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IronicUsername
My god, the speed at which organizations use people as a political prop these days...
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
It's fucking pathetic.
therealgrennhald
Turns out he wasn't a bad guy at all, just very Texan with his rifle and his camo.
otherotherbarry
And that is why he immediately surrendered himself and his guns to the cops. He is a good person. It's unfortunate that he was a suspect.
Vangaren
And then the police interrogated him for thirty minutes, saying they had proof he had fired his weapon, that he was going to jail (1/2)
Vangaren
All because he innocent, and did the right and responsible thing. No apology for releasing the image saying he was as a suspect. (2/3)
Vangaren
Now he's getting death threats from all across social media and at his home. Great job Dallas, ya dun fucked up, again. (3/3)
ZombieSteve
He was never a suspect, he was a person of interest. Stop spreading misinformation.
zeroceiling
Can you imagine the first time he saw himself on CNN as a "person of interest"
MaxPowah
Call home: "Maa, look! I'm on TV!!"
LoveFreckles
Poor guy already has so many death threats
CorvetteSnow
The white text over the white shirt is hard to read
prattleassassin
We need black and white cooperation -namely, a black outline around the white text here
caerulakid
Quick question: do white people feel the need to surrender their guns to LEOs when shots start going?
IgnatiusJReilly2601
This is one of those things that makes sense to lots of Americans, but makes the rest of us wonder what the fuck is wrong with you.
hessogladhesvlad
There are more guns than people here with owners who would die to keep them, once you live in that reality your perspective may change.
DMGuy
It makes a lot of us Americans wonder what the fuck is wrong with us too.
dizzyplaya
Spot on!
AgonyZ
I'm european, german to be exact. I own a gun here. I'd actually prefer the American system to ours. But that's just me.
fatfury
and the cops took his weapons... didnt give it back.. lied and said they shot their weapons and had proof of it...
fatfury
and basically treated themlike shit.. why was that left out? -just posted this on fb too
allhayl
While I appreciate the post, technically, he didn't "prove" anything (or we have different definitions of "prove").
GiantRobotsRule
He proved that at least one out of two armed people there wasn't a cop killer, so that's good, right?
KeeleonOhms
He didn't prove that a civilian can own and carry a firearm without killing people? Seems like that's exactly what happened...
dizzyplaya
The fact that that needs to be "proved" is fucked up. In the Netherlands no one needs to "prove" this. Nor in Canada, Switzerland etc.
AgonyZ
Yeah, but you don't openly carry them. They can and should have the right to. I'm European btw.
allhayl
Many people have owned/carried a firearm and not killed people. Myself included. So he proved nothing that hadn't already been proven.
allhayl
Anyways, semantics. Moving on.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
OK, good to know, but why was he carrying a rifle at a protest?
GaryTheCuttlefish
One of the black men shot by the cops was carrying a gun and he was trying to make a statement.
KeeleonOhms
To prove a point that gun owners aren't violent and scary.
dizzyplaya
I don't see the point. It looks like he was asking for trouble.'
KeeleonOhms
Going to a protest against cops is already "asking for trouble". Staying at home playing Wow would be a good way to not "ask for trouble".
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TheSexiestRaccoonEver
God forbid an American citizen carries his firearm on him to declare his rights. Seems like that right is argued on here often, no?
MaxPowah
That might be a great question, but in no way whatsoever related to the post.
otherotherbarry
Cause he had the legal right too in Texas. Nothing more needs to be said.
imgurthehomeofbuttstuff
But why did he have an AR-15 at a peaceful protest? He's a good man for doing what he did though.
somenooblikeyou
To tell the truth, often white supremacists show up and counter protest while carrying their own firearms You never know what humans can do
KeeleonOhms
To prove the exact point he did. Guns can be owned and carried without causing violence.
MrRandom314159
Guns don't kill people. People who shouldn't have guns but do kill people.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
So, 'blacks shouldn't own and carry guns'? Right, got it.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Sounds like you're endorsing the Mulford Act.
otherotherbarry
Really? I didn't know we were talking about scared of guns Cali, not Texas. And yes, I know it was Reagan who signed it!
ParanoidWithGoodCause
and people who own guns legally are shot by the police just for being registered licensed gun owners.
justlivinthedream
He handled himself and the situation perfectly. Impressive guy.
HighrockTendales
No he didn't, he brought a really powerful weapon to a peaceful protest. I can't think of a more stupid thing to do.
MirrorLOL
They tried to get a confession out of him: http://www.nytimes.com/live/news-dallas-shooting-protest/mark-hughes-dallas-suspect-released/
MirrorLOL
They told him they had video of him shooting officers: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mistaken-dallas-suspect-brother-death-threats/
HungLikeHorseFly
"Please disable adblocker" HAHAHAAHAHA no, screw you website.
MerToo
I'd call it a great recovery. He was a complete fuckwit to take it there in the first place, but he recovered without getting someone shot.
snet328
Yes! Except for that last sentence there, someone's just trying to pontificate their point.
bananamaniaman
Will he get it back?
LeonRoland
I hope they give his rifle back... From what I've heard its rare for law enforcement to return confiscated property.
justlivinthedream
The officer handled it very well also. Note he gave him his business card so that he could collect it later. He'll get it back.
Talonotw
It wasn't confiscated. He surrendered himself and his weapon voluntarily.
inconspicuouselephant
so...no?
otherotherbarry
No, he probably got them back from the DPD once the threat was ended.
inconspicuouselephant
Fuck, they didn't even give his clothes back. They confiscated everything and returned nothing upon release. Watch his interview.
Bend3
3. the news who plastered his face all over as a possible shooter.
Bend3
1. They were given the officer's card to collect it later. They will do gunshot residue tests and chamber molding to confirm it has no
Bend3
2connection to the shooting. Its better for the Mark since he has been publicly deemed a suspect and this will prove his innocence to
inconspicuouselephant
He was already proven innocent when he was released from interrogation. What are they going to do, find him "ultra" innocent?
Bend3
4. It's not how it should be, but because of how shitty the real world is, it's necessary.
Bend3
1.Yes. He has already been getting death threats AFTER being declared innocent. Guilty by media posting. If you do the testing and PROVE the
Bend3
2. innocence, then it will shut down that many more knee jerking nut jobs. Although you can't shut all of those down unfortunately.
Bend3
3. Also being released didn't prove innocence, only that they were done with the interrogation and had nothing to hold them at the time.
zoidburgerandfries
As a strong advocate of gun control, I have to say what he did was textbook - Its beyond textbook, it sets an example. Love this guy!
