I assume you mean just get above and slightly in front and drop a string into the props? I was thinking that, and realized you'd need to get in front, which means the other pilot is more likely to see you. Second, you'd need to switch to a down-facing camera, which would switch your piloting just as it becomes most critical.
I'll assume this is a better approach than simply cutting the wire, but can anyone explain why? Is this easier than 1-2 pizza wheels crashing through the fiber?
The fiber doesn't always exit at a predictable angle, it depends on speed, wind and the angle it's pulled out of the cannister. Also it wouldn't be reliably visible on the FPV video feed so you would be hunting in the dark. Also, not actually sure how strong that fiber is, but if it's strong enough to start winding up on your props it could kill the hunter drone as well while a net thrower can be re-used.
So this "thing" runs on a big ass extension cord? Seriously? How long is that fiber optic wire? Even at tiny diameter that must began to weigh substantially after a decent distance.
i sometimes browse Aliexpress for gadgets and presents and recently I've seen little plastic boxes of up to 5 kilometres of fibre (plastic fibre feeding boxes to fit on drones). It's odd to see, what is essentially military supplies, on such a commerce site.
Spiderman tactic. hehe If it makes it to the grund without damage, it can be useful, If the net also has a long orange line to mark its location on the ground, it can be found easy. Or the net contains a tracker.
I would think that cutting some wires to the antenna, the fiber and to the detonator is enough. And most of the explosives are known designs. But there may be booby traps in them. It should not be a problem for an armored disarmament robot with long arms. When the explosive is detached from the robot, driven away and placed behind/under sandbags or under/in an armored barrel, then it should be fine. But if it is uncertain, they should be detonated on site.
Drones produced cheaply and in huge numbers. Armored vehicles of any type are now virtually useless on the battlefield. Defensive missiles are to expensive and can’t be produced in sufficient quantities to be useful. So many changes to war.
They said the same when we quit standing in lines like gentleman. One of the chief complaints about the American Revolution was farmers insisting on taking pop shots behind trees and fences.
This particular innovation has consequences that aren't really being discussed enough. A few grand and anyone with a bit of practice can kill someone a thousand KMs away.
The implications of that suck a lot harder than we realize.
IIRC, there were some Ukrainians flying around in old two person prop plane fighters, with the one in the back shooting at drones with basic assault rifles.
Wars have always been fought with Technology and the ability to fund an amount to that technology. IRL defenders advantage is WAY more intense than it is in RISK. Saving lives is always the number 1 determination factor in what strategies get deployed in war (usually) so yea. We are watching the rubber meet the road with new technology.
The tech development has intrigued me, in a literal arms race sense. You can see how the two differing objectives (Human target vs drone-on-drone/armor) have shaped the technological focus of each side of the battlefield. Long gone are the ages of just sending meat onto the field, and scooping up the hamburger afterward.
Russia is considering mobilization because they can't recruit enough people. Russia says they are recruiting 50,000 people a month and extending contracts of those already in the war. Their army has been shrinking in size. They claim few losses while also desperately recruiting anyone and increasing the maximum age of recruits.
that all ready happened. they drafted everyone from like age 45-60. They are already hiring immigrant PMC's to fight the war too. Putin is all out of all options. All he can do now is point forward and see what his generals give him. He can't stop the war. His life depends on it.
I genuinely hope that the concept of soldiers for soldiers sake gets left behind. War too, but... This is humanity we're talking about. If a serviceperson is on the field, I feel that it should be for maintenance and CnC purposes, as opposed to strictly holding a gun and shooting other people.
While those orcs are monstrous, at this point it's likely that no one on the field -wants- to be there anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they stated calling for farmers and other workhands to the battle
Last I saw their casualties were at around 1.5 million. Since that is almost exclusively men, and Russia's population is around 150m. They just skewed their already heavily female dominant demographics even further. They were already at ~43% men. And while sure, not all casualties are dead, in this war, most are. Also, the societal and economic burden of the injured and mentally unstable going back to Russia is going to be enormous.
You mean the Israeli military? Because that seems to be what the morons in government appear to want to do: to put the US military at Israel's beck and call, essentially making the US military Israel's.
