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Jul 6, 2017 10:49 AM
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sweeney1987
Took Krav from Roy for about a year. Got in the best shape of my life and learned some awesome self defense!
morgan0073
Such bullshit. Anybody can pull the trigger faster than he can disarm.
mechismo
Please do the thing you're not supposed to do and I will OWN you.
Hizoran
"How to die"
tobiassolem
Yep. "Defense" like this is probably gonna lead to death.
LychFinderGeneral
This is a last resort. You'll probably die. But the alternative is to definitely die.
heeeeyyyyyyoooouuuuugggguuuuyyyyysssss
"Break the wrist, and walk away."
Awmph
Try that with hair
greenf1sh
Good work, 47.
boastfultoaster
Dangerneck
He would have been better off to try a jumping spin kick to the attackers head. No one can defend against a jumping spin kick. No one.
NoSleepTilBrooklyn
*Results may vary.
viciousbastard
http://imgur.com/P9OOte9
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Do not try this at home. Or anywhere else
SecondSince
*Do not try this.
p0rtigan
*Do not
Retromorphic
*Do
somerandombollocks
Reminds me of James Bond films, bad guy spends too long explaining evil plan and Bond escapes!
TomahawkJackson
All I see is the Proud Father in the background - videoing with an iPad, like a boss.
vayrun
I bet 90% of the people commenting have zero firearm or martial arts training.
SunAnvil
I'm in the 10%. This is LAST RESORT tactics especially if there are people around you. Knives are easier but I would plan on stitches.
vayrun
This is last resort/your life depends on muscle memory training. It's not perfect, it doesn't always work. It is better than just giving up.
RunescapeFisher
Jiu jitsu here. That shit looks hard if it wear a real scenario
valvarsson
I bet you mention it mostly to point out that you have.
simony104
I've trained with Roy (the martial artist in the gif) and Krav in general. First rule is run or give up your stuff. Krav is a last resort
labyrinthconvention
try telling that to MacGraw
KatHob10
Da fuq!
DatDataDude
When your clone tries to kill you, but your disarming skills are top notch
CharlesFuckingBronson
The one who starts with the gun is paler and a little chubbier. The other one must have trained in the desert while he ate chips on a couch.
teakasaurus
Corrected: When future you tried to kill you, but your disarming skills are top notch.
RingoRepostagain
That sounds like something that would happen in the Metal Gear series.
everypostepic
Don't you know, hair is a tactical disadvantage.
dietderpsy
LIQUID!!
fluxfish
inception
Crazywhales
Trust nobody, not even yourself
Coolbacca
But if you both look alike how will you know which one is the evil one???
Panzer89
You need to do a quicksave and kill one. If they have a synth component, they were the imposter.
NullPointThrown
Don't matter. As long as the stronger lives to pass on a stronger liniege.
CharlesFuckingBronson
The one who takes the gun has that weird facial hair, so clearly evil
PommedeTerreur
https://youtu.be/HcK-My1j9Hg
lefunkfunk
What is this? Krav Maga?
betterthanaboyfriend
Yes. A third degree black belt likely since weapon disarming is what is tested
CheoElFlaco
Weapon disarms are tested from the very beginning. And this gif is a demo, not testing. And this guy (Roy) is waaaaay beyond 3rd dan
IlltudDeiniol
Indeed. Roy Elghanayan; search some of his demo videos on YouTube. Absolutely mental.
iloveyou69
Not impressive if the other guy lets you do it
jbilly90
This
TedTheMan
SnugglyBurrick
Small amount of MA experience here: don't attempt this in real life. If possible, fucking leg it. If not, give wallet. You're more important
SnugglyBurrick
than $20
DrKriegersClone
I am not suicidal, but twenty dollars is twenty dollars.
labyrinthconvention
so that's what it costs to make a clone these days
ironlemonade
Lots of people keep their SS cards in their wallet, though, which is basically you.
CoffeeZombie
Yeah, people really, really shouldn't do that. There is no need to carry your SS card with you. It's just asking for identity theft.
forcedfx
Seriously. If you often travel through bad areas have a throw away wallet on you with some money sticking out. Throw it and run away.
adrianenspired
other way around. GIVE WALLET. also, when practicing, don't make a habit of giving the gun back afterwards.
