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Sep 13, 2021 6:29 AM
BabaLovesAll
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Decoyape11
Episode 1? E-p-I-s-o-d-e 1? Really?
SilkyAvenger
You are giving the star wars prequel trilogy entirely too much credit.
dancingbarefootonlego
jethro007
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
jessika95ve
Tbh I like/prefer that. Blind Zealots loving whatever they're fans of are cancer on the world.
notdeadjusttired350
I liked The Last Jedi, it was refreshing to have a star wars movie do something other than another death star and the emperor
finitetoast
About half of the Last Jedi is the most interesting thing they did in any of the nine movies. The other half is boring.
Ashpond
heteroscedastic
Incorrect: The penis should be drawn in exquisite detail.
luzeke
The quality of the prequel trilogy is flipped. It went from bad to tolerable
Ubik360
You think the Star Wars prequels got worse as they went along?
adiving
Well .. 2 and 3 were fun of course. But where was the pod racing! *hides*
Muffdiver9
Two was pretty awful, but three was decent. The core stories weren't bad, but the dialogue, directing, and politics were so damn dull.
afatrollofmyown
The core story is there, like an unfinished sculpture, just the artist how no idea how to execute his vision.
Muffdiver9
In my opinion it wouldn't take a lot to turn the prequels into at least decent films. The bland dialogue alone is huge.
Gosuamakenatek
There seems to be a lot of disagreement over whether they got progressively worse or progressively less worse. I say they sucked equally.
CaptainSomebody
I'd argue the last two star wars' should switch, but otherwise, yeah
AMBM2
I’d agree. TLJ was decent. ROS was crap. Also, sequels over prequels any day you aren’t blinded by nostalgia
n3ckr0mantic
Prequels were pretty damned terrible too
captainpizza
The Last Jedi is better the Rise of Skywalker. By like a lot. Rise of Skywalker is probably the worst piece of star wars media to exist.
flufflogic
This is missing "Rogue One", which should be a photo of a horse.
afatrollofmyown
Rogue One is so good, a class of it's own.
AndrewS816
Actually "Rogue One" would be a Pegasus with rocket launchers and blasters strapped to it flying out of the lava of a volcano in comparison.
Weelildragon2
I dont think its part of the SKYWALKER saga.
TireeRunner
And "Solo"... Which would be, uhh, a smaller cock & balls I guess?
SpecialContainmentProcedures
I would strongly disagree and I think have some genuine reasons for it.
JPBStory
And the Mandalorian is a HD video of a group of wild horses but if you look closesly, every frame is a photorealistic oil painting
JPBStory
With a few tiny dickbutts jarringly thrown in for no reason
billytense
thank you
JarJarBinksKisser
Rogue One is the best modern day Star Wars. The Rey trilogy is so so terrible.
JupiterMiningCorpRep
I think the force awakens was good and set up the trilogy to be potentially very interesting. But the next two films failed to follow throug
JarJarBinksKisser
Thats what I thought to. But the force awakens was just a lazy rehash of the original.
JupiterMiningCorpRep
I can agree to that.
Muffdiver9
I would strongly disagree, but hey, everyone has their own opinion. At least one new film was able to make some people happy.
QuackQuackQuackItsPlatypusDuck
I've never liked Star Wars films, but I liked Rogue One. It was succinct and told a story without having me listen to 3 hours of space law.
Muffdiver9
That's an unfortunate legacy of the prequels. The fixation on politics combined with terrible dialogue made Ep.1 especially dull.
topgeareasy
what about harry potter?
LetTheWorldBurnSinceNoOneFFFingCares
It's a decently drawn female horse the entire way through, but the artist insists that you have to acknowledge that it was born male
HoldingAccount
I think the SW sequels are better than the prequels.
TheVoicesinMyHeadSingShowtunes
But thats just like your opinion, man.
Telruin
... Would it be funnier if the right side of "The Return of the King" was stretched out a bit?
JoylessGreyhound
I couldn't agree more! +1
TheSuperChef
I actually really like Revenge of the Sith.
