Worth noting that if you're on the right side of history there's no such thing as a "gotcha" question, no matter how hard the other side tries to make one up. Only people on the wrong side of things need to duck and dodge questions.
Maybe to be fair, wind the clock back to 332 BC when the entire population of Gaza was vacated. Alexander the Great wiped the whole population out in his rampage towards Persia.
So.. he is saying that when you murder, rape and enslave a group of people, force them to live in absolute squalor for 20 years.. that group of people gets... angry at you? WHO KNEW!
Well said. I keep asking people I know who're on the fence, "Say a group of foreigners who had just finished working (successfully overall) as resistance forces/cells against an invading army abroad, immigrated en masse with their families in tow, then killed your cousins and stole your Grandparents' houses; would you reproach someone for fighting and killing them, and would you call them a terrorist? How much would you personally tolerate?"
I love that he did his research in this. He has mentioned Nat a few times and he is putting it in his book (can’t remember if it’s already out). But it’s a great parallel.
I mean outside of the Isreal-Palestinian conflict (even that is extremely white-centered in his approach), he's quite conservative, especially when it comes to the LGBT community (who wrote a book about , and i say that to be nice. So personally, i don't wish more people like him at all.
Don't think i'll ever understand people so eager to push him at the forefront of the Israel-Palestine discussion, in everything but that he's pretty much a conservative and doesn't hide it either.
Noam Chomsky, the guy who was friend with Jeffrey Epstein and defended it publicly when confronted ? Well, that sure makes me feel better... Again, he literally wrote some books iun which he says he takes personnal pleasure misgendering trans people and what not, one of his book is about wokeness and talk about it like a conservative would. You can look everything up yourself.
Yes, a 72-year-old is transphobic. Everyone says he's an asshole and gender isn't his area of academic expertise. You're essentially making a personality argument for why a person isn't a leftist rather than an ideological one. Leftists can also be assholes. Join any socialist organization and you'll find out. Likewise, Chomsky doesn't seem like a great guy either. Still a leftist.
His age is no excuse, plenty of older people than him are much more progressives. Hell people from 19th century from leftist movement were more progressives. I don't care whether he consider himself a socialist, Bill Gates consider himself a socialist too. It's not words that define a person but their action, that's the basic concept of praxis. Chomsky, likewise is all about defending his position of privilege and the status quo, he's just anti US-imperialism. Liberals would be more fitting.
Finkelstein has been advocating for Palestinian rights to a global audience since the 1980's, he's written several books documenting the brutality of Israeli occupation, he gives lectures and spars with news anchors on a regular basis against Zionism, and his academic career has suffered greatly for all of this. If you want to talk praxis, that's praxis. What the fuck have you done in comparison, apart from gatekeeping? You're the armchair liberal my dude.
Okay but Gaza was Egypt until 1967, 1948 was kind of more like when the US gave Iran to the Mullah but for Israel. Don't get me wrong, mostly I am just annoyed by societies misinformation. Like WW II did not start on Sept 3 1949.
The CIA gave it to them, Iran didn't even wear Hijabs before then, lol, the whole "unrest" was about hijabs, lol and because they attacked Iran it shifted even more right wing, lol, fucking up Americans decided who's in charge now.
The US discovered Iran and the people living there. Poof! Into existence just like that. Isn't the American God grand? Things just appear for Americans! Just like Columbus discovered America!
That's not true. Gaza was never part of Egypt. It was administered by Egypt from 1948 - 1967 after the Zionists ethnically cleansed Israel of Palestinians and forced them into Gaza and the West Bank. Around 70% - 80% of Palestinians in Gaza are refugees. Norman Finkelstein is recognized as the foremost expert on Gaza, having wrote about the conflict for over 40 years. You complaining about misinformation from him is hilarious.
Do you need a UN link because it's still officially Egypt, just like the other 3 countries they invaded are still named differently. Saying they are displaced refugees doesn't change that it's Egypt. It was administered by Egypt because they owned it, 1948 was when the whole region was drawn on a map lol, ottomans lost in ww I but not taking their colonies was a WW II idea, lol, but you should really look into before 1948 so you understand why we have Kurds but no country for them, lol. Persian?
The same UN that recognizes Palestine as a state and refers to Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory? Guess what country they say it's occupied by. Not Egypt. But sure, post your link.
Doesn't change that it was Egypt, or change the fact that Israel is invading 4 countries in two totally opposite directions but they are all Palestinians somehow. Istanbul was Constantinople, just like Israel was Palestine, Israel uses the term Palestinian to be racists and hide that they are attacking 4 countries, it should be like the N-word where only the people identifying themselves is allowed.
Hold on. So you thought this map which shows "Palestine (U.K.)" in green as a "territory administered under a League of Nations Mandate" is proof that Palestine was part of Egypt in blue?
I'm trying really hard to understand your thinking because your map completely disproves your assertion.
Destro24
“We killin them for freedom ‘cause they tortured us for boredom”
CelestialSea
Worth noting that if you're on the right side of history there's no such thing as a "gotcha" question, no matter how hard the other side tries to make one up. Only people on the wrong side of things need to duck and dodge questions.
DaisyfromDownunder
Maybe to be fair, wind the clock back to 332 BC when the entire population of Gaza was vacated. Alexander the Great wiped the whole population out in his rampage towards Persia.
lalalalsblablabal
Please sign and share this eu citizens initiative for full suspension of EU-Israel association agreement:
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/055/public/#/screen/home
ItsACrazyWorld
So.. he is saying that when you murder, rape and enslave a group of people, force them to live in absolute squalor for 20 years.. that group of people gets... angry at you? WHO KNEW!