CheoElFlaco
Decent amount of MA experience here: this is for when the stakes are higher than a wallet. So by all means, fight for your life and try it
SnugglyBurrick
Sure, there are times when running or handing over a wallet won't suffice. But I worry that people will see this as 'what to do normally'
OmenRider
Impressive display! Today we have the martial arts and firearms "experts" of imgur.com here in the studio. What are your thoughts on this?
7Abravo7
So true. This won't get enough upvotes.
notdavis
should try it with a mask and paintball gun
Friend0fours
Simunition? Let's not forget how gross those masks smell and how distracting that is in and of itself LOL
burninatingthepeoples
Maybe air soft and goggles would be easier. I would genuinely be interested in some data for successful attempts.
TacoPrime
Problem with that is the attacker expecting the guy to defend himself? He may be confused while one with airport is ready for the defence.
DrSparken
If the attacker does not expect defense, then things are super-easy. If they do, then you want to practice that much harder situation.
kashin32
its funny how reaction times work
FlorbFnarb
This was my exact thought. See if he can get it done before the guy actually pulls the trigger.
MisterWho
better yet, grenades
phamptom
You just have to make sure the gun has no trigger guard otherwise you'll break the attacker's index finger.
Kayback
It is amazing how easy this is when the "attacker" doesn't press his attack or fight back once you start grabbing his gun.
dietderpsy
Most gun disarms hurt the attackets hand, the instinct is to let go.
PhuggerMcGillicuddy
This is actually roy elghanayan and he is one of the most experienced Krav Maga out there. He is completely legit. This shit aint easy.
teakasaurus
The purpose of the exercise is to get speed and muscle reflex fast enough to pull off the move before your opponent can react. Repetition.
Dudedudd
Most attackers don't want to kill you. And it's a shock to them when the person pulls this.
DougDeNasty
Or a book and a Desert Eagle.
easybrz
Nice
thiscommentwillselfdestruct
Savage
Thisismyusernamenotyoursitsmine
Dayum
definitelynotawolf
Lamech777
I had a Krav Maga seminar that did this with airsoft like guns with rubber shots.
SiJL
What was the outcome?
Lamech777
No one ended up being shot, except for the guy that wanted to see how bad it hurt. Its cool how quick you can deflect the line of the shot.
IATTM
Lamech777
Nothing exciting, its pretty effective, the only person that got hit was the guy what wanted to see how bad it hurt. Nice big welt
SMforreals
So unrealistic. They should get real drug addicted muggers with real guns.
mmaatt8
Or regular people with guns. You never know who's gonna break
SMforreals
Or bears with guns. They're coming for us eventually.
Sweetumsbrandflavoredcondom
Best defense against a gun is total compliance. Property can be replaced.
HaxDotRar
Tell that to Bruce Wayne.
TyrantJester
It really depends on training and the distance of the threat. You'll never be faster than the bullet, but you can be faster than the gunman.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Too bad you can't out run the pull of a finger.
TyrantJester
You don't need to out run the pull of a finger. You do have to decide if you trust the person pointing a gun at your head though. I wouldn't
Hizoran
You can also be a lot deader...one life...give up loot
TyrantJester
You've missed the point. You have a gun to your head so you trust them not to shoot you? If you've seen them they have more reason to shoot.
EvanMacIan
Notice how in the second technique the gunman would still be able to angle and fire the gun while being dragged...
Chiseler
no smart person behind a gun gets close enough for these scenarios to take place
HeroSky
Plus you gotta hold it with two hands.
Chiseler
gun control means using two hands
vayrun
Dealing with thugs/muggers here not trained special forces. The average criminal isn't a mastermind or a cold blooded killer.
expertinlife
Smart people don't use guns.
Chiseler
only stupid people will believe you
d0nni
Yeah, like the whole point of a gun is to be out of any sort of range of an attack. That was one of the main reasons they were invented lol
Rikimarudevil
No smart person is going to be behind a gun mugging a person. If youtube for people being mugged almost everyone mugging gets that close.
Deadmanwalkn
You won't be disarming a smart person with a gun (not with any sort of high rate of success amyways) so no reason to train for them. 1/
Deadmanwalkn
besides, would you say the average mugger is "smart"? Or you think they'd go for what seems more intimidating (remember all they want is 2/
Deadmanwalkn
your shit usually)? 3/3
TheGhostofElizabethShue
I think the idea of classes like these is handling non-smart people, not surviving a Die Hard.
