So who is responsible for deciding that dog was ready to be in a public setting because whoever that was is not qualified to make that decision and whoever put the dog handler in control also not qualified to decide who would be a good dog handler it's a few people that should get fired.
As much as I hope for him but I lack the belief it will happen. I would bet they will say something along the lines of he has a history of blah blah blah and police have immunity by golly I hope im wrong and not just desensitized to this shit
As a dog trainer intern with a particular interest in protection training, that dog is not well trained at all. Each dog used in protection must have a solid out command response for bite work. This means the dog must release upon hearing the command 99.99% of the time. Dogs are trained to do bite work without the dog being emotionally invested, meaning it's not angry or afraid, it is doing what it's trying to do just like a trick. I hope that this person sued the crap out of them for using ill
For all we know, the dog could be very well trained, and it’s the officers that suck. I didn’t hear them trying to call it off, just grabbing it. Probably both, though. Sad.
It's hard to tell for sure, but I thought I heard him trying to call it off, just before running on screen with the collar and leash. He was calling something, sounded a bit like 'OFF', but my brain could just be a mondegreen.
Nah that's shit training. It shouldn't be doing that without a command, let alone keep at it. I've been to the Police god training center in Canada and they take that shit very seriously and talk in depth about it during their presentations.
Exactly, back in "the good ol times" we also didn't like the social disgust that happened when we first saw footage of cops siccing dogs on civil rights protesters. People are so woke now, didn't like it back then and still don't like it now 🙄 /s
Stop the nonsense. They use cops in bite suits. I hate this about Imgur. Shit is bad enough without the fake crap. You fuckers don’t hesitate to make shit up and start spreading the hate, just like Trump. That and the fucking ads that just start and can’t be shut off is the death of this place. Fuckers call foul and talk crap about the republicans and fox and turn around and do the same exact shit.
Hell yeah.. you just can't make up or say shit that feels right. Because any mistake made by a liberal is magnified by 1000x and weaponized by the Maga chode media and Russian bots to cast doubt on everything. I piss off my fellow liberals pretty often because I'm the dude who physically cannot stop himself from being the guy who puts a dipshit in check and hamstrings them.
Agreed. I see them more like advanced military equipment. (I love dogs and don't see them as tools, just using the metaphor for my point.) Appropriate in some war secanrios to keep soldiers safe, but an unnecessary level of force for law enforcement. The same reason cops don't need military hand me downs of any other sort, so the average street cop can pretend to be Rambo.
Your household mutt isnt a tool, but a lot of breeds legit are. Heelers, pointers, shepherds, and a few more. They can absolutely be just house pets, but their wiring makes them want to be used as tool.
Attacking humans, especially specific humans, is not something inherently in their wiring.
That being said, even if you don’t see the animals as tools, if you understand they come from a long line of tools it can make training them much easier.
We almost had a mayor that wanted to increase surveillance and increase the police budget. Also, he wanted to completely gut the homeless program funded by the city. This is Oklahoma, and we voted for the other more progressive person. They already have military verticals and a small college town doesn't need increased surveillance. It's not a military compound.
Usually it's the cops themselves that wear big bite suits. You don't use dummys for dogs like this. An easy google will give you exactly how they train K-9 units
Also, dogs dont see colors the same way we do. They're effectively color blind. This entire argument is mental. Hate cops all you want but this is next level stupid.
Probably. Most K9's are well-trained at the start. Pretty rigorous to train puppies up enough to graduate. However, like all dogs with jobs or specific skills, you have to constantly be reinforcing their training properly. It wouldn't surprise me if some cops forgot that dogs aren't machines and didn't keep up with their training. I'm more familiar with MWDs which have different training, but lifelong reinforcement is universal.
Dogs can't see red. They can see green and blue just fine, as well as determining between light and dark. A dog would be able to tell the difference between skin tones easily.
Well when I worked with police departments for just under 10 years and they would be doing the dog training they'd have black. When I'd ask in the middle of summer why they used black instead of a lighter color they would say "why do think" and proceed to chuckle. Do they come in whatever color you want yes but I'd be curious if you could actually see the stats for which color police dog trainers purchase the most.
If he was properly trained, he would never have gone off like that, and returned immediately when called. I guess that's another thing that they aren't funding properly.
suing is NOT easy, collecting is even more difficult. the GOP/media spread it's easy to sue by using a few examples (often outrageous) purposely to shift opinion that suing is out of control and laws must be changed (and it's worked, laws have been changed). an employer owed my mom $700K and it was in writing, all the proof, she even (illegally) recorded him saying it. she couldn't get a lawyer to take the case, not enough profit for time put in.
