“Smart, educated people capable of critical thinking? That’s not what they want. You know what they want? Obedient workers. Obedient workers. Workers who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork…”
*Rich people aren't telling their kids not to get degrees*
Sure, many tradesmen do great, but they have lower levels of W/L balance, health, retirement, and happiness, and higher levels of debt, suicide, disability, & bankruptcy.
The argument that some degrees are worthless is propaganda. Bachelors degrees are simply a key that unlocks an easier life. What degree you get is largely irrelevant. Hell, I studied ancient near east history & am a management consultant.
You think Putin wants smart people in Russia? You think Kim Jong Un wants an educated North Korea? Do you think Iran's Islamic Council wants to educate more people?
Plumbers, contractors, electricians, and other tradesmen can have Liberal Arts degrees, too (including Gender Studies and the like). It’s ok, even desirable to have a populace who is well-educated across a broad base of disciplines outside of their daily work. They’re some of the most interesting and well-adjusted people I know. At some point, the US began equating “education” with “work training,” and we lost the love of knowledge just for the sake knowing and growing.
Pride month starts this weekend and we here in Massachusetts, WHO LOVE OUR UNION WORKERS AND INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS AND EMBRACE ALL THE COLORS AND LETTERS OF HUMANITY’S RAINBOW humbly request she take the administration’s position and shove it up whatever hole she pleases. Love is love. And I’d love her to f*ck off.
Translation: "We want fewer people educated enough to challenge us as we transform the US from a democracy into an authoritarian kleptocracy. We still want our clogged toilets fixed, we just don't want to have to pay for it."
> Leavitt : "...and we also are not going to tolerate ...Is tha">the illegal criminal antisemitic behavior..."
...Is that so?
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=musk+salute&ia=news&iar=news
From the administration that’s anti-union and denigrating labor rights and union power. Remember when he gave a speech at a nonunion shop with paid attendees cosplaying as union members? Or Biden joining strikers on the picket line? Because I sure as hell do.
When I first moved to NYC, Donald Trump was the only person I was specifically warned about -'Don't do ANY work for him - he acts rich, but doesn't pay his vendors.' I heard some stories if you are interested.
Well yeah, that’s why we need more, he keeps stiffing them so they won’t do work for him anymore. He needs a new batch of them gullible enough to think he’ll pay them.
Yes, Trump has frozen federal funding for Harvard and Columbia University. They have revoked hundreds of student visas. They have stopped interviewing, and therefore processing, future student visas. Trump has canceled grants to research universities. The administration is actively trying to weaken higher education the knowledge it produces.
They want to privatize education. Money there. Also education means you ask questions, get some answers, those aren’t good for people who want uneducated voters. Not necessarily about Trump. This is a long game. Remember that the people who actually make policy are not the president. He is a placeholder essentially.
Rural schools in the US (think normal high school) used to teach higher math, Latin, physics, chemistry, civics...
Then factory work became a thing, and school changed from education to babysitting and training workers. The education standard for highschool has been downhill and getting worse for the past 100 years.
Those in power do NOT want an educated populace, and most of the populace does NOT want education.
The fact that the Trump Administration stands against queer people, intellectuals and also against paying contractors has not escaped those paying attention.
According to https://oira.harvard.edu/factbook/fact-book-degrees/#deg_conc, there were 8 WS&G majors out of 1742 graduates last year, or about half a percent. It is the third least common major out of 11 in the social studies category, never mind the other categories. Like yeah, these majors do exist, but only a handful of people take them.
Make no mistake: the right's obsession with the trades has nothing to do with the trades and everything to do with anti-intellectualism. They don't want people going to college and experiencing life outside of their rural bubble.
They want manufacturing jobs. The reason we don’t have manufacturing jobs is because students going to college made competent American labor far more expensive than the global market. They haven’t suddenly decided to bump wages to draw talent. They cut off options, and force the youth into labor that will never again pay a wage that sustains a life.
They're fine with university education, always have been, they just feel it should be reserved for the wealthy. It's been that way since Regan, they were worried an educated proletariat would eventually see through their bullshit so they enacted plans to make education more expensive which is why it costs so much today.
