying this for a while. Started with the Tea Party idiots. Seeing a (half) black man in the white house just broke them. The last civil war veteran died in the 1950s which means there were enough of them still around to poison the youth born in the 30s/40s. And THOSE people were predominately running the country in the late 2000s.
I think globalization played a big part in it for many- as many good things came out of it there were also lots of losses of jobs, and then addiction issues fueled by it. Pair that with the housing crisis and everyone's like the system isn't working for me, time to burn it all down! (Instead of like, let's fix it)
It was not. A country built on land theft, genocide, slavery, apartheid, and the birthplace of Nazism from where Pre-Nazi Germany took its notes. If Americans want to come out of the dark ages and ensure their kids don't grow up in a Nazi dictatorship, they need to grow a collective spine and rise up.
Imagine how much better USA could've been by now as a country if its People had a collective spine, and learned from history instead of repeating the worst parts. If they were a People who would fight tooth and nail to protect their children from growing up in a Nazi dictatorship. If even ten percent of their 350 million were like this, USA wouldn't be the fascist cesspit we see now, and we wouldn't have to fear for our children going to war to defend the Free World from the Americans.
Their culture is too narcissistic and blind of pride for themselves and their flag/nation. It's like a child telling in school how strong of a fighter his dad is just to sell himself better, while being beaten at home by the same violent dad. Not cool USA. Not cool. It may turn out better eventually - after they drag half of the world through the mud, while spitting at everyone just to keep their ego.
Blaming it on "the people" elides the fact that a small group worked for decades to bring us here: allowing the free flow of money into politics, packing the courts, building and buying media platforms, gerrymandering districts and limiting voting. Trump isn't an accident: he's the flower of the Federalist Society dream.
Indeed. We saw the plethora of "Punch a Nazi" slacktivist memes from Americans who likely did nothing else to actually stop their Nazis from taking over. Many didn't even get off their asses to vote against their Hitler.
Nah, when you start "hurting" them they start shooting indiscriminately. Just kneel on them how they like to do to minorities, poc, and generally anyone they don't like. We need a way to disarm and subdue them without injury (I know without injury is something foreign to them).
I am not confident focusing on disarming would work. But I do know they're gigantic pussies and showing up in force at least appearing ready to fight back would discourage them and avoid more situations. And if not, well ideally again they'd be surrounded. We need numbers. When ICE is spotted the herd has to come together, we HAVE to look out for each other. When apprehending perps there's 1 or 2 badges keeping watch, you've seen them do it and when they do they're scared as shit. This is why /
you see them lash out at that point at anyone remotely nearby. They don't even want you within ten feet and will false charge or push you. They can't do this when surrounded. Which is why at this point they've called reinforcements, and why it's important we act as soon as ICE is spotted doing anything and do whatever it is we need to do before more pigs show. Dogpile. Grab their belts, rip them off, get their gear and toss it and start stomping. Don't stop until you hear something break.
Im a Croat. I am declaring that I am boycotting American products and cooperations.
I pulled out my SnP500 funds, I am not renewing my Netflix next month. I am a scientist, I will not work with American scientists, go to American conferences, publish in American journals, or promote my American colleagues anymore. I will not buy American products anymore as much as I possibly can.
You are living in a fascist state and all of you are complicit in allowing it to happen.
I have as well, it's really shitty that theres a lot of US products that lie on their packaging as being Canadian. Loblaws and Nofrills aren't helping either with falsely tagging products as Canadian
"all of you are complicit in allowing it to happen" Oh STFU there. This holier than thou "unless you're going on suicide missions against ICE you're allowing it" BS needs to stop. Why did it take you 3 years to get rid of Milošević ? What were you personally doing during that time?
Also, Milosevic is not the same. You are thinking about NDH - the Nazi puppet state created during ww2 that killed jews, serbs, and gypsies.
The Partizans were invented here and your military books teach our tactics on how to fight guerilla warfare based on what we, the people, did to the occupying nazi state.
