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Deletingmypastandfuture
It really Disneys fault they got extra greedy, I think Disney needs to comeback to the table with a fair deal.
Metalgearslade
Grace Randolph on Beyond the Trailer breaks the whole thing down really well but TL;DR Disney swings it dick, Sony slams the door on it.
treble0110
fun fact: sony could’ve had the movie rights to the whole mcu, but instead they only bought spiderman rights, they regret that now.
EhIsForCanehdians
Both companies are playing hardball. Neither would allow so much money go to waste if it came to it.
Clockworkdancerobot
Waiting for Sony to announce the next three reboots in 2020, 2021, and 2021 Q2.
Whyareyoudoingthis
Anything that takes money from Disney bullshit is a good thing for me.
pepelantern2718
Why is it never Disney's fault? When Disney canceled Netflix Marvel shows, people started blaming Netflix. Now they are asking 50% from sony
Clockworkdancerobot
We can blame them both.
TwelveMotionJeweledSkull
Honestly, I think the number of Spider-Man reboots is hilarious already, so id like to see the joke continue
MyParanoidSide
Damn it! How many times am I going to have watch uncle Ben die?
LooseyGooseyBrett
There needs to be a law that reboots have to be at least 10 years after the most recent film.
TerrenceBottcher
Should be a law about treating humans like humans. Got bigger fish to fry
smackajaweea
I think there are a bunch of laws for that the problem is the morals of those enforcing the laws
SorrySleeping
Too bad the law (contract) says Sony has to keep making reboots before that or the they lose the license to Spidey.
smackajaweea
Can't we just have Congress pass an injunction that Spiderman be returned to the original copyright holder
actualbeauquet
*cries in uncle ben*
Happylilpie
That poor man he gonna die so many times...
Corbenic
They just cut their losses and have him played by Sean bean
BadDragon1193
I, honestly, enjoyed the Amazing Spider-Man films, but Tom is perfect.
rp19well
Yea its not bad. But i wouldn't pay to watch
SAFireStorm
They reboot the movies multiple times but keep Tom
valen00
Aunt may is going to be an 18 year old supermodel by the end of that.
JdWllmsn
Your dad’s sister who’s younger than you is your aunt. Totally possible and would hate to see it. 5/7 thing not to do
Naid1233
"Hey people didnt like when we made MJ different. Let's just merge Aunt May and MJ in one Character"
JdWllmsn
Still better than confident supermodel Peter Parker in my opinion
alexburgers
Morty gets what he wished for after all..
Omnipotence0
Solid Joke
BulkSausage
HEXADECIMAL
Everyone is hating on Sony, lets wait for the next movies and see how good they are first.
MrCoolRanch10123
Ima miss him
reineseele
we will get another movie with him at least. look at the bright side or else...
Brucecori2
We will? I'm concerned about the bomb that was dropped at FFH's credit scene and I want closure!
reineseele
they will leave the mcu. but holland will still be spidey for at least one movie. maybe two i guess.
anyofmany
I wonder if they could use him as a new Ironman with being spiderman just his origin- don't know what content is actually protected
illegalcheez
I assume names and characters protected by default. Marvel got to use Peter Parker and May, but went for Michelle and Ned Lee and Stark-wank
Taktical1
Poor spiderman. Forever cursed by Sony to never make a proper and complete trilogy.
IHaveAMemeForThis
Its ok. He can always be night monkey
kojenk
westPAguy
kojenk
TeddyWooWoos
I can't imagine Disney letting Sony take it's ball (Marvel's flagship character) and go on home. 1/2
TeddyWooWoos
That being said, Marvel's flagship character will thrive only under the continued symbiosis of Sony/Disney.
Gloriously
The multiverse was bad ass and I cant wait for the sequel.
WoahMyDudeThatsCrazy
Idk, spiderverse was amazing but I worry that Sony is going to fuck it up since the first one was such a success
MajesticKaijuPanda
The multiverse also had help for Disney/Marvel when it came to the writing for the movie Sony going all on their own is a bad idea instead..