GetSchwifty
I dont get why we are celebrating a guy doing what any sane person would do.
MerToo
No sane person takes an assault rifle to a "peaceful protest march".
Talonotw
As a pro-gun advocate, I agree. This guy demonstrated exactly how the situation should have been handled
TotallyNotStartingAnArgument
just curious, what is your stance on haveing freely provided (but required) training for anyone who buys a gun, to replace (but be
TotallyNotStartingAnArgument
equivallent to) the waiting period that many gun control advocates propose?
bumholiday
I'd be willing to PAY for that and not forego the waiting period. But I live in California where pistols with magazines are now assault weps
Talonotw
I would say you don't even need to make it free or replace the waiting period. Do it like Driver's Ed and keep the waiting period. To be 1/?
buttcreambandit
Also very risky
pwnscon3
Standing up for what you believe in can be very risky, yes.
Sordito
Lets all bring our AR's to peaceful protests to help our cause!
NSAOverlord
are you being sarcastic?
Sordito
What do you think...
JibbaJabban
This guy is exactly whats wrong in the US.There is no need for civilians to be arming themselves at what is supposed to be a peaceful rally.
CodyPug
The people will give up their guns when the govt gives up theirs
mikeatike
So what was the point of having a gun there if he wasn't going to use it?
ParanoidWithGoodCause
gee maby because the protest was over someone being murdered just for owning a gun legally?
GaryTheCuttlefish
The issue didn't involve him. If the shooter was actively shooting protesters I'm pretty sure he would have fired back.
Dramacian
Don't forget to thank Imgurians trying their best to put his face all over.
KeeleonOhms
I'm happy to see it. This guy is a model citizen and gun owner.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Gotta say the Twitterverse responded in the best way possible in beating the mass media at investigating and fact finding.
otherotherbarry
Ya, sorry that the DPD initially thought he was a suspect, which is why he did what he did. HE's a good person and I commend him!
IceBankMiceElf69
Nah, I'll thank him for being a good citizen. I don't care about giving credit to those who shared it online.
Dramacian
I was referring to all those "manhunt" posts from hours ago. Glad internet did not exist beginning of the 20th century.
Tippster
But it worked. Police said they wanted to talk to him, his pic got shared and he found out. He did the right thing as did those sharing.
Dramacian
I was more afraid that some crackpot with CCW and network would just shoot him on sight.
itsybitsyspider
He is now apparently getting death threats.
Tippster
Ah - the "Good guy with a gun" argument. I'm stunned the gun-toting protesters didn't start shooting at whomever they thought was sniping.
umpbumpfizz
Good thing Zimmerman wasn't around.
justyouraverageaussiegirl
America, the only country where you'll see people waving guns around at peaceful protests
pwnscon3
Choosing peace when you could choose war is a powerful statement. It shows grace, self control, and depth of character.
GerhardRammelhausen
If you can't expect people to have that level of "self control", the situation is really bad.
KeeleonOhms
I wish this was top comment :(
GerhardRammelhausen
Not handing that weapon over would end in either him in jail or dead. Not making stupid decsisions is nothing special.
inconspicuouselephant
To be fair, peaceful and civil BLM protests are a rarity. They usually escalate to bullying and shouting of hate.
FuckTheUSCjrShamecocks
BLM is our WBC. At this point we just ignore them. They crave attention more than anything. Disregard them and they'll look elsewhere.
healthandsafetyinspector
You are right, he should have been at a soccer game. Those get really violent.
screenaholic
Having a gun securely strapped to your back isn't waving it around.
Texas45cal
Exactly !!
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
You don't seem to understand the point. It's not how it's secured, it's the unnecessary need for it on your person.
revelator
How would he be able to use it if he needed to and didn't have it?
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Let's give everyone conceal carry and see if the amount of murders go up or down.
revelator
Anyone who wants to kill someone can already go get a gun right now. Maybe most folk just aren't that desirous of murder.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
In what situation would he need a fucking gun? More and less civilized countries fare better without them
revelator
Country implies govt. Govt requires guns. There are no countries without guns, just a lot of countries where only the ruling class has them.
screenaholic
Unless he was using it as a means of protest, to show that having a gun isn't grounds for shooting someone, like Castille.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Having more people strapped doesn't help the tensions between the police and the community.
KeeleonOhms
Are you just conveniently ignoring that his gun didn't hurt anyone?
Shizaaam
Don't forget all of the middle east.
gimpycat
Also Mongolia.
imooforyou
Wow that is depressing. Comparing the US to the Middle East in social situations.
Nimrooo
Not even the Middle East. Just war-torn wastelands like Iraq and Afghanistan. UAE, Iran etc... are safer than many parts of muricaistan.
imooforyou
One thing that my Fox News viewer Father conceded was that this wasn't the country I grew up in and neither did he and laws have to adapt.
Erdan
Can confirm. Deployed to Afghanistan, lots of the locals just carry AKs around.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
To be fair, the Middle East is a lot more dangerous. Traditionally, there's little to no reason for having a rifle in the city.
AskingTheRealQuestionsToTheInternet
B-b-b-but what about the vegans?!
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
You shank them with Beef bones.
benehar
Why did someone downvote you? As a gun owning Texan I find this funny. (Well, funny that you pointed out how stupid it is)
TheLastSouthernGentleman
Probably because he's not waving it around. It's on his back and not a threat to anyone. That's how you open carry responsibly
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Having a gun is a threat to people in itself. There's just no reason to even have a gun (much less a goddamn AR)
TheWolfofUsersub
Username checks out
TheLastSouthernGentleman
Shit man I don't even carry. I'm just not scared of people who carry guns like responsible adults
keyserv
SometimesImBrashAndInconsiderate
https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/pokemon-go-draft-5-photos-5.gif?w=400
benehar
This might be one of my new favorite response gifs
R3mmy
Why?
Amythyst
Japan.
UnknownSquid
If that's Japan, then France is Turkey.
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
Implying that this is one big circle jerk?
Sokonomi
Showing up to a peaceful protest with a semi automatic though.. what message is that sending.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
That he wants to increase tensions between himself and the police force by brandishing a weapon with the potential to kill them.
MidiArbite
Brandishing requires a weapon be in-hand and the hand to be in easy access to the trigger.
Sokonomi
He did that when the bullets started flying. Im surprised the police didnt flatten him. Being shot at and someone approaching with a gun..
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
It's like approaching a stranger with a knife in your hand and expecting them to feel safe.
gimpycat
Or like approaching someone with a sheathed knife on your belt and expecting them to realize you are not trying to kill them.
Sokonomi
More like bringing a knife to a "we hate knives" rally.