I think maybe you are misinformed. The Croatian War of Independence lasted almost 5 years. It started with attacks on Croatian police by Serbs. The people didn't fight the JNA in the streets, the military did.
The Croatian homeland war started 1991 and ended 1994. The diplomatic process lasted till late 1995 but the fighting was pretty much over about the time I was born.
You have obviously no clue about that war if you think the military was the only factor here. Also a huge chunk of the military were volunteers. Why are you not writing to your state governor to start a coalition and cut off from the fed govt?
who the hell knows, honestly. I think we're all just lost right now. The people going to the streets and making noise, outnumbering the ICE agents are helping though. It might not seem like it but we've seen the cowards leave when there's enough opposition. They will get tired of the long hours, bad weather, hoards of people shouting at them. I don't know where it goes from here though
That's literally how journalism has worked in all of human history, and is an important part of the issue. You can't expect everyone to have the equipment and willingness to fight crazed gunmen.
People have been shot by ice several times before Renee Good, the difference being it wasn't as well documented on video. They have made the same arguments the other times to avoid accountability and it worked because the public didn't have the proof to refute it. We should be doing more, I agree, but the problem with decent people is we don't go shooting unless we are sure it's unavoidable -unlike ICE. These videos is how you get to real action.
If you hadn’t seen any recordings, what would you believe? How would you know anything?
It’s not the *only* thing to do, but recording the atrocities you witness is the only way the people will know what is happening. People see. Anger is growing. Resistance is mounting
Are you saying people shouldn’t record? What’s the alternative, just believe the states’ story?
Visibility is super important. Without the recordings of Good's murder you wouldn't have the protests we've seen since, and the more people you can get to a protest the more people you can organize to actually push back. People towing illegally parked ICE cars, groups of legally armed civilians standing their ground against ICE, agents being doxxed and made to feel unsafe in their homes. But that's not happening if nobody can see what ICE is doing.
what have those protests accomplished so far? there has been no towing of illegally parked ice vehicles. the one video people reference is from july in california. ICE agent records are public info. it isnt doxxing if its freely available. all thats happened as a result of the Good video is that Ross has been made a right wing celebrity and is now rich. hes received thousands in donations.
A movement isn't made in a day. It feels like you didn't read my comment, because I explained what the protests accomplish. I didn't claim ICE cars are being towed, I mentioned it as an example of ways to push back. But next to nobody will push back alone, and the giant protests show that they're not alone. The protests don't usually effect immediate change, but they are an important step on the path to change. Stop being so defeatist.
"My town" and "we" being used makes me think BS. What town? What did YOU do specifically? Since you want to shit on others.
In a country where journalists cover up the truth, its the sharing of video and information that is most important so peoppe are ready. Especially for those who feel them are safe from danger...
As a wise imgurian once said, and I'll never forget, if free speech online did nothing, they wouldn't be trying to stop it. This goes for cams too. The more there is, the harder it is to dispute. And side note, I don't like when people online go the route of argument "oh you're not doing anything" from an armchair. K let's put you on that street then. It helps no one to say "you're not doing enough." Allies don't say that. They provide substantial help. Peace y'all, from Minneapolis
For one: it means someone is listening to you. As for ‘then what’, do you know HOW certain things become ‘viral’? By getting passed around the internet, by sharing it with others. Every ‘like’ pushes a video one step closer to the top of the page.
You wanna know why being a ‘keyboard warrior’ is so enticing? Because you can see the results of your efforts within a day or two.
How would anyone even be able to answer that if there wasn't people recording to know what happened. Don't move the goal post. Because the answer you seek varies from encounter to encounter. Context matters, but how would we have any context if no one recorded in the first place?
So ill ask you the same, what do YOU think should come next now that YOU know whats happening thanks to people recording?