MajesticKaijuPanda
.. of saying no they should have done business and offered a counter offer to the 50/50
AsUpSoBelow
I thought you wrote it was bad and was about to launch an imgur comment styled essay at you.
IWasACatAllAlong
It was bad (No it wasn't), but I wanna see this pretend essay anyway.
AsUpSoBelow
It would mostly involve me shitting on marvel and Disney for churning out all those generic movies and how this was a fresh breath of air.
CeeSilver
Completely agree
jimmythehat1
They could have access to a much larger multiverse if they played ball.
mezz82531
Not really, only what marvel would let them use for what they had planned, it wouldnt be all open for whatever
capngoat
Sony and DC should stick to their animation/cartoon superhero movies. They've repeatedly shown they can't do live action movies.
pepelantern2718
Meh I'd watch suicide squad and TASM over boring homecoming. Disney just show repetitive stuff. Far from home was an improvement though.
capngoat
But their animation movies are amazing! Stick to that. Let Marvel/Disney work with actual humans, and focus on amazing voice actors.
UncommonSense101
DC cant do live action movies... Explains the Dark Knight Trilogy's success... And Wonder Woman... And Shazam...
capngoat
Dark Knight trilogy and Wonder Woman were fantastic movies but the exception. I know nothing about Shazam as it didn’t interest me.
capngoat
But: Literally any other Batman movie, Suicide Squad, any Superman movie, Green Lantern, Justice League, etc were trash.
capngoat
I’m not having much hope for the Joke movie. Would be nice to have a good DC live action movie after a while again though.
njrk97
Sony should just focus on Miles and let Marvel getting doing what their doing with Peter.
dovebair
It's not as cut & dry as who it belongs to. They both have to agree for a project to move forward.
BYERE
That’s what I don’t get about it. Sony could do a live action Miles Morales, then later have a multiverse crossover between him and Peter
BYERE
Like a live-action version of Enter the Spider-verse
CodeChimpin
Understand, these companies are not “fans”, they want to make money. And their mentality is that guarding their rights makes more of that.
BYERE
I understand that, but think about it. The 3rd SM movie ends with Tom getting pulled into the multiverse, landing in the Venom universe (1)
bemxuu
I thought that's where FFH was taking us: introduction of a second Spiderman.
BYERE
If the deal falls through, that may be the case for the 3rd movie. Either as organic introduction, or a reboot
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
They kinda were but then Disney/Marvel asked for an even bigger percentage of the character they don’t own and Sony said nope.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
They do own the character, they just don't own the movie rights.
Markamanic
Or any rights other than comic books for that matter.
confusingmaze
Toys?
YouBeTrollin
Even bigger than 5%? At least that's what I've heard.
CyrilConnolly
They wanted 50% of the revenue. They might have taken notes from Thanos on that one.
ThePunisherJB3
Aww snap
Sh3llShock3r
Sony offered 5%, Disney countered with 50%
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brandsilven
It was a new deal. Disney starts by saying "Lets go 50/50." Sony goes "I know we did great, but lets not change it at all from the (1/?)
Lorak84
The13thDude
Now it’ll never be :’(
RhaegarJ
50 % of a watermelon is more than 100 % of a grape. #sharktank
holeinthepall
Whoever wins, we lose.
PaintYourWagon
I disagree, I did not care for the direction MCU spidey was going and Phase 4 is looking fairly lack luster.
holeinthepall
Not really talking about the content and more about two media giants fighting over IP and observer opinion of copyright law.
PaintYourWagon
Yeah but for all I care Disney can keep all orignial aspects of Peter Holland; Tony heir, young aunt may, 'MJ', etc.
6Oh4
The two not so good spidermans they made, made as much as GOTG. People really don't get how any of this works. The crying is hilarious.
6Oh4
The Garfield ones. The two with Holland have done very well.
Flunkedy
Precisely Spiderman 2002 was also the third highest grossing film ever when it came out, it's made sony a lot of money.
vanpoopsing
And you think that's going to happen again after people got a good spiderman thats part of a massive universe, then had it taken away?
