I've been thinking about this a bit lately. Conservative people point to stalin, Hitler, pol pot, and say oh see what happens when someone tries to make society better. It's total cherry picking bs, because almost all positive change comes from people trying to make society better. The evil people in history aren't evil because they were trying to make things better, but rather because they were racist, murderous, they "othered" people. Denying the idea of utopias is a conservative conspiracy
That is, among other reasons, because conservatives just want an excuse not to try to make anything better. Or to make things go back to when other people had it worse
You forget black people and everyone remotely brown serve as slaves, and can be killed without cause, reason or repercussions. Women are a subserving class, like cattle. Young girls and boys serve as sexual toys to the upper white class. Vaccines, food, housing and health care is the privilege of the white upper class. Among regular people clean water is a rarety and death rates are extremely high.
They always fight for the things they claim to hate too. Like they rail against out of touch rich people and greedy companies and then spend time and money (and sometimes their freedom and lives) to fight for those same people over and over.
they keep screaming for small government but want to tell people what to do. such as abortion, who they can marry, force everyone to pledge allegiance, worship trump, etc
There should also be a lottery to be a billionaire, run by the one billionaire (and no oversight on how it's conducted). It's just because he's so good at the lottery game he keeps winning, and when I win I'm going to do it even better.
YES, literally! This isn't even a joke. Find a single stupid fucking MAGA out of all the millions of them that would be willing to disagree with this. If their choice is "Agree" or "Disagree", every last fucking one of them will unironically agree!
Well.. you're mostly correct, as I see it. Every 40 hours I work I get 1 hour of vacation time but can't exceed 40 hours of vacation time per year. It's pretty fucked up. Basically, when we get laid off which is always on short notice, that's when we get "vacation". No time to plan, or make reservations etc.. just wing it and don't complain
I was about to reply. I remember when I worked for Walgreens, I had up with one year to earn one day vacation. I had to work 7 years for a week, which is capped, and I wasn't allowed to take my vacation days back to back.
Or better yet, fallout... all 50s themed bs and nuclear waste everywhere, each town has its own rules,no regulations, and they still cant make it because some corpo conglomerate uses them as either cannon fodder or lab rats.
The left wing utopia seems accurate to me. What about it do you think left wingers wouldn't count as a utopia or what they would consider missing from it?
Yeah the right-wing one in the meme is intentionally wrong as part of the sarcasm/point of the meme. But they claimed that BOTH were wrong and so I want to know what they think is wrong about the left wing one.
That they'd want everyone to be hugely taxed to pay for the less fortunate, even if that means a majority of those taxpayers become the less fortunate. There'd also be no system to check what "less fortunate" entails, because that would be discrimination, so anyone could completely misuse the system, as we've seen so many times. You wouldn't be free to pursue your ambitions, because your taxes would keep you from having ambitions. I could go on, but I don't have enough characters.
So, you have zero idea what leftists actually want and believe combined with your own erroneous perceptions of how government programs, individual motivations, and economic systems actually work. I do appreciate you taking the time to explain out your complete and utter ignorance.
So you think the left wing's idea of a utopia involves their ideals performing worse than they do in the real world instead of better than they do in the real world?
If you had a clue you'd know that a left wing utopia involves nobody being "less fortunate" and that ambitions in one wouldn't be based on money (either availability of it or on accumulating it).
So it turns out it's not wrong both ways you just have no clue what "utopia" means let alone what left wing ideals are.
I mean, there'd still be "less fortunate" but that just means they can only afford a family of 3 comfortably on one income instead of family of 5 on one income. :P
Money wouldn't be the measure of fortune in a left wing utopia and everyone could have what they need and reasonable luxuries so number of children wouldn't affect anything about how much they could do or have other than how much spare time they had.
