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I'm not sure how you will all react to this, but here goes:
I need an app and, as the title says, I was looking for freelancers, but I figured that if there was an Imgurian who was in need of some freelance work, I'd rather help you out than someone else.
And of course, by "hire" I mean that you will get free exposure... in addition to getting paid for the work that you do. (Since some people are getting confused about this... It's a joke. Of course I will be paying for the work. Exposure is BS)
I had already made a project on freelancer.com so you will be able to see all the details here:
https://www.freelancer.com/projects/android/Need-android-developer-for-one/#
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EDIT: I am going to bed now, so if this goes to the Front Page I won't be able to answer for a while.
A little information based on the comments so far:
- Yes the price-range on Freelancer is "capped" to $250 but as I explain in one of the comments below, that doesn't mean I'm expecting someone to actually do this for only $250.
People are still able to, and does, bid more than that.
- I thought there was more but I can't seem to find it, and I'm too lazy to find another way to phrase the sentence explaining this.
- Could also be that it's because it's 2:36 AM and my brain thinks that this is pretty funny.
- In fact I think it's definitely that...
- ...
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
Exposure is by no means BS. It's only BS if there isnt money too.
shponglefan
It would be an interesting experiment to hire a few of those developers and see what sort of quality you'd get at different price points.
thefuzziestofbutts
ShowMeThemCatsFella
You son of a bitch. I'm in.
Vergenbuurg
50/50. Final Offer.
Kamishiro
Glootie-ootie-ooo!!!
myalibi
THAT EPISODE. THIS POST. THAT MEME. Life is wild man!!!
Unityhivemind
Dead ass thought about this
MrBain13
As i worked with freelancers don't expect something designed well and working stable
MrBain13
For that price
mutsubu
As an Engineering head, I want to know how this turns out.
Snypa88
fk off and say what u want up top
MrZev
@op try using Google sheets. Basically Excel but it's all online. You can setup dropdowns ,conditional formatting all sorts of cool stuff
MrZev
You want a webapp really. Easier to deploy, update, works everywhere, really a better medium for this stuff imo.
MrZev
GL though, my guess is 1-2k. Anything less than that I wouldn't trust. Communication is key.
thisismyusernamenowiguess
Do you want to develope an app?
WellAckchually
Scheduling, and in a broader sense anything to do with time, is sooo much more complicated than you can imagine without doing it.
sexyGandalf12
I charge tree fiddy
ShawnS0l0
Sounds like you need Click or Xora
FourWindBadger
Love the part about mobile pay(fellow Dane here, so I can see why it would be useful) hope you find a programmer to make this
Oblok
Having been pitched to a thousand times: The idea is worthless -- the many engineering skills to make it happen can be worth billions.
LoveHow
This is a browser based // web app. Don’t need to complicate it by mobile.
TanstaaflTovarisch
Instagram could have started as browser/web, but then it wouldn't have sold to Facebook for a billion...most likely. Depends on target demo.
indecentorc
Well it could be that he wants it for mobile
Noarealuser
Rin it on a server access it from any browser.
PythonIndentAwwwYiss
This, yes! A great example of unnecessary implementation details in a product pitch. It narrows your candidate pool, inflates build cost...
theplagiarist
this does not compute
ibeatjake
There is no need to create a mobile application as he is the only one using it. Webpage is simpler and better in every aspect
theplagiarist
who's hosting?
gpixelVillain
Hosting company
theplagiarist
the point being that you're roping the person into carrying costs that may not be necessary.
WhoDey910
AtsaMattaForMe
Can I ask what it is?
WhoDey910
Of course you can. That’s always the first step in app development.
AtsaMattaForMe
.... 50-50 FINAL OFFER!!
TheCarolingian
How much exposure are we talking here?
iamthepush
You'll probably get cancer? Is that enough?
spidermenz
Hookersandblackjack
5/7, and front page
idkalan
I mean the judge told me that too much exposure is what is getting me sent to jail, so I'm guessing that you shouldn't ask for a lot.
WeaselBandit
At least 3.50
enkrypt3d
I'd need at least 4 exposures. I'm out.
cptdickhead
Well it was about that time that I realised WeaselBandit was about 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the Mesozoic era
JimmySomething6
(aka: tree-fiddy)
YesYouJustLostTheGameAgain
Yes
Ochetellusglaber
Exposure
Kazpur8lS
Full frontal
buzzl1ght
velicitia
Oh my God, it's the goat!
PenguinPatriarch
Is your username perhaps a reference to the Carolingian empire of the 7th century?