Twinklepot
Poor kid!!! That is terrible.
philmoregraves
Idk if ppl realize this but u can buy ur own paintball pepper balls
Arbitrarynamehere
It's America, you can buy a lot of things
xj4low
Not only blind, left him with shrapnel 6mm from his aortic artery. They denied him medical treatment after dragging him away by his hoodie hood.
graehall
Uncomfirmed from multiple sources but I read one of the ICE agents joked that "you're going to lose an eye"
frontseatdog
The agent aimed at his face. It should be a crime.
theelous3
the second ammendment
nachosyndicate
I hope he sues.
VelvetWarhol
ButtscratchMcPherson
Pretty sure the officer will get a promotion for this.
GreenMnM
We wont be safe until the traitor hangs on the white house lawn.
Cyrakhis
They always aim for the head huh? Pathetic.
baamalam
It's time to stop playing nice and pull punches. You won't beat them with your signs unfortunately..
camn333
Fucking animals.
pumper
I bet they do.
Pats0r
What an insult for animala..
Urselchen
Animals wouldn`t behave like that. Never.
LokilairTTV
I mean.... humans ARE animals.... so..... just saying.
But yes very very disturbing, these nazis will face retribution. If the legal system won't do it. The streets will.
Copperbrat
Fuck naz!s
CarpathionWargasm
When do we fight back. When do we all get out there, 10-20X their numbers, and fight back.
PolitiCat
Topple the tyrants. The second amendment was literally designed for this.
clankthegray
Wear eye protection, head protection, and if grabbed dont be afraid to knee them in the nuts yall. Be safe while protesting everyone.
hufflesnuff
Union manual on protest PPE: www dot uaw4121 dot org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Guide-to-PPE dot pdf
Mountons
Sounds like a massive good old American lawsuit!
londonosierra2000
The most inferior Americans playing authority. shame on America!
HereticNoNumber
They keep on doing the close range head shots. Lack of training really shows. Or maybe it is the immunity to consequences. Fucked up in any case.
mandorsawalll
Where are your goddamn 2nd amendment guns you were collecting to fight the tyrannical government?
n0n53n53
A large number of people against ICE are also against civilians having guns. They keep asking where everyone else with guns are. The people who were loudest about the 2a are the ones in this video with the guns. Yet still to this day Democrats are putting forth legislation to disarm civilians.
DickMcStiffens
They've changed over to the "comply or die" crowd.
dogbeachesarethebestbeaches
the country which is always going on about their guns and why they have them. Is not doing the thing. Why did they bother to keep their weapons. after all those school kids died?
StellarJay77
The shit talking cowards? They're either the ones wearing the masks and living out their racist bigoted wet dreams with egos as strong as soap bubbles or they're cowering in their prepper bunkers refusing to admit they were lied to and were wrong about a whole lot of things.
Alozar
"the country that goes on about their guns" it's literally only the Republican NRA nutjobs and guess which side they are on
dogbeachesarethebestbeaches
No bet. Difficult times. My sympathies.
cytherians
1776 (high hopes) --- 2026 (bottomed out)
This is so fucking unreal. All the while you'll see Kristi Noem and Donald Trump giving it a thumbs up and saying that this poor kid deserved to be permanently blinded in one eye because... "disrespect."
Karma? You're taking too damn fucking long.
BolenArrow
I think this is the karma coming back on us. People spend more time posting hateful comments at each other than spending time with their friends and looking into their faces and seeing how they are doing. We've become an absolutely deranged society.
4TWookie
This is 100% true the American people have failed at keeping a tyrant from power cus they are all waiting for someone else to do something
TheDiscoVampire
Karma is bought and paid for.
MeestowKitty
The only thing that will stop this is steel.
ParryLost
Permanently blind, jesus christ. That's a horror. That person's life is changed forever, because of these arrogant idiotic fascist thugs. I will never, ever, ever respect, or forgive, anyone who attempts to justify what is happening right now in any way. Anyone who is trying to "both sides!" this insane bullshit is a fascist. No, that's not just name calling. No, that's not just hyperbole. What's happening is fascism. Those trying to justify it are siding with fascists. Literally. That's it.