This seems like a caricature, rather than a genuine attempt. For instance, the idea that "a majority" of taxpayers become less fortunate to pay for entitlements is a common *talking point*, but it's unclear how true it would be, given that a major grievance from the left is the massive wealth inequality in the United States, and given that its taxation structure is much less progressive than other Western states. Just for example, currently tax revenues in the US amount to about 26% of GDP 1/2
across all levels. Given a workforce of 170 million, that means the average worker contributes $45,000 to tax revenue. The median taxpayer, meanwhile, pays about $15,000 a year. Why would you expect a *more* progressive tax structure to produce a *less* equitable post-tax wealth distribution? You're making an extremely specific statement here about the price elasticity of tax revenue, which is at odds with empirical evidence from higher tax states, without any justification. 2/2
If what you're saying is true, then Trump's plan to raise taxes for lower and middle class and cut taxes for the wealthy shouldn't hurt anyone, correct? The cost of government services is directly proportional to the taxes the average person pays. There's no such thing as "free" healthcare. It's just shifting the payment onto the average taxpayer, so the taxpayer doesn't get to decide where their healthcare money goes, the government does. They've done such a great job so far...
I have plenty of ideas of what the left wants. This post shows that OP has no idea what either side wants. Also, fuck fox news, and most "news" companies, for that matter. They should not be able to call themselves news companies.
You clearly don't, also you don't know what "utopia" means. Like even putting aside you being flat wrong about the real world outcome of left wing policies this is a meme about what they think a utopia is, why would their policies work worse than right-wing ones in their utopia?
Sure, you have ideas, but they're all made-up nonsense.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't understand what the positions of either side actually are, and you should go actually do the trivial amount of work it will require to fix that.
I'd say they're both equally as far off as the other, in multiple ways. I won't get into what the actual utopia's look like because if you say anything critical/negative of the left on this site, or anything positive about the right, you get downvoted into oblivion.
To be honest with you I really wanted to hear what you think the left's utopian dream would be because while I can think of a few criticism of it I personally think that it's benefits massively outweigh any possible drawbacks. But if you had thought of something I hadn't that would be a chance for me to either change my view or at least defend it. What do you think the US would look like if AOC, Mamdani and Bernie got to set every policy and they all worked as intended. (utopian fantasy)
I'm sure Hitler was very nice man to her niece. He was however, a fucking monster to the rest of the world. If you support MAGA, you pose a threat to the wellbeing of myself, my family and the world. As such it would be self defence to attack you and incapacitate you.
No, I'm not a coward. I just don't want to type 5000 words in a box that only lets me type 500 characters. I have plenty of productive things to say, but you wouldn't view them as productive because "LeFt GoOd, RiGhT bAd".
You've made like 30 comments dude. If you wanted to actually say something productive regardless of word count restrictions, you would have. And if this place is so unwilling to hear your productive thoughts that you won't even share, why spend all this time replying to people? Why are you here?
You're absolutely a coward and you're far less clever than you think you are. We see you.
You're clearly a coward, and dumb one at that. You're too scared of people disagreeing with you and having to actually defend your opinion that you refuse to mention it, and you're not smart enough to succinctly state an opinion or realize that you can post multiple comments.
Type a post of longer characters. Upload to pastebin or a similar site. Link that site as a comment. Profit! Or... well... be a coward, like this. Give me some positive conservative things. Let's make that a total of 5 positive things conservatism did for the world. It can be as simple as "Recognized LGBTQ rights" (note: Conservatives don't do this, so don't bother using that one)
burentsu
A week of vacation? You really think they're going to allow that?
redundancy
"only 60 hours a week? also, one week vacay seems excessive" -billionaires
michiyl
"If it cuts into profi-, err, innovations, it has to go!"
vegangreen
I've been thinking about this a bit lately. Conservative people point to stalin, Hitler, pol pot, and say oh see what happens when someone tries to make society better. It's total cherry picking bs, because almost all positive change comes from people trying to make society better. The evil people in history aren't evil because they were trying to make things better, but rather because they were racist, murderous, they "othered" people. Denying the idea of utopias is a conservative conspiracy
KR1570F
That is, among other reasons, because conservatives just want an excuse not to try to make anything better. Or to make things go back to when other people had it worse
Sidewaysgts
But there’s no brown people in the right wing utopia! Surely they will make life better
kiptastrofeees
One week of vacation? Sounds like some commie plot to me
DeejayMalta
themayorMcCheese
Other than all the dead people, I've basically been living option 2 since 2019.. it's not an incredible amount of fun for anyone wondering
slamEVIL
Progressive left wing utopia is Star Trek. We basically want Star Trek.