Personally I think we need intellectual tradesmen. Philosophy and liberal studies and shit aren’t really majors you can graduate from and find a useful place in society as. But that doesn’t mean those degrees aren’t important for society. A person with a trade who is well versed in philosophy in their off time is very useful. As is a philosophy teacher well versed in trades
Yeah, I've been saying that it would be broadly beneficial to society if *everyone* at least got the general education part of college, regardless of what job they end up in. I always get screamed at for it though.
Yup. And I believe shop classes to teach the basics on the trades should be taught also. Not as an elective but as part of graduating criteria (as long as you’re physically able to)
To be fair....they also know that if they flood those jobs with new hires, the hourly pay for those jobs will fall, netting their rich real estate friends more money because of lower labor costs.
But, if people have less money, they have less money to spend on housing. Seems very stupid and backwards, so I'm going to assume this indeed is a republican plan.
Lugh314159
“Smart, educated people capable of critical thinking? That’s not what they want. You know what they want? Obedient workers. Obedient workers. Workers who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork…”
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
Are the electricians and the plumbers the ones gonna work in the new US factories putting all the small screws in manufactured stuff?
FlintNorth44
Got the clip
badgesweedontneednostinkingbadges
My wife said last night that the reason Cheetolini is harassing Harvard is because they didn't let Baron in.
CordChart
Yes, you wouldn't want any more intellectuals because they ask inconvenient questions such as, "Are you lying?"
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
If Dump stops all federan funding, it's time for Mass to step in and cover them. Let's have the Repugnants argue aginst states rights.
Calicious
Repeat after me -
*Rich people aren't telling their kids not to get degrees*
Sure, many tradesmen do great, but they have lower levels of W/L balance, health, retirement, and happiness, and higher levels of debt, suicide, disability, & bankruptcy.
The argument that some degrees are worthless is propaganda. Bachelors degrees are simply a key that unlocks an easier life. What degree you get is largely irrelevant. Hell, I studied ancient near east history & am a management consultant.
Calicious
The right is pushing very hard to disparage education because of a simple but extremely effective model:
Keep them uneducated. Keep them pregnant. Keep them in debt. Keep them unhealthy. Keep them religious. Keep them angry at someone else.
Why do they want us uneducated? Because education is the achilles heel to each of the remaining goals.
PTK74
Oh, it’s the KKK-blondie. Seen any black people recently?
hellospacemonkey
You think Putin wants smart people in Russia? You think Kim Jong Un wants an educated North Korea? Do you think Iran's Islamic Council wants to educate more people?
MechKelly
The administration needs a better position.
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
What are LGBTQ graduate majors? What degree would that be?
NearHereThere
*fewer
OperatorWay
"Shhh, don't call him that in public - yet." 🤫
Jrguitarguy
Electricians, plumbers...Isn't that the Village People thing? I guess the YMCA song has got them confused.
artie500
One of the Village People is a cop.
rhaldema
Plumbers, contractors, electricians, and other tradesmen can have Liberal Arts degrees, too (including Gender Studies and the like). It’s ok, even desirable to have a populace who is well-educated across a broad base of disciplines outside of their daily work.
They’re some of the most interesting and well-adjusted people I know.
At some point, the US began equating “education” with “work training,” and we lost the love of knowledge just for the sake knowing and growing.
Skywatcher16
it was about the same point that reganomics made sure that more/harder work didnt translate to more pay/better living. people who are
Skywatcher16
struggling to maintain physical resources like food and shelter tend to stop prioritizing social/mental resources like hobbies.
taskinroe
What makes the trades a decent living is the scarcity, just saying. Doesn’t make anyone straight either.
WellGoodLuckWithThat
Pride month starts this weekend and we here in Massachusetts, WHO LOVE OUR UNION WORKERS AND INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS AND EMBRACE ALL THE COLORS AND LETTERS OF HUMANITY’S RAINBOW humbly request she take the administration’s position and shove it up whatever hole she pleases. Love is love. And I’d love her to f*ck off.
glovelyday
Translation:
"We want fewer people educated enough to challenge us as we transform the US from a democracy into an authoritarian kleptocracy. We still want our clogged toilets fixed, we just don't want to have to pay for it."