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
unluckyandbored
REVOLUTION NOW
4TWookie
Revolution would have worked, before ICE
4TWookie
You have no opposition they aren’t willing and ultimately allowed to kill
unluckyandbored
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is today.
Arbitrarynamehere
Reminder that Schumer let ICE get their massive funding boost because he's a fucking coward.
Eyeetsass
Look, they can’t fight. They’re scared. Make them earn the sign on bonus business daddy will never pay.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
What bonus? They'll never get it — they have to stay on board for five years and I have a feeling most won't make it six months.
GeneralAnubis
Black Panthers are finally showing up in force, but they don't need to be the only ones.
Don't even have to fire a shot. Show up armed at these protests. DO NOT brandish, just stand there menacingly. Show these pants-shittingly insecure bullies they aren't the only ones with teeth.
riddmkidd
and invest in bulletproof vests.
GeneralAnubis
For sure. A quality plate setup isn't all that expensive, and besides, the more you look like them, the more likely some of the untrained morons might end up hesitating in confusion.
Just make sure you don't wear or carry anything you aren't trained with or prepared and capable of using if necessary. Being as untrained as they are is just going to add more danger to the situation.
Kalavier
Sign on bonus that kicks in after 5 years of service.
Toqom
They will never make it that long
KillingTlme
It is actually a bonus of "up to" $50,000. Similar to when there is a sale somewhere with "up to" 50% off.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Is it really? Can you sauce me? I have been wondering about this
KillingTlme
It is in all of their documentation. "Up to a 50k sign on bonus". Someone linked the PDF file from the ICE recruitment site a few days ago that I had read.
TheMershedPerderder
That is completely at odds with the definition of 'sign on', and more a retention bonus. Idiots won't know the difference though. Is that a true though?
AsAHistorian
My understanding was that it's a $50,000 signing bonus, but it comes in $10,000 installments each year for the first five years. I don't know where they're getting their info, but to be fair, I don't remember where I heard mine either
Eyeetsass
That is specifically how it works. Notice it’s 5 years. One year longer than the “term” of the president who offered it.
BurlRavenscroft
Oh good when they don't get paid they'll blame the democrats
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Thank God
Izdleve
The way it works in the military is you get a portion of your sign on right way, usually capped at $10,000 from there you get annual installments until you complete your contract with the final total being whatever you were promised. If you don't complete your contract you keep what you got so far but forfeit the rest. From what I've read it looks like ICE uses a similar system.
bobgunrunnersmith
Happy 250th America!
Bigblackdick69
I miss the days when that would be considered a greeting not a threat
BreakingHeadlines
I did not ever think we would have fallen in my lifetime.
DesdemonaMoor
Trump and Kegseth will be the only ones attending the squeaky-wheel tank parade.
TungstenOrbital
Kegsbreath
DesdemonaMoor
Thank you!
Loosends392
We’re not quite at 250 yet
Dybidude5
America! Fuck yeah! Comin again to save the motherfucking day yea! *Waving the American flag in love for the only nation that is led by God*
UpvoteTotem
If only we had like one little reason to feel good and celebrate... I don't know what it could be tho
EricPisch
Mind your social score, it’s the United States of Donald J Trump and America now
Septcanmat
Sponsored by Chevron
myceilingfanispossessed
russian states of america
bobgunrunnersmith
East Russia, capitol is little Moscow.
yamamasyamaha
*the democratic people’s republic of America
Sticklebrickk
Gulf of Trump
MyGreatestFearBoner
OriginalAndWitty
Every empire eventually falls, it's weird seeing it happen in real time. We had a good(?) run. Hopefully something better rises from it's ashes
cytherians
I just didn't think it would fall this quickly.
