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Skinkelynet42
Supporting and forgiving are two very different things. This guy is not making much sense, and I say that as a supporter of same sex marriag
KissChasey
I love Bill Goldberg.
Skeelos
He gives the People's Elbow, right?
KissChasey
Yeah. Loved him in the new Baywatch.
TheBiggestRipOffSinceWebster
He's not wrong, but he's mighty preachy for a guy who kicked the shit out of his wife. In real life. Not scripted wrestling.
anironingboard
I love how some people believe they can cherry pick a handful of verses from the Bible and claim they've figured out Christianity.
givemefakeinternetpointsplease
Well there you go... let's post this crap again, because he's an expert!
okefrommuscogee
Classic misunderstanding of Divine justice versus human justice in last one
DredPirateRoberts
What?!
MisterWho
He's mixing two different arguments. Human tolerance and divine judgement are not the same.
glock19
I mean, good for him?But, the Old Test clearly says "no gay stuff" and yes, even the gay "sinner" (if you believe its sin) can be "saved"
MommyOser16
i personally dont agree with same sex marriage but im not going to stop them. I am not the one who has to 1/2
MommyOser16
answer for it so why should i deem what you can and cannot do?
SilentZeroX
I'm in this boat. I'll tell you it's wrong if you ask for my honesty, and I'll even explain why, but that's if you ask. I don't like trouble
veilsidebpu
Soooo much ignorance here in what he's saying, I can't take it.
Macewindow54
I think that the argument is the man who finds forgiveness stops committing sins. Whereas the couple keeps on commuting them thru marriage.
rocketturttle
no one stops sinning
TuggSpeedmann
few start repenting
CoolBreeze36
There needs to be a 'What?' after each of these..
Skeelos
What?
owlsatnight
What really chaps my ass...
Skeelos
What?
Peppersworth
If you think same-sex marriage is wrong, cool, that's your right to have that opinion. That doesn't mean people shouldn't have the right 1/2
Unclesavage
Same sex marriage is fine. No need to tell everyone where they stick their genitals though. its perverted and disgusting.
Mymumsaysno
Your interest in what other other folks do with their genitals is perverted and disgusting. You just worry about your own genitals.
Unclesavage
interest? i'd like to live my life without hearing about gays sex life. Keep it to yourself, dummy.
Mymumsaysno
And yet here you are. Still thinking about it and still talking about. It's ok, I won't judge you.
AGloomyYou
How's this any different between straight couples and gay couples? I mean, you already knew how sex worked didn't you?
Unclesavage
Straight couples don't feel the need to tell you they're straight, dummy. Thats a difference for starters.
AGloomyYou
If same sex couples frequently feel the need to explain to you verbally that they are gay it may just be that they think you seem stupid
IllChooseABetterNameLater
All sex is perverted, obviously. There's nothing disgusting about lesbian sex.
Unclesavage
You just figured that out? Bravo! Still doesn't mean i want to hear about your gay buttsex everyday in the news, dummy!
IllChooseABetterNameLater
I know. I just wanted to point out that lesbian sex wasn't gross.
Unclesavage
apparently you've never seen butch lesbian porn.
Mymumsaysno
What news are you watching?!
noodlum
How many gays walk up to you and say 'wanna hear how I bone my husband?'
Unclesavage
Just telling me they're gay is telling me what they do in bed. WHat does gay mean? means you love having sex with your same sex.
Unclesavage
Take away sex and you're just friends. So yes them saying they are gay is saying where they put their genitals, dummy.
noodlum
By that logic someone telling you they are straight is also telling you what they do with their genitals.
ninjaturnip
Yea obviously, a guy who says he's straight puts his peepee in that weird swampy canyon women have.
CardsinMA
I hear it regularly. I just wish they'd shut up and let me finish blowing them.
ChicagoStyleDotHog
You. I like you.
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
At least 15 times an hour! What? Just me?
jezzey
I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this because imgur isn't made up of bible humpers, but the church doesn't say it's ok to murder and rape/1
jezzey
/2 It teaches that if you are truly sorry and repent that you can be forgiven for those sins. Even so, they are mortal sins.
modarng
Well, that's the thing. "[I]f you are truly sorry and repent," *then* it's ok to murder and rape.
Kenote
You're completely missing the point. It's NOT okay to murder and rape. God offers repentance from those sins, that's different from 1/2
Kenote
them being okay to do. No one here, especially in the Bible is saying that those things are okay to do.
TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
Yeah in the same sense someone who's gay can stop being gay and repent and the church will take them in.
jezzey
Many if us believe that being gay is a sin in the same sense as any act of lust. It's a no-no but it doesn't condemn you to a life in hell.
