The Labrys wasn't just a connection to the Amazons that's a later usage. its origin is as an ancient Minoan religious symbol which was used for their mother goddess and some other goddesses. Many were used as votive offerings.. Some later Greeks used it with male gods, but the origin was a decidedly female symbol. With the connection to a mother goddess, it's not hard to see the symbolism of the double-bitted axe. It resembles female genitalia, the source of life.
I think more pride flags should have weapons on them. A trans trident. An ace AK47. A nonbinary nuke. A gay grenade. A bisexual bazooka. A queer quantum torpedo.
You love your guns more than your fellow citizen, looks like. Guns are for killing, in defence or in offense, in times of peace they are useless. I'm glad they are well regulated in the EU and our common culture here is not so violent. I had a gay friend in the french countryside, he had a hard time for being gay, the thing he needed for help was friendship, not guns. I've also been harassed by gays who liked my ass, i asked them politely and firmly to stop, and that was it. No violence needed.
Flags are for rallying, not threatening. If you can identify the group, you know what to expect. Some idiots think gays/lesbians are weaklings, let them find out ! I don't like this hateful timeline, i hope you can avoid civil war in the US, but you need to get rid of the evil scum by any means before they fuck up everything.
I'm not saying that, just putting weapons on flags is not giving a peace-loving image of the people it should represent. If it's an international flag used in less violent countries than the US, i doubt it would bear any meaning if it had a bazooka on it when it's in the streets is Europe, for example.
The black triangle was reclaimed by the LGBTQ+ community post WW2 (and was used for more than just Lesbians) along with the pink triangle. It was a counter-culture symbol that arose in the 1960s and 70s in predominately lesbian clubs on the West Coast.
The labrys also became a symbol for lesbians in the 1970s as well. It also has strong connection to matriarchal societies in Greece and the Mediterranean and considering the term Lesbian is linked with the Amazon women of Lesbos, you can see -
Also, AFAIK the double axe is still a popular symbol amongst lesbians. so, putting it on a flag doesn't seem to be that bad of an idea? Also, the inclusion of the black triangle tries to repurpose the symbol and take the power of interpretation away from the Nazis. Just like gay people in Germany purposfully chose a word meant as an insult to describe themselves. Like, "you cannot insult me by calling me 'schwul', because that's what I use to describe myself!"
how this thing came to be and while yes, Campbell is a MAN, he's a gay man who had a deep connection to the various LGBTQ+ movements in the 70s and was clearly drawing on that while also invoking feminist symbolism (which also took up the labrys and the color purple).
For someone who wrote "the book" on Pride, Freyja should probably know these things which makes me think "the book" on the history of Pride from them isn't worth picking up.
They somehow picked up the wrong message, and are selling it emphatically. Acting charismatic about something you know is off the mark. I can see how that would evoke a feeling/memory like that.
The black triangle was for asocials, a catchall for any group despised but not singled out by the Nazis; it include Romani, the mentally ill, alcoholics, and lesbians. Also, though not without controversy, LGTBQ+ advocacy groups reclaimed the pink triangle as a pride symbol decades ago. That this person is putting on a sensationalist faux-outrage at these symbols having Nazi origins means they're either an idiot or a liar. Either way you should not buy a history book from them.
I really thought this 'I'm gay and I'm stupid, hehe' shit was over a decade ago, but here it is back again. If you have never encounter the pink triangle as a queer symbol then you flatout do not know queer history at all and should be ashamed of yourself. It's all over the 20th century gay rights and AIDS activism. It's Nazi origins are not a secret; that's basic encyclopedia entry info. Being ignorant is not a noble political stance, you fucking child.
While the pink triangle was popular in the 70s and 80s it fell out of use and had been reused by neonazi groups. No one gets to tell *me* as a queer person that I have to accept a symbol as reclaimed, just like I can't stop them from wanting to use it. Between you and I, if I were ignorant at least I could learn. You, a piece of shit, will simply always stink <3
I actually think they got shadowbanned. I used the f-word in a comment a few months ago and suddenly couldn't post anymore and my comment history was erased. Ended up having to start a whole new account. Looks like the same thing might have happened to Nostalgiabird; all their comments are gone, even the other stupid one about how the Labrys is fascist symbolism because Roman fasces had axes in them.
Oh, that might be it. I had made a comment that I don't, as a gay man, really respect the term used but I'm not going to tell him he can't and that I wished he'd leave other gay people to do as they wish.
NostalgiaBird
Yeah my first thought on that first flag was Nazis. The fasces uses an axe with a bundle of sticks, and that symbol is for what fascism is named for.
PanNonOpticon
...created be a man. And that¨s not really the worst part...
What? Rainbow flag too was created by a man. Is rainbow flag bad too then?
ALpBeck
I have the necklace
ToSisPoS
Worst “pride” flag is that one southerners keep flapping.
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
Oh god, she looks exactly like a girl I used to date in the wayback.
DoktorWeasel
The Labrys wasn't just a connection to the Amazons that's a later usage. its origin is as an ancient Minoan religious symbol which was used for their mother goddess and some other goddesses. Many were used as votive offerings.. Some later Greeks used it with male gods, but the origin was a decidedly female symbol. With the connection to a mother goddess, it's not hard to see the symbolism of the double-bitted axe. It resembles female genitalia, the source of life.
bigbeefymanstick
Should have been crossed scissors
Zanzetuken
I knew it and a bit of the history, but still think it's a missed opportunity for Bi folks. "Swing both ways. Violently. With an axe!"
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Zanzetuken
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1aDkwanptdGttZ2cxNmVlNno4ZGZ6cmpvZjVwZmJpZ2JrNW8yZXR6OCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/9WXyFIDv2PyBq/200w.webp
Samthetrue
What ever... Just wash your hands
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
I think more pride flags should have weapons on them. A trans trident. An ace AK47. A nonbinary nuke. A gay grenade. A bisexual bazooka. A queer quantum torpedo.