And then you realize that the Republican Party were gearing up for this over decades. Barack Obama becoming president was their tipping point. They're like "the majority elects a black man as president? It's the law straw. We're done with democracy."
OriginalAndWitty
Been saying this for a while. Started with the Tea Party idiots. Seeing a (half) black man in the white house just broke them. The last civil war veteran died in the 1950s which means there were enough of them still around to poison the youth born in the 30s/40s. And THOSE people were predominately running the country in the late 2000s.
Hippb
I think globalization played a big part in it for many- as many good things came out of it there were also lots of losses of jobs, and then addiction issues fueled by it. Pair that with the housing crisis and everyone's like the system isn't working for me, time to burn it all down! (Instead of like, let's fix it)
cytherians
Yeah, but Republicans were making major profits on globalization...
Hippb
Much of their base got nothing
ratrider524360
Literal decades.
They have been planning this since the Civil Rights era.
greentech
It was a good run
KleptoKea
It was not. A country built on land theft, genocide, slavery, apartheid, and the birthplace of Nazism from where Pre-Nazi Germany took its notes. If Americans want to come out of the dark ages and ensure their kids don't grow up in a Nazi dictatorship, they need to grow a collective spine and rise up.
greentech
Appreciate the sentiment, but my kids are breed ambassadors
bobgunrunnersmith
Good for some, not all.
KleptoKea
Imagine how much better USA could've been by now as a country if its People had a collective spine, and learned from history instead of repeating the worst parts. If they were a People who would fight tooth and nail to protect their children from growing up in a Nazi dictatorship. If even ten percent of their 350 million were like this, USA wouldn't be the fascist cesspit we see now, and we wouldn't have to fear for our children going to war to defend the Free World from the Americans.
Dybidude5
Their culture is too narcissistic and blind of pride for themselves and their flag/nation.
It's like a child telling in school how strong of a fighter his dad is just to sell himself better, while being beaten at home by the same violent dad. Not cool USA. Not cool.
It may turn out better eventually - after they drag half of the world through the mud, while spitting at everyone just to keep their ego.
pontiacbandit
Blaming it on "the people" elides the fact that a small group worked for decades to bring us here: allowing the free flow of money into politics, packing the courts, building and buying media platforms, gerrymandering districts and limiting voting. Trump isn't an accident: he's the flower of the Federalist Society dream.
beatmacster
Social media gave people a soap box to say their piece. Once they’re done they’re no longer “angry” enough to act on it.
KleptoKea
Indeed. We saw the plethora of "Punch a Nazi" slacktivist memes from Americans who likely did nothing else to actually stop their Nazis from taking over. Many didn't even get off their asses to vote against their Hitler.
Cbouch4rd
There are four of them, and if each had to take on one protestor they would be vulnerable. America needs to get madder and rougher.
SecondSince
Deadlier!
Neuronyx
Most of the time we outnumber them. They need to be piled on and hurt, bad.
Dstar99a
Nah, when you start "hurting" them they start shooting indiscriminately. Just kneel on them how they like to do to minorities, poc, and generally anyone they don't like. We need a way to disarm and subdue them without injury (I know without injury is something foreign to them).
Neuronyx
I am not confident focusing on disarming would work. But I do know they're gigantic pussies and showing up in force at least appearing ready to fight back would discourage them and avoid more situations. And if not, well ideally again they'd be surrounded. We need numbers. When ICE is spotted the herd has to come together, we HAVE to look out for each other. When apprehending perps there's 1 or 2 badges keeping watch, you've seen them do it and when they do they're scared as shit. This is why /
Neuronyx
you see them lash out at that point at anyone remotely nearby. They don't even want you within ten feet and will false charge or push you. They can't do this when surrounded. Which is why at this point they've called reinforcements, and why it's important we act as soon as ICE is spotted doing anything and do whatever it is we need to do before more pigs show. Dogpile. Grab their belts, rip them off, get their gear and toss it and start stomping. Don't stop until you hear something break.
n0n53n53
they shoot when their feelings are hurt. If you want to fight them disarm them
SecondSince
Fuck that pansy ass shit that isn't doing ANYTHING!!! They are killing you in broad daylight right now! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!