TheCarolingian
Yup. Chaz the Great, Charlemagne, creator of modern Europe, First Renaissance instigator and a whole lot more. What a guy.
AtsaMattaForMe
SoftwareEngineerWithNotEnoughSalary
Basically. Once I hear or read the word "exposure" I'm out lol
AtsaMattaForMe
HammerParty13
That was where I decided this was not for me. Would have at least thought about it but... "Free Exposure". Hilarious.
WeaselBandit
Is it not coming across in the post description that it is meant as a joke?
HammerParty13
I think the clarification was a good idea. It was dry which I usually appreciate but had about the same non-ironic tone someone would use 1/
god0fthunder
You want to pay $250 for a whole app?
WeaselBandit
As I mention in the description. No i do not.
god0fthunder
It surely wasn’t there when I commented.
epipenis
People on free lancer: I’d like to buy a car for $250, it must look like a lambo and have similar specs. V8 or I’m not paying.
god0fthunder
Yeah. I make iOS and Android apps for a living now and that number is very dissuasive.
RadRedPanda
Everything before the MobilePay thing seems like it could be easily solved by just using Google Sheets to keep track of all of that.
randelung
Google Sheets plus Google Script?
spookyactionatadistance
The amount of times we have clients asking us to develop something that could be done in GSheets is crazy.
binaryspike
I've worked in companies that have entire information systems in Excel spreadsheets. It's just not scalable in the end.
spookyactionatadistance
Absolutely but the guy is a self employed window washer afaik. He doesn't need an app. Or he should get something already done.
binaryspike
You know how many "Self employed window washers" I've met who built their business on an excel spreadsheet then lost it all in a failed HD?
binaryspike
None, but I've had other small businesses fail because they relied on a single point for their business data. OP is taking the next step.
WeaselBandit
We are using excel now, but we have some specific wants, that will require something more complex.
anongoesanonymous
I am going to be honest with you. Your project seems very much in line with the requirements for a project management app. One reason 1/2
anongoesanonymous
some developers are able to give you such low bids is that they already know they can pick up the basic framework from codecanyon.net or 2/3
anongoesanonymous
some other developer site, and modify to suit your needs. The result may still be acceptable enough. Still, be wary and select wisely
SomeDetroitGuy
Like what? Maybe some macros in Excel will help you out
diehardlance
Nothing like some user form action
WeaselBandit
My partner in the firm has been working fulltime as a planner for a large factory for 10+ years, using excel. He has been able to make ->
WeaselBandit
<- an amazing offline system to organize everything. But it's just too complicated to use excel on a phone. Plus macros don't work on them.
76000BatteryLlamas
So SmartSheets then
TrojanGiraffe
Op, as a dev, the best app for you is an app that already exists.. which i can say almost always does. I'm sure youll be able to find it.
kawkamawaq
@OP don't waste your money on this. Just get good book keeping software or a CRM. Like Salesforce or FileMaker...
czbeardly
For sure. My company’s devs did something similar for a client and that was around 35-40k in cost. Customer was super happy in the end.
LoveHow
Truth
MasterPrime
Try to generalize the app so you can sell it. Because at some point android will update and it'll break. Use the sales to pay for updates.
WeaselBandit
That is one of our future plans if we find a good solution. There could be a large market for what we have in mind in the end
MasterPrime
good luck. Nice of you to offer money.
epipenis
Why is it nice of him to offer money for a service he should pay for
MasterPrime
because a lot of people don't
epipenis
Don’t offer money on free lancer?
indecentorc
Look for a react native dev then. It can be written for iOS and android and you don’t have to worry about it breaking that much
nitroghost
oh boy. I've spent 2 years developing in react native. something breaks every RN release and sometimes it has taken a while to fix
michealangleo
When working on the bleeding edge, prepare the bandages
nitroghost
I lag behind by one release so that I get all the patches. definitely not looking forward to 0.62 when I eventually upgrade to it 1/
binaryspike
WTF use a web app with media breakpoints like bootstrap.
SomeDetroitGuy
I'm a manager of software engineering and have been in the tech field for almost 20 years. The folks bidding on your project are not bidding
SomeDetroitGuy
reasonable amounts to do a quality, professional job.
IamNotFunnyNeitherIsMyUserName
I’d probably take the guy asking for $1k as he knows what’s required to complete the job and more likely to do it right.
WeaselBandit
I can see as much from their proposals. I really don't understand why they would bid on projects without reading the description.
SomeDetroitGuy
I think it is notable that the only folks who put "MobilePay" in their responses (as you asked) are the two highest bidders. Still, I don't
SomeDetroitGuy
see someone doing a quality job in a week. Maybe the one asking for $722? Stills seems really cheap but I like that he put down a reasonable
SomeDetroitGuy
time estimate (20 days).