Enlightenment123
the RIGHT wants dumb voters
DidItForScience
Doesn't Harvard have over $50 billion in their endowment anyway? They should be able to survive on the own well enough to tell Trump to suck it.
revasseur
Who needs doctors, engineers, and scientists, right?
Skywatcher16
trump only wants what trump needs. and what trump needs is his ego constantly stroked, more money, and vengence on his enemies.
Chronk
Right, so Barron can go to a trade school
artie500
He knows hot to turn a computer on, so he's already halfway there.
OperatorWay
https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/1927534822701826111

Please link to sources.
Misinformation is rampant, & images can be easily generated/manipulated (especially screenshots of text & tweets).
> Leavitt : "...and we also are not going to tolerate ...Is tha">the illegal criminal antisemitic behavior..."
...Is that so?
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=musk+salute&ia=news&iar=news
CheeseGreaterGood
From the administration that’s anti-union and denigrating labor rights and union power. Remember when he gave a speech at a nonunion shop with paid attendees cosplaying as union members? Or Biden joining strikers on the picket line? Because I sure as hell do.
PhloydPhan
An interesting position coming from a man with a long history of not paying exactly those kinds of contractors: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
austinyc
When I first moved to NYC, Donald Trump was the only person I was specifically warned about -'Don't do ANY work for him - he acts rich, but doesn't pay his vendors.' I heard some stories if you are interested.
feliscorvus
“trump has been involved in 3,500 lawsuits over three decades.” That’s about one every three days.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
Well you know who he gets away without paying? Contractors. You know who he has trouble actually stiffing? Lawyers. :P
morningxafter
Well yeah, that’s why we need more, he keeps stiffing them so they won’t do work for him anymore. He needs a new batch of them gullible enough to think he’ll pay them.
Nanntuckett
It’s amazing how many people think he’s a great businessman after he just refuses to pay people for their services
Hexidimentional
Well yeah he needs new ones he hasnt burned yet.
danielsan1977
So, LGBTQ people cannot be electricians, plumbers?
Skywatcher16
nope. much like liberals, they are too effete for such phyiscal jobs. and being universally pedos, they would be too busy ogling the kids.
artie500
Asshole!
Skywatcher16
and i hate that at least 50% of maga would believe that. at least 65% if trump said it rather than a random progressive on imgur.
ILDL
Sarcasm is lost on people these days.
Johnsky
Is he seriously trying to outlaw education? Is this where he's headed?
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
He has literally called for the Department of Education to be closed down.
orp0piru
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Education_and_research
Taokan22
Not outlaw. Just walk back on the idea that everyone should have the opportunity to get it, and instead making it a privilege.
christophersouthworth
Is the dumbest man in America demonizing education, you mean? Yes.
Hexidimentional
"I love the poorly educated" Thats where you've been headed since 2016
EndocrineResearcher
Yes, Trump has frozen federal funding for Harvard and Columbia University. They have revoked hundreds of student visas. They have stopped interviewing, and therefore processing, future student visas. Trump has canceled grants to research universities. The administration is actively trying to weaken higher education the knowledge it produces.
therealalansmithee
Only for the poor, middle class and anyone whose parents aren’t millionaires. Also for all non-whites
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
They want to privatize education. Money there. Also education means you ask questions, get some answers, those aren’t good for people who want uneducated voters. Not necessarily about Trump. This is a long game. Remember that the people who actually make policy are not the president. He is a placeholder essentially.
jasondeslin
Rural schools in the US (think normal high school) used to teach higher math, Latin, physics, chemistry, civics...
Then factory work became a thing, and school changed from education to babysitting and training workers. The education standard for highschool has been downhill and getting worse for the past 100 years.
Those in power do NOT want an educated populace, and most of the populace does NOT want education.
OookOookOookMotherFudger
Where have you been for most of the last decade?