Rebatu
Im a Croat.
I am declaring that I am boycotting American products and cooperations.
I pulled out my SnP500 funds, I am not renewing my Netflix next month. I am a scientist, I will not work with American scientists, go to American conferences, publish in American journals, or promote my American colleagues anymore.
I will not buy American products anymore as much as I possibly can.
You are living in a fascist state and all of you are complicit in allowing it to happen.
Rebatu
I will also lobby to my political representatives to join a antiUS coalition in any way I can.
OaksParcel
I'm Canadian. I reduced my purchase of US made shit by at least 95%.
See a product
Check the pack
If it's Yankee
Put it back
williamshakesbeer
I have as well, it's really shitty that theres a lot of US products that lie on their packaging as being Canadian. Loblaws and Nofrills aren't helping either with falsely tagging products as Canadian
n0n53n53
"all of you are complicit in allowing it to happen" Oh STFU there. This holier than thou "unless you're going on suicide missions against ICE you're allowing it" BS needs to stop.
Why did it take you 3 years to get rid of Milošević ? What were you personally doing during that time?
Rebatu
Also, Milosevic is not the same.
You are thinking about NDH - the Nazi puppet state created during ww2 that killed jews, serbs, and gypsies.
The Partizans were invented here and your military books teach our tactics on how to fight guerilla warfare based on what we, the people, did to the occupying nazi state.
Rebatu
You are misinformed. The entire war lasted 3 years.
Our fathers were fighting it and my generation was cleaning up the post war crap.
We immediately fought as soon as our freedom was being threatened.
We bled for our freedom. You are standing there and watching it being taken away.
n0n53n53
I think maybe you are misinformed. The Croatian War of Independence lasted almost 5 years. It started with attacks on Croatian police by Serbs. The people didn't fight the JNA in the streets, the military did.
Rebatu
The Croatian homeland war started 1991 and ended 1994.
The diplomatic process lasted till late 1995 but the fighting was pretty much over about the time I was born.
You have obviously no clue about that war if you think the military was the only factor here.
Also a huge chunk of the military were volunteers.
Why are you not writing to your state governor to start a coalition and cut off from the fed govt?
Arbitrarynamehere
Remember when Russia invaded Ukraine and everyone was like "Russians should stop Putin"
Rebatu
They did try and stop Putin, and still are.
You have zero clue on what is happening in Russia.
They cant compare situations. The US citizens have enough guns to start ww3 on their own.
n0n53n53
Yeha and the ones who stepped forward went missing. If you're all for fighting armed mobs of low IQ, high on meth, idiots with guns, you go first.
Arbitrarynamehere
What's the solution man
n0n53n53
who the hell knows, honestly. I think we're all just lost right now. The people going to the streets and making noise, outnumbering the ICE agents are helping though. It might not seem like it but we've seen the cowards leave when there's enough opposition. They will get tired of the long hours, bad weather, hoards of people shouting at them. I don't know where it goes from here though
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
keep watching and recording. im sure that will help one of these days.
LicensedAdHominem
Gotta provide the nazis some wank material for when they exterminate all trans people with nigh zero violent resistance.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
ross has been made a right wing celebrity for shooting good in the face. hes made thousands in donations.
LicensedAdHominem
Yup. If it's not a recording of ICE getting shot, it won't help.
Daemencer
Are you being sarcastic?
thatunpleasantfeeling
That's literally how journalism has worked in all of human history, and is an important part of the issue. You can't expect everyone to have the equipment and willingness to fight crazed gunmen.
KleptoKea
It is important, but Americans do also need to grow a collective spine if they want to protect their children from growing up in a Nazi dictatorship.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
amercans cant be bothered to protect their kids in school.
