If a cop wants to, they can always find a reason to arrest you, the end result might be released without charge after short while or they might just leave you over the weekend in jail
"walking across the street while black"=c'mere, I just wanna talk to you about why you're walking across the street. "this white man is a child predator"=whoa whoa whoa, let's not get ridiculous here, show me evidence. 😤
I just don't know why people go to cops to report cops. What exactly are they expecting to happen? It boggles the mind that they think anything good will happen.
Nah, the good ones like the guy that reported his racist officers get drummed out. All the remaining can stomach the evil and look the other way or are helping with it. There are no good cops in America.
Nope. Not a single one. They are ALL filth. Enforcers for the political class A.K.A. pedo class. They know exactly what they sign up for and do so with a sadistic smile on their face. ACAB from meter maid up to acting attorney general.
They have their own investigations going on into that person. He knew who the guy was. The guy shooting the video has a storied history of finding predators and then refusing to turn over evidence to get them convicted, and then blaming the police for failing to convict them. He both wants to catch predators but also wants to make bad police look bad at the same time. I have zero issues with the former, or the latter, but when they diametrically oppose each other, he chooses the latter.
The problem with your unsourced story is that it makes zero sense. First off, we all saw him offering evidence. There was zero cost to the cop to take that evidence. So that claim sure seems like horseshit. Second, it is actually against the law to knowingly keep evidence of a crime from cops. So if he did that, they could arrest him. All the more reason the cop could have kept him talking. Lastly, we all literally watched him fist bump the dude. Is it normal to get cozy with pedophiles?
Maybe he does have that storied history, but the predator was trying to hand over his phone and confession (the only evidence required in a case about texting dick picks to a minor) and the officer turned it down.
And why is he there, trying to do that? You think he was just independently overcome by guilt and did it by his own volition? What do you think happens if he gets a lawyer that starts arguing that the cops only have the phone and confession because a third party put him under duress? I don't know for certain, but that sure sounds like the kind of thing that makes evidence inadmissible in court.
Also note how the video cuts out when the cop starts explaining why he's doing what he's doing.
It doesn't cut out when the cop starts explaining. The cop very clearly started saying the exact same thing he'd already said 3 times.
And it doesn't matter at all if the phone was gathered under duress. The due process clause only bars the admission of a confession or statement only if state or government coercion was involved. The credibility of the confession would rightfully be called into question in court, but not the phone's... which is the key piece of evidence.
2:20 : COP: "Here's how it works, you already know..." [CUT] Hunter: "I actually just got done testifying..."
So cops can just have "volunteers" go around, group up on specific individuals they don't like, make them unlock their phones/PCs and make them hand it over to police? Good to know, I guess.
No. That would still count as governmental/state coercion because it was done at the orders of an agent of the state (the police). And before you ask: yes, the police could (and do) try to do it anyway and hide that they did.
There is no good legal reason for this police officer to not intake the professed phone into evidence. This is the police tacitly admitting that they do not plan to charge this predator for sexually harassing a minor.
Just to be clear I don't love how the cop handled this, but it sure seems like the guy was already under investigation. The cops primary concern in this scenario seems to be not givning the hunters an inch more than he needs to, which might be based on them possibly messing up said investigation.
The cop is correct to the extent that he can't arrest someone unless he sees them commit a crime OR he has a warrant for their arrest.
HOWEVER, there's no reason he can't question that guy and obtain his name, address, etc and whatever else he is willing to say without arrest. Instead, he's doing his best to make sure the guy walks.
This YouTube catch a predator stuff is not going to work the same state by state. I am personally all for it, but some states do not want random Internet people doing this surprise sting stuff. Some states won't even touch it. However it cuts I think you're correct, this incident should be documented. Where I worked we would take an initial information report and pass the case to a special victims unit detective. The cop in this vid appears to be avoiding the report/work. I don't like lazy cops.
Bullshit he can't arrest someone without those precursors. How many body cam videos did i see last week of a cop arresting someone for driving infraction that a 3rd party just called in without evidence? At least 3.