6Oh4
Not really. The spiderman franchise will always be fine without the mcu stuff. It's always made money and the Garfield ones also made bank.
PaintYourWagon
Yes because they got an even better spiderman with Into the Spiderverse that can be opened up into it's own franchise.
error404usernotfound
Fuck Disney. They are the ones being unreasonable here, and are using YOU the fans to create public outcry and bad publicity to make 1/2
error404usernotfound
Sony play ball. They had a deal, Disney wanted 50% and sony counter offered and Disney refused. Blame Disney and their greed 2/2
MOSIA
Good. Dissolve the growing Disney Monopoly. Film industry will be healthier and more viable when there isn't one Corp owning all the work.
CarrieUnderboob
Sony will do fine. Weird how people support Disney always screwing partners and stealing content. Sony still has all the Spidey characters
pepelantern2718
Exactly. It's the same when people started blaming Netflix while it was Disney that cancelled the shows.
NoCreativity3
Honestly, Disney doesn't need to own everything.
Madventure
Right it's "stupid" but if disney wants 50% in their new deal and a horrible movie only makes 650 million for sony they still win
Invyggle
650 mill? That's like 50 to a 100 mill profit. That's not even close to a win.
PressMyButtonsBaby
I'd call 50mil a win
Invyggle
It wasn't for Sony. Amazing spider 2 only made 70m and they shut down a 3rd.
ShotGaming
It's always stunning when people who couldn't rub together a fraction of a million dollars call multiple millions nothing
SirComsalot
Not if you look at "far from home" that's made 1.1 billion so far and is still going and has made much more than "homecoming"
PaintYourWagon
Yes because it was coming off of Endgame and considered an 'epilogue', it benefited greatly from the endgame hype train.
MagicZipper
Sure, Sony may win. But we all lose.
Doumdidoum
We do not matter. We're still a small part of the pie. There are hordes of kids waiting for the next spiderman. They are the prize.
ihateimgurffs
But Sony wins.
thexian
I like marvel.. But holy shit does MCU have the cringiest fucking fans making the worst memes.
Ghalagor
Then make better memes!
Magus25
Why not reboot the fantastic 4 for the 3rd time while they're at it. That's gone so well for them.
froginapot
That is FOX. You sound like the idiots on twitter raging at Sony right now. At least get your facts straight lol.
shrike2214
But it was Disney who wanted more from the deal, Sony were happy to stick to what they had. I feel like Disney are going to ruin MCU in P4
froginapot
Just like how they ruined Netflix Marvel series. Still unhappy about that.
clipper01745
it sounds like its Disney but once you figure out the actual deal you can see why Disney wanted more but instead of working a deal out (1)
clipper01745
sony walked out and in doing so will shoot them selves in the foot big time. would it of hurt sony to of offered more then 5% considering (2
clipper01745
the money the MCU has made for Sony by allowing them a seat at the MCU table. Compare sonys spider man movies to the MCU spider man movies
Valondra
More than 5%for their work? Wouldn't you?
froginapot
Disney got to have Spidey in Avengers and CW which Disney profit greatly from. They got 100% of merch profit which is often greater.
shrike2214
True enough, but they have all other franchise, MCU brought Spiderman in for the fans not for the money, Disney killed that.
Krystallombardi24
Right Disney literally did all the work only got payed 5% of the opening weekend they wanted more
froginapot
Everybody is fixated on that 5% yet ignore all other profits lol
froginapot
Also they didnt do all the work. Sony did.
goodisunpopular
Disney did all the work and was only getting 5%. All they wanted was a 50/50 split.
froginapot
Disney didnt do all the work
Inarticulated
"All they wanted" was a 50/50 split on all future Spider-Man movies (Even those made by Sony) if I read the article correctly
goodisunpopular
That's because Disney had planned on helping to make the sequels to Venom and Spiderverse if I read the article correctly
froginapot
You do realize Sony made GOOD spidey movies without Disney's "help" right?
