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Yep
This needs to be echoed from the hospital halls.
Aug 16, 2021 2:12 AM
PrincessPicklebricks
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This needs to be echoed from the hospital halls.
dudehiemer
Willfully unvaccinated people should be bumped from beds for others, and charged double.
theguywiththevoice
treat 'em in a Wal-Mart parking lot with Karen's essential oils and MAGAs with bleach shoving UV lamps up their asses, their trusted people.
Jackpot123
Only getting worse too. So many health care staff quitting because of insane hours, shit pay, stressful situation, etc. It's scary stuff.
AndMeToo40
Actually. Self inflicted and deliberately infecting others and prolonging the pandemic. Fuck off!
AndMeToo40
Self inflicted. Get to the back of the queue.
codeblue4me4
Do battle field type of triage. We only have so many resources and staff. On ICU with 2 patients I rarely have time to eat or pee.
gaidinbdj
Which is based on survival chance vs. available resources, not based on whether you like the person or not.
CoarseAndSalty
For triage reasons alone that should be the policy. Vaccinated people have a better chance for survival.
PJShpip
I remember the 80s, when people said the same thing about AIDS patients with a straight face.
datphone777365
i dont recall there being a vax for aids that people could refuse to take due to ignorance/politics. so maybe not the best comparison.
Bizzlesnatch
We just take care of who's sick. Nazis, trumpers, antivax. We can't start choosing now. It's up to you gen-pop to throw blanket parties.
imnotsureaboutthat
Yup, a huge percentage of people in a hospital are there for completely preventable causes.
OhhHaiMark
The hypocritical oath had not room for hypocrisy. Everyone sick should be treated. We are better then the people we dislike
LurkerByNature
I respect your work ethic, but I love your attitude.
Bizzlesnatch
I can supply some bars if soap, oranges, pillowcases, and blankets.
LizardEnterprises
...Yes we can. We absolutely can.
Bizzlesnatch
Ain't nobody got time for that
Urgalicity
They should come very last. After the boo boos and papercuts.
DarkLionArt
They shouldn't recieve care at all. They made their choice.
BeastofKnowledge
As one, I support this.
cactuskid1956
Yes Sturgis
dpeiffer10127001
Give them a jug of bleach and make them stay home!
kaytwit
What's funny is patients don't like being told they refused something. I DIDN'T REFUSE. It says here you declined treatment. You refused.
kaytwit
Call me nurse Ratchet but when pts do that with anything ordered, i just say That's fine. I'll just document in your chart
kaytwit
That you are refusing it. Oh they lose their minds and usually they change their tune. If u are going to refuse treatment, why are you here?
twoamartist
AND receive no medical cost benefits.
downrightmike
Pay full uninsured price. Insurance companies shouldn't have to raise our premiums to pay for this shit.
GoW1n
Also, their health insurance premiums should be higher than smokers.
downrightmike
Or straight out cancelled, because they are taking this risk, what others are they taking?
Rafter1611
That's inhuman tbf. Just put them at the back of the queue and anyone vaxxed, get s ahead of unvaxxed.
twoamartist
When given the option of a free vaccine, or tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills, I think they might come around.
BadgerSims
Normally I’d say there is no way to enforce this, but that lot would gladly tick a box on an application to that effect upon checkin.
NVGoddesscottage
My daughter needs brain surgery now, but with pre-op & scheduling it’s 3 weeks at least. I’m just watching those numbers go up in critical
BigMoCotton
Obaervation, not a stance or directed at OP: I find it interesting how many treat the unvaxxed as 3rd class yet support Universal care.
KyleZombie
I find it interesting that unvaccinated people go to hospitals when they catch the virus. Did I say interesting? I meant INFURIATING.
theangryjanitor
That would be too, too delicious.
daianaaaa
Sorry but I don’t agree. Everyone needs to be taken care of, or nobody at all who makes any kind of unhealthy choice
LizardEnterprises
There is a clear, obvious difference between someone who eats a dorito and someone who willingly spreads a plague.
datphone777365
some unhealthy choices dont plauge others with their consequences. so not really a quandary.
daianaaaa
I’m vaccinated and I’m aware that my viral load might be less, but not gone. So I can also plague others.
datphone777365
you took steps to prevent being a risk to others, thats the point.
KyleZombie
Fuck you.