LaronX
Star Wars never was amazing and people have a bit to hard of a nostalgia boner for it. It's not bad, but it is no masterpiece
Grenateh
Seasons 5 and 6 were fine just stop
brianbrian4566
Agree to disagree
sjpace76
Wait a minute! This doesn't completely reflect my taste! Like the things I like! Dislike the things I don't like!
Nixipixi
Parks n' Rec
DopplerSexWaves
The Hobbit
iaddsan
MandalorianHybrid1
God damn, I laughed a little too hard at this. +1 my good man.
killymcmurder
RaZorHamZteR
ArghhhMyGroin
This is perfect
TheAncientSea
Bloated and slow
uplookdont
Panorama that horse and yes
Cooverdam
Not stretched out enough
maststick
110 pages turned into 7-8 hours of movie. It was a pure money grab off the back of LOTR
bog015
Still good though
ThoughtsAndBeers
Doesn’t matter, majestic af
jotchy
Nixipixi
Parks n' Rec
bbassett13
I don’t get it
Nixipixi
TheBigMcC
I read the book as an 8 y/o and waited 30 years for the film. After they left Bag End it rapidly went down him. I had a lil cry.
Klaaism
I still enjoyed it, even bad lotr is still better than most
Rhia38
Same. It has its flaws without a doubt, but I still enjoyed it.
LadyLink
Same here. I mean. Martin Freeman made a fabulous young Bilbo and the Dwarves songs made me happy
Ultemus
What would make it better if it was four times as long as it needed to be
Haidere1988
I got you fam. https://youtu.be/PSaSqMxLU_E
breadedfishstrip
Extended barrel ride scene
Inarticulated
More dwarf elf romance scenes
zfournier16
I actually really enjoyed the live action they made thpught it could have been better with the original orcs instead of cgi
neverborne
It felt like a pirates of the Caribbean movie. Which I love, but totally different vibe to LOTR and did not fit.
2graves
Exactly
homoerection
Well, the book the Hobbit had a totally different vibe than the LOTR series.
neverborne
So the Hobbit sucked.
zfournier16
No it just doesnt have as much of an end of the world vibe
NightPainPoe
No, it was a kid story. Not as intense as LoTR
TCGView
Still not seen Rise of Skywalker.
ImKindaDone
Haven't missed much.
TheWarHymn
The Mandalorian
Rhia38
People told me Rogue One was good. I almost fell asleep and can't remember a single character. Does the Mandalorian rly live up to the hype?
afatrollofmyown
Yes. 100 times yes.
BabaLovesAll
It’s good? Thought once Disney touched it.. it’s going to be bad...
afatrollofmyown
It's so good. Dave Filoni is a master weaver with the story.
Mordy9
This is the way!
claudethegirl
I’m sorry. I’ll take that D before having to watch Anakin and Padme pretend to be into each other.
XVUltima
Interesting opinion on Star Wars. Last Jedi is usually considered the better of the sequels, and RotS the best of the prequels.
mastikator
Depends, if you ask a True Star Wars Fan™ they'll kill you for liking TLJ. Normal people do like it though.
DoktorWeasel
TLJ is despised by most fans. I'd say TFA was the best of the sequels, it's main problem was being derivative. TLJ had some strong parts
DoktorWeasel
(like the Rey/Kylo stuff). But also had some weak junk like the casino planet plot and everything on the fleet. And had the controversial
DoktorWeasel
handling of Luke. It also had the problem of actively trying to destroy everything set up in TFA. The sequels really suffered from the lack
DoktorWeasel
of a coherent creative vision. The prequels at least had that, although the writing, directing and acting were terrible.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
TLJ is not despised by most fans.
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
The prequel trilogy was just as bad as the sequel trilogy and I will die on this fucking hill.
mastikator
Disagree. TLJ is the only worth while movie out of all the prequel and sequel movies.
