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Not linking it because the fluff piece is the usual "We inherented a fantastic economy and quality of life due to socialism and the hard work of the generation beforehand, dismantled it all to enrich the already wealthy, and gosh darn it you kids and your avocado toast and pac-man and hip-hop music just need to pull yourselves up by the bootstraps that we stole".
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Edit to add: Don't care that she was technically born after the Boomer generation, this is prime Boomer shit right here.
OhIfIMust
Oh shut the fuck up.
InablueMule
I went in a 4 Bucks 20 yrs. ago
blooocean
just might as well lecture millenials and genZs “Just stop being poor!”
futhor
If I just buy literally 1 million fewer Americanos I can own a home. So simple.
Nim449
Oh look, it's "FORTUNE" magazine. Yet another shill rag for billionaires.
GarmBlack
If I bought coffee EVERY DAY (which I don't) and spent $7 per coffee (which I don't) and suddenly stopped, I would have an extra 2500ish a year. Which is about 1.3 months of rent in my area, or if I invested that (which wouldn't be a full year since I would only be investing $7 per day over the year) I would have an extra... $130, assuming a fairly average rate of return.
thundercactus
Your mistake was not saving for your house since you were 8. In your previous life.
00110001001110010011100000110100
I'd like to have the economy from thirty years ago again, maybe not all the politics but sure as hell the money side.
AlwaysCloudyInGermany
Stop buying Starbucks coffee is always correct, even if you have no money problems.
DYLANLEE79
I bought my house about 17 years ago during the last housing market crash and crisis. It's valued at about 500% what I paid for it 17 years ago. I cannot afford any other house in my neighborhood or even close to where I now live. I could not afford to buy my current house at its current valuation. And it's not even a great asset, even though it appreciated so much because I can't afford to sell it and take any of the equity because then where would I live?
OldNternetWizard43
Somewhere else. This is a landgrab, welcome to how it works. And most of y'all sit still for good reason but while you are you need to be reaching down somehow still
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
“Oh no, I accidentally spent $15 on a cup of coffee, now I'll never afford a $1.1 million 2 bedroom house!”
jackal696
Holy 15 bucks on a coffee.... I would just bring a campstove with water and make own
intaglioguy
Stop trying to divert responsibility for the absolutely abusive lack of living wages being the reason people can't afford to buy houses -and it's because you and your fellow mentally sick greedy mutherfuckers keep screwing over wage earners left and right.
TORQD
"...by the bootstraps we stole." Fekkin hell, chef's kiss for that summary alone.
UncleMartha
My favorite thing about the bootstraps phrase is that it was originally meant as a critique of the absurd notion that people could do any such thing.
https://uselessetymology.com/2019/11/07/the-origins-of-the-phrase-pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps/
nclu
She looks like someone who has a weekly scheduled avocado toast enema
sarabear
How else is she supposed to get food into her body? Surely can’t fit anything in past those fuckin thoroughbred veneers
zsefvgb
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bTdudHdyNTdrdzd6bmo3dngwYTY2ejF3eDRiOW5nc2Juc21ndGc2OSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/P2rXqhWkJQe4w/200w.webp
ArchonIlladrya
"Stop being a stupid cunt," I advise.
Imustntrunaway
See, we ought to say this aloud. These monsters are used to being able to just say whatever they want about everyone else without pushback. Fuck that. Call them stupid and uneducated. Call them *weird*, because apparently they hate that. Say that you wish you the time to waste being as hateful and nosy as they are.
Stop playing nice, stop treating it as if it was good faith. It never was.
wabitgirl
Meh, I honestly think we've passed the point of pretending that we can have reasonable, civil discourse with these omnicidal sociopaths. Genuinely, I think we should start at the richest of them, start executing them publicly, and see how long it takes for the rest of them to stop being such stupendous cunts. I think the alacrity with which they manage to manufacture at least a facsimile of humanity might surprise people.
subtletomato
30 years ago, in 1996? When gas was like a $1.20something, houses were cheap, and inflation wasn't getting driven up over and over again by stupid wars, crisis after crisis and poor governance? wtf....
