Feel free to roast me, but I dislike Nolan movies. They look incredible but are so poorly written. So, I skipped this slog. But, remember folks, this isnt a commentary on you. You had nothing to do with them.
Many of the oldest were just rehashes of Sumerian texts at that. They get really mad when you tell them that. Even more angry when you tell them according to their religion Nana is not an Angel, she's stuck in her rotting corpse underground until Jesus supposedly comes back, and that's the same Jesus that went to hell when he died for 3 days according to their doctrine.
i'm not sure that newspapers were around 1900 years ago, and the German Workers Party (later becoming the nazis) was only founded in 1919. boy, i like your spirit! but you gotta keep your eye on the ball, eye? ball? eyeball! almost had a gag son, joke that is!
Yeah, sorry, my brain thought it was about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" or something, which was a known fake around 1900. Thank Goddess it's Friday, apparently I need it!
The script at the beginning was very awkward and weird. And then it got better. Like the initial exposition part of the story was so odd. Great watch otherwise
I had one tell me that they dug up her gravesite in the 1800s and that I was the r-word for not knowing that. There’s no stupid like so stupid you don’t even realize you’re stupid.
Yep plays Sinon, a character not in Homer's original but was present at the battle of Troy in Virgil's Aeneid. That is probably way way too woke for the maga chuds to understand.
If they really cared about the authentic Homer's Odyssey, they'd have it read to them outloud, no moving picture screen, no special effects, no casting, just a poet wearing a blindfold reading it out to them... while they're getting shitfaced on wine, and when the poem is over, they'd go do some violence, beat the shit out of each other, and fornicate in the temple of Aphrodite
it's really surreal listening to people whine about a movie based on a story featuring greek gods, sirens, a cyclops, and a 6 headed serpent not being "historically accurate"
I loved it. The Cyclops sequence was the only thing I didn't like about it, a lot of good moments were cut out to make it into a generic horror sequence.
I've heard nothing but good things from regular, everyday people. You know, not the terminally online, hypercritical of everything shitheads. Apparently worth the extra to see if in imax. I'm going on Monday afternoon and I can't wait.
As someone with a masters in classical literature, I found it good. It was always gonna be different than the original work, you simply can't take a story like that and 1:1 it to the big screen in front of a modern audience. Classical literature takes genuine effort to understand and appreciate - the movie didn't, and that's a good thing.
Yes, go see it with low expectations for what it is and just enjoy it. The cinematography, the acting, the score, the practical effects, the sets, the costumes, … all top notch “big screen” event.
The costumes are such shit though. Why does everyone look like they are coming out of a biker bar dressed in black leather? They row around in a freaking Viking longship. It’s rubbish and looks dark all the time.
But the casting controversy is such an essential part of the marketing hype nowadays. If it didn't arise naturally, one would almost suspect studios might be tempted to astroturf it.
It was clearly a choice. You can’t be critical of the movie without being accused of racism. And there are armies of well intentioned liberals out there making posts like the OP daily.
It's an alleged adaptation of the Odyssey that cuts the Nobody scene. You know, the most famous stratagem of the man of many stratagems this movie is supposedly about. The crucial scene for Odysseus's characterization as a brilliant strategist laid low by a moment of hubris, which both directly causes his decade of suffering Poseidon's wrath and informs his habit of concealing his identity from that point forward even when doing so wouldn't actually benefit him.
That might possibly bear some vague resemblance to a joke, and Nolan can't have any of that in his Super Serious Movie For Grown-Ups, never mind that being in the story for the last 3,000 years.
Their argument is that Greek people are white and boy howdy that would be a shock to hear for most Greek people. As living in a society that encouraged being outdoors in the middle of the Mediterranean did not exactly encourage pale skin and that 0 Africans could possibly be around despite it being a couple hundred miles away across the damn sea. Almost as close as Cuba is to Florida. And all of that is if we ignore ITS A MYTH!