KeeleonOhms
How many people did he hurt with his rifle? The message seems clear.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
How many people could he have hurt though. He also didn't save anyone, so apparently carrying a gun had no benefit
KeeleonOhms
The first question is further proof of his integrity. If he had been alone and not surrounded by cops he could have saved his families life.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Except he knew cops would be there because duh so there was no need for him to have to do that
MidiArbite
He did give the cops his gun to return fire with if they so chose.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
So citizens should be allowed guns so they can supply the police with weapons if needed? Cops are well equipped anyway
MidiArbite
No, but in a case like this with a lot of cops already on scene and under fire it's probably safest to loan them the gun instead of joining.
themerman
No he didn't prove anything other than that he is a law abiding citizen. Guns don't kill people but it makes it very very easy.
MaxPowah
Don't forget pitchforks.
LostEcmo
Law abiding - yes, good judgement when to use rights - no. FYI, stats say more die from knives, hands, hammers than guns. Outlaw those?
MaxPowah
If that is true, as I believe it is, the downvoting is quite fucked up... +1
sjokoladenam
Good thing hands are used only for punching.
NobodyExpectsTheSpanishInquistion
Those all have actual uses other than killing.
themerman
If someone breaks into club trying to hammer people to death, I am sure it is easier to tackle him than if he has a gun.
bettmensch
and thats why you should avoid giving guns to evil/mad people. one way to try and do that: better gun control.
corditedelite
Specifically what?
BoooBerry
Why not just lock up all the evil / mad ppl like we used to before the bleeding hearts made us severely defund mental hospitals?
TwoBallsOnePenis
It's because privatizing prisons. Mental hospitals cost LOTS of money. Prisons want non-violent perps to reduce risks. Worst decision ever.
BoooBerry
No, it's because the bleeding hearts thought they were inhumane. Look into it. Definitely Reagan's biggest mistake.
inconspicuouselephant
How do you not understand that criminals don't care. Drugs are illegal and guess what, the criminals have shit tons of drugs.
GiantRobotsRule
It's a lot easier for a criminal to get a gun when they're flooding the civilian market than when they're not and are regulated more.
tekkblade
Criminals are not using the legal market to buy guns.
GiantRobotsRule
Guns don't enter the market unless they are legal to sell. Manufacturers don't make weapons they can't sell. Laws do have a market impact.
tekkblade
I guess you think all drugs are from pharma companies. It never occurred to you that things can get imported illegally?
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
The war on drugs has made narcotic trafficking harder than it would be without it. I don't see your point.
TheManyFacedDog
If rape is illegal, only rapists will rape.
inconspicuouselephant
So you are saying everyone would just go out and start raping people? Get a fucking grip you dumb cunt.
tekkblade
I've never know a rape to stop a crime, but the CDC says legal gun use stops 500k to 3 millions crimes a year.
MaxPowah
I'm not american, but are legal guns really the problem? Even when it's a planed shooting a gun can be acquired anyway. Control the illegal!
gimpycat
In some cases, such as accidental gun deaths (kids finding them, etc) & a huge number of our gun deaths are suicides, not criminal violence.
MaxPowah
Gun ban campaigns in UK, Ireland and Australia resulted in absolutely no change in murder rates. But indeed, it's hard to tell in the end.
gimpycat
I think the best point is how lack of guns limits scope and deadliness of mass murder attempts, but if a person wants to kill you, (1/2)
gimpycat
2/2) specifically, they don't need access to a gun to accomplish that.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Only the really dedicated would be able to if getting a gun was hard. you remove a huge part of the potentially dangerous people like that
MaxPowah
In my experience, illegal goods are never far away.
knowsmorethanyou
He didn't "prove" that it's not guns that kill people. Nobody is arguing that all guns kill people, all of the time.
LikeABonerInSweatpants
Countless people on this very site have said explicitly that no one should have guns but military and police. Your "nobody" is inaccurate.
GoodOlZR
*nobody important
kapp70
I agree with that argument. Isn the military 9+ years. I see no reason for people to have rifles or handguns
itsybitsyspider
What about someone who lives by themselves in the middle of bumfuck nowhere where there's snakes, alligators, and all sorts --
kapp70
You notice I didn't include shotguns on my list? I don't have a problem with shotguns for the reasons you just listed.
itsybitsyspider
-- of dangerous shit?
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Humans conquered those types of animals long before guns existed. Don't be a pussy or don't live in stupid places
itsybitsyspider
Ah, so I'll get my bow and arrow or my spear.
KeeleonOhms
You're supposed to die, sorry.
itsybitsyspider
The negative downvotes seem to agree with you.
knowsmorethanyou
Are you intentionally misreading me? I said that nobody says ALL guns kill people ALL OF THE TIME. I'm not sure who you're responding to.
Talonotw
Huh. A preemptive strawman as a defense. That's fairly unusual.
LikeABonerInSweatpants
I just noticed their user name, it's some worthless aggressive sad pathetic lawyer that pollutes the site with chump behavior. Not surprised
cofee
Except there are people saying that. Like Obama or CNN, for example.
DMGuy
When? When has Obama *ever* said "every single gun in America is involved in constant acts of murder"?
LikeABonerInSweatpants
Your premise (found in all caps) is their premise for suggesting the conclusion I wrote that they constantly suggest. Try again.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
You don't make sense you dipshit. He's talking about guns not being responsible for murder. You're talking about who should have guns.
LikeABonerInSweatpants
Ok retard: People on here say "guns are only designed to kill, anyone owning one will only kill with it" I can't spell it out more, good day
DMGuy
Real talk, are you *deliberately* misreading everything being said to you, or just that stupid? It's always hard to tell online.
LikeABonerInSweatpants
Ok retard: People on here say "guns are only designed to kill, anyone owning one will only kill with it" I can't spell it out more, good day
rodiran
Of COURSE it's the person not the gun that kills. But a gun makes it so EASY for the wrong person to kill en masse.
KeeleonOhms
True, but they also save lives too, there's just no stats for that.
otherotherbarry
There are stats, the CDC says at least 400K gun uses in self defense, up to 2 million according to Kleck.
GiantRobotsRule
Yes there are stats but they all show that more gun ownership means more gun deaths. They're more of a safety hazard than a safety benefit
KeeleonOhms
And so are chop saws and swimming pools, which don't provide any safety benefit, yet Noone is trying to get rid of them.
