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SnarkyScience
As a reasonable person, 1st and 2nd trimester abortions should be legal and convenient. That said, fathers are required to support
SnarkyScience
children after they’re born, even if the father wished to abort. So there are instances where the father is responsible, legally.
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Abortion is a medical procedure. It is between the woman and her medical provider. NOBODY else gets a vote, period.
pushingchildrenintotraffic
*gets life insurance on fetus*. *aborts blastocyt/fetus*. Am able to make the joke "It was an inside job" I crack myself up
svoka
gets insurance fraud suit, keeps joking while filing bankruptcy.
Hobbes777
It’s like a green text via imgur comment
16sosspectre
You cracked me up too. That makes 2 of us.
Leafus
You don't get a payout for murder though.
Kopar
*Looks at Username* I'm sensing a trend
rpgaff2
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
I don't feel bad for laughing. *I say while posting with a mostly anonymous account*
alvinthatsme
cptwott
dark humor so dark
ScotlandSaysFuckYouLongshanks
So dark it picks cotton
sirocka08
Guys, we CANNOT have a rational discussion about this through memes on Imgur. Stop upvoting vitriol to the front page. Instead, find (1/2)
sirocka08
someone you disagree with and TALK to them.
madmagyar11
Those are things a husband and father (to be) already do. Unless he’s a deadbeat.
GGCrono
Nobody is ever going to stop abortions. They're only going to stop safe abortions.
theanimalsdontjudgeme
If u want to see what happens when abortion is illegal check out Romania under ceausescu.
thisistheinternetimheretotellliesandarguewithstrangers
Argentina?
ZiggyStardust80085
And that is why I will always promote abortion. It's horrible how many women died or were maimed for life.
jinbee
I'm just going to assume "Romania under Ceausescu" was not super happy funtimes. Shame as it's a cool country.
ekzeko
You get aids blood! You get aids blood! YOU get AIDS bloOD!
Dagordae
Without looking it up I’m going to guess: Lots of women dying, possibly a pandemic of some blood-born contagion, and it almost exclusively
Dagordae
Affecting the poor/lower class while the rich simply took a ‘vacation’ to someplace less shitty. +minimal impact on the number of abortions.
Dagordae
Oh, and the poor becoming even more poor as the population increases leading to a rise in all negatives rooted in poverty.
MarxAvenger
Passauf
That man deserved to die. Forced birthrates for children they could not afford to feed. He was evil.
VanillaAddict
Or check out Ecuador. It's illegal there and women are being prosecuted for it. It doesn't stop anyone from terminating their pregnancy it
VanillaAddict
Just puts womens lives in danger. SMH
jamieoc
Check out Ireland until 2018
jamieoc
Check out Northern Ireland now
Bex316
Might be a good time to get in the orphanage business.......
kittnznpupplz
https://youtu.be/cn3S-ItvGhs if anyone ever wonders what it was like with total ban on abortion in Romania
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
I understand the point they're making, but in most states disability will cover a woman with a difficult pregnancy with a doctors order.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
These are all questions the legislators couldn't give a fuck about. They're not there to think things through, they're there to recieve/
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
/bribes from lobbyists to pass laws without thinking too much about them. The essential ban on all abortions would lead to an increase in/
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
/Birth rates in poor neighborhoods and ghettos, increasing crime rates and benefiting private prisons, essentially modern slave labour, and/
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
/those prisons run on taxes, so we're essentially paying their wages and not earning a cent off of it, only the owners and the super rich.
AsheLake
While I generally agree, I'd like to see some source indicating that money from the prison industry actually went to politicians like this.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Lobbying.
entercleverusernamehereplease
I'm so glad I got a vasectomy.
tomyironmane
The father is often required to pay medical expenses, whether she can use his insurance or not. He is always required to pay child support.
tomyironmane
There is no provision for rape in this requirement. There is no provision for exemption from this obligation.
tomyironmane
The state will not provide him with financial assistance for inability to pay child support. They will, instead destroy his credit score...
tomyironmane
... ruining his ability to live and work as a normal individual, and then incarcerate him for failure to pay.
tomyironmane
If his name is put on the birth certificate, with or without his consent, he will have to sue for a paternity test, as this is not a right.
tlamstrike
As for the taxes according to a caller on Seth Andrews' latest podcast there is a (red) state where you can.
