If only we obsessed over government decision makers' performance as much as professional athletes. Judges would have dietitians and personal legal trainers. We'd have stats trading cards for congress members.
F all Judges… I got my rights violated and put in jail by a corrupt judge in 2006. He was in lock step with my ex-wife. They would go off to the side whisper and giggle. When he had me put in jail I was never read my rights. My paperwork said hold indefinitely. I got out of jail after several months & talked to the head judge of the county and got the prick disrobed and de-barred. I think he had it in for me because soneone looked like me did something to him. always vote any sitting judge out.
To be clear I was never allowed to speak or present evidence in my defence. He would have none of it and would just tell me to shut up. Ge then would order me to sit and wait for the sheriff. So yes you can say I hate all judges and think the courts and judiciary need to be cleaned out and reworked.
I knew a guy (human) that once got sentenced to the Institute for criminally insane robots because the judge wanted to get home to his ham dinner with mayonnaise
I was once a part of this training which showed that staggering 95% of decisions are based on emotions we are having at that very point in time. Our trainer was trying to convince us that it can be lessened but we did not feel that way.
I feel like if this guy can make this sort of joke its something he's aware of enough to keep a hold on his emotions. The judges who get offended by this joke would be the ones to be concerned about as they allow emotion to make their rulings.
When I went up to give my testimony for a plea deal, he began to ask questions outside the scope of my trial and charges.. and I had to look at my lawyer, who after a couple seconds, stood up to remind the judge I was not under felony investigation, that it was just a misdemeanor.
I recall a few years ago (during Covid lockdowns) a DA posted a video while donning a mask and gloves (PPE) before going into a bank, musing that he's convicted people for bank robbery "on less evidence than this".
It’s great to see a judge recognize this and talk about it even in a joke because it’s real and it happens whether judges (and bosses and cops and parents and everyone with authority) want to acknowledge it or not.
You would certainly hope so and hope that most judges do at least have the integrity to recognize their mistakes and take steps to rectify them. I think alot of judges do, unfortunately the most prominent ones dont get their for being morally honest
I'm a teacher and I try to be really conscious of this: I honestly usually have some sort of snack while the kids do independent work in the period before lunch or at the end of the day. I let my students snack, too! Hungry=/=productive for anyone
Had a teacher with diabetes that would share cookies with us when her sugar was low. Only time before high school that I got to have somewhat regular snacks at school. Probably my best year academically. (ADHD kicked me hard by 7th grade.) When my daughter started school in 2011 it was a requirement to pack your kid snacks!
Friend of mine is a teacher in Troy, NY. Not a particularly well off place, so he does the same thing. Immense help to the students. Can't learn shit if you're tired and hungry.
Where I taught was a total mix of public housing and well off kids. Everyone got a morning snack, but you could see the demographic split. We would save the left overs and get them to the kids who needed more than just a granola bar and apple. Huge impact on focus and on task behavior in the classroom.
I teach in central New York now after teaching in inner city Rochester, NY, so I've faced the same issues. It's really sad. I had one student who ran track whose mom wouldn't send extra food or money on meet days, so I'd pack her a dinner: we had a system where she could get it in private. We do what we can.
A mistrial is when there's a problem with the actual trial. Either on tjecsife of the defendant or prosecutor or some hang up with the jury. Sentencing is not part of the trial. Definitely a review, even one prompted by the judge. There's a book called static by Daniel kahneman (of thinking fast and slow fame) that goes really into the whole process.
Just to be clear, people don't think "Wow I am hungry, that sure makes me angry, think I'll take it out on someone." Instead a lot of people don't entirely notice when it is happening. But like with any mood dip, it's entirely up to the individual to learn to recognize and manage it.
I’m like that. I’m emotionally fragile and it’s a coin flip whether something minor will make me want to cry or lash out at someone when I’m really hungry. I’m super accommodating by nature, so my boss has actually told me to schedule 1:00 PM meetings and have my lunch afterwards so I’ll be more mean to vendors. :p
No, the studies showed that prisoners were often paroled and sentencing seems to be lighter in the mornings. Then headlines make stupid assumptions because of that.
In the context which current 'AI' exists today? No. AI has no capacity for thinking, only rote applications. It wouldn't be able to make a value judgement between a person stealing food to survive and someone stealing CDs for profit. Both would just be theft and handled the same, while we would like to think that 'justice' would see the former helped rather than punished.