Camelspotting
I didn't know either but Homecoming and Far from Home were all Sony.
goodisunpopular
Nope. 100% wrong. Look them up, Both Holland movies were made by Marvel Studios (owned by Disney) then *distributed* by Sony.
froginapot
Columbia Pictures is Sony dude.
Camelspotting
I just did obviously. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Homecoming
AsUpSoBelow
Hot take: into the spiderverse was the best and most original superhero movie to come out these past years.
The13thDude
Except for the wonky FPS that hurts my eyes
kojenk
The team and talent are responsible for that. If sony execs and marketing interfere, they will fuck up that spiderman too.
AsUpSoBelow
They can't fuck it up. The movie is already out and good. I don't give a damn about sequels or whatever they'll get out of dead horses.
svoka
This. I loved it. Also, The Boys. But that is 18+
PaintYourWagon
I would argue but taste is subjective, regardless I agree Sony has a golden goose with a SV franchise and without Disney leeching it.
smackajaweea
I thought Disney got no profits from spiderverse
PaintYourWagon
Exactly, which is why Sony would want to focus their efforts there I would assume
smackajaweea
They could have done so whole letting Disney continue with Tom Holland as Spiderman tho they didn't need to cut the deal
PaintYourWagon
Why do that when they could let things cool a bit and reboot? Spider-Man is consistently profitable, they dont NEED disney
slamorama
It's literally the best Spiderman movie. The others lagged and dragged and floundered along.
cobragrunt
Disney is requesting 50/50 on all solo spider-man movies from Sony, Sony currently gets 93% of sales while Disney owns merchandising. 1/
cobragrunt
/2 Disney is being greedy here.
Extremefear
MCU:
HankHell2400
I mean Venom fucking sucked, but it still made 700 million dollars. Sony wants to do SOMEthing right aside from their video game department.
Invyggle
No. It made 247M still more than 3 times their last spidey movie but not 700M.
ps238principal
Into the Spider-Verse did well, but I'm curious if the execs will find a way to ruin the eventual sequel or not.
PaintYourWagon
*Sequels, they could open up each individual story (Parker B, Gwen, Miles, Ham, etc) hire decent directors and make a franchise of it.
smackajaweea
For the love of Christ I just hope they get rid of the pig and pennie they had no real reason to be in the film anyways
PaintYourWagon
I kinda liked the Pig but im also a big John Mulaney fan, agree Pennie added nothing
PorneliusHubertII
This was my first reaction. Upon researching it is actually Disney being greedy.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
I guess you didn't do much research then.
Rewston
It's not Sonys fault, it is the greed of Disney wanting 50-50 of the profits, but they did help make Sonys highest-grossing film of all time
pepelantern2718
It's the same when people started blaming Netflix while it was Disney that cancelled the shows.
mormacil
Disney wanted to go from taking a cut to the profits to a 50/50 production, an equal partnership. They didn't just demand more money.
Rewston
Really? Ok so I misunderstood then, thanks :>
Holinyx05
Just Announced: Will Smith to play Peter Parker in new movies
froginapot
Will Smith as old gritty jaded Morales in the future.
GeoffFromAccounting
Everything I've read says that Tom Holland will still be Spiderman in the movies that Sony does
Monfreid
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Spiralin
He’s joking
GeoffFromAccounting
loyboys215
Just wait, Sony will be bought out by Disney soon enough
PaintYourWagon
Extremely likely, Disney knows that Parker is the flagship of Phase 4
LychFinderGeneral
One can only hope
froginapot
Why would you hope for Disney's monopoly on entertainment media?
LychFinderGeneral
Not monopoly. Just Sony. I hate Sony
MonetaryPolicyAct1913
But you like Disney? Who supports racism and mob mentality?
LychFinderGeneral
loyboys215
They are an inside agent
TeddyWooWoos
Pretty much. They will fail. Again.
pepelantern2718
Why is it never Disney's fault? When Disney canceled Netflix Marvel shows, people started blaming Netflix. Now they are asking 50% from sony
SephiRothIRA
I think it’s more about keeping the license alive than actually making good movies. Maybe not, but it’s more business than creativity.