DoYouEver
faultysage
Before Roe v. Wade it was estimated that 20-25% of pregnancies ended in abortion. After Roe v. Wade it jumped to...20-25%.
webgambit
And after Roe v. Wade I bet it'll drop to... 20-25%
SalmySwims
Not only that, but the handwriting is impeccable.
Kaplar
I need to either wake up or grab something to eat. Read that as "standing outside 'denny's' being a dick".
HaveGinWillBabble
Sounds like something Cyrus would do.
danishroyalty
Well that certainly wouldn't lower abortion rates either.
flyeaglesfly17
Great I’m hungry and now I want Denny’s. Thanks for that
Kaplar
Could go for a slamburger myself.
SteadyRedRanger
So your saying no more protesting things
HaveGinWillBabble
You're
SteadyRedRanger
It’s a good thing your here
StokedCoats
it's the being a dick part that's not cool. Protest all you want, just don't be a dick about it
SteadyRedRanger
I don’t think that’s what they mean
Somerichdude
Free childcare?
nero4ty2
many countries have "free" childcare like the US has "free" public schools, it's a huge benefit to parents
icanc4
Many mothers have trouble finding childcare that doesn't cost most of what they earn. So keeping a baby would cost more than they make.
cantcornerthewarner
stop asking questions they don't want to answer
Passauf
How many of you Christians will help and guide a young mother -do daycare so she can graduate/degree and #NotJudgeHer/Him
PhantomSway
Happens all the time. Doesn't fit with the canned political narrative though so unless you witness it personally, you don't see it.
WereAssassin
Single motherhood and religion have huge overlap. Not hard to imagine that is because of the social support the church will supply.
dogfavoriter
No, because this isn't about life. It's about controlling women.
andrathor
It must be so fucking hard living in America being oppressed. OH EM GEE.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
It's about increasing the rate of people born into ghettos and poverty, increasing crime rates and benefiting private prisons.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Pro-lifers: "lol no"
LeSethX
*Pro-Birth. They won't help with family or social services after birth, so they aren't actually pro-life.
thorinsbeard
Do you actually talk to any pro lifers? Because the answer to many of these would be yes for them.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Pro life PEOPLE, not the actual politician in charge, they're not paid to think, just to pass laws.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
All the time. Some would say "yes" to 1 or 2. But those are the more liberal ones. Generally.
muscarinenya
Why are the terms "prolife/prochoice" even validated anyway ? Prolife as opposed to what ? Prodeath ? Stupid semantics trick
thechelonianshelmet
Shh, you're not allowed to talk about the facts, the risks to the mothers, complications, abnormalities, etc, they don't count.
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Forced-birthers*
darkmagicisnotcheap
Women can just abandon their child to the care of the state though, even if the father would be willing to take full custody. And some 1/
darkmagicisnotcheap
But not all of these are likely reasonable measures to address the one sided feeling around unplanned pregnancy or lack of legally 2/
darkmagicisnotcheap
Recognized family status.
JohnG34897
For the life insurance question, you seem to assume Life Insurance is always available to any living human. Cancer patients cannot buy. This
JohnG34897
is because the likelihood of death is too high. This would apply for unborn children as well. Death prior to birth is higher than death afte
GoldenSun3DS
This just highlights the fact that insurance is a scam.
JohnG34897
You are an idiot if you think this. Why loan $ if insurance wasn't a thing? Car crash, house fire, theft could be catastrophic for 2 parties
GoldenSun3DS
Insurance does everything they can with fine print and legalese to avoid actually paying out. This defeats the idea of insurance, thus scam
JohnG34897
Umm the billions paid out each year with an average margin of 1 to 2% for the industry as a whole would say otherwise.
tlamstrike
Sadly it goes very quickly from "all life is precious" to "You're a slut and that baby is your punishment" to "you're a bastard child"...
tlamstrike
https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/br09s7/as_someone_who_was_born_from_someone_not_allowed/
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Glad to see /r/atheism is still full of angsty edgelords. Also the flood of "No True Scotsman" Christian apologists. Such fun comments.
tlamstrike
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Holy shit. And even in less hardcore sects, the mother and the "bastard" baby will never be seen the same as a wife and her in-wedlock baby.
nicouk
That's all fine, as long as the father gets a say in any / all abortion decisions.
pandro
He voted when he ejaculated. Then it's her decision either way.