Peppersworth
2/2 to marry whoever they want, just because you believe it's wrong.
texasinja1718
Texas just passed the law that if the county clerk doesn't want to issue a same sex marriage license then they don't have to cause religion
sammi0285
What I think is funny is people dont have as much of a problem if they live together, but when they try to get married all hell breaks loose
Shargan8
I am totally for same sex marriage but I could argue why people feel that gay marriage should not be institutionalized by church
sammi0285
You can get a legal marriage issued by the state without involving any church at all, people do it every day. It's the people who insist 1/2
sammi0285
On churches being required to perform ceremonies for those that go against their teaching that are the problem. You can be respectful 2/3
sammi0285
I don't feel sexual attraction to other women, but it's also not my place to tell other people how to live their lives. You do you booboo!
theplayahaterball
I agree. But I also agree that no business or church should be forced to support this.
glock19
Right. Legally, should be allowed and the GOVT should recognize it. But churches, cake makers, etc, shouldn't be forced to participate.
CardsinMA
So why isn't anybody making laws for black bakers who are specifically targeted by white supremacists because it's illegal to refuse service
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
Do you have links to related lawsuits?
CardsinMA
No links needed. It's covered under the Civil Rights Act. It's the article that eliminated Jim Crow laws. You can refuse to put something
Darkspire
"It's diiiiiiffferrreennt" -bullshit artists
skribs
I believe it's wrong, but I also believe it should be legal in a country founded on freedom of religion.
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
I don't believe that the many Christians (at least among Catholics) believe that their church should rule the state..
DiabeticDolphin
Thank you. +1
MightyGlowCloud
Sorry, I'm just curious, but what do you even mean by "wrong"? Could you enlighten me?
sirpnie
I would venture to guess that it is wrong in their belief. The teachings of their religion has taught that being gay is wrong.
Peppersworth
Same, I personally think that gay marriage is wrong but imo two of the most important rights are freedom of religion and freedom to marry.
MadDogMorgan
I'm curious; why do you think it's wrong?
Peppersworth
Well 'think' was the wrong word to use, I should have said 'believe'. But the quick answer is just religious reasons.
lonelylinguist
Amen! It’s fine if a church doesn’t do gay marriages. Legal marriage is a separate thing, and should be available to consenting adults.
thewhitecar
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE
Skeelos
What?
joeyturks
Stone Cold woman beater.
FPguardian
WHAT?!
fribbled
firecatsrt
OK!
RandyMarshThoughtThisWasAmerica
YEAH!
Omnimorph2112
Heel stone cold was the best stone cold
theyar
"Bible says that's sin." "Reckon it says the same thing about murdering somebody." "Reckon it does."
SnesC
That's a straw man. You can believe homosexuality is a sin without believing that all gay people go to hell.
SomeCrazyNerd
What happens then?
SnesC
Same thing that happens to everyone: if they accepted Christ as their savior, they go to be with God in heaven. If they didn't, they don't.
SomeCrazyNerd
So they just believe? Or do they need to pretend they're not gay?
SnesC
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
SomeCrazyNerd
So, you've conceeded the accusation Christianity tells Christians they can get away with stuff if they believe?
dragonreborn84
Leviticus 18: 22-23, Matthew 19: 4-6, 1 Corinthians 7. It was God's own "high horse". There, now that we have established who said it.
danbuter
Matthew 7:1. You have no right to judge people in life. That's God's prerogative, not some wannabe preacher.
dragonreborn84
I was answering Austin's ridiculous question. And nothing I said was judging people but the act. God doesn't endorse it and neither do I.
enzio64
4 verses later: "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your...
enzio64
brother's eye." The point is don't be a hypocrite while judging, not "don't take the speck out of your brother's eye." The point to not
enzio64
judging BEFORE you take the log out of your own eye, is so that you CAN see clearly to take the speck out of his.
dragonreborn84
Now, since you appear to understand the scriptures so well, perhaps you would mind showing me where God says that act of sin is ok?
enzio64
I'm not sure what order you wrote these in, but where did I say murder wasn't a sin or sin shouldn't be called sin?
dragonreborn84
Lol. My bad. I was simply pointing out that you seem to be an advocate of sin seeing as that you don't oppose homosexuality.
ImScaredToUseMyRealNameHere
Well if church is against same-sex marriage coz bible, why do you want to get married in a church? Go get married in another institution?
Vaanhalen
Because its not about having enough in your bowl, it's about attacking other bowls
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
I mean, you have a point. But I think the bigger issue is the church's influence on politics and people's behavior.
ImScaredToUseMyRealNameHere
I can only speak for Sweden, but here we dont give a flying fk wot the church thinks and does. Its like 0.005% of population even goin there
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
Big influence on people in America.
ImScaredToUseMyRealNameHere
Probably most of America, except Canada where 25% of the population have no-religion.