Muffdiver9
Whaaaaat? TLJ is probably the worst of the sequels. It's close with ROS, but still. Revenge was at least watchable.
mastikator
Hard disagree. I think TLJ has some fine qualities that makes it one of the better Star Wars movies. But I am also not a "Star Wars fan"
xXxSTEVOxXx
Like rey's arc went from "it doesnt matter who you are or where you come from to" like intergalactic hatfields and mccoys but both are jesus
supervillin
Mayokopp
I haven't seen the second and third of the sequel but heard about it. The Force Awakens was still better than the entire prequel trilogy
AMBM2
I agree. The prequels were much worse. It also bugs me because basically everyone agreed with this at first. Everyone hated the prequels for
AMBM2
Good reason, then liked TFA, and at first liked TLJ. Then a few groups online decided TLJ wad “too sjw” and review bombed it, and suddenly
AMBM2
Everyone was looking for reasons to hate it and love the prequels. ROS was crap though, on the level of the prequels
Muffdiver9
Uh, sjw had nothing to do with TLJ sucking. Because of the damn character count I can't give a good summation of it all, but here's a few.
Muffdiver9
Butchering Luke's character and legacy, that dumbass plan on the ship, the dumbass mutiny, fucking up hyperspace combat, Rose.
NukedStar
Then hurry up and die. You're wrong
boevis
The prequels gave us way better memes. The sequels gave us, what, Ben Swolo, him yelling "More" ... that's about it
ScottishRoss
It wasn't. There some stupid childish shit in it, but there's only one universe breaking concept: midichlorians.
gandraw
The Gungans? Utterly harmless robot enemies? Shitty romance subplot? No chemistry between Obiwan and Anakin? Xanatos roulettes from Palpie?
ScottishRoss
I'm talking about the plot and the verisimilitude of the film. Even through the humour and silliness we still understood that we're in bad
ScottishRoss
Times and there's a lot at stake. What happens in ROTS? "Palpatines back", "Well this is an inconvenience, barely"
ScottishRoss
The sequel trilogy just wanted to fucking destroy every previously held belief about the SW universe. Oh Rey can heal? It must be super rare
ScottishRoss
Oh no kylo can heal too and neither were taught so it must be a thing that they could do before but the Jedi chose to be cunty about it
mardukkur
It's far worse and it's not even close. The prequel trilogy is fractally terrible, offensively racist, cartoonish, no redeeming qualities.
BlakeNewland
Honest question, why is the prequel trilogy racist?
mardukkur
What? Have you watched it? Half the aliens in it are the most base & offensive racist stereotypes possible. Jar Jar & Watto probably worst.
BlakeNewland
What races are they supposed to be and what did they do that was offensive?
cormone
I’m so sorry to do this but you walked into it
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
I knew this was coming. I would've done the same in your shoes.
cormone
Cheers :)
Skuggen
It was bad for different reasons, though.
LongDuckDong96
George Lucas tried and failed, Disney didn’t even try
xXxSTEVOxXx
More like disney tried so hard to do everything they made a nothing
DoktorWeasel
And farmed it out to different directors trying to do completely different things.
Skuggen
They just went "the first trilogy was popular, so let's just make that again but with bigger explosions."
xXxSTEVOxXx
At least the prequels had a coherent narrative arc and werent constantly stepping on its own dick trying to figure out what they were about
DoktorWeasel
The tug of war between directors really hurt the sequel trilogy. And the not having an actual plan ahead of time while sticking to a strict
DoktorWeasel
one movie per two years schedule. That last bit really hammered TROS as Abrams rushed to come up with something (the leaked concept art from
DoktorWeasel
the version that Trevorrow was working on looked like a much better movie).
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
No, the prequels just stepped on their own dick while knowing exactly what they were about.
xXxSTEVOxXx
And requels couldn't even manage that!
mardukkur
LOL coherent narrative. At no point in time do Anakin's decisions make any sense whatsoever. He's gotta become Vader, so he does.
xXxSTEVOxXx
And somehow the requels are even less coherent than that.
DoktorWeasel
It had a coherent vision, but the writing was pretty bad. Lots of illogical leaps and Anikan just goes from whiny to genocidal with little
DoktorWeasel
justification for it. Partly because his fall to the dark side was basically all stuck into one movie.
oopsIdroppedmypocketpasta
Look at it through the lens of "these people freed me from slavery and they somehow emotionally abuse me worse than my slaver"
oopsIdroppedmypocketpasta
Why wouldn't you constantly talk back and rebel against people who hold you to impossible standards?