Dolenmorgul
In a very real way Israel has created Hamas and has created Hezbollah
circlebreaker
Well said. I keep asking people I know who're on the fence, "Say a group of foreigners who had just finished working (successfully overall) as resistance forces/cells against an invading army abroad, immigrated en masse with their families in tow, then killed your cousins and stole your Grandparents' houses; would you reproach someone for fighting and killing them, and would you call them a terrorist? How much would you personally tolerate?"
dynamojoe
A thoughtful reply.
IHaveAGuyForEverything
I love that he did his research in this. He has mentioned Nat a few times and he is putting it in his book (can’t remember if it’s already out). But it’s a great parallel.
WarmMachineDD7
Finkelstein has always been consistent, here he is way back in October 26, 2023 on Piers Morgan's show:
HandoB4Javert
TheLastSpaceman
I wish, I wish, I wish...
There was more like him
KPodol
I mean outside of the Isreal-Palestinian conflict (even that is extremely white-centered in his approach), he's quite conservative, especially when it comes to the LGBT community (who wrote a book about , and i say that to be nice. So personally, i don't wish more people like him at all.
KPodol
Don't think i'll ever understand people so eager to push him at the forefront of the Israel-Palestine discussion, in everything but that he's pretty much a conservative and doesn't hide it either.
SquirtVonnegut
He's literally a socialist who's best friends with Noam Chomsky and has Alan Dershowitz as a lifelong nemesis, but okay.
KPodol
Noam Chomsky, the guy who was friend with Jeffrey Epstein and defended it publicly when confronted ? Well, that sure makes me feel better... Again, he literally wrote some books iun which he says he takes personnal pleasure misgendering trans people and what not, one of his book is about wokeness and talk about it like a conservative would. You can look everything up yourself.
SquirtVonnegut
Yes, a 72-year-old is transphobic. Everyone says he's an asshole and gender isn't his area of academic expertise. You're essentially making a personality argument for why a person isn't a leftist rather than an ideological one. Leftists can also be assholes. Join any socialist organization and you'll find out. Likewise, Chomsky doesn't seem like a great guy either. Still a leftist.
KPodol
His age is no excuse, plenty of older people than him are much more progressives. Hell people from 19th century from leftist movement were more progressives. I don't care whether he consider himself a socialist, Bill Gates consider himself a socialist too. It's not words that define a person but their action, that's the basic concept of praxis. Chomsky, likewise is all about defending his position of privilege and the status quo, he's just anti US-imperialism. Liberals would be more fitting.
SquirtVonnegut
Finkelstein has been advocating for Palestinian rights to a global audience since the 1980's, he's written several books documenting the brutality of Israeli occupation, he gives lectures and spars with news anchors on a regular basis against Zionism, and his academic career has suffered greatly for all of this. If you want to talk praxis, that's praxis. What the fuck have you done in comparison, apart from gatekeeping? You're the armchair liberal my dude.
theworldcouldbeflat
Okay but Gaza was Egypt until 1967, 1948 was kind of more like when the US gave Iran to the Mullah but for Israel. Don't get me wrong, mostly I am just annoyed by societies misinformation. Like WW II did not start on Sept 3 1949.
CaldariBob
No one gave Iran to the mullahs. It was a widely-supported popular uprising.
theworldcouldbeflat
The CIA gave it to them, Iran didn't even wear Hijabs before then, lol, the whole "unrest" was about hijabs, lol and because they attacked Iran it shifted even more right wing, lol, fucking up Americans decided who's in charge now.
Acquiredtaste
What do you mean: the US *gave* Iran? You have no right to *give* something which isn't yours.
ChiLLeCheeze
The US discovered Iran and the people living there. Poof! Into existence just like that. Isn't the American God grand? Things just appear for Americans! Just like Columbus discovered America!
theworldcouldbeflat
Columbus and the US definitely have the same colonial expansion ideas.
SquirtVonnegut
That's not true. Gaza was never part of Egypt. It was administered by Egypt from 1948 - 1967 after the Zionists ethnically cleansed Israel of Palestinians and forced them into Gaza and the West Bank. Around 70% - 80% of Palestinians in Gaza are refugees. Norman Finkelstein is recognized as the foremost expert on Gaza, having wrote about the conflict for over 40 years. You complaining about misinformation from him is hilarious.
theworldcouldbeflat
Do you need a UN link because it's still officially Egypt, just like the other 3 countries they invaded are still named differently. Saying they are displaced refugees doesn't change that it's Egypt. It was administered by Egypt because they owned it, 1948 was when the whole region was drawn on a map lol, ottomans lost in ww I but not taking their colonies was a WW II idea, lol, but you should really look into before 1948 so you understand why we have Kurds but no country for them, lol. Persian?
SquirtVonnegut
The same UN that recognizes Palestine as a state and refers to Gaza as Occupied Palestinian Territory? Guess what country they say it's occupied by. Not Egypt. But sure, post your link.
theworldcouldbeflat
Doesn't change that it was Egypt, or change the fact that Israel is invading 4 countries in two totally opposite directions but they are all Palestinians somehow. Istanbul was Constantinople, just like Israel was Palestine, Israel uses the term Palestinian to be racists and hide that they are attacking 4 countries, it should be like the N-word where only the people identifying themselves is allowed.
SquirtVonnegut
Where were you educated about this history? Serious question.
theworldcouldbeflat
Take a moment to read the map provided by the UN here.
https://www.un.org/geospatial/content/world-1945
SquirtVonnegut
Hold on. So you thought this map which shows "Palestine (U.K.)" in green as a "territory administered under a League of Nations Mandate" is proof that Palestine was part of Egypt in blue?
I'm trying really hard to understand your thinking because your map completely disproves your assertion.