GiantRobotsRule
Swimming pools are heavily regulated. You need a building permit to dig one, a fence, etc. I agree Requiring a permit for guns's a good idea
KeeleonOhms
I also agree there should be permits and training required. I live in heavily regulated CA and yet even heavily regulated guns and pools are
GiantRobotsRule
And if mass killers have to use chop saws because we ban assault rifles & better regulate other guns, great! They won't kill as many people.
otherotherbarry
Really? That seems the opposite of whats happening, there have been more guns, yet gun crime has gone down! Curious
GiantRobotsRule
More guns in fewer hands. The ‰of USA households w guns has dropped from >50% in the 70s to 32% today.
Dolewhipper
If guns dont kill people, people kill people. Then guns don't save people, people save people.
KeeleonOhms
Correct. A gun is just an efficient tool in both scenarios. No other tool is looked at with the same vitriol, ignorance and fear.
Dolewhipper
people on both sides of the gun issue are remarkably ignorant.
KeeleonOhms
I can't disagree with that. I'm often ashamed of NRA die hards and "progun rednecks". Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop arguing with people who
lcranston1930
I'm sorry, if your argument involves the phrase good guys or bad guys I will kindly ask you to go sit at the kiddy table where it belongs
CrapBaskets
Bring a gun or weapon to a high tension protest is kind of stupid. Permit carrying or not.
CorgiCircus
And to later be outraged that police made you a person of interest is also kind of stupid
MirrorLOL
Meanwhile, at every secessionist rally ever...
PileOfWalthers
Don't need a "permit" to carry a long gun in public.
screenaholic
Depends on state/county/city.
PileOfWalthers
Well, we are talking about Dallas, TX.
KeeleonOhms
Going to a high tension protest is stupid in the first place. He was proving a point.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
It wasn't originally high tension. That's what you're saying right?
nalewhine
According to all accounts, even reporters there, it wasn't high tension at all. Until the shooting started.
Jandegrote
Then still having a gun at a protest sounds stupid as fuck to me, but then again i am dutch what do i know.
marylanddd
and then what? did the tension get raised after the shooting started?
inconspicuouselephant
But if shit went down, wouldn't you be glad you could defend yourself?
SteakBabies
Shit DID go down. Did he defend himself? No, because the cops were looking for someone with a gun
inconspicuouselephant
It didn't happen to him directly. Cops were being targeted, not the protesters. He didn't have to defend himself.
rollipukki
What do you think would have happened if everybody pulled their guns when the shooting started and nobody knew who shot first?
inconspicuouselephant
A Mexican standoff?
umpbumpfizz
I've been through a shooting in Queens. I own many guns, but would not have wanted citizens with guns during the shooting. Too much panic.
inconspicuouselephant
Well, to be fair, Queens is not the most model example of giving people access to guns.
umpbumpfizz
Yeah it was a shit show. It really has caused me to reconsider the way I view firearms. I still love them dearly, but it's confusing.
inconspicuouselephant
It should be based on location crime %, just like you wouldn't want guns in Oakland, but Rhode Island might be a different experience.
SmartererThanYou
Not to mention if the police intervened it would be catastrophic as the police wouldn't know who to apprehend.
SpaceballsTheComment
I'd prefer running for my life and take cover instead of making a target out of myself. This isn't Syria!
screenaholic
In the choice of fight or flight, I prefer to have BOTH options open to me.
SpaceballsTheComment
Who do you think you're fighting?
screenaholic
Same people who you're running from.
TheLastSouthernGentleman
As long as he's not brandishing it that's fine. It's when dumbasses start waving guns around that problems arise
dizzyplaya
Anywhere else in the world this'd be viewed as super fucked up. If you walk around with a machete (without brandishing) it'd also look bad.
TheLastSouthernGentleman
I have more fear when I see a person driving while texting than I ever could seeing someone open carrying responsibly
Pantafle
See in the uk guns just aren't a thing, they just don't happen. You can deal drugs and not fear getting shot. Guns to stop guns sounds mad
TheLastSouthernGentleman
All I'm saying is to most level headed Americans, and probably some who aren't Americans, that man isn't inciting any fear
StarryPlough
Nobody has ever said guns alone kill people. Where does this retarded staw-man even come from?
Somanyquestions
Have you seen True Lies? That one uzi kills like 6 bad guys all by itself.
daugbret
I knew there's be some funny shit in these comments if I dug deep enough. The belly laugh was real when I read this one.
revelator
From the same type of people who use "retarded" in a derogatory manner, I suspect.
StarryPlough
What a strange cross-over
KeeleonOhms
Because whenever a shooting happens, the go to response is to ban guns not increase mental health awareness.
StarryPlough
I do agree America needs a cultural shift away from its obsession with war and violence, but that is a very slow process.
Neeidea
Very true better to do both
Groznek
We could also not throw mentally ill people as scapegoats every time a shooting happens.
KeeleonOhms
It's not usually sane, decent people committing mass (or any) shootings.
Groznek
Actually mentally ill people are the SUBJECT of violence far more than the perpetrator.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Sure, you gotta look after the mental wellbeing of your people but you still shouldn't allow people the means to easily kill each other
KeeleonOhms
Problem is sometimes people need to be killed. I dont want to shoot someone but I rfuse to let a robber break into my house and rape my wife
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Do you also wear rubber shoes everywhere in case you might get struck by lightning?
KeeleonOhms
No, but I don't think rubber shoes should be illegal in case I wanted to.
GiantRobotsRule
Exactly. Lead paint bybotself doesn't kill people either, but that doesn't mean it's ownership and use shouldn't be regulated.
KeeleonOhms
I completely agree. Guns are equally as dangerous as cars and should be regulated equally. Not much more than that tho....
GiantRobotsRule
Agree. But if we suggest having to have a license, registration, and insurance for guns, the gun crowd goes nuts like it's "govt tyranny"
KeeleonOhms
Unfortunately it's a slippery slope. Once we agree to give up one right " for the greater good" and that doesn't fix all the violence
KeeleonOhms
Problems, they will then impose more and more and more laws and bans because they want guns completely gone.
StarryPlough
Except cars actually serve a far more valuable purpose whereas guns are mainly for weirdos and rednecks to get a hard on over
KeeleonOhms
Well I'm glad that as of right now our rights are not specifically dictated by your narrow minded ipinion.
StarryPlough
Your rights will never be dictated by my opinions as I'm lucky enough not to have to live in America! :)
ratchethatchet
Canadian here: I'm just wondering why anyone would bring a rifle to what is supposed to be a peaceful protest?
shryleck
Why is prostitution legal in your country? Sex is disgusting. I read the bible.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Not everyone follows the bible. Sex isn't disgusting, sorry that your pastor touched you, and those aren't Canadian laws, so...
spinbutton3
American here: I too think it is ludicrous.