Zamm005
Haha. Is the rest of starwars THAT bad that the prequel series is considered 'ok' these days? (I've seen pictures of space horses, so..)
Grenateh
Yes and honestly stop
Groznek
It's really not that bad. People are mostly just wearing rose-tinted glasses.
RickiestRickC137
I think the prequels were always pretty good. Especially if you watch anti-cheese versions on YouTube.
Keru
I understand I'm a minority here, but The Last Jedi being a giant dickfinger salute at the worst shitheaded fans was a good thing.
nalananda
Yep, they have problems, but at least the story is salvageable
Kangarou
They're good "in-the-moment", but when you THINK about them for even five seconds, the logic/plot/characters are absolutely terrible.
GrimFinn
I think the overall story arc is great. It's not often you see the origin story of not only the villain, but an entire tyranny. Trade...
GrimFinn
...blockade escalated into war, which is used as an excuse to bring about martial law, build an army and grab absolute power, all done by...
GrimFinn
...manipulating a democratic rule to VOTE for you. That's an AMAZING villain. Too bad the storyTELLING isn't nearly up to par so not many...
GrimFinn
... people even recognize how layered the underlying story is.
burtgummersurvivalist
I recently rewatched the prequels. They were a lot better than I remember. Still not as good as the originals (no where close) but not bad.
mardukkur
No, the sequels are MUCH better than the prequels. It's just that the age demo for this site is all people who were kids 4 the prequels.
JustAPileOfCats
Star Wars is a kids' movie series anyway, so idk what you expected.
SecondAccountforDoingOtherShit
But theyre screwing up the hyperspace physics (which i suddenly care about) in my sword fighting space wizard movie! Those little details 1/
SecondAccountforDoingOtherShit
Are all I have! They make my love of the originals more legitimate. And give me a place to criticize the new ones from without having to 2/3
SecondAccountforDoingOtherShit
Engage with the changes in storytelling that have happened since. Without strict adherence to these rules made by different creators over 3/
xdeepsearch
I liked the new star wars movies,just entertainment - in my opinion the star wars fan base is insanely critical, but I'm a Trekkie so..
SaturnineCult
If you just pretend you can't see or hear Jar Jar, then i guess they're okay.
Inmate45
No. Seriously, other than Rise of Skywalker, which is legit hot trash, I would rate the other 5 between mediocre and somewhat acceptable.
ilikepancakesyay
Yeah is everyone just cool with jar jar now? You can’t just pretend he’s not there.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
The internet forgets that meme magic (which the prequels have in spades) isn't a substitute for "good".
TheBigBadBonerBiter
...but also yes, I'd watch the prequel trilogy any day of the week over the sequel trilogy.
ireplywithtwinpeaks
EmptyGlassBottle
If you watch thinking JarJar is actually Sith, it's more tolerable. I have a hard time staying awake for Ep. II.
ermagerditsreyerngerslen
Yeah, but I think a lot of people in my age group llok back at the prequels fondly nowadays
OverpricedCrayon
What age group is that?
ermagerditsreyerngerslen
Well I'm 21 next month, so attack of the clones, revenge of the sith and the clone wars TV show(s) were my introduction to sw
OverpricedCrayon
I guess that makes you gen Z?
ermagerditsreyerngerslen
Yep, yet too young to be a nineties kid, too old to be on tik tok
PoorSucker
Think they "forgot" Jar-Jar
Tr1gg3rH4ppy
Me-sa always loved Jar Jar.
Rahava
Not really its more of a "christ those were bad but at least camp-y" and not just "christ this is bad"
ermagerditsreyerngerslen
Pus I find that while there are a lot of problems with the prequels I can still find a lot to enjoy in them
Zamm005
The power of nostalgia! Strong stuff!.. I hope political parties don't work out how to harness that nostalg.... Oh.
Perthlad
I member!
ForbinDallas
Rose colored glasses
Klaaism
The last two movies were so bad, only baby yoda in Mandalorian could save the franchise
adiving
It's starwars.. they could probably tape kenobi looking at a glass of water for a hour and release it and make millions.