The hungry judge study was done in 2011 in Israel. It found that parole boards were much more likely to release prisoners in the morning then they were right before lunch. The initial assumption was that this was due to food. A later study showed that the real reason was that prisoners without lawyers are far less likely to be paroled than those with lawyers, and those with lawyers had their parole hearings scheduled first in the day as a matter of course.
And what can we say, now for the rest of human civilization people will be bringing up how Judges make arbitrary decisions based on how hungry they are. Funny how it be like that, but it do.
There was a study done (Israeli parole board hearings in 2011), but a later review demonstrated that the actual cause was that prisoners with attorneys had their cases heard first.
The stat was that 65% of prisoners were paroled in the morning and close to 0% were paroled close to lunch. But correlation does not equal causation. The reason for the discrepancy was not food related, but the fact that prisoners with attorneys had their cases heard in the morning while those without had theirs heard later. Unsurprisingly, prisoners with attorneys were much more likely to be paroled than those without. But Echo Chambers like this keeps spreading the hungry judge fallacy.
Speaking from experience, the judge was fine before the morning coffee break. When he came back he just started remanding EVERYONE into custody. I had my lawyer present and had been appearing at hearings for several months at this point, having never missed one but, for absolutely no reason, away you go on a Friday morning and with no way to get it in front of a different judge until Monday morning, enjoy your weekend in jail. Maybe his secretary refused to give him head during the recess? Idk.
I'm certainly not saying the judges aren't affected by outside influences. I once had a federal judge jump down my throat for something I thought was rather innocuous. I later asked him about it in a social setting and he stated that he must have been having a bad day. Judges are human. But the good ones take that into account.
DrDantheMedicalman
Serious question, if it is their own ruling, can they change it after the session is closed?
humanrevolt
"The hungry Judges soon the sentence sign, And wretches hang that jury-men may dine;"
PFCWintergreen
There’s literally a book about it called static by Kahneman (sp)
Bladedrummer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/07/after-a-favorite-football-team-loses-judges-punish-black-defendants-more/
Shuey
Copy the story for those of us that don't have a working version of the 12 ft ladder. Please
TheWonderfulWizardOfOs
If only we obsessed over government decision makers' performance as much as professional athletes. Judges would have dietitians and personal legal trainers. We'd have stats trading cards for congress members.
moontwenty
I want an AOC rookie card, and I'm willing to pay top dollar for one in mint condition.
semiAutomaticFun
Hear hear!!!
bdennis3222000
F all Judges… I got my rights violated and put in jail by a corrupt judge in 2006. He was in lock step with my ex-wife. They would go off to the side whisper and giggle. When he had me put in jail I was never read my rights. My paperwork said hold indefinitely. I got out of jail after several months & talked to the head judge of the county and got the prick disrobed and de-barred. I think he had it in for me because soneone looked like me did something to him. always vote any sitting judge out.
bdennis3222000
To be clear I was never allowed to speak or present evidence in my defence. He would have none of it and would just tell me to shut up. Ge then would order me to sit and wait for the sheriff. So yes you can say I hate all judges and think the courts and judiciary need to be cleaned out and reworked.
kjtodd11
I knew a guy (human) that once got sentenced to the Institute for criminally insane robots because the judge wanted to get home to his ham dinner with mayonnaise
nosoupforoldmen
This is why all sentences should be decided on right after lunch, or a snack or something.
nopenopenopenothanks
Judicial ethics would likely take issue with this post in most jurisdictions.
WuProgress
CanadaDryGingerMale
This is why you always book a 1pm meeting or appointment if you want something from someone and need them to be somewhat happy
jwillustrat
Somebody keep Engoron hungry for a while please.
RPCharImages
"Can...Uh....Can I get an appeal?"
trouble4you
I was once a part of this training which showed that staggering 95% of decisions are based on emotions we are having at that very point in time. Our trainer was trying to convince us that it can be lessened but we did not feel that way.
williamvanauger
That and parole hearings themselves. You are less likely to get a fair hearing before lunch, and more likely to get a favourable one after.
NiftyGoblin
I feel like if this guy can make this sort of joke its something he's aware of enough to keep a hold on his emotions. The judges who get offended by this joke would be the ones to be concerned about as they allow emotion to make their rulings.
VentusSolis
This indeed is not funny, also it can mean for a reversal.
Kakeukh
The joke is that the judge would realize it.
szepasszony
I'd be elated: seems like grounds for a mistrial, right?