TopCommenter
2 a child, she has to listen.
pandro
IIRC that's actually what Roe v. Wade was about. Wife wanted abortion, husband wanted to stop her.
TopCommenter
1 How do you mean? If a woman wants an abortion and man "gets a say", what comes of it? 'Cause it sounds like your arguing that if he wants
nicouk
A child should only be born if both parents agree. If either wants an abortion, it should be mandatory.
TopCommenter
That sets a very scary legal precedent for people who may well be strangers gaining medical control over someone else.
nicouk
I don't think it's a precedent, as there isn't really any equivalent to pregnancy.
TopCommenter
1 There doesn't need to be a direct equivalent. What your suggesting would create a situation where, by having sex, a man gains authority
TopCommenter
3 right - it's a privilege that can be taken away from law abiding, mentally competent adults. That's a bad precedent.
TopCommenter
2 over another person's medical choices for 9 months. That establishes that the ability to decide what happens to a persons body is not a
Shnarloc
I just wish child support was tax deductible
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Wait, it's not?... Okay that kinda explains why everyone wanna ban abortions regardless of what it does to crime rates...
AsheLake
Not really. In this case, banning abortions just ensures that there is no way out of paying all that money once a pregnancy begins.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Well, yeah, that's what I meant.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Why would it be? Parents who are together and jointly paying for their childrens' needs don't get to claim all those expenses as tax /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
deductions. Neither does the parent with primary custody after the divorce? So why would the one paying child support??? /2
AsheLake
Maybe the government should help pay for the costs of raising children in general? It sounds reasonable to me.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Then you're saying that taxpayers, me and you, have equal responsibility to the people who actually created that child. Sorry, I will pay /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
for programs that help the poor in general, but I won't support a law that puts me on the hook for supporting someone's kid because they /2
JosephSelah
The taxation should be the same for any person paying the costs to raise money. This isn't a charity, its the cost to raise your chikd
Passauf
I wish raising your Dependant loved ones at home ( parents) in my case was deductable too
ThisIsFrigglish
They're hidden under the big stack of reasons that men have no legal recourse to unilaterally divest their parental rights.
AsheLake
They totally can, though.
LadyBith
How? I'm not saying they should be able to, mind you, but they can't legally do it.
AsheLake
It has come to my attention that the mother's consent is required. It has something to do with the child's right to be supported.
Irishda
Reason #1: men don't carry the fetus
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
reason 2#: Men still have to support the woman and child financially 99.9% of the time for 18 years and child support is not tax deductible.
Irishda
So does the mother
nicouk
If she chooses to.
BrickShakes
You already know the answers to all your questions, morals rooted in ancient texts and bigotry won't ever be consistent.
seedye
Pro-lifers don’t really believe that life begins at conception, otherwise they’d prioritize banning IVF.
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
Versus the belief that a soul or whatever you arbitrarily decided gives you human rights is magically passed to you through the birth canal
BrickShakes
I agree that does sound silly, It's not really versus to what I wrote :).
DoNotTakeSeriousPls
I mean that’s what the pro abortion stance is. You can be killed as long as you haven’t been born yet. Life is a human right.
BrickShakes
I don't necessarily view a fetus as human in that sense, nor do I derive any right from nature, but from some form of ideology + pragmatism
AsheLake
1] And yet somehow we give corpses more bodily autonomy than we give women. A man cannot be forced to donate an organ, even to save a life.
AsheLake
2] Why should it be any different for a woman?
IAmNotTomBrady
If the father wants an abortion and the mother keeps it, should he still pay 18 years of child support? Can make questions both ways.
Passauf
IDK does father not realize risks of sexual intercourse? Will his body be effected either way?
AsheLake
A father can give up all parental rights and pay no child support.
IAmNotTomBrady
Only if the mother agrees to it. He can't just hand it in on his own. My sister went through that.
AsheLake
Huh. I guess that has to do with a child's right to be supported, but it seems like a weird way to go about it.
IAmNotTomBrady
Yeah, you're probably right on the why. And it is weird.
AsheLake
This is still just another reason to fund sex education and birth control. Fewer pregnancies, fewer abortions.
pandro
His vote happened when he ejaculated.
GoldenSun3DS
By that logic, her vote happened when she had sex. Sexism works both ways.
