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Apr 17, 2022 3:30 AM
LordoftheHildago
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SubtleOrc
madmanrampant
I am super into this. On the other hand, I do kinda worry what that would do to small businesses like contractors with thin margins
madmanrampant
Like, I’m liberal as fuck. But I’m also an electrician working for a small business and would worry about job stability
geebee2639
I work 7 days, on call 24/7. Life of a carer.
ClessAurion
Not all jobs are equal. Some jobs will benefit from that, some won't.
SoupCanMan
Salary employees: YAAAY. Hourly Employees: yay, fucked again.
chainedm
Workers paid with a different metric (example : truck drivers paid per mile) : -shrug-
delpharseven
It has been found that working Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday leads to increased productivity and healthier employees.
StabbyBaker101
That's exactly what I do and my mental health is so much better for it.
FierceAndAdorable
Unless you have work specific hours because of direct customer interface like in store, restaurants, or healthcare; just assign tasks 1/2
FierceAndAdorable
and let people get their jobs done, set up their own team meetings with no specific hours. 2/2
painkiller1968
Huh?
Angyliqueone
What’s a 40 hour week? (Laughs in teacher)
uBooLian
Some professions are expected to hang on a cross.
Maxevans27
I've always done some type of construction/installation work. You have today to get it done, customer didn't take of work for tomorrow.
Angyliqueone
That’s hard work.
RedRobin327
I work 32 hours a week. Friday's off in a dental office. Love it!
Anlurai
All they'll do if 32 is the new full-time is cut hours more and hire more staff to avoid paying full-time benefits.
gtg926y
Multiple studies say it improves productivity overall even though you’re working less. Makes sense to me.
JEMbalaya
My job considers 1 day = 6 hours when planning budgets for projects, but "at most 6 hours each day are productive"
gtg926y
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sheilacallaham/2019/05/24/company-strategy-32-hour-work-week-increases-employee-productivity-collaboration/
armagetz
Be aware that this refers to white collar workers. There seems to be a deliberate ignoring that WFH and such cant apply to all jobs.
ilikehotdogsnstuff
Yeah plumbers gonna charge you that sweet weekend rate in thursdays now
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
The less I when the more productive I am. If I only work a few minutes, it's by far the most productive minutes possible.
Zega000
CyborgScribe
Wouldn't effect me since I'm salaried and can't. Are overtime but it would be interesting for the hourly workers.
CyborgScribe
My company often has difficulty keeping all the positions filled so cutting hours and hiring more would be hard for them.
dumbdumbdirtybum
3 days 3 nights then 6 off, all 12 hour shifts. Not a bad schedule
misplacedmaritimer
Reduced to 32 hours meant I had to get a 2nd job to balance books. It didnt do me one bit of good,, lowered pension contribution
AmandaCANZED
I couldn’t afford to miss out on the other 8 hours.
Alkuam2
They'd be more likely to go for four ten hour days.
giraffinator
I'd still take that
DaddyChillWhatTheHellIsEvenThat
I’m fine with it. I can fake 2 hours everyday for a 3 day weekend
Hendlton
That's how bargaining works. 4 10s is still better, for most people at least.
ShrubNinja
Well yeah, that's just taking the hours from one day and putting it in the others.
Alkuam2
Yes, but you get 3 day weekends and nobody loses work hours.
Krakencrotch
Exactly, overtime should be calculated per day, not per week.
Etherealvalentine
Why let them dictate it
Gonstackk
That top part could be almost anything that will help people, and it will still be true.
atowa
Like any penny pincher would treat their slave force with any respect.
capnadorable
The only issue I see is companies essentially paying people less if they are hourly. They should raise their pay so they still make the same
capnadorable
Amount of money working 32 hours as they did working 40 hours. But I think that’s probably unlikely.
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
Even if they did, it's still a better deal than we have now. Same amount of pay, but 50% more days off.
Sumdumguy42
Less meetings, shorter meetings, emails instead of meetings and productivity won’t suffer at all. In fact, I dread going back to the /1
Sumdumguy42
client. I have 15 hours of regular meetings and about 4h of ad-hoc ones per week. The 15hour meetings are people doing status reports. /2
Sumdumguy42
I lovingly call them “Management literacy program”, because people just read loud from a dashboard that everyone sees.