JudgeVegas
Their Spiderman movies have been quite successful so far.
HungLikeHorseFly
700m+ is apparently a failure I guess.
pepelantern2718
But antman's 600 million is a massive hit. Lmao
clucja1
Not one of them failed financially. They all made a ton of money.
CLearyMcCarthy
ASM 2 is widely believed to not have broken even on its marketing campaign.
clucja1
Looks like Ass to Mouth. Anyways ASM2 made 709 Million. Which results in a net profit of 70 million. This takes into acct, all expenses.
clucja1
Which takes into account marketing, cost of the movie, and the theatres cut. While not as much as other Spiderman movies still a good profit
CLearyMcCarthy
IF those numbers are accurate (a source would be nice), 70 million is objectively not worth the opportunity cost to a company like Sony.
attofreak
What about the MCU? Spider-man was like the heir apparent of Tony Stark. This screws up MCU storyline.
clucja1
This is what im trying to tell people. Disney needs Spider-Man more than Sony needs Disney's help right now.
flyingmonkeystick
Good. I don’t like how Disney is becoming a monopoly in the entertainment business.
Doumdidoum
When will you learn the lesson? They don't care about the nerds and the neckbeards, especially about their opinions.
Foamythesquirrel
True. True. Except Disney will just buy Sony first and then stream Disney + and hulu exclusively on the Playstation 5.
froginapot
Some people really want Disney to buy Sony without thinking of repercussions of Disney monopolizing on entertainment media.
CarrieUnderboob
Scary how many people on imgur want Disney to keep buying up everything, controlling most of the content we take in and thus controlling us.
PressMyButtonsBaby
I volunteer as tribute!
archercartridge
Disney would likely only purchase Sony Studios, the entire company would be way too much $$
Manieman
Disney is worth 240b and Sony is 70b or something idk how it works
ProphetOfPhil
Idk our Disney overlords are very rich...
Mechwarrior719
You underestimate how much money The Mouse has.
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
You underestimate how big Sony is.
DoubleSecretAgent
Yeah, they got least like, a million dollars
froginapot
Spiderman movies never failed commercially. And a lot of them were critically acclaimed.
Zefram86
Have you seen the Tobey Maguire Spiderman Movies? Because from your comment I feel like you haven't...
PassionateIndifference
Only two were considered good by the standards of the time and even the first one has not aged well
PassionateIndifference
I think you're mixing critically and financially up
Eonymia
I think you have some reading comprehension trouble
smackajaweea
Actually all the Sony Spiderman's made loads of money and all the ones except for the amazing Spiderman were great
DoorCellar
How? He made two separate statements? One about financial success the other about critical success.
PassionateIndifference
To be fair, I did mix those statements, still waking up. He implied most of them were critical success while only 2/5 are considered good.
DoorCellar
No he didn't. You inferred that. He simply said that a lot of them were. That's not the same as a majority.
shokomann
The first Spiderman movie with Tobey Maguire was pretty dope and a success...the second was ok...
clucja1
Every Spiderman movie was a success. But had varying degrees of quality.
froginapot
It started the whole super heroes genre to mainstream media. Ppl seem to forget that Sony made GOOD spiderman movies before MCU lol
pepelantern2718
Also MCU's homecoming is trash. I'd watch TASM over that shit. Far from home was an improvement though
ToxicSocks
They were better than anything we had before. But have you watched those movies lately? I find them really hard to watch.
clucja1
Yes. I enjoy the first Spiderman and both Amazing SpiderMans. Can't Stand 2 and 3.
smackajaweea
Man your the minority the amazing Spiderman's were such bad movies
froginapot
You gotta consider the fact that they laid the groundwork for what we have today.
Primusautobot5
Disney isn't giving them fair amount of money, don't you guys know about Disney and is practices.
TheSwedishCryptid
Disney had like 5% before now they want 50%
DrunkBearsFight91
I'm pretty sure they currently were 50/50 but Don't wanted then to go back to 5% and they said no, so Don't took Spiderman away. I believe
clucja1
Your wrong. Disney only gets 5 percent of day 1 sales. Which is more than originally stated. Now they want half.