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
They are bidding $250 levels of quality.
SomeDetroitGuy
Because they want to take advantage of you, send you something cobbled together, super poor quality and expect you can't tell the difference
epipenis
Serves OP right if he takes their bid. Software is hard, it’s not cheap to deliver high quality.
Muttons1337
That's what you get when you try and use an image sharing website as a marketplace. Imgur not the place for this. Good for word-of-mouth tho
thisisharderthaniknew
I upvoted it so it's at 69 now
Davies1212
Not kidding, I upvoted it so it got 69,000 just now! We're of a kindred spirit
Davies1212
Oh wait that's views
Davies1212
I'm retarded
Davies1212
Just super dumb
thisisharderthaniknew
Lol it's okay, we make mistakes, at least you realized it quickly!
PoorSucker
Didn't upvote your comments as it's 69 now
thisisharderthaniknew
Stearnzy
I down voted for 69
MericanFunkYeah
AwkwardErection
Nice.
ReturnToSender93
Can we get it to 6969 ... Asking the important questions
HamSauce
Nice
Escapingskies
2 more for 669
Beavtown
Just upvoted to put it at 420
DobbyLivesHere
ForesterRik
Doing God's work
Banananakin
Nice
J4nein4ne
Eyg I just upvoted it from 1069 to 1070. Good luck @Op
wtforero
Nice
arkhamfashion
it's at 96 now !
Dunhaaam
I made it 666
AFrustratedTurnip
888
AwkwardErection
.eciN
JimmySomething6
I made it 111!
ThoughtsAndBeers
143
ButWhatIfAndHearMeOut
419
jaydawgx7
420, I win
bomboy23
At first I was positive you meant customer instead of costumer, but after seeing 3 more times, I'm really starting to have doubts
electronicbovine
Costumers are the sort of customers that end up costing the company more money than they make. The coupon ladies.
WeaselBandit
One of the perks of not being a native speaker... Thanks for the assist. Did not know I've been spelling that wrong all this time. :)
Djchoragos
Oddly, That is an extremely common mistake for Danes; it’s not just you. No idea why. (American immigrant to Denmark)
WeaselBandit
Intredasting... Might be because to first syllable sounds like a Danish "o" in some cases?
Djchoragos
Det giver mening, men det ved jeg ikke!
bomboy23
Honestly though having heavy dealings with fleets of costumers sounds pretty amazing, so maybe just leave it
bomboy23
Just out of curiosity, does this have to be a native Android app, or can it be a hybrid app, or even a mobile site?
WeaselBandit
As long as it functions as it's supposed to, the platform doesn't matter much. A mobile site could work, but I'd be worried about security
bomboy23
Most sensitive things would happen server side in that case, unless you mean authentication
WeaselBandit
I'm thinking more of customer information. Hundreds of customers' personal data and such. And all these new GDPR regulations.
floridajew
anvitas
50/50, last offer
Vergenbuurg
No thank you, Glootie.
BrazilianThunderPanda
Question for Freelancers: Why is there such a difference in the bids? Some are $100 and others are $1000+?
WeaselBandit
Mostly it is country based. A guy from Indonesia is used to a much lower rate than a guy from the UK. Also professionals vs new freelancers
pcam123
Op doesn't have a specification. Request is vague at best. Ask a builder can you build me a house with a few rooms maybe a pool later etc
Colopty
And then marking the budget of the house $300-$2500 in the hope of finding someone who can give you something good for that little.
pcam123
Yep. Best idea for everyone is to be very specific about what you need. The first job is to decide the technology stack then the tasks
indecentorc
What op said. a lot of people don’t realize how much work goes into even the simple things. Like a nice login screen may take a couple hours
serokiCat
I do mobile dev for a prominent US payment app and to make this app I'd be bidding 15-25k over 3-6 months, and that's best case.