HowlingRollercoaster2
People have been shot by ice several times before Renee Good, the difference being it wasn't as well documented on video. They have made the same arguments the other times to avoid accountability and it worked because the public didn't have the proof to refute it. We should be doing more, I agree, but the problem with decent people is we don't go shooting unless we are sure it's unavoidable -unlike ICE. These videos is how you get to real action.
yamamasyamaha
If you hadn’t seen any recordings, what would you believe? How would you know anything?
It’s not the *only* thing to do, but recording the atrocities you witness is the only way the people will know what is happening. People see. Anger is growing. Resistance is mounting
Are you saying people shouldn’t record? What’s the alternative, just believe the states’ story?
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
no, people shouldnt record. they should shoot the people oppressing them, without recording video evidence. buy a shotgun. protect your neighbors.
MoePester
You're a moron.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
youre a coward
yamamasyamaha
It’s not our fault you don’t understand the importance of the press and freedom of information
Wartime reporters are the only reason we kneo what happened in Gaza, in Ukraine, in Myanmar, in Minneapolis, on January 6.
If we didn’t have reporters recording, peopl like you wouldn’t even know to grab your shotgun
oukid
You go first.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
i already have.
Firestar002
Show us proof.
twinkwtp
Calling BS
Hrothnaar
pritolus
Visibility is super important. Without the recordings of Good's murder you wouldn't have the protests we've seen since, and the more people you can get to a protest the more people you can organize to actually push back. People towing illegally parked ICE cars, groups of legally armed civilians standing their ground against ICE, agents being doxxed and made to feel unsafe in their homes.
But that's not happening if nobody can see what ICE is doing.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
what have those protests accomplished so far? there has been no towing of illegally parked ice vehicles. the one video people reference is from july in california. ICE agent records are public info. it isnt doxxing if its freely available. all thats happened as a result of the Good video is that Ross has been made a right wing celebrity and is now rich. hes received thousands in donations.
pritolus
A movement isn't made in a day. It feels like you didn't read my comment, because I explained what the protests accomplish. I didn't claim ICE cars are being towed, I mentioned it as an example of ways to push back. But next to nobody will push back alone, and the giant protests show that they're not alone. The protests don't usually effect immediate change, but they are an important step on the path to change. Stop being so defeatist.
GravyEducation
So what neighborhood in Minneapolis you live in?
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
i dont live in minneapolis. ice raids dont happen in my town because we shot them when they tried.
Firestar002
Where was this?
twinkwtp
"My town" and "we" being used makes me think BS. What town? What did YOU do specifically? Since you want to shit on others.
In a country where journalists cover up the truth, its the sharing of video and information that is most important so peoppe are ready. Especially for those who feel them are safe from danger...
GravyEducation
As a wise imgurian once said, and I'll never forget, if free speech online did nothing, they wouldn't be trying to stop it. This goes for cams too. The more there is, the harder it is to dispute. And side note, I don't like when people online go the route of argument "oh you're not doing anything" from an armchair. K let's put you on that street then. It helps no one to say "you're not doing enough." Allies don't say that. They provide substantial help. Peace y'all, from Minneapolis
Firestar002
People online are the ears that hear and the eyes that see.
GravyEducation
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
and then what?
Firestar002
For one: it means someone is listening to you. As for ‘then what’, do you know HOW certain things become ‘viral’? By getting passed around the internet, by sharing it with others. Every ‘like’ pushes a video one step closer to the top of the page.
You wanna know why being a ‘keyboard warrior’ is so enticing? Because you can see the results of your efforts within a day or two.
LokilairTTV
How would anyone even be able to answer that if there wasn't people recording to know what happened. Don't move the goal post. Because the answer you seek varies from encounter to encounter. Context matters, but how would we have any context if no one recorded in the first place?
So ill ask you the same, what do YOU think should come next now that YOU know whats happening thanks to people recording?