DrunkBearsFight91
Hmm I feel like your missing some pieces, but still kind being blunt about it.
DrunkBearsFight91
Also you do know that it's Sony's right to the character and they paid for every cent to make the movie and then Disney just shit on them
archercartridge
These are Sony movies, Disney hasnt made anything off of Far From Home and Homecoming. FFH's $1b goes right into Sonys pockets
djml9
Disney gets 5% day 1 sales for effectively no investment.
pepelantern2718
Its not like Disney was making spider man films with THEIR money. Its the same when people blamed Netflix when Disney cancelled marvel shows
clucja1
Sony also gets 0 dollars from Avengers movies despite them owning a character Disney uses in them.
smackajaweea
Well in the past two major mcu movies his part has been pretty negligeble
RaginCanadjun
Sony doesn't get a dime of any related merchandise though so that $1b is it, anything extra goes straight to Disney.
NyQuilDaydream
serpx
Marvel has merchandise rights. Sony has movie rights. I believe Dis got 5%, the right to use spiderman in avengers, but provided a
serpx
Creative director from marvel to write. After all the success Disney wanted to negotiate paying 50% of funding and getting 50% of profit.
RaginCanadjun
Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for Marvel getting all their film rights back. Nobody else has managed to do them much justice.
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
There's a DC joke in there somewhere with justice
DoorCellar
I'd say Sony is doing a pretty good job... Like we'd not be having this conversation otherwise.
Invyggle
The movie goes on Sony's books so it's other way around if that's the case
Papafern
Except all the merch goes to Disney, which is worth more than the films.
Invyggle
True. It has nothing to do with the topic, but it's true.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Guess they should have negotiated merch sales better then. It's 100% their fault for losing on those profits
clucja1
Hence why a standoff. You say negotiate better. What do you think Sony is doing. Disney can't touch Spiderman without Sony. It's on Disney.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Like "we currently own this IP, and we're willing to let you use it for 75% of merch sale profit. Take it or leave it"
fakeirish
Everyone blaming Sony, Disney literally changed the deal and we don't know the full extent of what they asked. Also origin of said story?
thegreatwhiteblackartblackestmaster
All Disney wanted to change from the current deal was too have Sony finance half of the Spiderman movies.
fakeirish
I'm just saying Disney probably leaked said story to one of their own media companies to makes themselves in better light.
QuantumCanOpener
First article was "leaked" by Sony's favorite reporter (the Sony hacked emails) and is full of flattery toward the company.
OpieCunningham
Whyareyoudoingthis
Disney is a piece of shit company and everyone is blinded by their bullshit feel good parent murdering stories. Sony is just Playstation.
Deadsyy
confused by the last statement there.
Whyareyoudoingthis
The biggest moneymaker Sony has is Playstation. Disney is like payup if you want in the big leagues hoe. Sony was like :( no.
xj4low
It was the highest grossing movie Sony has made in years. Of course Disney wants more of the pie.
rophiandis
Disney has more money than God and still has us all out here negotiating deals on their behalf
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
NO, enough origin stories!!
FatNlazy
It’s a shame home Hollywood only really cares about money and not about making good quality movies.
Whyareyoudoingthis
Netflix is beating them at their game and you could see it when Steven Shpealberg daid Netflix doesn't belong in their awards ceremonies.
Primusautobot5
I know Sony isn't the bad guy in this stage, it's Disney
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Disney is the bad guy for wanting more than 5% after making their IP good again? lol ok.
avidatheist
Sony made Homecoming and Far From Home.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Wouldn't have without the MCU so...
avidatheist
Yeah because just being in the MCU is what makes those two movies good.
bigassdolphin
Can't blame Sony for not wanting to get Cloud City'd.
mattihase
They have altered the deal, pray they do not alter it again.
wlfman
was going to comment this if no one else did, bravo
gablestout
pepelantern2718
Same way how people blamed Netflix for cancelling marvel shows while it was Disney's doing.