If the cops see them, and/or there's evidence, they can make an arrest. If one of those is the one I'm thinking of, they caught the guy driving like a POS in the act - the cops saw him committing the crime and had tons of evidence from numerous people. Still fits under what the other people are saying.
Or if they make up the concept of an idea that a crime might have been committed by someone similar in height weight or color to the person they want to arrest, and then they arrest them on suspicion of being related to a imaginary crime they are pretending to investigate without ever having to articulate what that crime was in their reports.
Ill be honest i dont like cops, however my read of this video is that hes someone who's known to police and seems to confess to things on the regular.
Im guessing they probably looked into a few past incidents, came up with nothing and now they just dismiss him because its not worth the money or time to chase every single confession he makes.
One time during a deployment to Basra, we used to get this guy standing outside our perimeter all day everyday for months. He'd yell insults at us in 1/
Arabic and tell us we were all going to die and that he looked forward to seeing our rotting corpses and so on.
We questioned him once, and he kept insisting his liberators would come and kill us all. After a 48 hour hold we concluded he had absolutely no actionable ties and we let him go and he went back to shouting at us.
He said he talked to him already. Maybe he already has it or has no reason to take it at that time. People just wanna misconstrue everything they can to fit their narrative.
Victims often blame them selves for the incident. Some just hope that the crime would just not exist and they try to forget it and think that it didn't happen if nobody knew ( it doesn't work). Some abuse victims don't realize they are victims, and then many fear (know) that they have to meet and talk to police like this, who don't care or even downright despise victims.
I mean i dunno what else this guy has done, certainly that discussion warrants some deep suspicion and investigation of his hard drive. But all we saw on video is him admitting to just being really gross and a creep, nothing actually criminal
Where did I defend his behaviour? I'm just saying that this encounter does not constitute enough reason on its own for the cop to arrest him under current law. What you are legally allowed to do and what you should do are not always the same thing. Eg the law does not stop me from locking eyes with someone and shitting my pants but thay doesn't mean it's an okay thing for me to do
I did actually, yeah. Only part i saw was him being vague about saying bad stuff to kids which like... yeah I'm not defending the guy, that's fucked and indicates he should absolutely be investigated, but a crime it is not
People can say anything under duress or if they are mentally ill, under influence of drugs and being suggested into confessing to a law enforcement officer. There is no emergency, no life or property under threat, so no matter what the guy says, he has no grounds to arrest him based on confession alone. If evidence was presented in addition, that should change the scenario, but it seems that too is unlikely to happen in backwaters America
Yes, but the guy shooting the video has a history of promising to provide evidence, but then refusing to provide "best" evidence for things. If you take a picture of something illegal with your cellphone, the best evidence rule is the cellphone itself. Not a copy of the picture you took.
Why didn’t The guy filming go to the guardians of the child and have them submit the evidence to the police if he was that concerned. , if there were messages wouldn’t she have them on her phone? Or even if they were deleted the cell companies still have a copy. It’s a little odd to have this guy randomly show up as a third party.
Maybe I'm being naive but I have hope, I research and then share what I find here. Several times I've learned of something here before I hear it on the news. That's the beauty of crowd sourcing/ People power, we vet it and forward it in the hope that it makes it's way to the right people. People who want to and can make a difference.
Cop knows he'll never be prosecuted, case is too weak, better to spend resources on areas where they can really make a difference, like being the government's bootheel on the face of society.
My conspiracy theory is that the System likes that sexual predators of children are free to offend. Damaged children grow up to try to solve their emptiness by mindless consumption and having irresponsible sex with old men. And if they self-medicate with illegal drugs, they become fodder for the prison industrial complex, and serve as propagandistic moral lessons to the community.
Tell me you’re a pedophile without saying it. You are doing the same thing the police officer did for the same exact reason. When pedos see another pedo in trouble they can’t help but find some bullshit fucking excuse for them.