KiddR78
Actually, they just want white MALE Americans to be able to be employed. They want the women to be barefoot, pregnant, and obedient.
KillingTlme
The key part... and everyone else is dead. These dumbfucks voting right wing only think of how they cam hurt others.
MissSiesta
You forget black people and everyone remotely brown serve as slaves, and can be killed without cause, reason or repercussions. Women are a subserving class, like cattle. Young girls and boys serve as sexual toys to the upper white class.
Vaccines, food, housing and health care is the privilege of the white upper class. Among regular people clean water is a rarety and death rates are extremely high.
meme2zombie
They always fight for the things they claim to hate too. Like they rail against out of touch rich people and greedy companies and then spend time and money (and sometimes their freedom and lives) to fight for those same people over and over.
DebraBaronelemonchicken
they keep screaming for small government but want to tell people what to do. such as abortion, who they can marry, force everyone to pledge allegiance, worship trump, etc
meme2zombie
MissSiesta
Fuck. That's so accurate. Fucking pieces of shit.
meme2zombie
In the end one of the biggest problems with coming to terms with conservatives is that their goal is an unequal world and they won't admit it.
cullingg
There should also be a lottery to be a billionaire, run by the one billionaire (and no oversight on how it's conducted). It's just because he's so good at the lottery game he keeps winning, and when I win I'm going to do it even better.
werrywerry
YES, literally! This isn't even a joke.
Find a single stupid fucking MAGA out of all the millions of them that would be willing to disagree with this. If their choice is "Agree" or "Disagree", every last fucking one of them will unironically agree!
doctorId
Totally unrealistic description. There wouldn't be any vacation.
CurbYourClassWar
They’d say some bullshit like “work is your vacation from homelessness/death”
NotSomoneElse68
You get a vacation, you just can't take it that week, we're short handed
themayorMcCheese
Well.. you're mostly correct, as I see it.
Every 40 hours I work I get 1 hour of vacation time but can't exceed 40 hours of vacation time per year. It's pretty fucked up. Basically, when we get laid off which is always on short notice, that's when we get "vacation". No time to plan, or make reservations etc.. just wing it and don't complain
shdon
A week of vacation? Would they really be that generous? Be serious!
Iwouldbenick
Haven't had a day off in 3 years. Even if I had a single day of PTO, who has the money to travel?
witheredspoon
"vacation" "sick leave" whats the difference?
PimpinKen
Once a year you get an hour lunch instead of 30 min. You're welcome.
VictusVonGuyver
I was about to reply. I remember when I worked for Walgreens, I had up with one year to earn one day vacation. I had to work 7 years for a week, which is capped, and I wasn't allowed to take my vacation days back to back.
PerrinAybara564
5 of those 7 days are all government mandated Holidays, you get to pick your one weekend off per year
RooGryphon
define american
MentatSpice
Libertarian Utopia: ...ehh, pretty much the plot from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
godzilladc
Libertarians are just Republicans who want to lower the age of consent.
Marsupialmessiah
Or better yet, fallout... all 50s themed bs and nuclear waste everywhere, each town has its own rules,no regulations, and they still cant make it because some corpo conglomerate uses them as either cannon fodder or lab rats.