MagnumRadhard
I dooooo agree with the Starbucks part... https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1b2loNTQ3dGhyaDM2dDh1OXVsMmo2enBvb3p0a29kY2Fid3NhN3FzOSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l1J9uD4Mdst5egmM8/200w.webp
Relqi
Please stop buying Starbucks coffee, but not to save money. Their coffee is gross and their business practices are disgusting.
StupidCanadianWolfBird
GlenL
The CEO of a real estate group doesn't know how buying a house works . . .
VulcanTourist
This really has nothing to do with when a person was born. It has everything to do with greed and not caring about anyone else's situation because they've already gotten theirs.
DiracsDelta
I managed to get a mortgage on a condo 4 years ago, about 29 years after my dad bought their current house.
I asked about his loan and old income to get perspective and decide if I should buy or not. His mortgage payment as a percentage of income was within 1% of mine (almost identical numbers across a ton of metrics that were isolated from inflation).
The big difference: he was a public high school teacher and I was a level 3 electrical engineer.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
somebody should beat her with a starbucks coffee
Yasashii93
Well, shit, you know, I actually don’t buy Starbucks coffee. I make my own coffee.
And I don’t eat avocado toast either, as I don’t really like avocado very much.
And I still have to live with my parents at 33. Go figure.
CrackBabyJimsFamousGermanShepherdPie
What the heck is wrong with avocado toast? Avocados are not that expensive nor is bread.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
"stop eating avocado toast" was a common retort from the privileged class whenever millennials would criticize that we were struggling to afford our basic necessities all throughout the 2010s.
akafluffy
avocados Are pretty expensive, the boomers don't want to let you eat anything more expensive than onions and potatoes.
CrackBabyJimsFamousGermanShepherdPie
Actually where I am, avocados are not that expensive. They are on par with onions per volume (when on sale). Not so much with potatoes but still.
akafluffy
when they're on sale, but not when onions are on sale. Also, more of the avocado is not food than the onion, so even if they were the same price per weight (which, let's be real, they aren't) they're more expensive.
CaptSchmidtGaming
If I were Starbucks Marketing dept. I would lean into the whole " you can't afford a house anyway.... Enjoy a starbucks"
wabitgirl
They are. We should burn their stores to the fucking ground in response. Not a joke, not sarcasm.
When capitalist entities like a corporation utilize mockery of our poverty to try and sell us their product, we should consider that violence. They are both normalizing keeping us in poverty, and trying to capitalize on our poverty for their profit. That is a death cult ideology, and we NEED to start treating it as such. They don't care if we die, as long as they profit. Time to act like it.
akafluffy
Yeah, we really need to recognize when they say let them eat cake to our faces and react appropriately.
pancreas
true. these people be like "remove all the tiny joys from your life, and maybe you can own a house in 10 years"
akafluffy
lol jk, while you were living your life of joyless drudgery we doubled the price of everything again so you are no closer to buying a home after 5 years than you are today.
jj86
"Stop buying everything corporate" are words we should all live by.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Sure but blaming the purchase of petty luxuries as the reason why people cannot afford their basic necessities is at best monumentally ignorant of the problem at hand and at worse maliciously invalidating the struggles of the working class.
OldNternetWizard43
Your petty luxuries right now are someone else's survival and yes we are responsible for each other
Families are starving in Michigan because someone in Birmingham is still buying clothes seasonally like that matters right now
TheDoctorCrankenstein
The enemy isn't a fellow worker partaking of the labor of their local community. Families in Michigan are NOT starving because someone in Alabama bought some clothes they liked. The enemy is the owning class who is preventing you from accessing the resources that are readily available in your community.
Where is your solidarity?