Yeah; more context would help. It’s likely Lebanon Pennsylvania given that it says “PA” at the bottom of the video, but it could be Lebanon New Hampshire, Lebanon Tennessee, Lebanon Oregon, Lebanon Missouri, Lebanon Ohio, Lebanon Illinois, Lebanon Kentucky, Lebanon Virginia, Lebanon Colorado, Lebanon Maine, Lebanon New Jersey, Lebanon Connecticut, Lebanon South Dakota, Lebanon Kansas, Lebanon Nebraska.
He's not talking about the country. There are cities in the US named Lebanon (PA & TN that I know of). He's saying he did this same thing in one of them. They are probably neighbors to one of those cities.
This is the network. Fuck with the network they'll just kill you. You cannot go against this in this country without the fucks that grease their palms going after you both
This is what fear of the bigger dog looks like in real time
PunnyTiger
"Look, the first rule of child rape club is we don't arrest members if child rape club."
DontStressBeAny1
Hang both the cop and the child predator. We don’t need these people in our society.
Iamatinylittlebanana
If a cop wants to, they can always find a reason to arrest you, the end result might be released without charge after short while or they might just leave you over the weekend in jail
GrimleyGraves
Bet if he took off his shirt, there would be certain tattoos.
RHodeidra
Call is coming from inside the house
NotSoFatTony84
On the dude's Instagram it mentioned there was an update and he was arrested. No news about the cop or any fallout.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
2 weeks paid vacation time, is my guess
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Jesus christ this is terrifying. This is why people dont call cops anymore if this is how they behave.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
nintendolunchbox
Wondershozen Beat Kids!
SpanWolf
Kids on the street! Kids on the beat! Beat kids! Beat kids!
Dan0Beans
Detain and investigate motherfucker! You use it for everything else you pork smeared shit.
janemfausten365
"walking across the street while black"=c'mere, I just wanna talk to you about why you're walking across the street.
"this white man is a child predator"=whoa whoa whoa, let's not get ridiculous here, show me evidence. 😤
Roqinn
Birds of a feather. Check the cops phones and computer!
JokerFrown
this is just performative.
nintendolunchbox
Skeeter Jean put on some weight.
Saxytimes
He's busy stalking his ex girlfriend with flock cameras can you blame him?
whythefucknot215
Most pedos are in authority so….
robkyky
Just go to the DA's office and show them the video. With your lawyer with you.
mastikator
"So you guys are not law enforcement" neither are you copper. Just a criminal with a badge.
ShearingBlizzard
Check that guys hard drives immediately.
Jean1974
Awful!
martineb72
I just don't know why people go to cops to report cops. What exactly are they expecting to happen? It boggles the mind that they think anything good will happen.
TheFastpaws
There are no good cops in America.
7hatsBollocks
And the streets aren't paved with cheese.
LNRO
There are no good cops anywhere.
UnaccomplishedWatcherImNotaBot
You know there's bound to be. Otherwise it would be easy worse, and people like the proud boys would be in the streets killing even without uniform on
Aranon1183
easily*
TheFastpaws
Nah, the good ones like the guy that reported his racist officers get drummed out. All the remaining can stomach the evil and look the other way or are helping with it. There are no good cops in America.
SavageDrums
If there were good cops, they'd arrest the bad cops.
But when they try, the bad cops have them fired or killed.
LeonBrooks
Nope. Not a single one. They are ALL filth. Enforcers for the political class A.K.A. pedo class. They know exactly what they sign up for and do so with a sadistic smile on their face. ACAB from meter maid up to acting attorney general.
LokilairTTV
So... ICE, you just described ICE. Which (and this won't surprise anyone but you apparently) many of he proud boys joined ICE.
doctorId
They do that already, they just call themselves ICE and the cops don't do fuck all about it.