IAmNotTomBrady
Thank you, don't understand why more people don't see it that way.
pandro
Society almost universally sees pregnancy as "her fault." But there were two people involved. A child needs child support.
IAmNotTomBrady
Yeah I don't understand that logic either. TWO people participated, two people are responsible. Unless rape but that's obvious.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Children have rights from their parents, yes. The abortion debate doesn't affect that in any way.
Kamasu0Tra
Sure it is. If we are forcing men to pay child support for the good of the child, then surely we should ban abortions for the same reason.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Abortion is a different question though. It's saying is the mother's right to her own organs greater than the child's right to the /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
mother's organs? The child has rights, certainly. But whose right is greater? It's a contest of rights. In our society we have bodily /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
autonomy. For example if you didn't sign up to be an organ donor, then even after you're dead, no one can have them. Even to save someone /3
nicouk
Men have rights as well, or at least they should.
pmac2332
So a man is responsible after conception but a woman is not. That ain’t equality under the law.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
You're conflating two different sets of rights. The first is does the woman have the right to her own body? Is her body hers, or does the /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
law get to tell her what she can use her organs for? That's one, and it's under debate. The second is does a child have the right to /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
support from its parents? That one's not under debate, yes, they do. Regardless of the outcome of the first one, the second one has /3
MrSebi
Pro-life is a propaganda term tbh. They aren't pro-life, they're anti-woman, pro-racism, and pro-classism.
pmac2332
As if the baby murderers don’t bury the heinous act of infanticide with Orwellian language.
muscarinenya
And if you're against them that makes you rhetorically pro-death. Magic !
PhantomSway
The guy who coined the term "pro-choice" admitted he did it intentionally as a propaganda term. Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL.
ChurroBear
Let's be honest everything you mentioned is propaganda to someone.
xavias
Just... Wow.. your logic. It's so so bad. How about they just believe abortions are actually killing babies and they don't like that?
MrSebi
You can believe a lot of things. Doesn't meant the thing is right, or factual, or anything less than stupid at best and cruel otherwise.
xavias
But your point was that they were trying to control women. Regardless of if their beliefs are right or stupid, you were 100% wrong.
TheDethroning
And on the opposite side, what of the fathers with hearts of gold who have the misfortune of having children of terrible mothers?
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
They couldn't give a fuck either way, they just wanna increase birth rates in shitty areas to raise crime rates and benefit private prisons
TheDethroning
But wait, how dare someone have the audacity to take a child away from a mother
KingBizkitGetter
"That's my chile!"
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
No that's your Peru.
JosephSelah
The child grows in her body. Stop pretending like your pregnant and understand pregnancy
SmolTenk
more importantly... If life starts at conception, what about pregnant inmates? Is the government suddenly allowed to imprison people >
Youhavinagiraffe
And pregnant illegal immigrants can't be deported because the fetus has the right to citizenship.
LadyBith
lets not kid ourselves. Life starts at conception. The question is what rights that life has.
foltjman42
Definitely the best statement here
BitchButcher
As Georg Carlin said: Life is a countinous stream that just flows.
AfterTheRainComesTheRainbow
A clump of cells has zero rights. It has no brain activity, like most pro lifers
SpazzyP
Best statement here but you made 105 people feel bad about themselves.
digitiliad
People argue this thinking they're scientific rather than some hoodoo, but scientifically, life starts before conception, and it's stupid
digitiliad
self-serving hoodoo that moves the "life" goalpost to whatever line is convenient to an argument.
iguessihaveto
Life is a continuum in which biological material is spewed out of other biological material. It's also irrelevant. Bodily autonomy is the
iguessihaveto
Question here. If we won't even make organ donation mandatory after death, to save someone else's life, and you can't compel anyone to give
LadyBith
I'm just asking people to use the correct terms and not try and obfuscate things. The fetus is alive. There's no argument against that.
digitiliad
Very few people are arguing that. Bacteria are alive. When you see it brought up in the context of this argument it's sentience, spirit, or
morelikeconsham
Most of the people on this thread do not feel life starts at conception. You can tell because they are using the phrase "if life begins at
GrandProtectorDark
Sentience or Sapiens?
digitiliad
legal rights - a living human being or citizen. It's a fetus, not a prion. Whether it was alive in the strictest scientific sense isn't in
SmolTenk
well... arguably life starts before that as both sperm and egg are alive, but that renders the discussion kinda moot.