ProzacJones
Eat a Snickers
butwhyisit
Let's hope Trump's judge is hungry, thirsty, and horny
mksu
Assuming this guy is an American judge, then even if it is a joke, it's incredibly tasteless given the pervasive problems with the "justice" system.
skagnificent
https://www.instagram.com/danhentschel/
Imadethisaccounttopost
Or how many judges just don't give a flying fuck, which is how I felt about my past for so long.. (long story)
Imadethisaccounttopost
When I went up to give my testimony for a plea deal, he began to ask questions outside the scope of my trial and charges.. and I had to look at my lawyer, who after a couple seconds, stood up to remind the judge I was not under felony investigation, that it was just a misdemeanor.
Syko73
I recall a few years ago (during Covid lockdowns) a DA posted a video while donning a mask and gloves (PPE) before going into a bank, musing that he's convicted people for bank robbery "on less evidence than this".
popejubal
It’s great to see a judge recognize this and talk about it even in a joke because it’s real and it happens whether judges (and bosses and cops and parents and everyone with authority) want to acknowledge it or not.
fknbastard
But it’s pretty insensitive to joke about something that might be happening to legitimate defendants
thanksfoenothing
I think this is a skit.
myotheralt
So, judgment reviews after a lunch recess? Everyone be sure to eat well.
Arenlor
If it's actually a judge, then they're recognizing it's a thing that happens and may take steps to negate it.
RPCharImages
You would certainly hope so and hope that most judges do at least have the integrity to recognize their mistakes and take steps to rectify them. I think alot of judges do, unfortunately the most prominent ones dont get their for being morally honest
skagnificent
Not a judge, just an IG user with an age filter - but, yes, this is 100% a real phenomenon.
skagnificent
https://www.instagram.com/danhentschel/
mercurialphoenix
How dare you post sauce that contradicts the narrative. For shame! /s
CaveCanem
holy shit. don't have an IG account so can't watch them, but just looking at the thumbnails, dude looks like a South Park level social commentary-ist
FitNeuroscientist
I'm a teacher and I try to be really conscious of this: I honestly usually have some sort of snack while the kids do independent work in the period before lunch or at the end of the day. I let my students snack, too! Hungry=/=productive for anyone
amoeba15
Had a teacher with diabetes that would share cookies with us when her sugar was low. Only time before high school that I got to have somewhat regular snacks at school. Probably my best year academically. (ADHD kicked me hard by 7th grade.) When my daughter started school in 2011 it was a requirement to pack your kid snacks!
thedudeman519
Friend of mine is a teacher in Troy, NY. Not a particularly well off place, so he does the same thing. Immense help to the students. Can't learn shit if you're tired and hungry.
Kwaipuak
Where I taught was a total mix of public housing and well off kids. Everyone got a morning snack, but you could see the demographic split. We would save the left overs and get them to the kids who needed more than just a granola bar and apple. Huge impact on focus and on task behavior in the classroom.
FitNeuroscientist
I teach in central New York now after teaching in inner city Rochester, NY, so I've faced the same issues. It's really sad. I had one student who ran track whose mom wouldn't send extra food or money on meet days, so I'd pack her a dinner: we had a system where she could get it in private. We do what we can.
abeansits
Instant mistrial
PFCWintergreen
That’s not what a mistrial is.
szepasszony
What do you call it when a judge admits they ruled unfairly? Seems like something that should at least be appealed.
PFCWintergreen
A mistrial is when there's a problem with the actual trial. Either on tjecsife of the defendant or prosecutor or some hang up with the jury. Sentencing is not part of the trial. Definitely a review, even one prompted by the judge. There's a book called static by Daniel kahneman (of thinking fast and slow fame) that goes really into the whole process.
cyberstormtrooper
Seems like a great way to get your verdict overturned. Or at least the sentence
StillNotYouTube
I just don't get this hangry attitude. I know it's a thing for some people, but when I'm hungry, I am hungry. I don't feel angry about it.
mechanicalchaos
Just to be clear, people don't think "Wow I am hungry, that sure makes me angry, think I'll take it out on someone." Instead a lot of people don't entirely notice when it is happening. But like with any mood dip, it's entirely up to the individual to learn to recognize and manage it.
popejubal
I’m like that. I’m emotionally fragile and it’s a coin flip whether something minor will make me want to cry or lash out at someone when I’m really hungry. I’m super accommodating by nature, so my boss has actually told me to schedule 1:00 PM meetings and have my lunch afterwards so I’ll be more mean to vendors. :p
Arbitrarynamehere
It's like all your patience is gone. Kinda hard to describe
asymmetricia
it's absolutely not a joke and there are statistics to back this up.