Sumdumguy42
I have about 3 hours per week of necessary regular meetings, plus the ad-hoc ones. 32 hours are easy. Mercedes in Germany has 35 (5x7)
phydaux4242
Everyone else sees 3 day weekend, I see 20% pay cut
Musubi626
EMT here. I work two 24 hour shifts a week. That's 40 hours plus 8 hours OT
CirB
I'm currently negotiating changing my contract to a four-day work week. Should find out next week how much this will cut my income.
raradizzinlove
Good luck. This is the way.
NationalSecurityAgencyOfficial
I'm trying to get three 12s and a 4 on Sunday. Thur/Fri/Sat/Most of Sun off
DunnowForgot
When going from 40h to 32h, depending on where you live, your gross income should be just above 4/5ths and your net income higher than that.
DunnowForgot
Higher incomes are in a higher tax bracket, but only for that portion of their income.
Boatdoctor
I'd be Ok with 4 days/ 10 hours per day, just so I can have a three day weekend
Tassyr
I just want a job that pays enough to cover my bills. I don't fucking care what that is, I just want to make enough to not be broke.
BewareTheIceSpiders
There's never been a better time in history to get a high paying job.
Tassyr
Yeah, that's why I'm still job hunting without any luck. It all makes sense now.
BewareTheIceSpiders
I dont know what to tell you. They are *advertising* to try and find longshoremen, paid 6-figures, only requirement is a GED.
NonstopRampage
Gotta love it. Held hostage by a system that barely works, for no other reason than you're not dead yet.
Hanaori
Hey man if you stopped drinking all thay Starbucks you'd be rolling in it /s (I want to scream when I hear this. I don't even eat out)
prodmerc
Now if you stopped living in any sort of home, you'll really be rolling in it! :/
Hanaori
I mean dude just dumpster dive and never walk around naked. No food costs. No clothing costs. Problem solved.
Hanaori
Walk around naked. Not never. Lmao.
cakeordeathdeathimeancake
I mean even in the EU the average weekly work hours is 37
ChaoticSquid
UK has hovered around 37ish up until covid. Numbers are all sorts of out of wack these days.
J3lek
I'm sure the average US work hours are closer to 47 hours per week than 40.
philovirus
Laughs in essential network infrastructure for a healthcare org, that sounds like vacation.
Meyek
US has hovered around 34 average work hours per week for the past five years.
J3lek
Ah. I didn't take into account part time jobs.
talianagisan
So probally 44. There's alot of work people do off the clock they're made to do, especially office jobs.
J3lek
4 ten hour shifts it is.
Ulfhedna
5 ten hour shifts, but the week resets on Sunday to technically its 40 this week and the first 10 on Monday
TwoSeamer
Our work is exploring options for 4x10 or 9x80. Any advice?
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
My wife works 4 tens, and I work 3 twelves. Neither of us would trade it for working 5 days a week.
mickeyjt
I worked 5 on, 5 off for 13 years - it was great.
BishlamekGurpgork
For a while, while part time, I worked three tens. That was great.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
I've worked 4 12s, it's better then 5 8s. 6-7s is also better. Everything is better the n5-8 and I think it's the standard on purpose.
OverthoughtUnderedited
What I'm hearing is you're including commute time since these assholes keep trying to drag my ass back to the goddamn office.
VaultGirl69
And no benefits for most. Unless they take half your pay. Oh wait, we're already doing that...
Trankia12
Honestly I do close to this, 4 days of 9 hours. And I love it. 3 days in a row off is worth the extra hour per shift.
Croatoan45
Fellow Amazonian?
chris3spice
I feel I'm one of the few who hates 4-10s
bourbonandbaddecisions
We’re pushing for that in the next contract. Let’s see where it goes.
BishlamekGurpgork
It's actually pretty cool.
dylankerr21
I'm on 7 10's right now, going to 7 12's next month. It sucks.
cantdo3456
Been there, still there. Just a slog
mneidinger17011
I'm on 4 10s and love it.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Honestly that still sounds pretty good.