ProbablyBex
How can you possibly condone priority treatment of ANYONE regardless of status? You dont just get to discriminate against people because
ProbablyBex
Of your beliefs and opinions! How dare you tell anyone their life is less valuable because it doesn't meet YOUR standards? Regardless of
ProbablyBex
Whether or not you are vaccinated,NOBODY should have basic services taken away from them. This is BIGGER than vaccinations.
ProbablyBex
People have the right to make medically informed choices. People deserve the right to autonomy. It shouldn't even be a damn question.
aesthesia1
Ok anti-vaxxer. Into the firepit you go.
datphone777365
they chose to endanger others when they chose to not get vaxxed. that choice was based on informed perspective but politics and ignorance
datphone777365
wasnt*
datphone777365
thus.
stringerbellforaday
As a conservative I agree with this
ThailandExpress
hey they may have forgot about Jesus Christ, no reason we should. Show them what 'love thy neighbor' really means
KyleZombie
Fuck Jesus and fuck you.
LizardEnterprises
Fine. I'll start by loving those of my neighbors who *aren't* willingly spreading a deadly plague. When they're taken care of, I'll see.
aesthesia1
I'm not a fucking christian.
datphone777365
leave that hippie wood working lich be on his stick he hasnt done shit sense nor has the deity played avatar for. ya know the plauge sender.
TheDogEnd
As long as we're combining religion and healthcare, I'd suggest giving them a taste of their own medicine
ThailandExpress
datphone777365
so much for the fundie "brotherly love" bit aye?
youdoeslies
you cant be selective with medical care
datphone777365
triage is a thing.
RhetoricalRobot
"But why male models?" They're literally being forced to be.
LizardEnterprises
Have you ever heard of 'Triage'?
youdoeslies
triage is sorting the urgency of need for care.....
LizardEnterprises
Yeah, and when there's a perfectly good vaccine, or FOUR, I don't think its at all urgent to treat people who choose to go unvaccinated.
youdoeslies
anyone should be treated. being an idiot has nothing to do with that
LizardEnterprises
1/2 Thats a great argument to make in a world where there's unlimited care available, but we don't live in that world. How many counties are
Givememyaccountback
When it comes down to overflowing hospitals they have to be selective, it's unavoidable at that point.
youdoeslies
not urgency depending on lifestyle/politics or intellectual choices and whether they are more or less deserving of that care
datphone777365
if things get bad enough i can see admins reserving supplies for the vaxxed vs the willfully unvaxxed, and they should.
Givememyaccountback
Those who willingly put themselves in danger first should not get priority over those who have tried to protect themselves/others, which is
Givememyaccountback
What's happening. It's not a lifestyle/political/etc choice. They chose to ignore medical advice so this wouldn't happen now they get to
Givememyaccountback
Receive urgent medical treatment and screw over people who did follow medical advice.
livurz
Looks like a lot of people in this thread are salty about consequences...
magila
Steady on George. Now is not the time to victim blame, even if the victims were duped into shooting themselves in the head.
KyleZombie
They're not victims in any way, shape, or form. They did this to themselves.
KyleZombie
I can't think of a better time in human history than to blame the victims for suffering the consequences of their own actions.
LizardEnterprises
They cease to be victims the moment they kill through their actions - by spreading covid or depriving others of medical care.
LizardEnterprises
Imagine if we used that logic every time some right wing nut snapped? "Incel mass shooters are the REAL victims. Don't shoot him!"
adirolf123
This fits in the American Zeitgeist. Truly awful. What's next deny outer people health care. Oh you are already there.
datphone777365
you mean the health care they willfully refused, ya know that vax that is tax paid for? oopsie forgot that huh.
KyleZombie
What the fuck is wrong with you? How dare people refuse the vax and then go to the hospital when they get the virus. How DARE they.
adirolf123
We also treat relapsing addict's, people with Adipositas and other conditions stemming from decisions. We help people even when they put 1/2
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adirolf123
themselves in the situation. There is nothing to negotiate about this. 2/2
KyleZombie
Are there vaccines for those things you just mentioned? Do the patients spread those illnesses to others? If not, then fuck you.
SoMuchPooPooSon
I get the sentiment but that goes against the ethics that health practitioners are taught, which is to treat everyone regardless of who...
KyleZombie
Fuck you, get the vax.