Steffychuuuu
Weren’t Disney supposed to take full control if Spidey took 1 billion?! FFH did 1.1 billion, this deal seems fair.
ThePotatoBandit
the billion dollar mark was to determine whether disney holds onto the reigns for the next movie or if they hand them over to Sony.
PorneliusHubertII
No. If spidey didnt hot 1b then sony could back out of contract.
justsayingsomething
Can't say I heard that before.
Steffychuuuu
I was reading up on the original & if both solo movies failed Disney would move on & Sony keeps it, but if one hit 1 bill they get control.
PorneliusHubertII
Disney wands 50% over the current 5%. Imo its Disney's universe making spiderman worth $1b but sony does have rights.
Whyareyoudoingthis
I guess if you like bad partnership and like to promote the scummy compamy that IS Disney sure.
PorneliusHubertII
I dont like disney buying everything and k dont think they deserve 50%. I do think that their contribution to the spiderverse is worth more
PorneliusHubertII
Than 5% though. I think these movies make enough money for both companies to profit heavily and that both are going to ruin a good thing ove
PorneliusHubertII
r greedy buisness tactics.
froginapot
You are forgetting to mention that Disney has 100% profit off merch and all other MCU movies with Spidey in them.
PorneliusHubertII
Didnt really think I needed to.
froginapot
It is significant amount of profit that Disney gets from a Sony's IP. If the new deal was 50/50 on merch also then sure it is fair.
TheS4ndm4n
Disney asked for a 50/50 cost and profit split. Current deal = 0 cost and 5% profit + merchandising.
INoLongerCareBoutThisName
What? I would take that deal! They’re offering them partnership basically. If I had the money I would do that for sure
RedVsBlue
Plus wanted right sharing inclusion to other characters like Spider Gwen.
coffeeismyfriend
☝️ didn’t know that
easterr0x
Sony gets absolutely nothing from merchandising, which is a fuckton of money that Marvel gets. Really, the deal makes 0 sense for Sony.
Ryanator50
Oh well, Disney will have to just add them to the gauntlet then...
Jackpot123
50/50 is the least Sony could do... Spider-Man WAS marvels character, Sony makes free money off of this exposure anyway. I don’t get it.
froginapot
Spiderman under Sony did well BEFORE Disney. It is not free money. Spidey movies were made primarily by Sony. They dont need exposure.
Jackpot123
Well not so much exposure, but if marvel does all the work and gives them half, that’s a lot. Also they just keep rebooting now.
froginapot
They didnt do all the work. Sony did. Sony wrote direct and casted Tom Holland.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
What about the X-Men?
froginapot
That is Fox
spandexlurch
Disney bought all of Fox's movie properties.
froginapot
I still hope we get avengers vs x men in cinema one day. The dream
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
What about Onslaught?
VDarksteel
That arc was horrible though...
koops
Cost profit split doesn’t seem that bad. There had got to be some corporate spin that makes this a bad deal for Sony right?
Izanami95
Sony bought the rights and Disney is being greedy and trying to make money off of a brand that doesn't belong to them.
MofuAwake
Merchandising from Spiderman generate more than 1 billion a year, going 50/50+merchandising to Disney makes them gain way more than Sony 1/2
MofuAwake
And Disney had used Spiderman for other movies where Sony didn't got any money, the new deal it's bad for Sony, the actual good for both 2/2
TheMuadib
Disney owns all right to merch so it more a deal in favor of Disney.
ImAkillerCookie
I mean 50 instead 95% profit on films that gross near billions sounds like a pretty bad deal.
koops
They make the less profitable films though. They were getting 95% of amazing Spider-Man 2 ~ $394m vs far from home @ 50% ~ 470m. 50% wins.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Deal started with Tom Holland, AS2 was 100%, FFH was at 95%, why would they want to lose 45% revenue and increase costs? Disney got greedy.
HedonistBeard
Which is a lot, but 100% of $375M (spider-verse) gives them way more freedom for not much less.