WeaselBandit
And see, this is where I get confused. Because another one has said pretty much the same about himself but given a quote of 2k and 2 weeks.
michealangleo
Most entry level devs make upwards of 20 an hour. 250 is a 13 hour budget. That is enough time to make a buggy form to an api and test it
WeaselBandit
I ended up hiring someone who delivered a very well made application within a month for $1500
michealangleo
Much more reasonable time frame. I hope the ended up actually making minimum wage in the end
TanstaaflTovarisch
The lowball is either A) Lying. B) Incompetent. C) Planning a simple low tech javascript framework app/website that does nothing.
serokiCat
Freelance, means $100/hr cause 37% goes to taxes. 30-40 hours to architect it, 150 hrs building, 50 hrs bugfixing, 50 hrs user changes
serokiCat
And upwards of 80 hrs for any misc issues. That's roughly 330 hours. Anyone who says they can do it for 140 bucks in 7 days is full of shit
ibeatjake
Although if it’s just for a single user I don’t think it takes that much work. You can use google calendar api for scheduling.
aAaaAaaaAAaaaoh
I would agree with that. 3-6 months seems excessive. Maybe a month. - Android Lead, ~7 years of exp.
serokiCat
3-6 months only because it's not the only project I would be working on. There's a price premium on ASAP projects.
aAaaAaaaAAaaaoh
Why give an estimate including other work if he's just asking how long it'll take?
NZSheeps
I'll do it. How hard can it be to learn android programming overnight?
LoveHow
Top comment
Getchectfret
Just YouTube it, you’ll be fine haha!
TrapsAreIllegal
Not very. It's the non Android stuff you'll get hung up on
electronicbovine
The scope of work is pretty high for such low pay. Sending text from an Android app has considerable implications as well. If you just want
electronicbovine
To email sms gateways, you can do this with a webapp easily enough, and for cheaper...but still. That's a big ask for $250 usd.
binaryspike
Android app usually means phone, which means you use the phone's SMS which is easy peasy.
electronicbovine
Are you unaware of Android's security model? It's not necessarily straight forward depending on app requirements.
binaryspike
Either the app requirements are needs SMS or not.
electronicbovine
Oh ya, my bad. I thought the same restrictions applied to sending as they do to reading/writing sms db.
WeaselBandit
The range on Freelancer doesn't mean anything. I don't expect to find someone for $250 (Explained in another comment above)
epipenis
Then just be honest about your budget.
buttondick
Why? That's how you get fucked on price.
epipenis
There is a monumental difference in expecting $250 for several thousands of dollars of work and getting fucked on price.
Getchectfret
He explained it. If he capped it higher, people wouldn’t be able to bid less.
Colopty
You definitely don't want someone who bids that little on a several thousand dollar project though.
tekcor
They should never bid less. Being very generous, any bid under $1000 should go right in the trash.
Askarus
250 dollar cap? Is that per hour or...
Randyw8483
This app would probably cost $20k to develop.
talktomrjohnson
Yes, we let corporate poons screw us on this deal.
SquishyWubbles
Finally someone says it. 15 to 20k is still reasonable for what he wants. But who knows, maybe some sucker will do it for a lot less.
SDev0
He is going to 100% get what he pays for
WeaselBandit
The caps on freelancer is rather arbitrary. I chose this because if I had chosen the next tier, people wouldn't be able to bid less than 250
kennerly
That is insultingly low. You should have gone up a tier.
Heavenissize17socks
Insulting low is 'Yours can do it for the exposure! '
WeaselBandit
People are still able to bid above the tier. I've worked as a freelancer a lot myself using these websites and I personally hate it when a->
WeaselBandit
<- an employer has over estimated the job and gone with a tier above what I would offer, forcing me to give an offer that's higher than ->
WeaselBandit
<- what I actually wanted. Besides, I don't think any on that site actually pays attention to these caps, because of those same rules.
ThisFireGrowsHigher
My Jr devs make 40$/hr at the lowest. Most small mobile apps are 200-300 hours of work.
SDev0
Jr devs make 40 an hour? Are you on the coast?
ThisFireGrowsHigher
California yeah, but we're inland. I'd be surprised if you could find a legit full stack eng jr position in LA for less.
SDev0
What about remote workers?
PythonIndentAwwwYiss
Montreal CTO here, juniors make 20-30$/h. But what's more relevant here is that the average rate for freelancers is 90-120$/h
ThisFireGrowsHigher
20-30 including benefits right? I'm in US-CA and the $40/hr is just the raw conversion rate. They also get 3% matching, 95% health + more.
PythonIndentAwwwYiss
Usually comes with an insurance plan, partly covered by the employer, sometimes a performance bonus and access to an RRSP plan.
Askarus
Well i would hope nobody would bid under. If you're talking American rates, this is easily a 5k - 10k project. An interesting one for sure!
WeaselBandit
I am aware of that. Same if I hired a Danish freelancer. But it is an international website and sometimes you can get really good deals. :)
Snickt
You won't get quality devs at $250. Also, you having the devs do the UX? I hope you have mapped out everything in detail for them.
RetailCat
This is a hella begging vibe holy shit
fredlllll
on getting a good deal: i work for asian companies, software quality over there is abysimal, it works for now, but its unmaintainable