SoMuchPooPooSon
Very nuanced argument. And I agree that everyone should, that's not really my point.
SoMuchPooPooSon
...they are and what their beliefs are. If you start with something simple like this, you don't know what it could lead to.
datphone777365
triage?
SoMuchPooPooSon
I can't tell whether you're agreeing with me or not, but either way you proved my point. Thank you.
datphone777365
yes and no at the same time. should this go worse i would not be shocked if they started prioritizing vaxed patients over willfully none vax
SoMuchPooPooSon
I get what you're saying, but I would be shocked because it goes completely against what everyone in healthcare is taught at college/uni.
gaidinbdj
Yes, exactly. Triage is based solely on expected survival and available resources, not your personal feelings about the patient.
datphone777365
yes, i wouldnt be shocked if "refused vax" would be factored into survival expectancy/supply shortage if this gets bad enough.
gaidinbdj
That's not triage, then. At that point, you're simply creating castes.
cogitoro
As a registered Democrat, I have to say: George Takei tweets a surprising amount of really just truly bad takes. This is one of them.
KyleZombie
As a fellow registered Democrat... Fuck you.
JesusStoleMyWeed
I have doubts. Americans spell surprising with a Z
gaidinbdj
That depends entirely on where you learned to read and write, not your current nationality.
JesusStoleMyWeed
Yeah.. most Americans learn to read and write in America
gaidinbdj
Most Americans are also right-handed, what's your point?
JesusStoleMyWeed
That in American English surprising is spelled with a Z
catsandcoke
Willfully unvaccinated should be put in the parking garage. Anti vax nurses can take care of them. Vaccinated get indoor hospital beds
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troutslap
I'm gonna take the unpopular opinion and say no. Should we apply this with obesity? Alcoholism? 40-year smokers with cancer?
kctrainmechformallykcbusmech87
And they should have to pay the exorbitant parking rates for the space their trolley takes up on top of their medical bills.
Penth13f
This sounds a lot like republican rhetoric. We care about human life, don't we?
ILikeRespondingWithWillSmithGifs
Enough is enough.. they chosen their paths and they will reap the consequences that bestow upon them. They don’t care why should we?
IDidSawABear
No, this is basic triage at this point.
Penth13f
Fair.
Jt68686
Do the Republicans? I'm talking about actually caring about human life not just shouting "all lives matter"..
Penth13f
So you wanna do what they do?
Jt68686
It's not about doing what they're doing. It's not for no reason, it's time they face the consequences of their actions
Arkvoodle
Republican rhetoric would be saying maga hats or no admittance and they have to pay before receiving care.
PoeticSoul
I support the right to assisted suicide.
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emvisual
Do you believe “the gays” made HIV? And who gets poisoned by choice?
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emvisual
Was I even talking with you? The comment above is deleted, so I'm not sure what the point is anymore, especially after 3+ weeks.
kingkongkeom
If e.g smokers block every bed in every hospital, then you have an argument. But thats not the case. Its all covid, almost only unvaccinated
AShartInTheWind
Except all those people aren't a danger to others around them.
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AShartInTheWind
I don't remember what the conversation was. That was 3wks ago bro.
PosthumousExile
Except smokers but yeah
TheKeytarPlatypus
Their mere existence in society isn’t a danger to others around them. All of those things definitely CAN be a danger to others (minus skate)
TheKeytarPlatypus
And probably most cases of poisoning. Point being that you can’t spread them to other people just by existing near them
LaLLe
so an immunocompromised who cant take the vaccine should not get priority care? SO many Grey areas
ReaperCDN
Antivaxx =/= immunocompromised. You are ignoring the word wilful.
ReaperCDN
*wilfull
chloethefrenchcat
They said WILLFULLY unvaxxed people. Pretty sure immunocompromised and severely allergic people are exempt from that.
LaLLe
But it could easily overlap. A life is life, and help should be based on need and not on anything else
Cha0sForever
A few leaking through it better than taking up 90+% of the hospital
Pedantically
So much for the "if it saves one life" rhetoric, eh? As long we're punishing our opponents it's okay if a few others die along the way?
chloethefrenchcat
In a hospital be shortage, car crash victims shouldn't have to wait and die just because someone chose to not take the proper precautions
chloethefrenchcat
*bed. Forgive the typo, it's 3:30 am and I'm up with endometriosis pain.