JazzyGaming2222
My husbands job started doing this this year and he loves it
FlamedLion
Whatnot currently do, Friday is optional for overtime, though it gets taxed so much I don't often take it
nevyg
I would like that
UnbrokenStorm
I work 4 10s. Used to be 5 10s. Glad to have the extra day off
Catterverse
I did 4 10's and hated it. It would work I guess if it wasn't such a physically demanding job. I was beyond exhausted and slept away the day
saysomethingcool
That's what I work....it's graves, so I hate that aspect. But 3 day weekends are great!
UnbrokenStorm
Only thing I hate about night shift. On days off there is nothing to do at night
J3lek
I work 4 tens as well the extra 2 hours are rough, I don't know if an extra day off is worth it.
saysomethingcool
Because it's graves for me, I get off Friday morning at 5am and don't go in until Monday night at 7pm. It's pretty nice
prodmerc
Not bad if the hours over 32 are overtime (well, higher pay overtime lol). 3 days off including a business day.
muchusernamesoplanetwow
But we all can't have the same business day off or nothing will be open
HoldOnIHaveAMeme4That
How are things open on Saturdays and Sundays then?
prodmerc
The magic of shifts. Someone works Thursday-Sunday? Witchcraft!
muchusernamesoplanetwow
I thought the comment was suggesting that we'd have a business day to take care of errands like the bank
muchusernamesoplanetwow
Drs appointments etc. Stuff that is usually only 9-5 m-f
Fireninja404
I currently work 4-10. it's better than 5-8
astrangehop
In it. Love it.
Trolly2134
I also work 4 tens. The weekends are great.
BobHubert
I work 9/80’s, one hour less a day then 4/10’s with one 8 hour Friday every 2 weeks, I wish we were on 4/10’s
l3lasphemer
I honestly hated 4 - 10s
Splittmark
I used to have a job that was 4-10 AND 1-8(Fri) and 1-3(sat) some people work 50-60 hours a week. And it shouldn't be allowed
BigIdeas
As someone trying to run a side business and learn a language in my off time, switching from 5-8 to 4-10 would murder my will to live.
ShlongaDonga
Huh? Having the extra day would murder your will to live?
BigIdeas
Both are things I need to put time into every day or fall behind. If i had to work 2hrs more 4 days a week, I couldn't maintain either.
FreebooterFox
Just submitted papers w/ doc's endorsement for 4-10 as an accommodation at work, b/c it's less stress and I get 3 days to rest/recuperate.
gorgoyle
I work 3-12. And honestluy. its good.
DefaultImgurUsername
I prefer 4-10s if it is something easy, like when I worked tech help. If it was a physically or mentally taxing job I don't think it works.
kgirl924
I usually work 6 8hr shifts a week. It sucks and I am tired, but I need the money too badly.
BROpeep
It's great for trades or anyone with significant tear down and set up times too
MyFavoritesArePrettyNeatIGuess
Same, and...Same.
LiterallyAWizard
Massively. The higher-ups keep having us vote to see if we changed our mind, and it always fails.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Especially nice if you have a shitty commute.
toddthewraith
i ride the bus, and the 20min naps before and after my 4x10s are pretty dope.
Fireninja404
My commute isn't shit, but I'm still saving money on gas with the 5th day of not needing to drive
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
I work 3 12's and love the hell out of it. Nothing like having four days off every week.
raradizzinlove
So nice!
echogirltwink
That's the schedule I have and it's the best job I've ever had. I don't want to give up my 4 days off when I move :(
johneventually1
I'm trying to keep my Monday - Thursday 730-6pm shift but not many other departments or positions will accommodate.
IAmACyberneticOrganismLivingTissueOverEndoskeleton
What's up my fellow 3 twelvers!
Chikkintiddy
Mine goes 3 on 1 off, 3 on 7 off. It's very nice but the days on feel like years
pocketcthulhu
I used to do 2 8's back to back on Friday afternoon, then 2 12s on Saturday and Sunday, man it was glorious being off 4 days
KingMidas123
See I work 10-6 5 days a week, it's not the most ideal in terms of days to myself but it's remote and my team is super lax.
trevorrain
I worked 4 12's during my last job. Felt like torture sometimes.