True, but leads me on to thinking that it would be a very complex and tricky problem to recover a downed drone. Even if you cut the fiber it could have vibration or proximity or even machine-vision sensors just waiting to detonate it.
I would use a crude robot with a big chomping jaw, i might damage some stuff but if i can crudely cut off the explosives and drag them 20m away someone can examine the rest safely.
This, shotguns don't fire nearly as wide a spread as people think, and if you make them spread more the velocity of the projectiles drop a lot, maybe to the point where they don't even damage the drone. A net can be made very thin and flimsy and would still snag a propeller causing the whole thing to crash. I bet you could take down one of these with a packet of synthetic halloween "spider web" dropped on it, just letting the props wind it up until they stall.
Agreed and you're giving me ideas, I can picture them developing something like a shotgun shell that would shoot a very fine net that would spread out quickly and entangle the blades, if it was a shotgun shell it could be a multi shot clip unlike this where I figure they have to land and reload each time.
I think a semi auto shotgun mechanism would be a bit heavy to fly around. As things are i would imagine the current shotgun shell firing ones are just a bit of tube with a pin on a spring at the back, and a servo holding the pin away from the shell. Maybe you could get away with a double barrel version.
FermentTheRich3000
Good work.
MikeRInternetTraveler
Scooby-Doo warfare
yesdearmetoo
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OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
DisUsernameAmsDildos
Staaaaaaaar Wars, nothing but Star Wars... 🎶
TrueLegateDamar
TimmyTheOrc
That tiny net was sure-fire, master!
Rakoth
A tiny net is a death sentence! It is a net, and it is tiny!
sevro77
Getting real close to running out of power at that volts per cell number. I imagine they run Li-ion instead of Lipo packs.
secularink
Suomijuusto89
livurz
I'm curious how this compares to the success rate of the "tactical string on a stick"
DrewK98
I assume you mean just get above and slightly in front and drop a string into the props? I was thinking that, and realized you'd need to get in front, which means the other pilot is more likely to see you. Second, you'd need to switch to a down-facing camera, which would switch your piloting just as it becomes most critical.
SMarkt
russian drone pilot, go fuck yourself!
InspectorA5
Spider fly, spider fly . Shoots a web, into the sky.
Poppypoppoppop
Brand new day
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
Begun the drone wars had...
sendMeToLordDevNull
Boomoh turns in to Okeyoh after firing the net...?
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
I think they are just cutting the fibre
VodkaReindeer
They are cutting the fibre, but not in this video.
Eyhlix
Looks more like it just tangles around the props and weighs it down
DunnowForgot
I'll assume this is a better approach than simply cutting the wire, but can anyone explain why? Is this easier than 1-2 pizza wheels crashing through the fiber?
MarcUK
If the drone loses connection, it will probably turn around and fly back to base to be used again. If captured then you've got spare parts.
VodkaReindeer
For one thing, this would also work on non-fibre drones.
Ghlargh
The fiber doesn't always exit at a predictable angle, it depends on speed, wind and the angle it's pulled out of the cannister. Also it wouldn't be reliably visible on the FPV video feed so you would be hunting in the dark.
Also, not actually sure how strong that fiber is, but if it's strong enough to start winding up on your props it could kill the hunter drone as well while a net thrower can be re-used.
Trimule
So this "thing" runs on a big ass extension cord? Seriously? How long is that fiber optic wire? Even at tiny diameter that must began to weigh substantially after a decent distance.
WarlockSniper
Well, I am now rooting for a Trapper straight from Darktide.
Fentex
The amount of fibre that must be strewn around Ukraine...
RecurringNightmare
absolutely insane amounts https://youtu.be/c0LvmhL31ko
nothingunused
It's like NYC with all of Spider-Man's webs hanging all over.
Fentex
i sometimes browse Aliexpress for gadgets and presents and recently I've seen little plastic boxes of up to 5 kilometres of fibre (plastic fibre feeding boxes to fit on drones). It's odd to see, what is essentially military supplies, on such a commerce site.
