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On March 14, the Kentucky Senate Judiciary Committee voted to approve HB 5, the “Safer Kentucky Act.” The legislation will now head to the Senate floor for a vote, and it will almost certainly pass. The 78-page bill criminalizes homelessness—and decriminalizes the use of deadly force against individuals engaging in “unlawful camping.” Under this law, if a property owner believes an unhoused trespasser is attempting to commit a felony or attempting to “dispossess” them, they can shoot the homeless person.
Kentucky lawmakers had lifted it, in part, from model legislation published by the Cicero Institute, a conservative think tank founded by Palantir alum Joe Lonsdale that focuses “on fixing broken systems in the public sector.”
According to the Cicero Institute, the think tank’s “model legislation has been enacted in Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Utah,” and its homelessness policies have advanced in legislatures in 20 states.
The Safer Kentucky Act creates the opportunity for vigilantism against “violent crime”—with impacts far beyond the homeless population. The state already has strong “stand your ground” laws. Individuals do not have to retreat before using deadly force and are immune from prosecution or civil action. Police are also generally forbidden from arresting anyone who used such force. A 2022 study found that “stand your ground” laws led to an 8 to 11 percent increase in gun homicides and violent deaths. HB 5 expands these laws. In speech on the House floor, Democratic state Representative Keturah Herron argued that the bill “takes us back to 1955, when it was OK to hunt people down based on an accusation.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/kentucky-crime-bill/
JRaven419
She stole my heart. Things went downhill after a few months so I kicked her out. Therefore she committed a crime and is now homeless.
4254
I am always impressed about the name of the bill and what it actually does. It is called "The safer Kentucky" act, but its true title is the "Feel free to murder the homeless" act.
miakkamisfit
Do you have to get proof of residency before you shoot someone?
rossonerinho
Well that's a new take on "turn the other cheek". But hey, you do you Kentucky.
GraceMcClain
Everyone who signed off on that bill should share the fate of those who will suffer under it.
Crowlands
Saying "Republicans want to hunt the poor for sport" isn't even an exaggeration.
shack95
If a Republican wanders onto their property at night? What happens if someone assumes they’re homeless?
SirenBrick
They knocked at my door, they had a handful of papers, I could only assume they were homeless and trying to break my door down to commit murder... the fact the papers were for republican election canvasing is irrelevant, the law says the moment of judgment is what matters.
shack95
Probably was collecting those papers to keep warm. Only makes sense if they found a clipboard in the trash to hold them together.
Chalybos
The list of states you couldn’t pay me to live in grows and grows.
Nalianna
They're "united."
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Is "Safer" an acronym or something because this sounds like the opposite of making Kentucky safer.
LordHelmetTheThird
Remind me to never go hiking in Kentucky
languex
Societies are judged by how the treat their weakest members.
Whitebeardthepirate
"well, you see sherrif, I shot your men, because they were on my lawn, and it felt like they were homeless and coming to dispossess me, so I'm not in trouble right?"
bladderinfection
Well, fuck it - go all in. If you are homeless, you might as well go on the offensive and commit a home invasion. Congratulations fuckwits.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Is it self defense if you're committing a B&E?
Serqet1
Robber breaks into house via sun roof, Falls lands on nail sues.
ilejk
Depends on who is left alive to argue
lljkstonefish
as with most of history
Blakeadelic
Do they have a veto-proof majority? I assume this will be vetoed by the Democratic governor if passed.
psmith00
there are some in the rest of the world that see America still as the Wild, Wild West. this sort of legislation just enshrines that belief both outside and inside America.
badspellingchecker
well whats the definition of unhoused? cause once you on the porch you too are unhoused. 'Now son you get em to come outside, I'll get inside and defend us.'
SirenBrick
According to the bill summaries, it is basically up to the murderer to determine based on "reasonable factors" that are of course undefined in any way. If you think they might possibly be homeless, then they have no protections under the state law, even if they are proven otherwise after the fact, the moment of judgment is prioritized. And it also says they only have to be seen seeming to attempt or considering committing a potential felony.. so also super vague and undefined behaviour.
M4UsedRollout
So if a Kentucky lawmaker solicits at your house, you might legitimately think they’re homeless trying to rob you.
Deadmanwalkn
You seem to be under the delusion that GOP laws are evenly applied
M4UsedRollout
No I'm under the delusion that people get what they deserve.
Deadmanwalkn
Ah, fairly similar chances of it happening
wadenelson1
So camping on some yuppies lawn is now justification for pre-meditated murder in KY?
hyperchondriac
For all people complaining about gerrymander in Texas, KY has a Dem governor but a veto-proof GOP supermajority thanks to gerrymandered districts enforced by their supreme court.
swedeonamoose
As a land owner i have a lot of words to say about homeless, migrants etc etc but the thought about shooting them has never crossed my mind, like what kind of sick fuck would try to get that into a law.
Metalsmith21
Remember if you are of average empathy, morality or intelligence half the people you meet will be on a lower level than you.
Hkafodays
and half will be better people than you
mmckee44
Laws like this, and the thinking that produces laws like this, is probably why red states are seeing skyrocketing murder rates.. "Malignant Entitlement" probably needs to become an actual category of modern sick societies.
digitalaaronscustoms
Step 1: make everyone poor
Step 2: legalize murdering the poor
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!!!
RobertsSpawn
I mean if someone breaks into my house I’m prepared to shoot them if they have ill intentions, but if I can safely extrapolate that the person isn’t there to harm me or my loved ones then I see no reason in letting them go
lljkstonefish
If someone breaks into my house, they have ill intentions. If you don't have ill intentions, you knock on the door. Home invasion is not something that should be taken lightly. Arrest, at minimum.