NightfallEverdark
They have their own investigations going on into that person. He knew who the guy was. The guy shooting the video has a storied history of finding predators and then refusing to turn over evidence to get them convicted, and then blaming the police for failing to convict them. He both wants to catch predators but also wants to make bad police look bad at the same time. I have zero issues with the former, or the latter, but when they diametrically oppose each other, he chooses the latter.
johnblood616
Any excuse to lick those boots, huh?
Flodos
Source?
CliffWestern
The problem with your unsourced story is that it makes zero sense. First off, we all saw him offering evidence. There was zero cost to the cop to take that evidence. So that claim sure seems like horseshit. Second, it is actually against the law to knowingly keep evidence of a crime from cops. So if he did that, they could arrest him. All the more reason the cop could have kept him talking. Lastly, we all literally watched him fist bump the dude. Is it normal to get cozy with pedophiles?
LoudBirb
Maybe he does have that storied history, but the predator was trying to hand over his phone and confession (the only evidence required in a case about texting dick picks to a minor) and the officer turned it down.
So... that seems pretty friggin' irrelevant here.
bhraal
And why is he there, trying to do that? You think he was just independently overcome by guilt and did it by his own volition? What do you think happens if he gets a lawyer that starts arguing that the cops only have the phone and confession because a third party put him under duress? I don't know for certain, but that sure sounds like the kind of thing that makes evidence inadmissible in court.
Also note how the video cuts out when the cop starts explaining why he's doing what he's doing.
LoudBirb
It doesn't cut out when the cop starts explaining. The cop very clearly started saying the exact same thing he'd already said 3 times.
And it doesn't matter at all if the phone was gathered under duress. The due process clause only bars the admission of a confession or statement only if state or government coercion was involved. The credibility of the confession would rightfully be called into question in court, but not the phone's... which is the key piece of evidence.
bhraal
2:20 : COP: "Here's how it works, you already know..." [CUT] Hunter: "I actually just got done testifying..."
So cops can just have "volunteers" go around, group up on specific individuals they don't like, make them unlock their phones/PCs and make them hand it over to police? Good to know, I guess.
LoudBirb
No. That would still count as governmental/state coercion because it was done at the orders of an agent of the state (the police). And before you ask: yes, the police could (and do) try to do it anyway and hide that they did.
There is no good legal reason for this police officer to not intake the professed phone into evidence. This is the police tacitly admitting that they do not plan to charge this predator for sexually harassing a minor.
bhraal
Just to be clear I don't love how the cop handled this, but it sure seems like the guy was already under investigation. The cops primary concern in this scenario seems to be not givning the hunters an inch more than he needs to, which might be based on them possibly messing up said investigation.
RetrogradeLlama
The cop is correct to the extent that he can't arrest someone unless he sees them commit a crime OR he has a warrant for their arrest.
HOWEVER, there's no reason he can't question that guy and obtain his name, address, etc and whatever else he is willing to say without arrest. Instead, he's doing his best to make sure the guy walks.
TyrannusEquus
This YouTube catch a predator stuff is not going to work the same state by state. I am personally all for it, but some states do not want random Internet people doing this surprise sting stuff. Some states won't even touch it. However it cuts I think you're correct, this incident should be documented. Where I worked we would take an initial information report and pass the case to a special victims unit detective. The cop in this vid appears to be avoiding the report/work. I don't like lazy cops.
backrideup9
Bullshit he can't arrest someone without those precursors. How many body cam videos did i see last week of a cop arresting someone for driving infraction that a 3rd party just called in without evidence? At least 3.
nation543
If the cops see them, and/or there's evidence, they can make an arrest. If one of those is the one I'm thinking of, they caught the guy driving like a POS in the act - the cops saw him committing the crime and had tons of evidence from numerous people. Still fits under what the other people are saying.
LordHosk
Or if they make up the concept of an idea that a crime might have been committed by someone similar in height weight or color to the person they want to arrest, and then they arrest them on suspicion of being related to a imaginary crime they are pretending to investigate without ever having to articulate what that crime was in their reports.
IAmJacksViagraInducedErection
I was a security guard for a time. Sometimes, the easiest way to get someone to move along is to be chummy with them.