9z2nf02h
Will be showing up in the food supply for decades.
iamahorriblemonsterwhodeservesdeath
I'd be more concerned about the bomblets and mines, but yeah. It'll be decades of clean-up.
prestekragen
Spiderman tactic. hehe
If it makes it to the grund without damage, it can be useful, If the net also has a long orange line to mark its location on the ground, it can be found easy. Or the net contains a tracker.
prestekragen
I would think that cutting some wires to the antenna, the fiber and to the detonator is enough. And most of the explosives are known designs. But there may be booby traps in them. It should not be a problem for an armored disarmament robot with long arms. When the explosive is detached from the robot, driven away and placed behind/under sandbags or under/in an armored barrel, then it should be fine. But if it is uncertain, they should be detonated on site.
NewCrobuzonCitizen
I am pretty sure nobody is going to recover that drone. That would be like suicide mission.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
Have a robot do it *modern_solutions.jpg*
prestekragen
the explosives must be neutralized. There are dozens of good methods to neutralize them.
ThatSonOfaBitch
This is such a weird war.
nikinnorway12
No, it's a very normal war. It's just the first of its kind.
UnexpectedItem
It's honestly becoming videogames with real world consequences.
ToSisPoS
They said the same thing in operation desert storm
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
It's so weird how many things can be defeated by the bronze age. Drones? Fishing net. Barbed wire/electric fence? Rug. Tank? Hole.
azgrak1
Drones produced cheaply and in huge numbers. Armored vehicles of any type are now virtually useless on the battlefield. Defensive missiles are to expensive and can’t be produced in sufficient quantities to be useful. So many changes to war.
ObeySparky
Probably a good indicator of the next war, and a war that may include the US.
SarcasticComment
They said the same when we quit standing in lines like gentleman. One of the chief complaints about the American Revolution was farmers insisting on taking pop shots behind trees and fences.
DrewK98
And they *really* hated how the farmers kept shooting officers.
SarcasticComment
Just rude to go after the man with the fanciest hat https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cWI3aTFod2s2c2k3b2Vvd3ppMng0aW4zZXp0NHlrZzFrZzJtZHY1biZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/C1L8yq5ZEz0cg/200w.webp
AtomicChipmunk
Deadly* it was launched to kill a human.
He just saved someone's life.
raisedonadrywell
Coming soon to a city near you.
Grinch01
It already did, a couple of days ago they found a drone with a bomb on an airport here in germany
shorttaldutchguy
There is nothing better for innovation than a war. Sadly.
SavageDrums
This particular innovation has consequences that aren't really being discussed enough. A few grand and anyone with a bit of practice can kill someone a thousand KMs away.
The implications of that suck a lot harder than we realize.
ButtscratchMcPherson
We have stuff like this and Maxim machine guns in use...
theobstruction
IIRC, there were some Ukrainians flying around in old two person prop plane fighters, with the one in the back shooting at drones with basic assault rifles.
Leonon
It's like Jules Verne wrote this war.
CaptSchmidtGaming
Wars have always been fought with Technology and the ability to fund an amount to that technology. IRL defenders advantage is WAY more intense than it is in RISK. Saving lives is always the number 1 determination factor in what strategies get deployed in war (usually)
so yea. We are watching the rubber meet the road with new technology.
Thorketil
Human lives mean absolutely nothing to one of the two warring parties in this war of invasion—and it is not hard to guess which side is meant.
Malak224
Tldr: People innovate best when they don’t want to die.
Leucienweaver
The tech development has intrigued me, in a literal arms race sense. You can see how the two differing objectives (Human target vs drone-on-drone/armor) have shaped the technological focus of each side of the battlefield. Long gone are the ages of just sending meat onto the field, and scooping up the hamburger afterward.
StarmineRendezvous
Not for lack of trying that method by Russia. I wonder what their losses are at by now. A lot.
CaptSchmidtGaming
ukraine makes public record of it
dohcohv
Russia is considering mobilization because they can't recruit enough people. Russia says they are recruiting 50,000 people a month and extending contracts of those already in the war. Their army has been shrinking in size. They claim few losses while also desperately recruiting anyone and increasing the maximum age of recruits.
Where are all these people going?