DavidBrooker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppKd2m6pzQ8
IlltudDeiniol
I might be mistaken but I believe that is Roy Elghanayan; a master of Krav Maga.
SMforreals
We should have everyone on imgur email him their comments about how he can't do that irl.
simony104
That's him
awcfgc2008
Break the wrist, walk away. Break the wrist, walk away.
Monkeya37
"Grab my arm. The other arm. My other arm!"
afxed
If you have a gun and are standing that close to someone you are doing it wrong
khsebastian
Guns have an effective range!
DocWino
Retired prison cop. We were trained in close quarter shooting. Tuck it in to your belly with both hands and point, less chance of losing it.
MonetaryMickey
Also, if you looks closely the attackers thumb is on the wrong side for the grip. It makes it easier for the demonstrator.
apaeter
What if I happen to need to rob someone in an elevator though?
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
You shoot them in the knees then take their stuff.
RealKingSlayer
Boom!!!! Voted up
dietderpsy
Criminals do tend to be stupid.
Tinkrr
Problem is, distance makes it easier to be noticed and makes it harder to intimidate.
DrAwesom
The is a huge diffrence between close and this stupid ass close
Tinkrr
It's really not that stupid, most people aren't trained to disarm someone like that and even those that are can still be shot in the process
Rhadjaz
Just like in Kiss Kiss Bang bang.
DoingItWrongSince1980
Hey, even I know better.
RealKingSlayer
This guy gets it!!
betterthanaboyfriend
Krav Maga often trains in scenarios where the assailant is often looking to harm but not necessarily trained. It's not MMA like in nature
sergeantapone
In CCTV vids of armed robberies the perp often does just that. Avg criminal is not smart or well trained, only violent and unpredictable.
Treblaine
However, same CCTV videos they don't hold still, they wave the gun around everywhere or shoot as soon as they think they're close enough
Treblaine
The ole "I don't have to aim if I'm so close I can't miss" strategy.
Maxamoose
That's the other class, "mugging and you", it's taught on Tuesdays.
Chpgmr
Wednesdays is driving followed by getaway driving.
HPWombat
Fun fact: because of training, some police officers have disarmed someone on the street only to give the gun right back to them because—
ThatsPermanent
--they're usually lonely and at least the guy with the gun pain attention to them
GamblorsNeonClaws
During training you never hand off a weapon. It should be tossed aside.
HPWombat
—that's how the training exercises always ended.
corbynDallas
just2comment
Our Krav instructor makes us throw down the gun to practice. We never hand it back.
EarthAnimalArmy
that was from like the 60s-70s
FatDaddyDoobs
Very impressive but the fact that the "attacker" doesn't have his finger on the trigger changes the dynamic of the encounter totally.
Displicentlickeroflittlethings
Good and accurate observer. Star for you.
RogerTheKittyhawk
If you look at the way he grabs the gun, he grabs the slide. Meaning that should he shoot, the slide won't return and the gun jams. 1/2
RogerTheKittyhawk
I know this because I've trained in disarming pistols and am friends with an instructor in Krav Maga. He had to do this to gain that rank.
jial666
This rebuttal ignores that these disarming techniques are generally last resort. Used when you are sure you will be shot anyways.
OpenCircus
Less than you'd think. Look closely at the 1st disarm: the 1st part is moving the weapon off line. It also overflexes the wrist, which (1)
OpenCircus
(2) makes pulling the trigger much harder and weakens the grip, setting up the 2nd movement with your other hand. Even if they retain it (2)
OpenCircus
That's a disadvantageous position for the wrist/forearm.
AncientSeraph
I see your point, but fingers are pretty easy to break, so don't think it'd change the outcome much, just the finesse.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
It would be a race to see if you can do the move before they move their finger an inch and put a hole in your chest.
Leithreas
Probably not even a real gun either. More fake news.
AsianEX
Lowktar
Or using his thumb
sergeantapone
Please take a course with a good instructor. Try to pull the trigger before you are disarmed, then come back and tell us how it went.
Fumoufu
A good instructor doesn't know either lololol,all the ppl who have tried are dead.
somethingsomethingwittyhere
...not to mention that this point-and-click thingy works from a distance too.