LCMcG
We do 2,2,3 but we're also on mandatory overtime
wasmitholz
4*10. Three day weekend or "got shit to do day" off when I need it. Heaven.
SadOssan
Back in the military I was S-1 and scheduled my own days off. I would always try to stay 10 day stretches and get 4 days off each time.
SadOssan
My CO thought I was giving other people preference and sacrificing my weekends so he would give me extra days every now and then lol
BoozeHound001
At my currrent job i'd kill for it, my past job I'd quit on the spot
eaglejdc
What is it that you do?
BoozeHound001
IT helpdesk. end half of my shift is dead so extending that would be a dream.
Hendlton
Yeah? Well my boss just said that, due to being understaffed, 5 8s isn't enough. We'll have to work harder AND longer.
turomar
If you want more than 40 then u pay more. My boss once fired a client cuz they demanded 50/week from our consultants.
Hendlton
Oh, he'll pay more, but that's not the issue. The issue is that one day isn't enough to recover and I basically feel like I have 0 time off>
Hendlton
I've worked like that before, and I just felt tired all day every day. I'll see how it goes, but I'll probably quit soon unless my boss >
Hendlton
realizes how unsustainable and damaging that schedule really is.
alexanderbaker28
5 10s.... some times a double in the to spice things up, but thats the price of salary.
dudeinjapan
New a guy with 7x10 followed by 7 days off and he loooooved it. Was always tinkering with the car, adding to the house, etc.
SanchoLibre
My work week is 3 days on for 8.2 (depending on workload relatively painless and fun) hrs each, followed by 4 days off. Best. Ratio. Ever.
frigidmagi2
3 12s would kill me but 4 8s would be nice.
Sidewaysgts
I work 10-11 days straight, 140~ hours. I then take 10-11 days off.
johneventually1
Doing what?
Sidewaysgts
I drive Uber here in Las Vegas. It’s not perfect- but it’s nice making your schedule as you see fit.
pocketcthulhu
That's fair.
Sidewaysgts
Its not bad honestly. I make decent money, and get a 1.5x week vacation every other 1.5 weeks. Average “normal” hours. Get half the year off
Onlyforthiscomment
I would love that so much
sDsnAlien
I work 3 13s
weirdcalculator
I used to be in charge of setting my schedule, weather permitting. I'd work 4x10 Mo-Th, followed by Tu-Fr whenever possible. Loved it.
Huhwhatcrazy
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FartingDragon
Same. Best choice of my life.
holycrapitsmyles
Fire department?
micmaz
Where I work full time is 37h/wk. Before the pandemic I would do 4 days a week (9.25h). I LOVED my no-work Mondays.
kholli
I have a similar schedule and I love it. I would hate going back to a normal work week.
HappyClaymore
2 16s here. Its rough. But 2 on 4 off is lovely.
LurkingHusky
2+4=6 where is the 7th day
HappyClaymore
Our days off sorta rotate. One set of days off ill have mon tue wed thur off. Then next ill have sun mon tue wed off
InfinitusEquitas
That sounds awesome.
PorneliusHubertII
When I was full time I worked an alternating 12 hr shifts. 2 days on 2 days off 3 days on 2 days off 2 days on and then 3 days off. Never
PorneliusHubertII
Worked more than 3 days in a row without 2 consecutive days off. Got 84 hrs/ pay period.
gaidinbdj
Best schedule I ever had was 16-16-8. Work done in three days and since I hit 40 hours, if I came in for an extra shift it was all OT.
Castironpeppers
I toggle weekly from 3 12's and 4 12's the 3 day weekend sucks but the pay is decent
SpaghyetiWagon
I work 3-4 days of manual labor at about 5-7hr days and enjoy having the rest of the time off even though I need more rest. Average 20hr/wk
iwhannafly
Yep that was me for about 15 years
JohnSmithterms
I did that for a year when I was in my 20's for a tech company. It's not sustainable as you grow older. Push for a 4 day week :D
Athanar
Thurs-Sat and every other Wed, 12's here. Consistent days/hours are great, and being graveyard shift, I can flip during days off.
jeeps005
Sounds nice
Yverus
Long hours for short weeks is great until the employer needs constant overtime and you end up working 5-6 days anyway. Thanks Amazon!