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
Yep. I think only like 15% of the population is non-religious
SomeCrazyNerd
Many of those couples are Christian. They want to be part of their religion.
heyart
I'm for marriage equality but this is a straw man. The church says the murderer can be forgiven, not that he can continue to murder.
NickRivieraMD
No, I think he's saying that a dude staying married to a dude is less deserving of damnation that a serial murderer who sincerely repents.
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
Listen, I'm all for Gay Marriage, but the message of the Bible is clear, even in the New Testament (Romans 1). It's in the Bible.
NickRivieraMD
Right, I think what he's saying is forget that in this case. The bible says a lot of crazy outdated shit, apparently.
SilentZeroX
Although, that in itself is a judgmental mindset. "I may do X, but at least I'm not Y!" isn't a healthy way to live your life.
modarng
"I may do X, but at least I'm not Y!" is certainly a bad mindset, but "****, I ran a stop sign, I basically caused 9/11!" is arguably worse.
SilentZeroX
It's best to simply evaluate if something is right or wrong, and then lump all those things together. If it's wrong, it's wrong. Simple.
NickRivieraMD
Yeah well I think he's probably also saying he doesn't think gay marriage is wrong, otherwise he wouldn't be saying he's for it, eh?
NickRivieraMD
He's pointing out this moral weird thing to indicate that the belief system has something wrong with it
MapToTheCrunch
I've often found myself perplexed with organized religion's obsession with genitals and what's done with them.
Yetiphobia
The obsession with sexual mores is an expression of conservative cultural values, which are always embedded in organized religion.
robertyjordan
Why? Considering our society's preoccupation with sex, doesn't it seem important that any organization of moral values include rules on sex?
robertyjordan
I used exactly 140 characters in the last comment btw :)
MapToTheCrunch
Meh, if it's consensual, what you do with your genitals is your biz. Two dudes, two ladies, two dudes and a lady. Doesn't bother me.
supersomatic
Two siblings? Two consenting, yet intoxicated individuals? Two consenting individuals, one of whom is below the age of 14? Still unbothered?
MapToTheCrunch
I see your point, but organized religion's obsession with gay and lesbian relationships is what I'm referring to.
ImManInTheMiddle
Especially if they belong to Altar Boys.
Unclesavage
I've often found myself perplexed with organized liberal's obsession with letting everyone know what gays do with their genitals, its nasty.
MapToTheCrunch
Fair enough, my friend.
memesis
As a liberal, I don't want everyone to know. I want conservatives to stop making a big deal out of NOT letting them bump uglies in PRIVATE.
Unclesavage
Whos making a big deal out of gays in 2017? NO ONE. What a small group of christian radicals? lol they're a minority.
memesis
Great, fuck those people. Now show me specific liberal groups that are actually literally telling everyone what gays do with their genitals.
Unclesavage
What does gay mean? means you love having sex with your same sex. Take away sex and you're just friends.
Unclesavage
You liberals constantly whining about gay rights when they have gay rights is bringing attention to their gay hair buttsex, dummy.
ThisIsFrigglish
I mean if you want to get technical in context, the Apostle Paul, who wrote it down to make sure you got the message he got from God.
Mymumsaysno
Fair enough. FYI god just came and told me that he's cool with gay marriage so where do I need to write it down to make sure folks get
Mymumsaysno
The message?
AbsolutelyZeroFucksGiven
False. I'm the Apostle Paul and I did not speak to God. I do, however, lie, constantly, in this comment and in the Bible. - Some Imgur Guy
BillOreillyisaSexualPredator
GreeneyedDevil013
How do you know...did you talk to Zeus, Odin, Ra, or any of the other gods personally?
BillOreillyisaSexualPredator
Magic isnt real... i dont have to talk to anyone to know that.
GreeneyedDevil013
Who said anything about magic? o.O
BillOreillyisaSexualPredator
Really? There is no supernatural; I.e. magic. Thats what it is. You suffer from the contagious delusion of religion... dont pass that on.
jiynxed
modern christianity is basically doing what paul of tharsis said, not what christ said.
missing7
Like what?
chrisdafish
People could've added what they wanted to benefit their views or rule if they were leaders
manimatr0n
Only if you accept Pauline theology as legitimate. I know more than a few Christians who don't.
Iassann
"Your honor, I do not accept DUI law as legitimate"
Csel
Only Bird Law
Mithi
So because a schizoaffective person 2k years ago wrote a book ...
HoboTerry
Something happened, ppl just had interpretations of what was in their realm of knowledge. Still made up...but there had to been some event
Catbug430
Accept that the Bible has over 40 authors and if you go past the superficial, they all make the same point...
AchillesSkywalker
Aristotle said stuff 2k+ years ago, should we disregard what he said? Don't disregard it because of its age.