Johnsky
Canada. Lol
OookOookOookMotherFudger
Living in the mountains without access to the internet or other sources of world news?
GigglingWordBearer
The fact that the Trump Administration stands against queer people, intellectuals and also against paying contractors has not escaped those paying attention.
MechKelly
That would be a problem only if more people were paying attention.
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
Saldy, so many people are not paying attention.
GrumpyOldMan55
I don't think there's such a thing a LGTBQ Majors.
ifyoutakemeseriouslythatsonyou
Ages ago LGBTQ issues where mostly part of sociology and political science. Mainly gender studies. Wouldn't want people like that around...
DidItForScience
I heard of Lee Majors, but that's about it.
mrthewhitee
There definitely is. I dont know if it's at Harvard, and very few people actually study as a major, but it exists.
SomeDetroitGuy
https://wgs.fas.harvard.edu/
ariafiresong
I didn't know I had to get a degree in that, here I am just aceing it up without one.
BimbaTheHappyArgentineSheep
No, no... LGBTQ GRADUATE majors! Totally different department!
SomeDetroitGuy
There are. It generally goes under "gender studies". At Harvard, they have a Women, Sexuality and Gender major. It is a pretty common major.
Brightlinger
According to https://oira.harvard.edu/factbook/fact-book-degrees/#deg_conc, there were 8 WS&G majors out of 1742 graduates last year, or about half a percent. It is the third least common major out of 11 in the social studies category, never mind the other categories. Like yeah, these majors do exist, but only a handful of people take them.
mksu
Make no mistake: the right's obsession with the trades has nothing to do with the trades and everything to do with anti-intellectualism. They don't want people going to college and experiencing life outside of their rural bubble.
smittyatyou
As a tradespersons you're an ass hole. I have 3 diplomas. Tvm
bigdukesix
also, Barron didn't get in
zombiejedediah
We have Danish Social Democrats doing the same thing. It's disgusting to watch
Eyeetsass
They want manufacturing jobs. The reason we don’t have manufacturing jobs is because students going to college made competent American labor far more expensive than the global market. They haven’t suddenly decided to bump wages to draw talent. They cut off options, and force the youth into labor that will never again pay a wage that sustains a life.
CelestialSea
They're fine with university education, always have been, they just feel it should be reserved for the wealthy. It's been that way since Regan, they were worried an educated proletariat would eventually see through their bullshit so they enacted plans to make education more expensive which is why it costs so much today.
uhohgreg
"The strength of the government rests on the ignorance of the people, it knows this, and therefore will always fight against education" - Tolstoy
FragileDonkey
as a tradesman, fuck everything about this shithead
buttcreambandit
Personally I think we need intellectual tradesmen. Philosophy and liberal studies and shit aren’t really majors you can graduate from and find a useful place in society as. But that doesn’t mean those degrees aren’t important for society. A person with a trade who is well versed in philosophy in their off time is very useful. As is a philosophy teacher well versed in trades
mksu
Yeah, I've been saying that it would be broadly beneficial to society if *everyone* at least got the general education part of college, regardless of what job they end up in. I always get screamed at for it though.
buttcreambandit
Yup. And I believe shop classes to teach the basics on the trades should be taught also. Not as an elective but as part of graduating criteria (as long as you’re physically able to)
RichardPenne
To be fair....they also know that if they flood those jobs with new hires, the hourly pay for those jobs will fall, netting their rich real estate friends more money because of lower labor costs.
villlllle
But, if people have less money, they have less money to spend on housing. Seems very stupid and backwards, so I'm going to assume this indeed is a republican plan.
SirenBrick
And there will be fewer "liberal arts and law" type professionals to help prevent them from being exploited.
RichardPenne
Finally accomplishing what Ronald Reagan set out to do when he first abolished free college in California as governor (starting with his campaign promises to clean up Berkley in 1966) and then again as President. https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/threat-of-educated-proletariat-created-the-student-debt-crisis/
Trump is following in Reagan's footsteps to create more of the "poorly educated" people that he loves.