I think the public is highly misinformed when it comes to suing the govt. The govt only pays out to corporations and very rich people, not regular people.
Actually after a thorough investigation, it was found that the innocent bystander is actually guilty of attacking the dog and the officer, and his immigration status is questionable so he's being deported to a random country
It would be civil lawsuit, though. Not a case of cops investigating themselves for wrongdoing. Plenty have won civil suits against cops and jurisdiction even though cop found not guilty of crimes.
An acquittal certainly won't help a civil case, but you're correct. It's also important to reiterate that the evidentiary standard for civil suits is "preponderance of evidence" vs criminal cases' "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you had to assign (somewhat arbitrary) probabilities to those ideas, a criminal case needs to be 95%+ airtight, but a civil case can be won if you can beat a coin toss.
OJ Simpson wasn't able to be convicted in a criminal court based on the reasonable doubt standard, but the family of the victim was awarded millions of dollars for being able to beat the preponderance standard.
A civil case can only ever find you *liable* and can't put you in jail. A criminal case is what finds you "guilty".
Its gonna go to a last call dodge charger, weed and stripclubs. No one is stupid enough to waste money on school in this economy and political environment. They all know the system is rigged against them so he's gonna get it while he can. Facts. The american dream of going to school and having a prestigious career no matter your skin or culture is dead. It was never alive in the first place, just a lie to keep people in line on top of institutions making bank off the poor and willing.
No one except for the 20 million or so current college students. If my child was still young I'd definitely push for secondary and better education vs. Just being happy with a H.S. diploma. College and/or go into business for himself with. But just taking a H.S. diploma into the work world won't get much.
One kid did nuero-sciences and the other did transportation engineering. I'll take my chances with higher education degrees. But it's important to choose one that still is or will be in demand
If higher education garanteed a better way of living, then im wrong and youre correct. But there are people with polysci, arts and other degrees working at starbucks and candle lit restaurants, grounding your pepper and living off the tips. Why arent they working in their field of study? they wasted 4 years of time, money and energy for a piece of paper theyre never gonna use. No one in my generation is ever gonna be a homeowner unless its inherited or youre bank rolled by a rich family
A good half of that 20 million or so current collage students wont be woking in thier field of study due to low demand, competitiveness and ai taking their job, especially in the arts and buisness sector. Half of that half will drop out due to burn out because not being financially stable enough to focus on school and work. Not everyone is into brain science or transport.
A GED can be anywhere from wendys to an oil rig welder making 6 degits a year working only 4 months. Degrees arent garantees
Strangely enough, they do more than just neuroscience and transport. Getting an education isn't supposed to be about "getting a job", it's to educate yourself, expand your mind and critical information processing tools. It's odd how many American get so hyperfocused on money.
Thats why if you really wanted to learn and educate youreself, the materials are online, just gotta piece it together. I'd rather that than +40k in debt. And Americans live in the most capitalistic nation on earth, of course we're gonna hyperfocus on money. Thats the whole reason people work, so they can spend on deserved pleasure from hard work. If you loved your job so much, you'd work for free, you'd be broke af. Cant provide for a family and yourself. Cash rules everything around me. CREAM
CuteLukePatoot
That poor dog, trained to think it's okay to attack random civilians (especially those who are BIPoC).
Zetor
You're not deadass? Yeah, wtf?
beerkrump
ACAB
allyrounds365
The constant evidence of poor training and control tells me over and over that American police are not capable of handling dogs.
The history of police dogs in this country is a disgrace to all dogs.
BeingDoug
They 'll all be arrested for attempted injury to police dog.
lamontcranston
the dog attacks 3 different black people
PaddyPatrick
“He’s good. He’s good. He’s good.” WTF is that ‘officer’ saying?
theAught
Fuck the police and fuck their weaponized fur bullets. Never forget those dogs have more rights than you.
WammoJammo
So who is responsible for deciding that dog was ready to be in a public setting because whoever that was is not qualified to make that decision and whoever put the dog handler in control also not qualified to decide who would be a good dog handler it's a few people that should get fired.
SithElephant
Autonomous torture drones, used to manufacture probable cause. No police dog is at all safe because it's whims are backed by deadly force.
Maviyakuku
Did he sue?
PineappleLoopsBroether
There's all the opportunity to do so. Video proof, badge numbers.... yeah, he could very well be in an attorney's office Tuesday morning.
Grimlinnan
The dog was absolutely trained to attach people of color.
shawnemack
Dogs should never be used to hurt people. It’s cruel and should be stopped.