OldNternetWizard43
My solidary is with the anti-working class. If you're still on board the employment train you're behind
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Spoken like a true idiot who has no clue what terms mean.
mrthewhitee
Every time I hear someone reference pulling yourself up by your boot straps, I'm reminded that the original saying meant - to ask someone to do something completely and obviously impossible.
choppedliveraldente
You can eat em. Checkmate
MassiveCollisionY
Ironically, asking them to actually evaluate that sentence and realize that, is equally and obviously impossible
HandoB4Javert
Shitbuttfartpoopasscrapturdpissqueef
Pull your boots up with your self straps
modis
Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps has the same effectiveness as a cartoon character struggling to pull open a door that they are standing on, but pulling in the upwards direction just sounds better, doesn’t it?
UncleMartha
You got it.
https://uselessetymology.com/2019/11/07/the-origins-of-the-phrase-pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps/
MrAcurite
Note; the meaning of "bootstrapping" in computing is partially in reference to doing something that seems impossible: having the compiler for a language be written that language and then compile itself. Per a Ken Thompson anecdote, Doug McIlroy wrote, on a sheet of paper, a TMG compiler in TMG, hand computed the output of applying it to itself, typed the resulting assembly into a PDP-7, and got it to work. Not usually how you do it, but sick as Hell nonetheless.
BeaverOnFire
Please. All you need to do is invert gravity. Any low level god should be able to do that. https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cmRqNGpvNTI1dzg0d3c2OTdsdTJzNGtid3BxcXdzcjU3cmJoYnFrMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3oAt21Fnr4i54uK8vK/200w.webp
WoeToHice
Pfft, what an attitude. You should strive to emulate Baron Münchhausen. If he was able to get himself and his horse out of a swamp by pulling his own hair, you can pull youself up by your boot straps!
wabitgirl
If I recall, he was also able to launch himself over the enemy walls by using a chain attached to a cannon ball that was fired from a cannon. I don't know about most of it, but firing cannons at the rich seems like a great idea.
Einstein9073
You may also be pleased with the results we would get from wrapping a chain around the rich and then firing the chain out of a cannon
wabitgirl
And here I was, thinking that chains were only really useful for keel hauling! I love the internet
NemoPseudonymWuzHere
This sounds like we're going to need the largest possible sample size to eliminate any possible outliers, and multiple independently run experiments for verification.
Ya know. For Science.
slamEVIL
I don't know, we run a risk of them landing in another cannon and then being fired back. Best to just have them beheaded... Sultan-style.
GrandmasterSpank
Born in 1971, so she is GenerationX.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Boomers shat in our skulls when we were kids and some Xers never cleaned that shit out. So now when they open their mouths, boomer shit falls out.
GrandmasterSpank
Boomers used to be hippies want wanted to change the world for the better. And then did the opposite. GenX pretended not to 'rage against the machine' but voted en masse for Trump (!) in the 2024 election. It's just a matter for time and then Millennials will start to vote hardcore conservative. I think it's not generation vs generation. Boomer vs GenX vs GenY vs GenZ. I think it;s old people vs young people. Young people want progress, old people want to step on the break and kill progress.
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
If it walks like a Boomer and talks like a Boomer then its a Boomer.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ejkwY3N0dXliMXBndzBiZXRpdGx5MGZib2I3anIxcTc3enZ1NzRpaCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/PnggNmuamz7kbgfUTL/200w.webp
GrandmasterSpank
Then 'boomer' becomes slang for 'old people', which is fine by me.... but that means sooner or later your generation will become 'boomers' as well.
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
She is my generation. Most of us Gen Xers are not boomers, she definitely is.
davemUnderscoreOr
Words. What do they even mean?