Regarding Helen specifically, the text does describe her as being "white-arm'd". https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/6130/pg6130-images.html However, as I pointed out in another thread, scholars broadly don't take that to mean that she was being biologically described as what we'd now call caucasian. "white-arm'd" does tend to imply that she wasn't in the sun often (not someone who had to labor) and had blemish free skin, in other words beautiful and aristocratic.
They cast, horror of all horrors, a black woman as Hellen of Troy. The woman so beautiful men went to war is played by Lupita Nyong'o. A fucking gorgeous woman.
idiotsonfire
Its a bot army. These bots just accept programming from grifters.
CobainsSarcoma
it's funny because just a few years ago, they were experts in epidemiology
EMHPicardo
duktayp
Teh fox news tells meh wat 2 thinc 🤡
EMHPicardo
johnblood616
Feel free to roast me, but I dislike Nolan movies. They look incredible but are so poorly written. So, I skipped this slog. But, remember folks, this isnt a commentary on you. You had nothing to do with them.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
thats why the have such strong feelings. if they could read, they wouldn't.
Madalchemist2018
What you talkin bout poetry this is a war history movie that the woke mob is trying to fill with a bunch of forieners.
Munchman347
People with no founding in the sciences are terrified of 'Dark Matter' in any form... 🤔🤯
CrazyGingerAle
they just really wanna see a buff shiny half naked man on screen
randomwalrus
Just wait until they find out about the ancient Sumerian epic about Gilgamesh, and his hetero lifemate Enkidu.
januarylover
They were roommates!
GlenL
But did you hear the guy they hired to play the cylcops has two eyes???
januarylover
I upvoted, but I heard they cast a puppet (which I guess is safer than risking the wrath of the cyclops community).
friendsofsandwiches
For some reason, I think of the cyclops from Krull.
BlastyMcBlastblast
wait until you find out how those thicky thicky dumb dumbs feel about 1900 year old jewish scrolls and letters!
Lordenki40
Many of the oldest were just rehashes of Sumerian texts at that. They get really mad when you tell them that. Even more angry when you tell them according to their religion Nana is not an Angel, she's stuck in her rotting corpse underground until Jesus supposedly comes back, and that's the same Jesus that went to hell when he died for 3 days according to their doctrine.
trinxter
reusing stories for fun and profit
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BlastyMcBlastblast
i'm not sure that newspapers were around 1900 years ago, and the German Workers Party (later becoming the nazis) was only founded in 1919. boy, i like your spirit! but you gotta keep your eye on the ball, eye? ball? eyeball! almost had a gag son, joke that is!
michiyl
Yeah, sorry, my brain thought it was about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" or something, which was a known fake around 1900. Thank Goddess it's Friday, apparently I need it!
BlastyMcBlastblast
don't feel too bad! and don't feel you need to delete stuff, its only the internet after all! :)
ThatDirtyOldMan
damnit! I see him saying it !
khun2
I loved the Odyssey. I read it several times... and now, seeing the trailer, I'm sad...
Hatlled
I can do a limerick..
There once was a poet named Homer
Who was a bit of a loner
He wrote about Troy and Helen- oh boy
And gave every guy a boner.
SwissScars
Read the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid in 1968, aged 13. By this time I really couldn't tLotR again!
hwatL4bloopy
The script at the beginning was very awkward and weird. And then it got better. Like the initial exposition part of the story was so odd. Great watch otherwise
Artoris
You would have strong feelings too if you didn't ever understand what was going on.