ThailandExpress
https://theappeal.org/police-dogs-originated-from-slavery-and-must-be-abolished
youreathing
The same applies to the police themselves.
idiotsonfire
Cops using police dogs should be considered animal abuse. They torture those animals to get them to turn into wild animals.
TheGriffin
This is animal abuse
CityYeti
There's a bad history with police dogs and black people. Like, I know that's obvious, but it's worse than you think.
jridley
That dog was going after anyone brown that it could bite. Needs to be retired and whoever trained and handled it investigated.
MBdub210
That’s a poorly trained dog if his handler cant get him to release.
Bollramm
Take the dog away from the pig.
knexusatx
GaloisGroupie
This reminds me of this: https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/jeffco-deputy-acquitted-k9-attack/73-8db7217d-f44a-4897-aae2-209e0641b2e6
Table5
All of them you say?
BobbyVegana
even the dog this time
Chemicalbondage
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlZHo5NjIwcHphdjJiZjI5NDVsMWFzemlxN2Ewd2d1MDNxdDRuMzAxOSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/oUOkLJxOyMHgrDWmpu/200w.mp4
BobbyVegana
that class traitor
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
I grew up around cops. My granddad was a cop. I heard how they talk when they think nobody's listening. They are ALL bad.
BishlamekGurpgork
The trick is anybody who seems like they might be good isn't tolerated.
woozle
stvgrc
DangerRNGR
Where's the good guy with a gun when you need them?
vissago
i hope that guys lawsuit sees him into 7 figures
mocosoft
An attorney's wet dream.
DonL9
Some shithead authoritarian judge would give the dog qualified immunity and a t-bone.
Puntifex
I've zero faith that even this type of direct evidence will help at all. Would love to be wrong.
GIMike1972
Hell yeah!! Especially when there's VIDEO with SOUND!
Jackpot! $$$$$$$
bro02tc
As much as I hope for him but I lack the belief it will happen. I would bet they will say something along the lines of he has a history of blah blah blah and police have immunity by golly I hope im wrong and not just desensitized to this shit
mohavewolfpup
But but, their training is always top notch (if you don’t need to use the restroom) https://archive.ph/e8YXk
OmNachoMama
As a dog trainer intern with a particular interest in protection training, that dog is not well trained at all. Each dog used in protection must have a solid out command response for bite work. This means the dog must release upon hearing the command 99.99% of the time. Dogs are trained to do bite work without the dog being emotionally invested, meaning it's not angry or afraid, it is doing what it's trying to do just like a trick. I hope that this person sued the crap out of them for using ill
OmNachoMama
Trained canines and officers
EchoPMIM
To be fair, it's not like the pigs are well-trained either. Just a bunch of violent animals set loose on the innocent.
hogeyegrex
For all we know, the dog could be very well trained, and it’s the officers that suck. I didn’t hear them trying to call it off, just grabbing it. Probably both, though. Sad.
mastertmo
It's hard to tell for sure, but I thought I heard him trying to call it off, just before running on screen with the collar and leash. He was calling something, sounded a bit like 'OFF', but my brain could just be a mondegreen.
BrdCdn
Nah that's shit training. It shouldn't be doing that without a command, let alone keep at it. I've been to the Police god training center in Canada and they take that shit very seriously and talk in depth about it during their presentations.
hogeyegrex
So, both. Nobody but a shit cop would let a shit dog off the leash.
BrdCdn
All cops are bad cops bront
camn333
I'll let you guess what color of skin they use on the dummy to train the dog with.
netprincess
Colored me surprised...
mocosoft
DobbyOneKenobi
I'm stealing this gif, and there's nothing you can do about it haha!
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
ain't white*
insaaanity
This gif is roughly .1 seconds too short. Half of the last syllable is missing.
Timesarrows
animals should not be allowed to be used to attack humans! another WOKE idea!
ZaleLikesKale
Exactly, back in "the good ol times" we also didn't like the social disgust that happened when we first saw footage of cops siccing dogs on civil rights protesters. People are so woke now, didn't like it back then and still don't like it now 🙄 /s
DocWino
Stop the nonsense. They use cops in bite suits. I hate this about Imgur. Shit is bad enough without the fake crap. You fuckers don’t hesitate to make shit up and start spreading the hate, just like Trump. That and the fucking ads that just start and can’t be shut off is the death of this place. Fuckers call foul and talk crap about the republicans and fox and turn around and do the same exact shit.
Uselesstoy
Hell yeah.. you just can't make up or say shit that feels right. Because any mistake made by a liberal is magnified by 1000x and weaponized by the Maga chode media and Russian bots to cast doubt on everything. I piss off my fellow liberals pretty often because I'm the dude who physically cannot stop himself from being the guy who puts a dipshit in check and hamstrings them.
camn333
duffman3335
Dude, STFU! Quit your fkn crying!