BerticusFlamebearer
Cost has been significantly less than profit to this point. The 50/50 split would be extremely good for Disney with no real benefit for Sony
koops
Benefit for Sony is getting a marvel studios produced spidey movie vs what ever the fuck produced amazing spider man.95% of a shit sandwich
Nostradamuswaswrong
Both still made over 700M.
WarlockSniper
Would depend, if Sony is also getting into the merchandising profits. That is where most of the money comes from, ask George Lucas.
PhillyDjonk
Disney gets all the merch profits off of spider-man
jlill09
Let’s take Homecoming. It cost 175 million to make. But grossed 880 at box office. Under old deal, Sony made 844(gross -5%) - 175(movie cost
TheS4ndm4n
Well. The studio doesn't get the gross. You have to take out marketing and the theater cut. Break even point is 2 or 3x budget.
jlill09
Yeah but the numbers were cleaner running off of gross.
jlill09
So Sony made 669 million. Under new deal. Sony would have had to only spend 87.5 million to make it but would have only made 440 in gross.
99887766554433221100
Now do the math on the prev Spiderman Films. Don't know for certain but one figure I saw was that prev they only made 70 million profit.
jlill09
669 million vs 365 million in profit. And you can see how they’d be mad
PaintYourWagon
Seriously, god forbid someone tries to stand up to Disney and instead leverage their own successes (Into the Spiderverse)
dontrike
They only really had one good Spiderman movie before that and Sony is known to fuck up Spiderman for no reason.
DoorCellar
The Spider-Man series was the most financially successful movie series of all time. Until the mcu.
dontrike
Financial success is different from critical success.
PaintYourWagon
You mean fuck him up more than a young aunt may, everyone knowing his secret, being Tony Stark Jr., and having lots of money?
dontrike
Young aunt may was "fucking things up"?
PaintYourWagon
A big part of Parker's struggle is protecting Aunt May and her failing health, young Aunt May dating a literal body guard...not so much.
Valondra
Someone hasn't read the comics.. But you're wrong about him having lots of money.
PaintYourWagon
Yeah modern MC is a dumpster fire, the further we could stay away from that the better. (I read plenty there Buckaroo)
k4FoodSmasher
Based on historical data Spiderverse is most likely a fluke.
FrankJustice1
More like a 50/50 shot? Three movies with Toby, two with Andrew, plus ItSV, and three out of those six were great.
PaintYourWagon
Because the first two versions of Spider-Man by sony didnt make a ton of money?
k4FoodSmasher
Good point. I was disappointed by the Amazing Spider-Man movies though.
mormacil
Nobody changed the deal. Disney wanted a different deal as the current one ended. Sony refused any other version of the deal so it ran out.
leshawk
It's disney who refused any other version. Sony has been trying to renegotiate. Initial reports were wrong.
fakeirish
I'm just saying w/o the full contract being released we have no clue what Disney was actually asking for besides from random source
error404usernotfound
Not true, Sony came back with counter offers and Disney refused.
mormacil
Source?
error404usernotfound
i will admit, no source is reliable in this but, https://io9.gizmodo.com/spider-man-showdown-sony-releases-an-official-statemen-1837438904
error404usernotfound
“Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didn’t want to do that.”
almightyblob
Disney wants 50% of the profits (but apparently also wanted to invest more into production as well) but for Sony this is too large of a cut
PorneliusHubertII
The funniest part is that these movies are pretty much guaranteed cash cows and there is enough money for everyone to split.
mormacil
Their first offer was 50% profit, 50% cost. Sony said take the older 5/95 deal or get out. So they got out.
almightyblob
Last Spiderman was their most financially successful film ever, so it's not hard to understand they dont wanna lose out on that
Necronomenah
Sure, but they never would have been that popular without Kevin Feige at the helm integrating them into the MCU.
JonPoncho
Well, going to 50% film profit would probably barely put them ahead of the profit they made on The Amazing Spider Man 2 film, and if they
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Half money is better than no money. And no money is what they opted for.
froginapot
Not really. Sony made the last two MCU spidey movies with Feige producing for MCU tie ins. They can make more money without this deal
DebauchedSloth
You think Sony won't be able to make any money at all producing their own movies?