Frencheeseater
You love your guns more than your fellow citizen, looks like. Guns are for killing, in defence or in offense, in times of peace they are useless. I'm glad they are well regulated in the EU and our common culture here is not so violent. I had a gay friend in the french countryside, he had a hard time for being gay, the thing he needed for help was friendship, not guns. I've also been harassed by gays who liked my ass, i asked them politely and firmly to stop, and that was it. No violence needed.
rbudrick
Queerntum torpedo? (obvious up yer butt joke is too easy)
RockTheBackblast
pan-continental missile?
Frencheeseater
Make love, not war ! I'm fine without weapons on flags, if we want less violence, we better start ourselves !
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
Its a threat. Start no violence, take no shit.
Frencheeseater
Flags are for rallying, not threatening. If you can identify the group, you know what to expect. Some idiots think gays/lesbians are weaklings, let them find out !
I don't like this hateful timeline, i hope you can avoid civil war in the US, but you need to get rid of the evil scum by any means before they fuck up everything.
Snuggetchamp
Telling a person being punched in the face to not punch back is both craven and cruel.
Frencheeseater
I'm not saying that, just putting weapons on flags is not giving a peace-loving image of the people it should represent.
If it's an international flag used in less violent countries than the US, i doubt it would bear any meaning if it had a bazooka on it when it's in the streets is Europe, for example.
KerryCoder
A bi-llista?
Samthetrue
A bi-dent? A bi-barian battle axe?
SlyMrFox
Bidents exist. Perfect allegory, imo.
Snuggetchamp
The black triangle was reclaimed by the LGBTQ+ community post WW2 (and was used for more than just Lesbians) along with the pink triangle. It was a counter-culture symbol that arose in the 1960s and 70s in predominately lesbian clubs on the West Coast.
The labrys also became a symbol for lesbians in the 1970s as well. It also has strong connection to matriarchal societies in Greece and the Mediterranean and considering the term Lesbian is linked with the Amazon women of Lesbos, you can see -
TraugottMiller
Also, AFAIK the double axe is still a popular symbol amongst lesbians. so, putting it on a flag doesn't seem to be that bad of an idea? Also, the inclusion of the black triangle tries to repurpose the symbol and take the power of interpretation away from the Nazis. Just like gay people in Germany purposfully chose a word meant as an insult to describe themselves. Like, "you cannot insult me by calling me 'schwul', because that's what I use to describe myself!"
Snuggetchamp
It absolutely fucking is and it was even moreso when it as put on the flag. And that's exactly what they were doing with the Black Triangle.
This is just a post 2000s queer trying to shit on queer history.
Snuggetchamp
how this thing came to be and while yes, Campbell is a MAN, he's a gay man who had a deep connection to the various LGBTQ+ movements in the 70s and was clearly drawing on that while also invoking feminist symbolism (which also took up the labrys and the color purple).
For someone who wrote "the book" on Pride, Freyja should probably know these things which makes me think "the book" on the history of Pride from them isn't worth picking up.
ItsMoreComplicatedThanThis
Fully agree. Her video seems more like marketing and less like education. And a further examples on the toopic of claiming smybols of persecution, this is the Logo of the VVN-BdA, the Association of Persecutees of the Nazi Regime – Federation of Antifascists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Persecutees_of_the_Nazi_Regime_%E2%80%93_Federation_of_Antifascists
PikpikCeleriac
I get bad vibes from them. I can't quantify it but they make me feel the same as some people who really hurt me and our friends at the time.
Teneksi
They somehow picked up the wrong message, and are selling it emphatically. Acting charismatic about something you know is off the mark. I can see how that would evoke a feeling/memory like that.
scrumbles666
The black triangle was for asocials, a catchall for any group despised but not singled out by the Nazis; it include Romani, the mentally ill, alcoholics, and lesbians. Also, though not without controversy, LGTBQ+ advocacy groups reclaimed the pink triangle as a pride symbol decades ago. That this person is putting on a sensationalist faux-outrage at these symbols having Nazi origins means they're either an idiot or a liar. Either way you should not buy a history book from them.
NostalgiaBird
Hi, faggot here! I don't think we've all that broadly tried reclaiming a Nazi symbol.
scrumbles666
I really thought this 'I'm gay and I'm stupid, hehe' shit was over a decade ago, but here it is back again. If you have never encounter the pink triangle as a queer symbol then you flatout do not know queer history at all and should be ashamed of yourself. It's all over the 20th century gay rights and AIDS activism. It's Nazi origins are not a secret; that's basic encyclopedia entry info. Being ignorant is not a noble political stance, you fucking child.
NostalgiaBird
While the pink triangle was popular in the 70s and 80s it fell out of use and had been reused by neonazi groups. No one gets to tell *me* as a queer person that I have to accept a symbol as reclaimed, just like I can't stop them from wanting to use it. Between you and I, if I were ignorant at least I could learn. You, a piece of shit, will simply always stink <3
Snuggetchamp
It's really because I tried to comment on them and they've already got me pre-blocked.
scrumbles666
I actually think they got shadowbanned. I used the f-word in a comment a few months ago and suddenly couldn't post anymore and my comment history was erased. Ended up having to start a whole new account. Looks like the same thing might have happened to Nostalgiabird; all their comments are gone, even the other stupid one about how the Labrys is fascist symbolism because Roman fasces had axes in them.
Snuggetchamp
Oh, that might be it. I had made a comment that I don't, as a gay man, really respect the term used but I'm not going to tell him he can't and that I wished he'd leave other gay people to do as they wish.