HighSorcerer
Shit I'd be happy with 4 10s, the extra day off is a huge benefit.
TinFoilKat
Wait why are conservatives being slammed for this?? I’m one and would love a 4 day work week!
LurkerOfDarkness
But are you a conservative, or what most americans think a conservative is?
tbadass
We rotate between 4 12s one week and 3 12s the next week. I love it too.
Turner17
5 12s plus I go in an optional 6th for 3 or 4 hours. Some people may say that's too much but that's what it takes to pay bills.
MrStickyCheeks
Rotating 4-10 schedule here. It's amazing.
zigbigidorlu
I used to do 8-10s with 6 days off in a row per two weeks. It was nice.
jeeps005
8-8-8-8-0-4-0 for me
depdk
I used to work swing shift, four 12s a week. But we didn't get over time after 40 hours like other shifts. Only after 50.
Hiphop101ize
36 Nursing hours?
SavageDrums
I work 4 10s, it's the ultimate QOL improvement. Until retirement, that is.
Splittmark
I'd rather do 6 6hours. Wake up late. Go home early and have 7-8 hours of me time.. 3 hours of work. Lunch then 3 hours and home free
IHaveNoIdeaAnymore
Dude, same! I love it too.
raknor88
I work security. We do 7 on and 7 off. 12 hour shifts. The week off is amazing.
OneCraftyHooker
My mom used to do this as a nurse but her weeks off made nit hard to switch back and forth to 3rd shift.
cubicleinmate
So do you get paid for 84 hours per week?
raknor88
Nope the schedule is set so we get 42 hours a pay week. Night shift gets full 7s. But dayshift technically works 8 on 6 off with 1/
raknor88
days 1 and 8 being half shifts. It's a pain to get used to the week on, but it's nice once you get used to it. 2/2
capnadorable
That schedule is either you love it or you hate it, also depends on the job too. I loved 4 days off but the 3 days on was absolute hell.
unluckyandbored
I really liked it, but 12 hour shifts get hard when you get older
madguy50
Used to work that format at a warehouse job in Canada and as an autistic guy who thrives on sorting it was heaven.
timberjackchris
Just work road construction! Sometimes 3 soft sixes, sometimes you'll have to trudge 7 twelve or sixteens! Worst of both but I love it :)
darkhalfbreed
I hate it but only because 2 of them is like 14hrs because they extend Togo's an hour because of associated restaurant that we do Togo's for
darkhalfbreed
When it was 3 12s it was more bearable
ShirouBlue
There is no way in hell i could survive 12 hours at my current job.
SiriusWolf
Former paramedic here, I do NOT miss that.
JCBalance
Depends on your commute, too.
alchedward
Our country does 6 days 12 hours as the standard. Our company has no choice if we want to compete. It's fucked.
SpartanwithaSkirt
Chinese sweatshop??
s4ncho
Damn... where are you from?
alchedward
Bangladesh. By law everything after 8 hours is overtime but the wages are below living wage so everyone has to work 4 hours "overtime"
alchedward
We pay more than our competitors but we're still in the red, as we're new and owe investors almost 1 million. After that our goal is to
annonymouse211
Nursing?
capnadorable
Warehousing.
furiouslumberjack
I'm a nurse and do this. I wrap and have 6x 12s on, then 8 days off. I love it so much.
TheOneandOnlyFuhrer
Damn, im doing the 8 on 6 off :| I've been had it seems.
Demmayyy
God I could never do six in a row. Maybe pre Covid but def not now. I left the bedside and do clin ed 8hrs/5days. Love it
DMSledge
The math on it says that average quality of service is terrible in those rotations anyway.
VulpineAxiom
Sounds like you work in production. I work quality for a company that we have a dept that runs 3 12s. We also have one that runs 4 10s 1/2
VulpineAxiom
and a floating off. So you get weekends then a random day off.
Krakovix
I used to do this, it was 4 on, 3 off. Then 3 on, 4 off with 12 hour days. It got changed to 3 and a half (6 hour) everyweek though cause ot
Krakencrotch
This kinda funky schedule is exactly why overtime should be counted per day instead of per week. Anything over 8h is overtime.