SoMuchPooPooSon
Be careful with those logical questions here on Imgur.
diehardlance
Wanted to prove a point as most idots before they do something stupid. this man just proved to be different than the norm in this situation.
Itsaidthecharacterlimitforusernameswassixtythreesoithinkthisis
To show that people kill, not guns.
SingleBarrelBourbon
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=mark%20hughes
ohidunno
Perhaps he was off to catch a movie afterwards?
motherfuckerfuckingmotherfuckest
Because 'Murica!
screenaholic
To show carrying a gun isn't cause for shooting someone, probably.
tiroler
Because some US citizens are just plain stupid.
Idonthaveausernamesowtfever
Forget it Jake, it's Texas.
Samagon
Maybe to show that there are people who can own guns and be peaceful at the same time?
TinaRuthBelcher
The US is fucking terrifying.
89kbye
As an American, we are able to open carry to protect ourselves and those around us.
bobziIIa
Wait let me load this first....
WarpPig
Basic answer: Because it's his right.
asmallcat
Americans (I am one) are dumb about guns
UrTwiN
It should be obvious. It's a statement.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
"Don't be Alarmed by the weapon ties on my back. I could easily pull it out and kill you at any moment" That'll reduce tensions.
revelator
For the same reason a porcupine has quills.
aviselafin211
Cuz folks living south of 49 are mostly ignorant of the most reasonable solution to gun violence. A solution already arrived at by 1/2
aviselafin211
2/2 the vast majority of the civilized western democratic world. But hey, can contravene that 2nd amendment, eh?
dontstephere
cuz most americans are militaristic fuckwits overcompensating for their low self esteem
AssBat
Obviously, it as not a peaceful protest. What if there had been multiple armed perpetrators who engaged police and the crowd? Possibilities?
ratchethatchet
But that did happen and he did nothing to 'help' with that rifle
AssBat
There were no visible perpetrators, so he did exactly what the police did and offer help.
plutus34
+1 Seriously not sure why people are making him out to be some kind of hero.
beatlegs
This is Murka, dammit. MURKA. Sorry if that freaks you out, "Canadian". In this country we our allowed to carry are guns
ratchethatchet
Well, "Murkan" I guess we put things like learning the difference between our/are before trying to give everybody a weapon. Weird, I know
beatlegs
I was being really sarcastic. Guess it was too close to reality ;)
ratchethatchet
Yeah, sorry, didn't pick uo in the sarcasm there...there have been several other serious responses along the same line
SmokingTheL
Well, im sure there are political and social answers that make sense, but mainly because in the US people get sniped at peacful protests.
crazypyro23
It's not a real protest unless there's a palpable tension
UserUnSubmitted
to defend himself from the police?
YarTheBug
Because myb some crazies would start shooting up the place? Why did the police bring guns? Why does the POTUS have armed guards on his roof?
schertt
oh canada, you're adorable
SemperFortis201
to prove that gun rights are seen as a white mans privelage and any one other then white people will be seen with weary eyes for practicing
SemperFortis201
thier second ammendment rights. Us minorities have every right to open carry and this man was trying to make that point.
orderofbears
black panther ideals. which just wants to protect those who can't protect themselves.
darthbiscuit
You take martial arts to learn how NOT to punch a guy
pwnface
Actually this is true for judo, jiujitsu, wrestling or any other grappling art.
darthbiscuit
Bullied in school. Took 4 years of judo and very shortly never had to fight again.
FallOfOlympus
Because in America, if you CAN you WILL regardless of SHOULD
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
In other words: Sometimes people don't use that thing in their head.
thanatos777
Because gun fetishism rules the day in the U.S.
weedtittiesandkitties
It's because americans are stubborn. we'll never admit we're wrong, we won't be told what to do, and we don't compromise even an inch
Keru
Mental illness, most likely.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Stupid isn't an illness, unfortunately.
unclefisty
Because MUUUURRRRRIIIIICCCCAAAAA. This is coming from someone who supports him btw.
KatoBoii
Canadian here: Because Americans love their guns as much as we love our poutine.
SlyRamen
Texans are weird
The1stBellicose
So he could shoot the shooter, because that's the argument made by the NRA and right wingers and that's what happened here.
Seweyhole
But he didn't shoot the shooter. The shooter was killed by an explosive
The1stBellicose
Thus the point is made.
WhimsyShiba
Someone was recently killed who had the right to carry but it still freaked out the cop because he was black.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Somehow, people still think it's a good idea to open carry when you're around police and tensions are high between the force and community.
Sprixxen
But it wasn't a bad idea...Nothing bad happened to this guy except a media mixup and questioning at which time he was cleared.
RachelOqu
I was thinking the same thing.
Sordito
Same here
MLeroyB
Because we lie to ourselves that a good guys gun will stop a bad guys gun. Note: this good guys gun didn't do shit when the chips were down.
SocoFox
Free speech/the right to protest, the right to bear arms. One protects the other and vice versa.
SephReed
for the sake of proving we're in a state of mutually assured destruction and have no choice but to work things out.
CaptainAdama
Because it's Texas and we can. Whether you agree or not, this was 100% within the law, and something the NRA has fought hard for.
Slowpool
Just because something is legal, and people fight for the right to do it, doesn't mean you should do it.
MickeyOSween
Nobody is asking if it's legal. They're asking a behavioral question. See the difference?
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
That doesn't make it any less stupid. There's a time and place.
Writingthiswhileonthwtoilet
Ahhh. The NRA says it's cool...
Lightpath
Canadian here, wondering why I still live in the US...
CodyPug
Cuz its awesome and we don't say eh?
Lightpath
Fair point.
StandardDeviant
Texas
youdonegoofed
Something to do with bear arms idk.
DarthReznor
Because we have a fucked up, stupid, completely unnecessary gun obsessed culture and we like to circle jerk each other over it
CodyPug
That's like your opinion maaan
KeeleonOhms
To prove that guns can be owned and carried without causing violence. His point was almost proven...
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Let's reduce the tension between the community and police by having more citizens carry weapons openly. By far a stupid thing to do.
KeeleonOhms
It was a protest. The point was to send a message not defuse tension.
EndgameArchitecture
Because it's an open Act of defiance and just a means to cause trouble.
Eightbitspartan
He has uncharacteristic views maybe? Ones that dont necessarily align with the media perspective? Good on him for it.
cesarnero
because police have gun too.
burrelstrnf
in case it becomes a violent protest
Ssssssssssss
Defending the protestors.
gimpycat
It's fairly common at protests in Texas, but I think in this case probably a statement that an armed black man isn't automatically dangerous
gimpycat
Probably didn't end how he expected, with him looking like a mass shooting suspect and all, but I doubt he was the only protester carrying.