LadyBith
Fair enough. The life of the organism in question starts at conception.
Snoopy101x
What defines "life"?
LiberalViking
These guys are going by unique DNA.
SovietRider
Pff, by extension, they are an extension of the parents life, and were once the parents themselves... Extreme early term abortion?
morelikeconsham
Sperm and eggs are alive in the same sense that a white blood cell is alive. Not really the same as a zygote, which is the first point you
morelikeconsham
Have a living cell with unique DNA.
Hezaethox
Sperm and egg cells have different DNA too. So do many other cells in your body - part of the reason Cancer, Lupus, or Organ failure happen.
ElephantKid
So in your opinion. A cell made by humans with a unique DNA = life?
ElephantKid
Im not pro choice or pro life. But i gotta point out that the point of "life creation" isnt the same as "receiving citizenship"...
ElephantKid
For the record. Im "Kill All fetuss. Unless both "mother" and "father" want it to live." I view fetuss as parasites.
SextusPompeiusMagnusPius
The right to due process, in the US at least, is not limited to citizens.
ElephantKid
Ok. Valid point. I retract what i said.
SmolTenk
without due process? Just because its convenient?
whatwhatwhonow
I mean they already do this ...
barbarian818
Well, a fetus is already going to be incarcerated in the womb for ~9mths so... Seriously though, pregnant inmates get special care until
barbarian818
delivery, then the baby gets fostered while mother finishes sentence.
rachomperoo
Holy shit what an argument
Duskz
Yo dude... These questions are waaaay to hard for Christians to answer, back off! (Sarcasm)
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
This entire abortion ban is for the purpose of increasing the poor population, increasing crime rates and benefitting private prisons though
adventurekitten
What the purpose for pro-lifers before private prisons?
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Pro-life people: Religous/Personal beliefs. Pro Life politicians: Removing bodily rights to help fill the private prisons back up.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Also to make it hard for women to work, so they'll stay at home raising babies, where they belong. Oh, and to punish them for having sex.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Shit like this rarely happens just because a bunch of rich religious people wanna pass shitty laws to oppress people with no direct benefit/
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
/To them. they do shit like this because it benefits them, either in the form of power or economical gain.
BolenArrow
lol that is a very wild assertion. Pretty sure the majority of the gen pop in these states probably agree with banning abortion.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Not when it's even rape victims and victims of incest, and the punishment is THAT harsh.
BolenArrow
it's harsh for doctors, the women will not be prosecuted. Read.
BolenArrow
which means btw they can step out of the state, get the procedure, and return and not face persecution.
SteadyMobbin69
Yeah sure my farmer aunt and uncle are pro life because they want their daughter to be poor and turn to crime, then you guessed it jailtime!
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
The POLITICIANS, stop doing leg day by jumping to conclusions.
SteadyMobbin69
I have my jump to conclusion mat and it tells me your point is moot! Politicians often align their views with constituents. No conspiracy.
HaveGinWillBabble
Don't be naive.
moonshadowkati
Yeah, this is not that. Abortion is one of those hot ticket issues that get trotted out to deflect attention from more important issues.
tacoparlor
Politicians give 0 fucks about their constituents. We have rapists, child molesters and thieves reelected. They don't need our views.
Lionskull
that's some Illuminati shit you're accusing people of.
BolenArrow
The downvotes are silly here. It really is a wild insane thing ot say.
weshallseeeee
Read Punishment and Inequality in America by Bruce Western. Many theorists agree that America has 20% of the world's prison profits 1/2
Lionskull
i'm not denying that the private prisons are a problem and that drug laws are in place to keep them filled, but saying that abortion laws>
weshallseeeee
on purpose. 2/2
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
It's more viable then people lobbying millions of dollars just because they don't like abortion, and don't gain anything off of it.
Lionskull
people honestly think that it's murder. And that abstinence is a viable option.
Xyolak
Religion? It's not always about financial and physical gain if they are fenatics
Scaramucci
The same people who fight to make abortions illegal are ironically the same that fight against policies that would actually decrease them.