HannibalHoseth
Only 12? Only 3?!!
DarkerHadou
I spotted the Intel employee.
Spoonland
dam I work like 10 hours 5 day a week minimum. to home with covid and it (not really) feels like a vacation
lucasmacdonald81101
I used to work 50-60 hour weeks then I realized wtf am I doing and stopped. Best decision I ever made. I hope you get better soon.
Spoonland
thanks, dude. 'bout work yeah I'm with you in that but still I need to pay bills. not easy to stop
whirlydoodle
Get well soon! ??
Spoonland
SerialChickenLover
Basically block out 3 days of your week for work and nothing else, handle all of life’s other shit on the other 4. Makes sense to me, maybe/
SerialChickenLover
/not if you have kids who need you to be on a consistent schedule though
phantomfaith88
Single w/ no kids here, my schedule is just whenever im not tired ?
ArcanistMMXIV
if both partners are working it then you can have someone at home every day, and one day wth the whole family at home.
Haemaelaeinen
I do 12h day/night shift, 2 days on/off and it is brutal with kids. I don't like it one bit.
CheeseBakedCrouton
Panama 12’s were my absolute favorite in the military. You essentially got half the year off.
Kusoman
I work 4 10's and have 4 days off. Love it.
pocketcthulhu
I just got into management, owners of the company want us to move to 32 hour weeks
KeepingRepostStatsBusy
Well in America, anything under 40 loses full time status and benefits. Management strives for that
MimicOctopi
Anything under 32 hours loses full-time benefits.
fknbastard
Good
Voydom
I would consider doing 2-4 weekends instead of 3-3 or shorter days. The 4 days weekend is huge every two weeks.
HandoB4Javert
NiftyGoblin
What about pay, are they adjusting for living wage to account the loss of hours? Or they just doing a paycut via hours.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Everyone, or just management?
TheHappyCreator
Asking the important questions.
Truckin
Like a good house boy or girl he bailed when the questions got rough.
Truckin
*they or them
pocketcthulhu
Fuck it, call me the tattooed weirdo for all I care.
ComcastLover
I think you're being unfair.
pocketcthulhu
Everyone including my team.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Awesome to hear. Three cheers for good leadership.
pocketcthulhu
Oh yeah these guys are great to work with. A huge improvement from the last hospital I worked with.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
If there's any profession that could use better shift rotations, it's a hospital.
vinny8boberano
At the same hourly pay? Same hourly sick/pto rate? Are they cutting hours of minimum salary or just cutting pay/benefits?
belovedlover
Why wouldn't they keep the same hourly compensation? Some people with monthly salary may be pissed though if their income decreases.
vinny8boberano
I would hope that they keep the same compensation, but can't bring myself to trust it.
pocketcthulhu
We are all on salery, no change.
babycheesehead
Are you hiring?
pocketcthulhu
Yeah, we are talking About absorpting another company.
Dstar99a
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tacoperrito
I have heard it referred to by progressive HR professionals as 100:80:100 - 100% pay, 80% of current time, commitment to 100% productivity
backrideup9
Except that management's productivity doesnt matter to worker output. I see my boss once a week ,maybe, and make my quota every day.
finniss
It does if you do it right. Keep stress low, challenge employees properly, make them know they are valued, make sure things are smooth.
UsuallySpecial
Yep. I’ve long contended that the average (not “could be replaced by a robot”) worker does the same actual work whether in a 5/8/12 hour day
UsuallySpecial
*work per day, whether 5-12 hours, I mean. People pace themselves and their brains get tired.
finniss
Depends on the work. A big part of what I do is be available to deal with problems.
UsuallySpecial
Right, that’s another category - but you’re often not actually “working” all shift, right? Plenty of downtime when I’ve had that role.
finniss
Yep. There is always stuff to do, but not things I HAVE to do.
tacoperrito
The kicker is that I know a lot of people who put in a solid 40 hours at a desk job but the “on call” requirements often mean people work 1
tacoperrito
60+ hours because their employer takes advantage of obscure terms & conditions. It’s certainly that way here in the UK. 2