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VaultGirl69
Dogs shouldn't be used by police. Just search and rescue. Exactly for this reason. I hope those men sued the city.
cmsport2
Agreed. I see them more like advanced military equipment. (I love dogs and don't see them as tools, just using the metaphor for my point.) Appropriate in some war secanrios to keep soldiers safe, but an unnecessary level of force for law enforcement. The same reason cops don't need military hand me downs of any other sort, so the average street cop can pretend to be Rambo.
TexanSailor
Your household mutt isnt a tool, but a lot of breeds legit are. Heelers, pointers, shepherds, and a few more. They can absolutely be just house pets, but their wiring makes them want to be used as tool.
Attacking humans, especially specific humans, is not something inherently in their wiring.
That being said, even if you don’t see the animals as tools, if you understand they come from a long line of tools it can make training them much easier.
VaultGirl69
We almost had a mayor that wanted to increase surveillance and increase the police budget. Also, he wanted to completely gut the homeless program funded by the city. This is Oklahoma, and we voted for the other more progressive person. They already have military verticals and a small college town doesn't need increased surveillance. It's not a military compound.
FakeFlagger
Usually it's the cops themselves that wear big bite suits. You don't use dummys for dogs like this. An easy google will give you exactly how they train K-9 units
Darooks
Most of the time you see those suits being used take note what color it is.
Snuggelapolous
Green?
FakeFlagger
Also, dogs dont see colors the same way we do. They're effectively color blind. This entire argument is mental. Hate cops all you want but this is next level stupid.
anirri
Eh nothing new, though I guess ask WHAT THE FUCK happened in this vid? Cop lose control of the fur missle?
cmsport2
Probably. Most K9's are well-trained at the start. Pretty rigorous to train puppies up enough to graduate. However, like all dogs with jobs or specific skills, you have to constantly be reinforcing their training properly. It wouldn't surprise me if some cops forgot that dogs aren't machines and didn't keep up with their training. I'm more familiar with MWDs which have different training, but lifelong reinforcement is universal.
Everygen
Dogs can't see red. They can see green and blue just fine, as well as determining between light and dark. A dog would be able to tell the difference between skin tones easily.
FakeFlagger
A quick google shows that they're literally every color under the sun. Besides, they do not cover the face.
Tootsie1
And yet every training video released shows one of 2 colors - dark brown or black.
Darooks
Well when I worked with police departments for just under 10 years and they would be doing the dog training they'd have black. When I'd ask in the middle of summer why they used black instead of a lighter color they would say "why do think" and proceed to chuckle. Do they come in whatever color you want yes but I'd be curious if you could actually see the stats for which color police dog trainers purchase the most.
DocWino
You seriously think a dog makes a correlation between black plastic and black skin? Cops suck but that ain’t why.
FakeFlagger
Hate police all you want. There are genuine reasons to have issues with law enforcement in the US. This is just silly
johnxbear
Imagine training an animal to assault people from birth then being shocked it does that.
CyanideBreathMint
The piggies didn’t look the least bit “shocked” : /
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Malinois and shepherds are absolutely intelligent enough to be trained to use discretion, it's clear that was not done here
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
found alot of these dogs were trained on attack signals and its the officers who were picking the poeple
Thesaya
If he was properly trained, he would never have gone off like that, and returned immediately when called. I guess that's another thing that they aren't funding properly.
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
the found alot of these dogs were trained on attack signals and its the officers who were picking the poeple
Decitron
They shouldn’t have attack dogs. Period.
Sayagain
I have a not do funny story about that from 15 years ago. Too much effort to type it all out meow.
cocainemonster
Then why type anything at all you witless wonder
Sayagain
Started typing, got distracted. Knew it would take to long to SQUIRREL!!!
UnattendedDeviant
Lawsuit. College tuition paid.
Timesarrows
suing is NOT easy, collecting is even more difficult. the GOP/media spread it's easy to sue by using a few examples (often outrageous) purposely to shift opinion that suing is out of control and laws must be changed (and it's worked, laws have been changed). an employer owed my mom $700K and it was in writing, all the proof, she even (illegally) recorded him saying it. she couldn't get a lawyer to take the case, not enough profit for time put in.