GrandmasterSpank
As a GenX I'm sorry to say you're wrong. GenX overwhelmingly voted for Trump. We are the 'boomers'. But it will happen to Millennials too. 20 years from now they will vote extremely conservative. And 20 years after that GenZ will vote hardcore Republican crap. It;s sad but old people become conservative nutjobs. Not you, not me, but the average person.. yep.
cgt9803
Yeah, turns out a house is more than 100,000 coffees. Are MBAs that bad at math or just adept at lying.
akafluffy
ADEPT at lying? The only one who believes their stupid lies is them, that actually makes them really bad at lying.
tzahtman
As far as I can tell MBAs have little to know real hurdles, academically or otherwise, and anyone that can afford tuition can obtain one. I'm sure some schools have a good reputation for it but overall they seem to be a dime a dozen as far as graduate degrees go.
OperatorWay
> cgt9803 : "Yeah, turns out a house is more than 100,000 coffees. Are MBAs that bad at math or just adept at lying."
They're great at math when it comes to making the rich richer by robbing everyone else.
They're bad liars but both mainstream media & social media spread such lies/propaganda unquestioningly.
malachilenomade
I don't think she's lying so much as delusional.
Karilyn
Technically an FHA loan only requires 3.5% down payment. Which is only a "mere" 3500 coffees.
cousteau
Just skip your daily Starbucks, and you'll have saved enough to buy a house by the time you're 300 years old.
sadurdaynight
They know what they're doing. It's pushing conspicuous consumption onto modern generations, keeping up with the Jones, and making people feel like shit if they can't. They keep setting the bar at a family with a house and kids, bc that keeps pushing the american dream and makes folks sacrifice their down time with grind/hustle culture trying to keep up. Lot of folks are struggling, but these vultures push media articles making people think they're not doing something right when it's the system.
69thStPepper
Yes
boobsalot
So that 4167 days of coffees to buy a house.
akafluffy
good news, the housing market is doubling faster than that, so after not having your mochafraphalfcafnon-soydoublefoam for 2083 days you only have 4167 days left to save up.
TomBrokaw
for additional context, 100,000 daily coffees is a little less than 274 years, weekends included.
Now, I get what they're trying to imply, which is that you should cut out unnecessary and overpriced "indulgences" if you want to save up for a house, but like avocado toast it's a terrible example. Also, the whole suggestion of austerity isn't really great - life is for living, not surviving. These are the same people who will tell you to "live a little" if you hesitate to indulge around them.
MKESewerRat
It's a message for other boomers to soothe their anxiety when children and grandchildren can't reach their own quality of life. Starbucks is the go-to because Boomers remember coffee as costing a nickel, so clearly Starbucks is a scam and it's therefore our fault for not buying nickel coffee.
HandsomePenguin
Whats that? Its time to start hunting the ultra wealthy like game animals?
NChomsky
meatballdreamer
wabitgirl
Nah, way too respectful and gamified. Time to round them up, strip them of all assets, and put them in camps, like they've done to immigrants and prisoners for years. Then, on a weekly basis, we take a few of them out, and execute them publicly, preferably in the most horrifying ways possible. It would really behoove us to leave an indellible reminder in their collective psyche that we can and will remind them of the painful mortality they are beholden to. They seem to have forgotten.
HandsomePenguin
No. as long as they are alive there will be somoene willing to fight for them to get a taste of their money. End them fast, send a message.
wabitgirl
But their money literally does not exist. It's numbers in databases, not real world assets, in a lot of cases, and even the real world stuff is so distributed physically already that allowing local entities to seize it after the billionaires are detained is trivially simple. Or we could just fly drones into the engines of their privaye jets like they did in ministry for the futur
HandsomePenguin
I vote for the quicker the better.
DragonThunderUndertaking
The funny thing is I don't see people with starbucks the way I used too. I don't see lines wrapping around buildings to use the drive thrus. People aren't drinking starbucks as much in general... probably because they can't afford it in the first place.