Spiderbubble
Prequels are far better because even if not perfect, they told a whole story. Sequel trilogy makes no fucking sense.
GrimFinn
That is by far the biggest problem. As soon as they revived Palpatine OFF SCREEN in the OPENING CRAWL instead of continuing the previous...
GrimFinn
...films' storyline in any way, I knew we were in for an atrocious garbage fire of a film.
afatrollofmyown
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" was all the exposition needed, apparently. Yeah it's shitbag story telling.
DoktorWeasel
The prequels are still shit, it's just the people who grew up with them have a fondness. In 20 years I expect there to be more sequel fans.
afatrollofmyown
The prequels are absolute shit, they're more a guideline to the story. Clone Wars is the meat around that armature.
JustAPileOfCats
You mean the films' target audience, who enjoyed the films immensely, still enjoys them? What a shocking revelation.
Skuggen
If you rewatch them, and just fast-forward whenever someone looks like they're going to say something, they're alright!
SpecialContainmentProcedures
I'm not sure if you're referring to the sequel trilogy or the prequel trilogy... but yeah
aloharamada
So like, the Topher Grace fancut?
Kerzyan
Revenge of the sith is a masterpiece
DoctorAnimalCannibalPizza
Padme died of sad. "Masterpiece"
EwokDude
Skuggen
AMBM2
Honestly I think a lot of the hate for TLJ was political, then sort of forced. Basically a few groups online organized review bombs of if
Gosuamakenatek
I saw a guy on here say he walked out of the movie cause Holdo was a "condescending sjw". That shaped my opinion on a lot of TLJ haters.
AMBM2
There were people literally admitting to review bombing it over supposed “sjw politics.” Thst brought it from having a high audience
AMBM2
And critic score on rotten tomatoes to high critic but low audience, and everyone tried to justify it since
Gosuamakenatek
Exactly, that's why the actual specifics of their criticism is always incredibly small and nitpicky. Shit you could do with the OT as well.
windsingr
No, they were legit bad. The pacing, the character work, the internal and external inconsistencies, the bad "jokes," Canto Bite... Awful.
Gosuamakenatek
Fanboys say a lot of vague shit about "bad writing" but then just bitch endlessly about the implications of hyperspace crashes.
AMBM2
Issues with any? All were decent IMO, far better then the prequels
LootenetDan
Nah, it was pretty bad. 2/3 of the main plotlines were unwatchable nonsense (Poe's and Fin's)
AMBM2
I liked both. They were fun and exciting, and worked well with the characters. Neither made it as bad as the prequels
JustAPileOfCats
They were perfectly fine and you don't know what you're talking about.
Gosuamakenatek
Maybe you just didn't get it?
AMBM2
And insisted it was full of “sjw themesLc Then it became popular to hate. The prequels only started getting positive attention afterward
Gosuamakenatek
I've literally seen SW fans defending the prequels in hindsight cause they weren't "full of politics" I wish I was kidding.
GrimFinn
Excuse me what the fuck? You mean the trilogy that's all about trade blockade negotiations and a scheming villain manipulating a...
GrimFinn
...democratic senate to vote for martial law and elect him chancellor doesn't have politics in it? SMH
AMBM2
Yep. Including btw, the people who made that image. 90% sure anyway, I saw it years ago on 9gag and that was the explanation, all politicos
Gosuamakenatek
Right, as opposed to all other Star Wars movies, which have ZERO politics whatsoever!
JustAPileOfCats
There's a vocal minority out there who are determined to hate anything new in Star Wars. Prequels are fine, too, tbh.
SouperScott
As far as ROTS goes, I don't think it's a minority.
JustAPileOfCats
It's always a minority when it comes to Star Wars hate. r/saltierthancrait is the place such hate belongs.
SouperScott
I guess I've only met members of the minority, I personally haven't met anyone who really enjoyed Rise
JustAPileOfCats
Now you have. :)
TheTechDweller
Maybe there's a small group hating everything new, but most of what disney releases is boring hypocritical shite made to make the most money
TheTechDweller
Tons of new star wars content that's great, fallen order was pretty fantastic, battlefront 2 has improved to a good state
JustAPileOfCats
I don't like Disney as a company, but I have long since made the decision to take what Star Wars I can get and enjoy it as much as I can.