Shoutrr
just so you know, people reading at third grade level can't grasp the general idea of a text.
philmoregraves
Ancient Greek poems that they never read
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
I had one tell me that they dug up her gravesite in the 1800s and that I was the r-word for not knowing that. There’s no stupid like so stupid you don’t even realize you’re stupid.
foxpotate
They don't until told to, their opinions are distributed to them by their Epstein billionaire cabal funded influencers.
lighterletter
It's probably bots too rage baiting the application for engagement like this post
slopwizard
They are all NPCs with DLC dialogue updates. I mean literally, they are not using any cognition whatsoever
lostlittletimeonthis
Most of their arguments are based off the movie Troy with Brad Pitt
jayman0123
I missed something. Is there someone mad about a movie?
davebarton315101
Elon hates it because it has nonwhite people, wait until he finds out about Jesus!
OneMoreLime
They cast a person of color as Helen of Troy and all the usual suspects lost their minds.
Qaetan
Wouldn't it be lovely if that anti-woke crowd stopped waking up? I'm just asking them to walk their talk.
buttcreambandit
I’ve seen more rage over Elliot as Achilles
Svimbi
And then it turned out he doesn’t even play Achilles
barontaint
Yep plays Sinon, a character not in Homer's original but was present at the battle of Troy in Virgil's Aeneid. That is probably way way too woke for the maga chuds to understand.
MorkandGork
How about people who grew up with and studied those poems for years in school? Are they allowed to have strong feelings about your garbage?
lightfoot2
Yep. The number of bots who know how greek poems work is fascinating!
TheMoonBnuuy
If they really cared about the authentic Homer's Odyssey, they'd have it read to them outloud, no moving picture screen, no special effects, no casting, just a poet wearing a blindfold reading it out to them... while they're getting shitfaced on wine, and when the poem is over, they'd go do some violence, beat the shit out of each other, and fornicate in the temple of Aphrodite
InitHello
Sounds like a damned good time to me.
akefay
Affray
Imalwaysready
They’d have recited them from memory.
Samthetrue
... can we sign up for this?
sfrinlan
Don't threaten me with a good time
Wishbone1977
Just to be pedantic, if the poet is wearing a blindfold he's not reading it to them, he's reciting it from memory.
Z0op
Written on the inside of the blindfold, duh
Idontneedrealfacts
What if it's written in braile?
Wishbone1977
What's the blindfold for then?
nesurame
it's being recited by poor poor polyphemus, who lost his only eye and now has to recite poems about nobody, just to get by
Mogslie
Gotta feel it with your eyeballs
GravyEducation
I watched the Simpsons, I can have opinions about Homer
PetricusGaming
They probably haven't even thought about it since grade school when it was assigned reading (which they didn't do)
samanthadlcruz
cliff notes were the AI of the 1960s!!!
PileOfWalthers
O Brother Where Art Thou was a better Odyssey movie.
420supercoolusername69
5v4297j9fj1
Yeah, great movie with great actors AND great music.
samanthadlcruz
it's really surreal listening to people whine about a movie based on a story featuring greek gods, sirens, a cyclops, and a 6 headed serpent not being "historically accurate"
CaptainScarfish
Let's pause for a moment to consider that they got their panties in a twist about black Helen, but not white Odysseus. 🤔
samanthadlcruz
where is the outrage over white jesus in.... literally everything they've ever depicted him in?
januarylover
Helen of Troy was half-swan FFS. Why is Hollywood afraid to cast half-bird-women??
ArtisanFartisan
slopwizard
It's the same crew that was shitting their pants over an "inaccurate" black mermaid
AtLeastImWearingUnderwear
Crying that Helen is black and that's not accurate while ignoring her mother supposedly *checks notes* a fucking swan
CorrectMostOfTheTime
The real question, is she hott? That’s all that matters
samanthadlcruz
yeah... but it was a WHITE swan... checkmate atheists!!!
DecapodianSaysWoopWoopWoopWoop
Is the movie any good? I don't care for the "casting controversy".
doodlydoofus
I loved it. The Cyclops sequence was the only thing I didn't like about it, a lot of good moments were cut out to make it into a generic horror sequence.
somebackup
Nolan's worst imo, but that is still better than the majority of movies released in a year.