Poppypoppoppop
Probably another sad reason about it. People not buying because they can't afford it, not because it isn't worth it.
cactusjuiceitsthequenchiest
I thought that was cause they're all lined up at Dutch Bros now?? /s but srsly thems lines is long
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
Seven Brew is very popular in my area and I see it a lot in IG posts as well. I’ll have to look into their company because they really have great coffee drinks AND a drive thru. That’s really all that is missing from small, local shops- drive thru windows.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"We should criminally underpay our employes and constantly make our products more expensive, so we will make huge profits. As long as we're the only ones doing it, people will still have enough money to buy our products and the economy won't collapse." - every company
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Also because Starbucks fucking sucks both taste wise and how they treat employees. Shop local
chewballs
Even if you can afford it, go to an independent place anyway
VerySunBurned
I only see old people at Starbucks. Source: Am old.
Rhythmaster
Starbucks is shit. Maybe that's why. Their coffee isn't good. Some of the sugary drinks are good but I'd still rather go to a local cafe instead
TheDreadPirateMontoya
Agreed, it's always better to go to a small local Café. They've got more to prove, so their coffee is usually wayyyy better.
Svartsinn
The illusion of "ethical company" has long since been dispelled to the layperson.
wabitgirl
Here's the real secret: We were never buying starbucks we couldn't afford. That's a lie made up by boomers to ignore the financial crisis that they very intentionally created to line their own pocket, at the cost of future generations having things like a functional economy and a democratic government (yes, fascism is tied to the financial crisis, no I will not explain in 500 character chunks). We are one of the most financially literate generations in history. It was never a literacy problem.
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
It’s always been my generation (X) supporting Starbucks. I know this because a large group of local women my age put one SB out of business during Iraq II because there was a request to send our local deployed troops coffee and SB refused. All of the protesters, as is true of most protests I attend, were women about my age. We were the ones with husbands and young sons overseas. It’s been our fault for ages that Starbucks does well.
Daliena06
Next up: "Millennials are killing Starbucks!"
RockHucker
Same with tells kids drugs n alcohol are bad then complain when alcohol sales drop by 40%
Markuspsyches
Wouldn't be surprised the headline reading "Millennials are killing your corner coffee shop!" and buried at least past the 3rd paragraph do they let slip the name of the coffee shop is Starbucks...
wabitgirl
Good, fuck em. Their drinks are trash, as is their corporation.
TheobromineAddict
Is Starbucks even opening new stores any more?
justfillingthespace
One just opened up in my little home town this past year. And another opened one town over just two or so years ago. They don't even realize they're already dead.
Whiskers7
Well, if you can afford it, a good coffee machine is $5-600. So instead of paying between $5-8 a coffee, you could grind and make your own MUCH BETTER coffee and cost about 50-80c. The machine would pay for itself in a few months, depending on how much you drink...
Or you can just be happy with instant, I know I was for the past 20 years. I've only recently made the switch to an espresso machine.
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
I kept reading that as five dollars to six hundred dollars and was trying to make sense of a “good machine” that costs $5. I did come up with thrifted or yard sale but even that would be AT LEAST $100, I think. LoL
It finally clicked in my head that you meant five hundred to six hundred dollars.
wabitgirl
And you're right back to boots theory.
https://terrypratchett.com/explore-discworld/sam-vimes-boots-theory-of-socio-economic-unfairness/
arikelrecords2000
So ignoring the effort and time to make it involved in only 4 months, it'll pay for itself if you drink coffee every morning.
If you're like me and drink once a week, it will only take about two years
That's actually not too bad.
It's better if you get a coffee machine at a thrift shop since they're pretty common there
Whiskers7
My sister's Breville has lasted their family 8 years. Tech has come a long way since then but they've found no reason to upgrade. It still makes great coffee.
DragonThunderUndertaking
I do prefer ground, but a normal coffee machine is fine. Even if I do instant I run the water through the coffee machine to make it.
Whiskers7
I do the same thing, but primarily because I ditched my kettle and have a jet boiler in my machine.
I'll make instant, first thing in the morning, because I won't appreciate ground coffee when I've just woken up. 3 seconds from turning it on to hot water coming out.