Strikyre
Texas. Open-carry laws. People like showing they have nice guns and don't kill people with them.
Cavemenwin
Canadian spending the summer in the US: because they can, is what I've learned. Grocery store, out for a walk with kids. Seen it all.
HighrockTendales
Murica
killer10347
To ensure peace.
DrSuperMan
And why dressed lime Rambo.
NixonDidNothingWrong
So many loaded answers. The true answer is it's an attempt at normalization. We sincerely believe in our rights to have and carry arms 1/?
NixonDidNothingWrong
reminding fellow citizens and police that we have those rights. And to increase public exposure to responsible gun possession 4/?
NixonDidNothingWrong
Ok downvote me because you don't want to understand the actual motivations, you just want to insert your own made up jabs etc
NixonDidNothingWrong
The fact that almost no one carries them creates a societal paradigm where it's easy to frame carrying as a nutjob activity, vs a 2/?
MickeyOSween
Because it's a social norm. Carrying weapons to an event opens you up to consequences of breaking that norm
NixonDidNothingWrong
I'm just being factual about the motivation here. Breaking social norms is necessary to change scocial norms.
NixonDidNothingWrong
And everyone who open carries is purposefully subjecting themselves to the consequences of breaking the norms for the sake of their values.
NixonDidNothingWrong
activity that we are righteously entitled to do as citizens, which we are. Carrying is pure exercising of rights for the sake of 3/?
NixonDidNothingWrong
In short the answer to that question is: because people ask that question. 5/5
ratchethatchet
But in the US open carrying is the norm due to 2nd amendment rights, no? I don't understand the need to feel entitled to semi auto rifles
NixonDidNothingWrong
Open carry is NOT the norm... ??? The norm is to freak out at the sight of exercising the legal right to carry.
NixonDidNothingWrong
Maybe you don't realize, semi auto is the normal way all guns work.... pistols etc?
ratchethatchet
But they can easily be made into automatic rifles, which hold many more rounds than a pistol, no? Makes it more dangerous due to extra ammo
NixonDidNothingWrong
If open carry was the norm people wouldn't be losing their shit over it. Also, you are against semi auto? The alternative is muskets...?
ratchethatchet
I am pro muskets. It would give people a fighting chance to survive attempted mass shootings. 5 min to reload? Fair fight!
CKnowles
16 responses and not a single person has said it: To shoot back!
Seweyhole
Yeah his gun was unloaded.
CKnowles
Oh. Well then what the fuck?
KeeleonOhms
Because that's not really why he was carrying...
ShamnusMcfee
To demonstrate that should be able to carry gun without being murdered by the police
Wombatish
Open Carry advocate. Some are perfectly sane or at least law abiding 2nd amendment supporters, too many are 'sovereign citizen' etc types.
ReLeVaNtUSERNAMESareReLeVaNT
Because one of the black men killed had a ccw and informed the cop who shot him he was carrying
Dnoginizr
because its our right to do so and its texas, the doctor hands you a gun when youre born
ThisUserProfileWillSelfDestructIn321
Because Texas
ESears
This! And only this
jsktrogdor
They have a tiny penis, basically.
bohemiancrabcity
The guy protesting in solidarity with his brother who was shot for legally carrying has a small penis because of it. You are a moron.
jsktrogdor
No, I'm pretty much 100% confident the guy carrying a rifle around a peaceful protest is the moron.
bohemiancrabcity
It was completely legal to do so and played a major part in the death they were protesting. You say that has an impact on his penis size.
jsktrogdor
It's completely legal to key your own car. That doesnt make you not a moron for doing it.
bohemiancrabcity
That is moronic.
prettihatemachine
to demonstrate his right to carry and his ability to not be a stupid asshole with a gun
MerToo
but he's already a minority...
RydOrDie
prettihatemachine
+10
MrtheOffender
Cause some idiomatic Americans do it to make a statement, i mean, a pistol i kinda get but a an AR isn't useful for much
CommanderCaribou
Canadian Also. Open Carry state and im pretty sure if shit dropped with another guy shooting, he'd be prepared. (like Orlando shoot)
bobziIIa
Actually you immediately get rid of it so you don't get shot. Like dude did. So he shouldn't have even brought it in the first place.
GrandpaRossysOldManDongs
From what I've read, he had the gun and nothing else, so all he had was a fancy club.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
because those police officers could have just as easily started firing on the peaceful protesters without cause or justification.
MickeyOSween
Whatever
SFCrawNik
Because not every peaceful protest ends up being peaceful.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
Yeah, sometimes people bring guns.
ratchethatchet
But when it stopped being peaceful he surrendered it anyway, so I have to wonder why he brought it in the first place. Intimidation?
KeeleonOhms
Because his point was guns can be owned and carried without causing violence. He obviously had no intention to hurt anyone.
magamilk
It's part of the protest. A black man legally open-carrying his gun was shot and killed by police in MN.
ABlackOU88
More so a showing of him exercising his right. Weapon was not even load from the reports I've read.
Mapuchii
And guns help the situation how?
CodyPug
Safety
Mapuchii
In what way is a gun safe?
5A5Wolf
Easy, you keep your finger off the trigger and the gun unloaded. Now you have some metal that everyone still finds intimidating
GetOffMyLawnYa
To show people that carrying guns is not evil, perhaps?
Texas45cal
Exactly !!
Seweyhole
It's not evil, but as a Canadian, if I saw someone open carrying, I'd immediately feel threatened.
corditedelite
Weird. It's no big deal.
imafuckinstar
Then you should probably stay out of Arizona. We carry every place we go here.
Seweyhole
And by that logic you shouldn't ever come to Canada?
imafuckinstar
I grew up in Detroit...... I used to go to Windsor almost every weekend.
motherhoodlum
White people open carry all the time, and are not questioned. He was carrying to prove a point.
DreadCarcass
why does race come into this? a place like that isn't really one to open carry, he could've easily been shot as a mistaken attacker
bohemiancrabcity
There's no sense bringing race into everything and pointing to a few incidents and assuming it's that way 100% of the time.
bohemiancrabcity
White people are questioned all the time, just like black people are. Sometimes white people are shot and sometimes black people arent.
PileOfWalthers
Because it is his right.
baturro
Just because you can doesnt mean you should.
pwnscon3
It makes a pretty powerful statement though. Here I am with the potential to do violence, watch me be peaceful, because I can.