MadamPuddifoot
I've heard nothing but good things from regular, everyday people. You know, not the terminally online, hypercritical of everything shitheads. Apparently worth the extra to see if in imax. I'm going on Monday afternoon and I can't wait.
Goldensands
As someone with a masters in classical literature, I found it good. It was always gonna be different than the original work, you simply can't take a story like that and 1:1 it to the big screen in front of a modern audience. Classical literature takes genuine effort to understand and appreciate - the movie didn't, and that's a good thing.
LubaTergenyev365
Yes, go see it with low expectations for what it is and just enjoy it. The cinematography, the acting, the score, the practical effects, the sets, the costumes, … all top notch “big screen” event.
Imjurbro
The costumes are such shit though. Why does everyone look like they are coming out of a biker bar dressed in black leather? They row around in a freaking Viking longship. It’s rubbish and looks dark all the time.
winkyroomba
Yes. It’s good.
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
But the casting controversy is such an essential part of the marketing hype nowadays. If it didn't arise naturally, one would almost suspect studios might be tempted to astroturf it.
Imjurbro
It was clearly a choice. You can’t be critical of the movie without being accused of racism. And there are armies of well intentioned liberals out there making posts like the OP daily.
bonetonelord
It's an alleged adaptation of the Odyssey that cuts the Nobody scene. You know, the most famous stratagem of the man of many stratagems this movie is supposedly about. The crucial scene for Odysseus's characterization as a brilliant strategist laid low by a moment of hubris, which both directly causes his decade of suffering Poseidon's wrath and informs his habit of concealing his identity from that point forward even when doing so wouldn't actually benefit him.
NotSupposedToArgue
What…. Nobody’s not in it!!! That’s my main reason for going!! That’s by far my favorite part of the story!! Fuck.
bonetonelord
That might possibly bear some vague resemblance to a joke, and Nolan can't have any of that in his Super Serious Movie For Grown-Ups, never mind that being in the story for the last 3,000 years.
adamlstf9
I’m so out of the loop: what casting controversy?
Babomonkey
There are people in it who are not white male american christians
pluralone
I had to Google it. Used "odyssey casting controversy". Be prepared to roll your eyes. A lot.
ArcherPointingFromTheComments
The usual bigoted bullshit. Republicans are bothered that black people and trans people exist.
sfrinlan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/every-controversy-surrounding-christopher-nolans-the-odyssey-from-casting-to-costumes/ar-AA287CPT
Mainly that Helen of Troy is played by a black woman. I think that's getting the most hate. Secondarily, Elliot Page as Sinon and Travis Scott as a Greek bard.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Their argument is that Greek people are white and boy howdy that would be a shock to hear for most Greek people. As living in a society that encouraged being outdoors in the middle of the Mediterranean did not exactly encourage pale skin and that 0 Africans could possibly be around despite it being a couple hundred miles away across the damn sea. Almost as close as Cuba is to Florida. And all of that is if we ignore ITS A MYTH!
JBloodthorn
Keep in mind, your logic only convinces people who don't get headaches from basic math problems.
adamlstf9
“Math is hard!” - some dumb fucks.
sfrinlan
Regarding Helen specifically, the text does describe her as being "white-arm'd". https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/6130/pg6130-images.html However, as I pointed out in another thread, scholars broadly don't take that to mean that she was being biologically described as what we'd now call caucasian. "white-arm'd" does tend to imply that she wasn't in the sun often (not someone who had to labor) and had blemish free skin, in other words beautiful and aristocratic.
khaoselement
They cast, horror of all horrors, a black woman as Hellen of Troy. The woman so beautiful men went to war is played by Lupita Nyong'o. A fucking gorgeous woman.
JBloodthorn
She's the daughter of Zeus. The dumbshits think Zeus can turn into a platypus but can't turn into a black man?
khaoselement
It is JUST racism. That's all it is.
JBloodthorn
Yeah, seriously. No thought behind their words.