TsubakiTragic
The US decline continues.
cheezyone
So, if ya own a rental or try to sell a vacant house and somebody pulls a “California squatter” move - ya can shoot em? Hell ya
Columbus43219
“takes us back to 1955", uh yeah, that what "Again" means in MAGA. You know, when it was great to be a white property owner! /s
AnnieKat
I'm from Kentucky and am just so disgusted. It's genuinely so disheartening and frustrating to see such bullshit like this. I know people who have been/are homeless, and to think they could just be walking through someone's wooded land or a yard and get SHOT for it...makes me so sick :(
TimmyTimm
This just sounds like more aggressive wording of the “Stand Your Ground” laws.
SirenBrick
Except because it is so vague, and the perpetrator doesn't have to act, only be seen "potentially thinking about maybe committing" a crime to be shot dead. And Dispossessing is too vague a term, it basically means using property without express permission, eg: throwing out your hotdog wrapper at the 7/11 garbage bins at the pumps can count if you didn't ask permission first. Or walking between two businesses in their alley, you are using the alley without permission.
pianostacatto
A reminder that the "Amendment" to permit weapon ownership is for the sake of national defense vs foreign invaders. Internal strife is not the same.
SmugandFurry
It's also intended keep the militia armed, which is now our National Guard and Ready Reserve forces. Don't misunderstand, I'm a supporter of the 2A (Scalia's interpretation), which means I support private gun ownership for self-defense, but they should stop pretending they're doing anyone else any favors.
lljkstonefish
A reminder that it doesn't actually say that. It's quite open to interpretation, like tea leaves, and lines on your palm.
lljkstonefish
(which is a criticism of your constitution and method of government in general, not any one particular law/amendment)
tr26
Dispossess, as in take their property/house? Is that even a real thing or just a "I was afraid he was gonna take my doublewide away from me so I shot him 17 times in the back" kind of thing? Isn't the bank or state far more likely to do that?
bikergeek6249
In many (not all) US states, if you squat on property long enough, it's yours by "adverse possession". The most frequent use of it is in cases of accidental encroachment of a structure onto a neighboring property that goes undetected for a long time, like a neighbor builds a garage that's just a bit over the property line and nobody notices at the time. But it can be used for outright squatting. It typically takes something like 20 years to run, though.
Metalsmith21
its for shitty land lords that have empty houses and someone just moves in to sqat. Now they can just walk in and shoot those people.
tr26
In Kentucky that takes 15 consecutive years of illegal occupancy, seems like they don’t mean that specifically
Comet260
It should be illegal for a residential landlord to have a (purposefully) empty house.
lljkstonefish
They should attract escalating financial penalties.
SirenBrick
And the bill says "contemplating or considering to dispossess", how do you know that random guy on the street that may or may not be homeless is thinking about MAYBE squatting in an empty home (Or on private company property like in an alleyway or by a bin)?
Comet260
Did humans evolve telepathy overnight or something? When does Psi Corps become a thing?
certainlynotaserialkiller
its going to be a lot of fun for these future murderers to explain to the judge how they knew the person they killed was a homeless person.
Trelfar
Bold to assume they will even be charged, let alone have to face a judge.
WoodHandle
I bet it doesn't matter. The dude looked homeless so I was in the right.
DulothX
Well, you see, they've been wearing police uniforms to try to fool you; obvious ruse.
psmith00
they don't need to KNOW. they only need to SUSPECT. this is basically an open warrant on anyone in the state, resident or visitor. it was already highly unlikely that i would ever visit Kentucky simply due to distance and lack of any reason to visit it. BUT, this provides a more than ample reason to never visit or even drive through the state, EVER.
Woahouch110
I reckon if you did enough digging a few politicians who voted for this wouldn’t own a home… oh I’m sure trusts and other apparatus they have connections to own homes. But not them.
MacNero00
They have a handy color chart to consult.
certainlynotaserialkiller
HeraldofOmega
Bingo.
mmckee44
I'm sure the law will be designed to error on the side of the murderer, as long as the murderer is white.
Might be more complicated if the murderer is black and the "homeless" person was white though. Unless that black person had golden sneakers and a MAGA hat. They might make allowances for that black guy.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
In fairness, they don't even seem to make exceptions for them. They are treated just as badly as the rest of us POC and still stick around like idiots.
mmckee44
Yeah, I was being more ironic than logical but I agree with your point.
Cargobiker530
"Judge, I truly believed my wife was a homeless person!"
NZSheeps
"I kicked her out then shot her"
atomfixes101
Now you get it
certainlynotaserialkiller
ah, the pistorius defence. very novel.
lljkstonefish
Anyone wanna play the Pistorius drinking game?
Every time you go to the bathroom, take four shots.
badspellingchecker
I seen him over by the trash cans last week that's how i knew he didn't have a home.
certainlynotaserialkiller
so he just shot the waste collector....
autodidacticcortex
Boys will be boys *bangs gavel* charges dismissed
annonymouse211
Also how they knew the person was planning to commit a felony. I bet a huge majority of these people don't know the difference between felony offenses and misdemeanor to begin with.
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Keru
No, that's the legal excuse white people will use to shoot non-white people because they "felt threatened".
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Keru
I didn't say shit about what the law actually says, I said it's the legal excuse white people will use. Learn to read before you call anyone an idiot, champ.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Isn't that what they call the police for. If they're "taking over" it means they're there and not going to run off unless they're made to leave.
This is just cutting out homicidal cops to commit murder yourself.
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2graves
The people? Or the GOP legislature
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Your original comment made it sound like you were in support, it is why it's getting a negative reception.