CaptSchmidtGaming
that all ready happened. they drafted everyone from like age 45-60. They are already hiring immigrant PMC's to fight the war too. Putin is all out of all options. All he can do now is point forward and see what his generals give him. He can't stop the war. His life depends on it.
Leucienweaver
I genuinely hope that the concept of soldiers for soldiers sake gets left behind. War too, but... This is humanity we're talking about. If a serviceperson is on the field, I feel that it should be for maintenance and CnC purposes, as opposed to strictly holding a gun and shooting other people.
While those orcs are monstrous, at this point it's likely that no one on the field -wants- to be there anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they stated calling for farmers and other workhands to the battle
CaptSchmidtGaming
They'll try. But since this war isn't fought with pushups and guts, I don't know what they'll harvest that hasn't already been spent.
Isosyn
Last I saw their casualties were at around 1.5 million. Since that is almost exclusively men, and Russia's population is around 150m. They just skewed their already heavily female dominant demographics even further. They were already at ~43% men. And while sure, not all casualties are dead, in this war, most are. Also, the societal and economic burden of the injured and mentally unstable going back to Russia is going to be enormous.
TheOldSchoolisBack
Seems overly complicated vs the shotgun drone. But what do I know about drones? These guys are the rucking experts.
PanNonOpticon
Higher chance of a hit with net.
SixSixxtySix
Much safer and more predictable way to bring it down.
philmoregraves
Valuable tech captured. Fresh intelligence, fresh parts, look at all my free precious metals I can use to make more drones to keep harvesting drones.
Munchman347
People often live down on the ground... where the missed rounds will land...
Johnsky
Nobody else even remotely touches Ukraine's drone expertise. We're all in the dark ages by comparison. I'm damn glad to be on their side.
GwensBackOnHerBS
I'm on Ukraines side, but I'm not so sure my government is.
I'm watching the us military become obsolete in real time.
onepinksheep
You mean the Israeli military? Because that seems to be what the morons in government appear to want to do: to put the US military at Israel's beck and call, essentially making the US military Israel's.
GwensBackOnHerBS
The house just passed a bill with a rider that merged our militaires.
It's a disgusting level of treason by the house.
d3jake
A captured drone could yield intelligence vs just destroying it.
DonL9
Look up the Click Here podcast called, "The Drone Whisperer." Interesting look at intelligence gathering from downed drones.
TheDildoOfConsequences
True, but leads me on to thinking that it would be a very complex and tricky problem to recover a downed drone. Even if you cut the fiber it could have vibration or proximity or even machine-vision sensors just waiting to detonate it.
Ghlargh
I would use a crude robot with a big chomping jaw, i might damage some stuff but if i can crudely cut off the explosives and drag them 20m away someone can examine the rest safely.
WhatzitTooya
Gaining intelligence is important in a war like this, where you have to face countless of these buzzing bastards.
TheDildoOfConsequences
Oh definitely, I ain't disagreein'!
LyvPhreeOarDye
I feel like it's a lot easier to miss w/ a shotgun?
gronzilla
Weight, backlash?
Ghlargh
This, shotguns don't fire nearly as wide a spread as people think, and if you make them spread more the velocity of the projectiles drop a lot, maybe to the point where they don't even damage the drone.
A net can be made very thin and flimsy and would still snag a propeller causing the whole thing to crash. I bet you could take down one of these with a packet of synthetic halloween "spider web" dropped on it, just letting the props wind it up until they stall.
LyvPhreeOarDye
Agreed and you're giving me ideas, I can picture them developing something like a shotgun shell that would shoot a very fine net that would spread out quickly and entangle the blades, if it was a shotgun shell it could be a multi shot clip unlike this where I figure they have to land and reload each time.
Ghlargh
I think a semi auto shotgun mechanism would be a bit heavy to fly around. As things are i would imagine the current shotgun shell firing ones are just a bit of tube with a pin on a spring at the back, and a servo holding the pin away from the shell.
Maybe you could get away with a double barrel version.
LyvPhreeOarDye
Yeah, a bit heavier, I was picturing it on one of the larger quad drones the ones that are similar or the same as the agriculture spraying drones.