BdrLen
Libertarianism is pretty much just feudalism with extra steps.
halfabubbleoff
Libertarians are house cats.
brainmydamage
Libertarian Utopia: No age of consent laws
sofako41404
Libertarians had a chance to build their utopia but it couldn't even survive the local wildlife.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
Default87
and also, its technically ephebophillia
Marsupialmessiah
Eeeeesh, you made me look that up.... bleeergh. Sexual attraction to teenagers. Famcy name for pedos.
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
I think the difference between the two is that one watches all the teen USA pageants and the other runs them?
Lugh314159
Literally coined by someone trying to normalize attraction to teenagers without being called a pedo!
Default87
Lugh314159
Ha! I'm not plugged into meme-ology enough to catch all these references. 😅
+1, good imgurian.
ShoopDeDoop
These are both wildly inaccurate.
meme2zombie
The left wing utopia seems accurate to me. What about it do you think left wingers wouldn't count as a utopia or what they would consider missing from it?
seenunseen
Obviously the white people working 60 hours and everyone else is dead is wrong. They want legal slaves again and slave wives. Cmon
meme2zombie
Yeah the right-wing one in the meme is intentionally wrong as part of the sarcasm/point of the meme. But they claimed that BOTH were wrong and so I want to know what they think is wrong about the left wing one.
ShoopDeDoop
That they'd want everyone to be hugely taxed to pay for the less fortunate, even if that means a majority of those taxpayers become the less fortunate. There'd also be no system to check what "less fortunate" entails, because that would be discrimination, so anyone could completely misuse the system, as we've seen so many times. You wouldn't be free to pursue your ambitions, because your taxes would keep you from having ambitions. I could go on, but I don't have enough characters.
CurbYourClassWar
You’re an idiot.
ShoopDeDoop
Did I ever say the other side doesn't raise taxes?
foreverinchains
The left wants taxes on lower- and middle-income people reduced, shifting the tax burden to corporations and the very rich.
If you had even the slightest notion of what left-wing policies actually are, you wouldn't have said the stupid things you did.
SomeDetroitGuy
So, you have zero idea what leftists actually want and believe combined with your own erroneous perceptions of how government programs, individual motivations, and economic systems actually work. I do appreciate you taking the time to explain out your complete and utter ignorance.
ShoopDeDoop
If you read the post, you can see what leftists want. Did you not read the post?
meme2zombie
So the post DOES describe what leftists want then? Which is it? Does the meme describe a left wing utopia or are both wildly inaccurate?
meme2zombie
So you think the left wing's idea of a utopia involves their ideals performing worse than they do in the real world instead of better than they do in the real world?
If you had a clue you'd know that a left wing utopia involves nobody being "less fortunate" and that ambitions in one wouldn't be based on money (either availability of it or on accumulating it).
So it turns out it's not wrong both ways you just have no clue what "utopia" means let alone what left wing ideals are.
JaceTiger
I mean, there'd still be "less fortunate" but that just means they can only afford a family of 3 comfortably on one income instead of family of 5 on one income. :P
meme2zombie
Money wouldn't be the measure of fortune in a left wing utopia and everyone could have what they need and reasonable luxuries so number of children wouldn't affect anything about how much they could do or have other than how much spare time they had.
DavidBrooker
This seems like a caricature, rather than a genuine attempt. For instance, the idea that "a majority" of taxpayers become less fortunate to pay for entitlements is a common *talking point*, but it's unclear how true it would be, given that a major grievance from the left is the massive wealth inequality in the United States, and given that its taxation structure is much less progressive than other Western states. Just for example, currently tax revenues in the US amount to about 26% of GDP 1/2
DavidBrooker
across all levels. Given a workforce of 170 million, that means the average worker contributes $45,000 to tax revenue. The median taxpayer, meanwhile, pays about $15,000 a year. Why would you expect a *more* progressive tax structure to produce a *less* equitable post-tax wealth distribution? You're making an extremely specific statement here about the price elasticity of tax revenue, which is at odds with empirical evidence from higher tax states, without any justification. 2/2
ShoopDeDoop
If what you're saying is true, then Trump's plan to raise taxes for lower and middle class and cut taxes for the wealthy shouldn't hurt anyone, correct? The cost of government services is directly proportional to the taxes the average person pays. There's no such thing as "free" healthcare. It's just shifting the payment onto the average taxpayer, so the taxpayer doesn't get to decide where their healthcare money goes, the government does. They've done such a great job so far...
foreverinchains
Just keep demonstrating that you have no fucking idea what the left actually wants, bud.