Derfalke
I'll walk around town brandishing a knife from now on. I COULD stab you, but I won't. Maybe.
PileOfWalthers
See, THAT is actually illegal in Texas. *for non-utility knives
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
The issue is tensions between the community and police. Stating "I can kill you if I wanted to at any time" doesn't reduce tensions.
Kittenman15
New Zealander here: "American Warrior Revolution"? Seriously?
PaintedBunting
More than not, it's gun fanatic clickbait. They're using the situation to get more website draw.
accipiter
American here - 95% of people who call themselves "American Warriors" on the internet are fat rednecks who never had any military training.
MerToo
lol "well regulated militia"
doihavetobeclever
Because some people really like their guns. I like pie. Sometimes I take pie to places I shouldn't, because it's delicious.
Ander109
This Glock 17 is the best gun I've ever tasted.
ballsmcnadfrop
This pie is killer.
lazygrinder
I like the cut of your jib.
DrSuperMan
So you take the pie for a walk only? Or do you end up eating it?
Zegot
but what if the pies were made in a bomb factory?
cephalopodrex
People tell me I can't bring my pie to business meetings; I tell them not to bring their business to meet my pie.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
*thumbs up*
balsamicninja
If a plane doesn't want pie, it doesn't want me! #piehard
soupisforwinners
I like many different types of soups.
wrknsmart
This could be a little more problematic, but I say go for it. Fly your freak flag proudly!
10000Bees
You sound like a winner
mvp84
Yeah but can you make sure we don't have that super dangerous and fatty pie? Nobody benefits from that pie.
euxneks
I dunno, I really like pie but I keep it at home. I don't like to share.
seuratparrot
I care a great deal about pie, i never thought about the joys of open carry pie. Thank you for this.
dinklebot2000
Pie doesn't kill people, diabetes kills people.
Solscorn
I too shall begin carrying pie around with me without fear.
ModernDayBabaYaga
ha! open carry pie, +1
rollipukki
I like guns, I really do. But there is a time and place. Crowded protest/rally seems like a really bad time and place.
FirmAndPerkyIsBetterThanWideAndFat
Carrying a firearm around police at a protest while tensions are high between the community and the force. The guy is fucking moron.
MidiArbite
Yet he showed that he could be friendly and decent to the cops and other people even with a gun.
EndgameArchitecture
Exactly. Why are people hailing this twatwaffle as some kind of hero?
Sprixxen
I wouldn't say he's a hero but he did nothing wrong either. The context of a licensed firearm carrier being shot by police is why->
Sprixxen
I imagine he is carrying his legal firearm.
Ronsedm
french here... can people can really carry a rifle in a protest ?
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
You should have asked that question on May 4, 1970 at Kent State
TheSaucyPineapple
CaptainAdama
In most of Texas, yes. Gun laws vary based on the state.
gimpycat
Yeah, restrictions vary state to state and locally, but Texas is pretty gun-friendly overall.
ballpeenX
Carrying a firearm openly is legal in some places. Carrying concealed usually requires a permit.
umpbumpfizz
Depends on the state. Open carry laws are very diverse around the country.
JD10001
Yes. That is why America is still on their first republic instead of their fifth in the same general time frame.
Anonypuss
Correlation does not imply causation
JD10001
The 2nd part of that is nor does correlation refute causation.
PaintedBunting
There's a huge controversy recently about how it's legal to carry firearms on Texas universities now. Professors are quitting.
CodyPug
Good we need less pussies
MnemonicMonkeys
We haven't seen any issues with violence come from it yet, and it's been a year since they allowed it.
joeynew
Good point... if he was ever going to use it would it not be that instance? Leave your weponds at home in a safe place.
shorey66
They were protesting about the dude who got shot with a fully legal gun on him I think. So he took his (admittedly big as fuck) gun.
MnemonicMonkeys
If you think that's big, Google the Lahti L-39
bloodyitchyanus
If you think an AR is big I'll show you my m91/30
shorey66
Your username makes me nervous ????
unclefisty
AR-15s are not that big. They are pretty small actually.
shorey66
They look pretty damn big when you're sauntering along the street with it.
Wylf
They're arguably big as fuck when compared to a handgun :p
Ihmhi
Well then you can call me Mr. AR-15! (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Ihmhi
WAIT
bloodyitchyanus
What
Delta2Almanac
As an American who owns several AR's I asked the same question.
TheMachineKill3r
Same, quite dumb.
way2spooky4me
It's not dumb. It's American dumb.
bohemiancrabcity
It was probably protesting the fact the the guy in Minnesota was shot even though he was legally carrying. Still probably not the best idea
roninswanson
Tell that to a white person.
bohemiancrabcity
I am a white person. I'm fine with his choice as its his to legally make. I wouldn't advise anyone, no matter the color, to open carry in...
bohemiancrabcity
That environment. I'm not a fan of open carry in general, especially city centers.
M5812
I'm white and I despise open carrying. It just begs for trouble.
tacoforest
As a straight, white male, I watched the video and the only though that went through was why the hell is this man a cop. His reactions to1/2
Arcanus01134
To? We need answers!
tacoforest
Shooting is pistol was incredibly unprofessional, in the sense that this person should never, ever have held a firearm. The NRA used to 2/3
tacoforest
Be about Gun Safety, which I respected. Let everyone know HOW to handle a firearm, but don't let the wrong people own.
xWolfGuyx
It's a statement. i live in Texas and open carry is legal in most public areas.
MadMupp
But isn't open carry 'really' meant for hand guns, not big sodding rifles?
MidiArbite
Though not for handguns. Because of jackasses with old fashioned cowboy holsters.
dangerousDoc
If you have the license which takes quite a bit to get
Gunsandkittycats
Eh not really, fellow Texan here with chl. $240 and a 6 hour class, not that hard to obtain.
illegalacorn
there is no open carry license, you're thinking concealed. open carry is basically raw 2nd amendment
glowinthedarkginger
Actually, in Texas you have to have a carry license regardless see 30.06 and 30.07 gun restrictions legislation. Rifles yes pistols no.
Natrezall
Montana has the same thing. For businesses if they don't have a sign posted that prohibits weapons you can carry in there
illegalacorn
Well that's dumb.
dangerousDoc
"Conditional carry" as it is called isn't allowed in any state that I'm aware of
thatauzzieguy
No wonder you guys shoot each other so much.
shortassasiangirl
From what I've heard, he did it because the others who got shot and killed were also packing heat. Maybe prove you can carry and not be 1/2
shortassasiangirl
a threat to anyone. But I don't actually know for sure...
weedtittiesandkitties
And what statement is that?
xWolfGuyx
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I agree it is a statement but I don't think the people that do it have any clue what the statement is.