FrancsTireur
Ill be honest i dont like cops, however my read of this video is that hes someone who's known to police and seems to confess to things on the regular.
Im guessing they probably looked into a few past incidents, came up with nothing and now they just dismiss him because its not worth the money or time to chase every single confession he makes.
One time during a deployment to Basra, we used to get this guy standing outside our perimeter all day everyday for months. He'd yell insults at us in 1/
FrancsTireur
Arabic and tell us we were all going to die and that he looked forward to seeing our rotting corpses and so on.
We questioned him once, and he kept insisting his liberators would come and kill us all. After a 48 hour hold we concluded he had absolutely no actionable ties and we let him go and he went back to shouting at us.
It happens. 2
Frobizzle
He said he talked to him already. Maybe he already has it or has no reason to take it at that time. People just wanna misconstrue everything they can to fit their narrative.
BigV
Why doesn't the black dude just become a cop. Then he can arrest people. Problem solved?
shardix
A black man becoming a cop is a betrayal of his people.
"You want me to play a black slaver? Ain't nothin' lower than the black slaver."
RichardPenne
Because he can get more done without the thin blue line wrapped around his neck.
slightlybrokenegg
Why don’t you?
Ivalicenyan
You get more clout on Instagram when you make a show of it
ForceAwakenWasLame
Serious question: why didn’t the victim file a police report so weird?
HerrHat
Victims often blame them selves for the incident. Some just hope that the crime would just not exist and they try to forget it and think that it didn't happen if nobody knew ( it doesn't work). Some abuse victims don't realize they are victims, and then many fear (know) that they have to meet and talk to police like this, who don't care or even downright despise victims.
slamorama
For the same thing we just saw in this video: cops will fail to investigate and belittle the reporter.
johnxbear
He can act when someone admits to a crime
yeahhedugit
Yeah, and offers him evidence of the crime!
AlmightyElephant
I mean i dunno what else this guy has done, certainly that discussion warrants some deep suspicion and investigation of his hard drive. But all we saw on video is him admitting to just being really gross and a creep, nothing actually criminal
necessity
18 Pa.C.S. § 6318 would say otherwise. Why are you defending this behavior?
AlmightyElephant
Where did I defend his behaviour? I'm just saying that this encounter does not constitute enough reason on its own for the cop to arrest him under current law.
What you are legally allowed to do and what you should do are not always the same thing. Eg the law does not stop me from locking eyes with someone and shitting my pants but thay doesn't mean it's an okay thing for me to do
yeahhedugit
Did you miss the part about offering to see the pictures he had on his phone?
AlmightyElephant
I did actually, yeah. Only part i saw was him being vague about saying bad stuff to kids which like... yeah I'm not defending the guy, that's fucked and indicates he should absolutely be investigated, but a crime it is not
yeahhedugit
But it's a crime he's admitting to a cop, and he's offering the cop evidence.
johnxbear
Being vulgar with a child is actually illegal. Sexual harassment of a minor.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Found the pedo
MySushi
People can say anything under duress or if they are mentally ill, under influence of drugs and being suggested into confessing to a law enforcement officer.
There is no emergency, no life or property under threat, so no matter what the guy says, he has no grounds to arrest him based on confession alone. If evidence was presented in addition, that should change the scenario, but it seems that too is unlikely to happen in backwaters America
zanaria
The cop actively refused any evidence. And no actually people have walked into police stations and confessed before and police investigated the crime.
NightfallEverdark
Yes, but the guy shooting the video has a history of promising to provide evidence, but then refusing to provide "best" evidence for things. If you take a picture of something illegal with your cellphone, the best evidence rule is the cellphone itself. Not a copy of the picture you took.
terajack2048
Why didn’t The guy filming go to the guardians of the child and have them submit the evidence to the police if he was that concerned. , if there were messages wouldn’t she have them on her phone? Or even if they were deleted the cell companies still have a copy. It’s a little odd to have this guy randomly show up as a third party.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
He also started with "Didn't I just talk to you the other day?" They have the guys information already. If there's something there, they'll arrest him
SmokeyEmcee
I wish more people other than these echo chambers could see this right here!