Stop getting your information about the left from Fox.
ShoopDeDoop
I have plenty of ideas of what the left wants. This post shows that OP has no idea what either side wants. Also, fuck fox news, and most "news" companies, for that matter. They should not be able to call themselves news companies.
meme2zombie
You clearly don't, also you don't know what "utopia" means. Like even putting aside you being flat wrong about the real world outcome of left wing policies this is a meme about what they think a utopia is, why would their policies work worse than right-wing ones in their utopia?
foreverinchains
Sure, you have ideas, but they're all made-up nonsense.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't understand what the positions of either side actually are, and you should go actually do the trivial amount of work it will require to fix that.
KR1570F
Would you be willing to hazard your opinion on which is closer to the accurate depiction? And or supply what you think the two utopia would be like?
ShoopDeDoop
I'd say they're both equally as far off as the other, in multiple ways. I won't get into what the actual utopia's look like because if you say anything critical/negative of the left on this site, or anything positive about the right, you get downvoted into oblivion.
KR1570F
To be honest with you I really wanted to hear what you think the left's utopian dream would be because while I can think of a few criticism of it I personally think that it's benefits massively outweigh any possible drawbacks. But if you had thought of something I hadn't that would be a chance for me to either change my view or at least defend it. What do you think the US would look like if AOC, Mamdani and Bernie got to set every policy and they all worked as intended. (utopian fantasy)
TheSecondPiewackit
You've already been downvoted to oblivion for spending 10 posts saying you don't want to write 5000 words just to get downvoted. Just talk.
KR1570F
Cool. Both sides. At least you know everyone thinks you should go f yourself.
RTBackup
Doesn't it ever get tiring being such a fragile victim all the time?
LurkingSarcasm
That's because there is nothing positive about the right.
ShoopDeDoop
There are a few things. Saying that there aren't either shows a lack of understanding of their position, or a lack of empathy. Maybe both.
MissSiesta
I'm sure Hitler was very nice man to her niece. He was however, a fucking monster to the rest of the world. If you support MAGA, you pose a threat to the wellbeing of myself, my family and the world. As such it would be self defence to attack you and incapacitate you.
foreverinchains
Again with the cowardice.
What are those few good things, bud?
You've already demonstrated that you don't understand either side with your first comment.
foreverinchains
Rather than actually state your opinion, you've shown us that you're a coward with nothing productive to say.
ShoopDeDoop
No, I'm not a coward. I just don't want to type 5000 words in a box that only lets me type 500 characters. I have plenty of productive things to say, but you wouldn't view them as productive because "LeFt GoOd, RiGhT bAd".
MeowMachine12
You've made like 30 comments dude. If you wanted to actually say something productive regardless of word count restrictions, you would have. And if this place is so unwilling to hear your productive thoughts that you won't even share, why spend all this time replying to people? Why are you here?
You're absolutely a coward and you're far less clever than you think you are. We see you.
foreverinchains
You're clearly a coward, and dumb one at that. You're too scared of people disagreeing with you and having to actually defend your opinion that you refuse to mention it, and you're not smart enough to succinctly state an opinion or realize that you can post multiple comments.
WarlockSniper
Type a post of longer characters. Upload to pastebin or a similar site. Link that site as a comment. Profit!
Or... well... be a coward, like this.
Give me some positive conservative things. Let's make that a total of 5 positive things conservatism did for the world. It can be as simple as "Recognized LGBTQ rights" (note: Conservatives don't do this, so don't bother using that one)