RightInThePleb
"Why the fuck not" I presume
dakineimages
That somebody wants attention...
NixonDidNothingWrong
Is it really hard to understand? The statement is: "We have the right to do this and we are not criminals or terrorists for doing it."
someprickinvietnam
Everyone can get fucked
ZombieSteve
That's what I'd like to know. There is no statement here, just one guy doing what he wanted within the law, simple as that.
SephReed
mutually assured destruction.
YarTheBug
"I live in Texas and open carry is legal in most public places"
TheScarletBitch
He has every right to carry a gun if it's legal and he has his OCP, despite his skin color. Just my guess at the statement.
W92Baj
Its my right to fucking hop everywhere if I want, doesn't mean I do at every opportunity
Wombatish
No OCP (which is really just a CHL in most states) for long guns in almost all states. Even if they have such for pistols.
TheScarletBitch
I know next to nothing about guns or what permits are needed. Thank you for the correction!
fluffybunny645
"You guys made this legal, yet you want change without changing a problem" That's my guess I might ENTIRELY wrong.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Could also be "I own a gun"
imooforyou
Huh. TIL gun owners can time travel and make arguments to the authors of the constitution. AR-15 oughta beat those muskets.
BerserkQuatch
Excercising our 2nd ammendment rights
thehandsomedoctor
I know but, time and place man c'mon
TheScarletBitch
He's in Tx, it's legal & the gun was unloaded. He didn't know a shooting was going to happen. Why shouldn't he exercise his right?
Fsac
Devil's advocate: within the confines of the law, is there such a thing as a bad place/time? His actions prove he is a sane/rational owner.
Texas45cal
It is a statement to educate, people of their 2nd amendment rights. Also that walking around with a black rifle doesn't make you a bad guy.
demanji
"Hey man I don't like the way you said BLACK rifle" (Please get the reference)
YarTheBug
#BlackRiflesMatter
seventhcow
Sure as fuck doesn´t make you peace-loving either.
YarTheBug
But capable of peace-making should such a need arise.
4horsemen06
How so? 99.999999% of people who legally own a gun in the US won't ever kill a single thing with that gun in their entire life time.
AngelOfPassion
What if he was in a position to take down the actual gunman before he killed so many?
TheScarletBitch
The gun was unloaded
weedtittiesandkitties
pennetteAlfredoIsNotAnItalianDish
Good lord guys! why do you have guns in the first place?! (I'm not American, ok) This is not a cultural value to defend! Stop it now!
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
B/c silly people think their guns will protect them from intruders (they don't) or the gov't (they won't).
Shizaaam
How does a gun not protect you from an intruder? Please elaborate.
nalewhine
If it's locked up and unloaded like it is legally supposed to be, it isn't going to help you.
Shizaaam
All states don't make you have it unloaded. Also, you
Shizaaam
/2 (fucked up while typing) are allowed to have loaded magazines. Which takes all of two seconds to load. Try again. :)
helpusdrzaius
Overthrow the government when the time comes
jabotheclown
I may not be a cultural value to you but for many of us it is. It's a fun hobby, it allows you to hunt for your food, 1/2
jabotheclown
and guns were a pretty major part of how we got our freedom. Most gun owners are very responsible and respectful of the laws and how 2/3
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
"Freedom". You guys don't even realize how you were on the wrong side in your fight for independence. But yeah let's glorify tools of war
jabotheclown
dangerous they can be. 3/3
gimpycat
Have you seen our wildlife? Mountain lions? Alligators? Hell, bears of any color? There are legitimate reasons to have guns for safety.
Shizaaam
Read the 2nd amendment. That's what it's for. I'm for stricter gun control, but I won't ever side with getting rid of them.
DMGuy
The second amendment was written around a time when we still owned people and reloading took a minute. It's allowed to be wrong, you know.
Shizaaam
3/ seems to forget that governments turn corrupt and sometimes drastic measures are needed to start change in their country. If you think
Shizaaam
4/ our government isn't capable of tyranny I suggest taking a look at all the examples in other countries. Then notice how well they did
Shizaaam
2/ I'm not saying we don't need stricter rules for owning weapons, but it is a bad idea to take them away from the right people. Everyone
gimpycat
It was also written to protect regulated militia forces out of distrust of standing armies (like the British).
DMGuy
Yeah, but "organized militia" doesn't mean "you and your cousin in the back of a pick-up".
gimpycat
Obviously, which is why we already do have regulations for ownership. That system definitely needs some work though.
Shizaaam
You realize the U.S. has plenty of organized militia, right? They're meant to be a deterrent. Why is that a bad thing to have on your side?
Shizaaam
5/ without being sufficiently armed. The second amendment is almost a contingency plan when diplomacy doesn't work with your government.
Shizaaam
So you're saying people don't have the right to potentially protect themselves from tyranny because it was written a long time ago?
DMGuy
We are quite simply past the point where a bunch of guys with handguns can resist our military anyway. They have drones and tanks. They win.
screenaholic
I have guns for recreation, competition, self defense, and stress release. And soon, for bettering myself at my employment.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
Self defense is the worst reason ever. If you guys hadn't fucked up from the start by making them legal, there'dbe a lot less to worry about
MidiArbite
We have a porous border with a third world nation, that pandora's box will NEVER close.
screenaholic
So strict gun laws would keep people from stabbing me, or ten guys from ganging up on me? Guns are for more than fighting guns.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
People try to stab each other so much less often. If you make it harder to harm someone, it happens less.
MidiArbite
No, not really total homicide rates don't change too much with or without guns. A world without guns is a world ruled by the biggest.
screenaholic
Not really. Our problem isn't guns, it's violence, poverty, and mental instability. Until that's solved, there will be just as much killing.
umpbumpfizz
I mean... They are super fucking fun to shoot. I keep mine in Vermont. Having survived a shooting in NYC, I don't see a place for them here.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
Human lives > having fun IMO
umpbumpfizz
I support your right to that opinion. Call your senators. Make yourself heard if it's really important to you. We need some equilibrium.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
+1 for you. I like you.
MidiArbite
My life or another innocent's life >an attacker's
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
Yeah but no armed civilians = no killings by armed civilians.
MidiArbite
=Killings, rapes, and robberies by bigger, stronger civilians or those with the advantage of surprise.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
A) Irresponsible gun users (ex: man who killed son not following guidelines OR child who comes across a gun and shoots themself/another) or
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
B) a gun owner who purchased it lawfully but later develops a mental disorder and kills people while having no record of crime.