Bricklemeyer
Gah, those people really salt my melon!
perfecteye18
You can lead a deer to the food plot, but sometimes the sun aint shining
Bricklemeyer
/a/Jzbbtmc
CammieCakes
It's not ironic. People who want abortions banned will ONLY accept ZERO abortions, not "decreased abortions".
acunninglinguist
The irony here is the people expecting an abortion ban to work also insist that any gun regulations are pointless.
CammieCakes
Again, not ironic to them because they look at issues in vacuums. If you want to win them over, you have to do the same.
amglasgow
It's not ironic at all if you understand their goals.
KRS101
That's a very broad generalization
Scaramucci
A generalization maybe, but also largely true. Especially when it comes to the policitians themselves.
darkmagicisnotcheap
I think many of them would support forcing the father to, at minimum, financially contribute.
confanity
None of those assholes care about human life at all. Very few of them pretend to care about the facts of the matter.
thisgoesto11
I have no real proof of this, but making abortions illegal seems like a great way to ensure that the underclass stays under.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
They want more people born in shitty conditions to raise crime levels, benefitting private prisons which is essentially modern slave labour.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
I doubt republicans want more democrats.
AsheLake
1] They have voter suppression and the electoral system to make sure it doesn't matter. Not to mention gerrymandering. And the fact that
AsheLake
2] felons can't vote, but still count for electoral points. It's basically the 3/5ths compromise all over again.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
The three fifths compromise was a way to prevent democrats getting voting power from their slave population, so if this is 1/2
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
the 3/5th comprise what would that imply about the relationship between poor people in shitty conditions and the democrat party? 2/2
Neptuneflyer
Or maybe, they believe abortion is killing babies. I don't agree, but if you thought thousands of babies were being murdered you'd freak out
MechanicalMistress
It's one of the easiest things to advocate for because it literally takes no effort to vouch for the unborn.
Scaramucci
I'm willing to accept some people genuinely believe that. Which kind of makes it even more bizarre how so many of them are also the ones ->
Scaramucci
->to oppose the policies that can actually reduce abortions. They should have been the first people to go for that.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
They rarely do something like this because they're sadists or freaks, 99.9% of the time it's because it directly benefits them some way.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
The politicians that is.
Neptuneflyer
Oh I agree when it comes to politicians, Republican politicians are horrible. I was talking about their voter base and the protestors.
AllTimeTired
What policy would reduce abortion? (I really don't know, and am just interested)
Olvarel
The fact is that the amount of abortions will stay about the same. But way less safer because illegal. Poor people will suffer the most.
TopCommenter
Teaching literally anything medically accurate during sex ed, which is not required in most states.
Stargrave3000
Evfective sex ed, readily available contraceptives, anal...
survivorofdetroit
Comprehensive sex education, easily available/affordable contraceptives. Colorado reduced abortions by 60% that way. 1/2
survivorofdetroit
https://rewire.news/article/2017/12/04/colorado-program-continues-reduce-teen-abortion-pregnancy-rates/
Zahnradfee
That's because those people don't actually care about preventing people from suffering, they care about punishing women for having sex.
tyger87
While I don't necessarily agree with the law in question here, your statement is both accurate, and not. There are intent behind the law 1/
tyger87
Is to show there are consequences to actions. They just made those consequences more extreme. I'm allowed to get drunk everyone night at 2/
tyger87
Home, and it's legal, but my life and liver will suffer the consequences. There is a side effect to sex..potential pregnancy! And if you 3/
tyger87
Are not mature enough and ready to to live with that consequence, the life inside you should not have to pay that price. Obviously this 4/
theirrationalshoutingofmyterrifiedlizardbrain
Hey hey hey. Give'em some credit, at least 1/2 of them are trying to generate more poor people with little education and no career options.
digitiliad
Yes, that is it. That is what this is about. No other reason of consequence.
Taxicat
A lot of them also believe the “white genocide” myth and want to force more white women to have babies they don’t want.
Meatmissile3000
thats shitty
Neptuneflyer
This isn't actually true but okay
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
*bingo noises*
idontevenlookatusernames
"Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity"
restos
That, and keeping a large population of poor people to use for unlivable wages.
PolarHailStorm
It makes me sad because have you seen women? They're fucking amazing. Forces of nature. My grandmother was a fucking powerhouse of a woman.
PolarHailStorm
She literally set the standard. Her last words were 'I've had enough. I'm going now. Don't fucking cry.' I mean come on!