NotGarrusVakarian
Good thing most people don't actually want to kill, just threaten
somethingsomethingwittyhere
If you pull a gun, you ought to be prepared to use it, but fortunately you're right (in general).
iLynux
People who use guns to threaten strangers usually do so in a manner similar to this demonstration. This is very good training.
NotGarrusVakarian
However people are correct in saying most people would have their finger on the trigger in a situation like this
iLynux
That's true. However, as has been pointed out in this post, the guy in the demo would have ended up with a broken or dislocated index finger
HeroSky
Look at the way the gunman is holding the gun lmao. Nobody holds the gun like that LOL
FatDaddyDoobs
Exactly my point, the speed is impressive, but this would end tragically for most if your attacker isn't so cooperative & helpful.
KeeleonOhms
Anyone with common sense or skill uses a ranged weapon from range in the first place. This is defense against idiots.
Gingerpuff24
It's for training. If he was holding the gun properly, fingers might get broken or dislocated when the gun is ripped away. Just for safety
HeroSky
oh gotcha
CheoElFlaco
It's for safety during training, avoiding broken/dislocated fingers
KeeleonOhms
If your finger gets broken inside a trigger guard the trigger probably got pulled making the outcome less desireable.
CheoElFlaco
First priority is always to move off the line of fire, because you're damn right that shit will fire. Doesn't mean you get to give up
apsck12
+1 I don't get how people don't understand this lol are you going to do spar sessions at 100% and actually beat up your training buddies? No
usersubbordercontrol
Coward. That's when you get friends you 100% beat up and don't hold back.
SeraphMarcusGrey
In addition to the practice still works even if he had his finger on the trigger. It's always quicker to act then react.
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
But not always quicker to act your body through inches and feet of movement than react attacker's finger through a quarter inch.
FluffySlothsEverywhere
I think he means that with the finger on the trigger, there's a chance that the gun will fire when you try to disarm the attacker.
Jacxy
If you have a snapcap in the gun, it really doesn't matter.
CheoElFlaco
Of course it's going to fire, that's why you have to move off-line. No decent instructor will promise perfection, but you have to train 1/2
CheoElFlaco
In a way that shows you what the "optimal" outcome is, so that you can the work backwards and train for when things go wrong
Notanotherreallylongassusernamewithnowmeaningorclevernessatall
This
Imprettybadatnamesandshit
I'm pretty sure the guys in the video is aware of that risk.
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
And yet, they enjoy playing ninja. Seems normal to me.
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
This. I've made that mistake while training self-defense. Hurts like a mofo.
Ayyomikey
You don't seem to understand how the disarming process works. If his finger was in the well it would be snapped back.
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
Turns out this feller was aiming his response at a different target. Hold your downvotes! Save them for lassan.
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
Right. That's what I was agreeing with. When training gun defense, keep your finger off the trigger so it doesn't get bent/twisted.
Friend0fours
It's because in real life the attacker is a cop, and you never put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot.
Nytr013
Soooo his finger is always on the trigger??
Friend0fours
Everyone's finger should always be off the trigger until the 2nd they're going to pull it, only bad guys and Bad actors put fingers on trigg
MoonbuttTheGreat
Guys, @Shinebrightlikeagina is saying that the guys practicing in this video are cops, and they're trained to keep fingers off triggers
Friend0fours
Thank you :) I don't want to delete the comment though, but no one is reading my other comments explaining it
Friend0fours
I think people might have misunderstood me this is a control and defense tactics course, those are 2 cops likely. Leo's have that ingrained
Friend0fours
To never put their finger on the trigger until the 2nd that they are actually going to pull it, only Bad actors and bad guys put their finge
Friend0fours
On the trigger before they're ready to shoot
Gingerpuff24
It's for training. If he was holding the gun properly, fingers might get broken or dislocated when the gun is ripped away. Just for safety
MoonbuttTheGreat
Yeah, your wording was a bit off. Read like "anyone attacking you is a cop" haha
Friend0fours
Lol my TOTAL bad!
Shaows
So the cop will be standing 2ft away with the gun aimed at the person's head?
Friend0fours
These dudes are in a control and defense tactics course. I have learned the exact move that they are doing.
FlarffyCacti
Post a video of it then.
Friend0fours
Lol why? I don't really care if you believe me or not