ChewyTheWookie
Don't ask me a question at 3:15
khazaria
I always try to job interview right after lunch
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
No, the studies showed that prisoners were often paroled and sentencing seems to be lighter in the mornings. Then headlines make stupid assumptions because of that.
FirstInLastOut
Yep
Tumescentpie
Our justice system is bullshit
Miyamotofan
We don't have a justice system, we have *legal* system. The distinction is important.
Tumescentpie
Department of legal or department of justice? The Supreme Court legals or the Supreme Court justices. We have a plutocracy
petresun
What is going on? We can't be okay with this, right? RIGHT?!
mikeatike
Same as surgeries are more successful in the morning.
JaimeLannistersRightHand
There's specific times and weekdays where you're statistically less (or more) screwed
grandpasonlylivingheir
We did a survey of 300 judges and ask them if they ever sentenced someone to death while being hungry. 210 replied yes!
Corrodias
Well, *this* is a joke. But it happens, as not a joke.
Asadsadsadclown
You hope its a joke
realizedagain
No, those statistics aren't very good and were contradicted by other studies.
StumpyGwumpy
Have you looked to incarceration rates for black men in Louisiana the week after an LSU football game and whether the LSU team won vs lost?
Penelelop
I always wondered if AI would be better at being a Judge, or CEO. Presuming fair and non profit-driven programming
murmurous
In the context which current 'AI' exists today? No. AI has no capacity for thinking, only rote applications. It wouldn't be able to make a value judgement between a person stealing food to survive and someone stealing CDs for profit. Both would just be theft and handled the same, while we would like to think that 'justice' would see the former helped rather than punished.
DeepFriedAndSanctified
The hungry judge study was done in 2011 in Israel. It found that parole boards were much more likely to release prisoners in the morning then they were right before lunch. The initial assumption was that this was due to food. A later study showed that the real reason was that prisoners without lawyers are far less likely to be paroled than those with lawyers, and those with lawyers had their parole hearings scheduled first in the day as a matter of course.
ShooterMcGrabbin
And what can we say, now for the rest of human civilization people will be bringing up how Judges make arbitrary decisions based on how hungry they are. Funny how it be like that, but it do.
DeepFriedAndSanctified
https://www.annieduke.com/no-judges-dont-give-harsher-sentences-hungry-annies-newsletter-october-5-2018/
theoriginalgiga
Props for supplying source!
TeDmund
Thanks for the update!
abbeyrosemama
So… if I’m up for sentencing can I send the judge some snacks?
OddlyPacific
The same old story, same old song and dance, my friend.
Blethigg
Let the judges constipation go to his head. With his wife's aggravation you'll soon end up dead.
OddlyPacific
Proof this has been happening for at least 50 years.
xmaneds
came here to say this; there are indeed studies done that reach this conclusion, hangry judges (right before lunch) give harsher sentences
DeepFriedAndSanctified
There was a study done (Israeli parole board hearings in 2011), but a later review demonstrated that the actual cause was that prisoners with attorneys had their cases heard first.
YetiSpagettee
That is really messed up, I work as a nurse at a jail and their court time is almost always 11 am. You know for a fact that judge is pissy.
AGiantSlor
Unless that's planned so the judge should have lunch before hand?
comacomacomacomachameleon
i would like to see these stats
DeepFriedAndSanctified
The stat was that 65% of prisoners were paroled in the morning and close to 0% were paroled close to lunch. But correlation does not equal causation. The reason for the discrepancy was not food related, but the fact that prisoners with attorneys had their cases heard in the morning while those without had theirs heard later. Unsurprisingly, prisoners with attorneys were much more likely to be paroled than those without. But Echo Chambers like this keeps spreading the hungry judge fallacy.
FlicktheClit69
Speaking from experience, the judge was fine before the morning coffee break. When he came back he just started remanding EVERYONE into custody. I had my lawyer present and had been appearing at hearings for several months at this point, having never missed one but, for absolutely no reason, away you go on a Friday morning and with no way to get it in front of a different judge until Monday morning, enjoy your weekend in jail. Maybe his secretary refused to give him head during the recess? Idk.
DeepFriedAndSanctified
I'm certainly not saying the judges aren't affected by outside influences. I once had a federal judge jump down my throat for something I thought was rather innocuous. I later asked him about it in a social setting and he stated that he must have been having a bad day. Judges are human. But the good ones take that into account.