TripleDane
Americna justice
johnxbear
I wasn't planning on going but hell since it's free now. https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dzRtbnNqNWJpcG5zMjRxeWNlMGtoamU2czNhNDFlNzl1NGFlMXFqZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/vJJUKrlOslBCBo1P4A/200w.webp
lemonofdoom2
Doubt. Pretty much everything is geared towards police can do no wrong. Id be surprised if they even cover replacing the jacket
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I think the public is highly misinformed when it comes to suing the govt. The govt only pays out to corporations and very rich people, not regular people.
jrmco1
Actually after a thorough investigation, it was found that the innocent bystander is actually guilty of attacking the dog and the officer, and his immigration status is questionable so he's being deported to a random country
Anlurai
They will investigate and find their selves not guilty on all charges the child will get nothing.
UnattendedDeviant
It would be civil lawsuit, though. Not a case of cops investigating themselves for wrongdoing. Plenty have won civil suits against cops and jurisdiction even though cop found not guilty of crimes.
GaloisGroupie
Errrr maybe still try to get that scholarship... https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/jeffco-deputy-acquitted-k9-attack/73-8db7217d-f44a-4897-aae2-209e0641b2e6
paullyboy1999
You animal lovers will hate me for this comment...
paullyboy1999
But a gravy soaked sponge would be thrown over that fence daily
bhobby1212
Fucking disgusting!
UnattendedDeviant
Plenty have received civil damages when cop wasn't convicted criminally of crime. Two different things...and courts.
CaptainScarfish
An acquittal certainly won't help a civil case, but you're correct. It's also important to reiterate that the evidentiary standard for civil suits is "preponderance of evidence" vs criminal cases' "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you had to assign (somewhat arbitrary) probabilities to those ideas, a criminal case needs to be 95%+ airtight, but a civil case can be won if you can beat a coin toss.
CaptainScarfish
OJ Simpson wasn't able to be convicted in a criminal court based on the reasonable doubt standard, but the family of the victim was awarded millions of dollars for being able to beat the preponderance standard.
A civil case can only ever find you *liable* and can't put you in jail. A criminal case is what finds you "guilty".
Onlyhereforthelaughs
The American Way... :(
UnattendedDeviant
Thank goodness we can sue cops and jurisdiction.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Well, cities. :\
UnattendedDeviant
Both. Cops and the jurisdiction they serve..towns, cities, counties, or state.
EchoDelta141
Its gonna go to a last call dodge charger, weed and stripclubs. No one is stupid enough to waste money on school in this economy and political environment. They all know the system is rigged against them so he's gonna get it while he can. Facts. The american dream of going to school and having a prestigious career no matter your skin or culture is dead. It was never alive in the first place, just a lie to keep people in line on top of institutions making bank off the poor and willing.
UnattendedDeviant
No one except for the 20 million or so current college students. If my child was still young I'd definitely push for secondary and better education vs. Just being happy with a H.S. diploma. College and/or go into business for himself with. But just taking a H.S. diploma into the work world won't get much.
One kid did nuero-sciences and the other did transportation engineering. I'll take my chances with higher education degrees. But it's important to choose one that still is or will be in demand
UnattendedDeviant
I mean if you think it's wasteful in *this economy and political environment nothing stays the same. It's best to be prepared.
I don't if you have kids, but if you do, would or did you tell them it's stupid to get a higher education?
EchoDelta141
If higher education garanteed a better way of living, then im wrong and youre correct. But there are people with polysci, arts and other degrees working at starbucks and candle lit restaurants, grounding your pepper and living off the tips. Why arent they working in their field of study? they wasted 4 years of time, money and energy for a piece of paper theyre never gonna use. No one in my generation is ever gonna be a homeowner unless its inherited or youre bank rolled by a rich family
UnattendedDeviant
I'll ask again, do you have kids and did you tell them it's stupid to get a higher education?
EchoDelta141
A good half of that 20 million or so current collage students wont be woking in thier field of study due to low demand, competitiveness and ai taking their job, especially in the arts and buisness sector. Half of that half will drop out due to burn out because not being financially stable enough to focus on school and work. Not everyone is into brain science or transport.
A GED can be anywhere from wendys to an oil rig welder making 6 degits a year working only 4 months. Degrees arent garantees
WaffleDoood
Strangely enough, they do more than just neuroscience and transport. Getting an education isn't supposed to be about "getting a job", it's to educate yourself, expand your mind and critical information processing tools. It's odd how many American get so hyperfocused on money.
EchoDelta141
Thats why if you really wanted to learn and educate youreself, the materials are online, just gotta piece it together. I'd rather that than +40k in debt. And Americans live in the most capitalistic nation on earth, of course we're gonna hyperfocus on money. Thats the whole reason people work, so they can spend on deserved pleasure from hard work. If you loved your job so much, you'd work for free, you'd be broke af. Cant provide for a family and yourself. Cash rules everything around me. CREAM