TheTechDweller
I'll take it since it's all we have, but I don't have to like it if it's bad.
flufflogic
I think people forget how bad prequels are. TFA was a kids movie, lacking depth, TLJ is divisive, and TROS just forgets the others exist.
Grenateh
Yea. No
GrimFinn
I can't believe some people actually think TROS was better than TLJ. I mean none of the new trilogy films are GOOD, but TROS was ATROCIOUS.
Grenateh
It was better than tlj
lbargomancer
Primarily because the trilogy's lack of creative direction from start to finish required impossible gymnastics to form a cohesive story >
lbargomancer
After Johnson gutted every semblance of a set-up in TFA. Ep IX was never likely to be amazing, if TFA is anything to go by, >
lbargomancer
But TLJ was an exercise is actively making it worse.
lbargomancer
*set-up FROM TFA.
Keairan
TLJ decided to break the physics of the universe in such a way that every space battle and superweapon seems stupid in light of it.
Gosuamakenatek
In order for it to "break the physics" they would have to say at some point that it's impossible to do that, when did they say that?
AMBM2
How? I don’t see that at all
LootenetDan
For one, if the Holdo defense were that effective, should be a pretty common maneuver, maybe with an autopilot setting.
AMBM2
If you crash a war ship today into another war ship both would probably sink or be damaged. Why isn’t it common? She needed to sarcrifixe
Keairan
Relativistic kill vehicles are a 1-hit kill on anything. Why bother with a death star or a space battle when you can just RKV?
AMBM2
No. One giant space frigate smashed into another simmilar sized vessel destroyed it. Smaller ones get smashed. The same applies today:
daromander
It doesn't really break the universe though. Hyperspace doesn't just ignore the "normal" dimension.
PunnyDragon
But that is literally how hyperspace has to work otherwise the Star Wars would be nothing but hyperspace missiles wiping out planets.
mastikator
In SW: A New Hope Han Solo explains that FTL navigation is important because you don't want to crash into an asteroid.
PunnyDragon
Even as late as Rebels where they reintroduced the interdictor cruiser, that is how it worked, because anything else breaks everything.
TheSunless
You mean, expensive hyperspace missiles making craters the size of the missile. The Raddus did a slicey thing, not a big boom.
mardukkur
"Hyperspace crashes ruin Star Wars but X-Wing's banking turns look cool and Midichlorians are fine."
Keairan
Because it raises the question: why didn't the empire just stick a hyperdrive on an asteroid? Why didn't the rebellion destroy the Death (1)
AMBM2
No it doesn’t. The scene shows that a giant vessel crashing into a simmilar sized vessel destroys both. The same is true today, doesn’t
Keairan
Stars with a hyperdrive vehicle? There is no satisfactory answers to those questions in light of TLJ.
Zeigabibblez
TLJ is a sharp left turn off a cliff into an ocean of poor decisions and bad character writing, divisive is an offensive understatement
Gosuamakenatek
Why, cause some butthurt fanboys won't stop crying about it? Doesn't mean tons of people didn't like it.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
I'll be honest, I felt that way with TFA. Like, it systematically destroyed everything the OT heroes fought for. I'm confused why people >
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
blame TLJ for that. Leia lost the Republic she fought for. Han ran away from his family to return to smuggling. And Luke, Mr. Face Down My >
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Father I Have The Responsibility. Lost his new Jedi Order and then... ran away like a coward with a stupid map quest to find him.
AMBM2
TLJ was fine. It tried to be a bit different and was a good movie, and better then the prequels. Really it was ROS that ruined the sequels.
mardukkur
100% this.
Zeigabibblez
1) a solid 40 minutes of TLJ was a Casino planet that actively subtracted from the plot, it only further enforced that the main plot was so
Zeigabibblez
2) unimportant that the rest of the galaxy wasn't even affected by the recent super weapon attack and destruction of the republio/rebellion