PolarHailStorm
Just over 5', weighed less than 100lbs in her later life. 'What if someone breaks in and you are alone?' 'They don't wanna' okay nan damn
PolarHailStorm
It was a thing in the family after she died that the next person to go was fucked. Fortunately her husband went next, much to our relief.
MrSebi
Also saddling poor people with unwanted kids to further broaden the lower class and keep folks in poverty traps.
tesseract4d2
Don't forget that the poor are usually less educated, and easier to get to vote against their best interests
MrSebi
It's not even that! Poor people are easy to suppress, schooling tends to be linked to districts, bad ones have less funds, and struggle /1
MrSebi
Working a low wage job (or several, as it's needed) might make it harder to take time off work to vote. Or register to vote, depending /2
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
I think a point of clarity should be added here. It's the Republican reps doing this. Half of Republican voters don't want this. But their-
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
The problem is the for the voters who don't want this it's not a priority issue, but for those that do want it's a dealbreaker, and 1/2
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
the people who don't want it and prioritize it wouldn't vote for a republican under any circumstances. 2/2
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
reps don't give a fuck. Vote for better reps please, Republicans. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I really am.
ZoeMain
They voted for Trump. The time for benefit of the doubt has long passed.
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
You don't think any of them have changed their mind on him? Not one? Sometimes it takes a bit to admit you've been had by a conman.
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
And one more thing. I will do my part on my end to vote for the best reps available for my party.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Actually it's more like they want more poor people being born to increase crime rates to benefit private prisons, essentially slave labour.
amglasgow
Republicans: bothisgood.gif
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
If you honesty believe the republican population is on part with the actual republican politicians in charge, you're pretty brainwashed.
amglasgow
I did have politicians in mind -- I should have specified.
idontevenlookatusernames
"Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity"
restos
And that's how you get feudalism 2: Electric Boogaloo, since you underestimated how awful someone is.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
"Never underestimate your enemy"
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
"Never underestimate your enemy"
aptatlas
What policies are those? Free contraception? Sex education? People have agency and intelligence. They can acquire both without the state.
georgejimmydoodle
Dude, if you are arguing agency, then you must be pro choice, you know, agency even if you don't have a penis.
alchemist12345
They might have agency, but I assure you quite a few dont have much intelligence. Also dont pretend contraception is equally available
alchemist12345
and affordable for everyone, same goes to to sex ed.
SuperSaiyanYamcha
My sex Ed was literally “condoms fail 100%. Birth control is useless. If you have sex before marriage you’ll both die.”
Superboes
How should you even know to get that? Especially if even having sex is heavily stigmatised. Wtf
JosephSelah
This is his point. Some how you fight the state's role in free contraception and education but demand the state enforce anti-abortion
JosephSelah
You demand that ppl use their free agency for contraception and education, and the demand they have no agency with abortion
Scaramucci
Apparently they don't, and those things along with other policies like social assistance) are proven to not only reduce abortions but also->
Scaramucci
->improve the quality of life of everyone involved, including the children born. But you don't like those because you think it's the big ->
Scaramucci
->bad wolf of "socialism". Proving yet again that most "pro-life" people don't give a fuck about anyone else's life if it comes between ->
Scaramucci
->them and a few pennies in their wallets. So... you want less abortions? Then support policies that are PROVEN to reduce them. Or shut up.
insolentwerp
You lost me at ad hominem
Sloppydrunkcatlady
It's ok I know it's a big word
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
You don’t know what ad homenim is, clearly
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
If that's how it works then why are the states with the lowest sexual education standards the ones with the highest abortion rates?
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
because the states with low sex education standards also have low general education standards, broken families and poverty.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Teens are going to have sex, simply telling them "wait till marriage" isn't going to work
ToastyTV
"Remember the sky wizard is watching"
Krystoking
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Teens should not be having sex, period. We need to change the whole conversation. Sex = baby-making.
Dagordae
We tried that route for a few thousand years now. It does not and never has worked. Yet actual education and easy access to birth control
moonshadowkati
Teens are going to have sex, period. Abstinence-only sex ed does not work.
lordcirth
The teen body is built to have sex, a lot. It's normal and shouldn't be a problem if they are educated.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Sex is a fun, enjoyable recreation between two or more consenting individuals.
Z0op
Except there are countries (like mine, netherlands) that prove its no problem at all for teens to have sex, as long as they have proper >