1stDrunkJoe
Maybe I'm being naive but I have hope, I research and then share what I find here. Several times I've learned of something here before I hear it on the news. That's the beauty of crowd sourcing/ People power, we vet it and forward it in the hope that it makes it's way to the right people. People who want to and can make a difference.
SmokeyEmcee
I agree. It’s a slow burn, but I find the most relevant things via comment sections. They are the fractals of hope.
mikeatike
Right wingers wont give a shit or will agree with them.
WilliamHuskerAdama
Cop knows he'll never be prosecuted, case is too weak, better to spend resources on areas where they can really make a difference, like being the government's bootheel on the face of society.
fickeroffick
My conspiracy theory is that the System likes that sexual predators of children are free to offend. Damaged children grow up to try to solve their emptiness by mindless consumption and having irresponsible sex with old men. And if they self-medicate with illegal drugs, they become fodder for the prison industrial complex, and serve as propagandistic moral lessons to the community.
Frobizzle
A video lacking real context and a guy babbling about Lebanon? Sure thing.
LeoFloof
The caption of the video says it’s in Pensilvania. Both Lebanon and Lewiston are towns in PA.
slightlybrokenegg
Tell me you’re a pedophile without saying it. You are doing the same thing the police officer did for the same exact reason. When pedos see another pedo in trouble they can’t help but find some bullshit fucking excuse for them.
SuperSaiyanYamcha
Yeah; more context would help. It’s likely Lebanon Pennsylvania given that it says “PA” at the bottom of the video, but it could be Lebanon New Hampshire, Lebanon Tennessee, Lebanon Oregon, Lebanon Missouri, Lebanon Ohio, Lebanon Illinois, Lebanon Kentucky, Lebanon Virginia, Lebanon Colorado, Lebanon Maine, Lebanon New Jersey, Lebanon Connecticut, Lebanon South Dakota, Lebanon Kansas, Lebanon Nebraska.
Or was that not what you meant?
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Nah, he doesn't realise there are other Lebanons besides the country. That's why he's a racist uneducated imbecile.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
The predator admitted in front of a police officer about his crime. Why would he say that if he was innocent? What context do you need?
Uselesstoy
Here he is!
The Pedo Protector Apologist!
He could have tried to protect any other minorities..
But he picked pedos...
Ew.
GoSibi
He's not talking about the country. There are cities in the US named Lebanon (PA & TN that I know of). He's saying he did this same thing in one of them. They are probably neighbors to one of those cities.
nintendolunchbox
The issue with lots of precincts is they need to be a part of the investigation from the beginning. Lawyers will argue entrapment/ no victim etc.
DorkJedi
so where does the fist bump and thumbs up come in?
nintendolunchbox
In that very moment Id assume the cop did it to make him walk away.. let me guess all cops are bastards?
DorkJedi
I doubt it, and yes, ACAB. There are no good cops. any that have a lick of good in them quit or are killed by the rest.
GoSibi
If that's the case here, cop should have said so.
whoatherebigfella
Why?
nintendolunchbox
They aren't spokespersons or allowed to speak for the powers that be. I'm sure there is way more to this than this video clip.
LoudBirb
I don't know how they could argue "no victim" when the dude offered up his phone, which had him sending explicit content to a girl he knew was 13.
The 13 year old girl he sent the pictures to is the victim. Her phone number's on his phone. The conversations are there.
This here is pure negligence.
nintendolunchbox
Be the lead witness
LoudBirb
What? Sorry, I'm not sure if what you're trying to say. Could you elaborate a little?
OldNternetWizard43
This is the network. Fuck with the network they'll just kill you. You cannot go against this in this country without the fucks that grease their palms going after you both
This is what fear of the bigger dog looks like in real time