Itchy73
Yep. Disregard it because God has bigger things to do than worry about what two dudes do with their Johns in their own home.
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
(1) Paul Mentioned that he was a perfect pharisee. He paid tithes, gave to the poor, and did nothing outwardly wrong, yet
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
(2) referred to himself as the CHIEF of sinners. The problem is that we all fall infinitely short of perfection,
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
(3) which is the requirement to enter Heaven. Yes, you can live a good life, and still go to hell. Any sin separates you from God. Christ
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
(4) Even said that a single dirty thought will keep you from Heaven. But by His grace any of us can be reconciled. It's the actual
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
(5) message of the Gospel and of Christ. I'm not much of an adherent anymore, but I studied this shit, I know it very well.
MinorityOpinion
You don't know that anything you said there is true.
Hammerhead777
I mean all of it is bullshit but whatever
Tobeeornottobee
The doctrine and the writings that are followed today were chosen 325 years after the birth of JC. Nobody knows nothing about who said what
Mumalot
The word of Paul is not the word of God/Jesus.
HoboTerry
Paul is just some dude
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Every apostle is just some dude.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
If not Paul's, then the Bible shouldn't be considered as such by anyone. After all, God/Jesus didn't write anything down.
EpitomeofMediocre
Except for those commandments yeah
Mumalot
10 Commandments were "written" by God. And quite honestly, the 10 C's are good enough for me.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not so much. At best you have Exodus telling of 10 commandments on stone tablets, which were destroyed and rewritten and put in the Ark.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
And then the interpretations come into play after explaining why the tablets (supposedly written by god) were written by a person. 2/2
KeeleonOhms
Which is the biggest issue with taking the Bible as "the word of God". Has no one ever played the telephone game?
Mumalot
regarding the bible (&other oldtexts, like the constitution); People can't even agree on whether or not "man" refers to mankind or just-men.
KeeleonOhms
If it was such a big deal why didnt God tell Moses to write it in stone?
ChibiYui
Maybe it was on the third stone?
KeeleonOhms
If it was important maybe God should have found a way to get the third stone out there. But thats probably too hard for an omnipotent being.
ChibiYui
There's a scene in History of the World Part 1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48hr8HhDv0
NoImgurImgurian
*Bam* Stone tablet drop*
TheBufferkiller
Maybe he broke more than one set and it was on those? That first set was the best. Told you how to cook goat properly.
KeeleonOhms
Funny how God is the "omnipotent creator", and yet he was stimied by some fragile rocks....
TheBufferkiller
Right?! Absolutely ridiculous.
enzio64
1."You shall not commit adultery." Adultery is sex with someone other than your spouse. Your spouse was always the opposite gender in Jewish
enzio64
2. culture and practice; hence "adultery" would include same-sex sex (say that 5 times fast). Ergo, it was written in stone.
KeeleonOhms
That is a ridiculous logic train. If God thought homosexuality was specifically a sin he could have made it very obvious to us dumb monkeys.
enzio64
Leviticus 18: 22-23, Matthew 19: 4-6, Romans 1:26-27. He put it all over; I was answering the "why wasn't it written in stone?" question.
Vaanhalen
This is imgur, where the only existing commandment is about "gays" and the only church is Westboro. We delight in the obscure.
SnivellusSnape
Have you read Leviticus? Dude was tripping balls. I highly doubt a god decreed that shit, which makes the rest even less plausible.
rocketturttle
other than baptists, no one thinks god decreed Leviticus. That's Rabbinical law, not Divine law.
mycatToastwasafatasshole
Well technically, Leviticus is in the old testament. And the entire reason for Jesus (and the new testament) was so we don't have to do all1
mycatToastwasafatasshole
that shit anymore. Problem is, people like to cherry pick parts of the old testament that make them feel superior and still throw them at2
mycatToastwasafatasshole
people, even though them doing that is looking Jesus in the face and saying he died for nothing. But they DGAF. /end
WacknCheese
Totally agree, people take what they want from Leviticus, dont see anyone sacrificing goats all over the place, or selling thier sisters....
TheScarfyDoctor
Also Leviticus is almost exclusively for the Priests, most of the laws don't apply to the average person, just sacrifices and Temple shit
keillrandor
But he was talking about men and boys, which was common in that area/time, not men and men...
imgurforants
Common misconception, that is factually incorrect.
keillrandor
It's a matter of interpretation - as to why two different words were used, instead of just plural (for men), so meant man and boy, instead.
eightcastles
damn I never knew this - super interesting! I can google but do you have any sources to recommend checking out?
rocketturttle
+1 for differentiating Calamite and Sodomite.
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
right. It wasn't about love, it was about dominance.
TrafalgarLaw1990
yes, but i think the problem is people take only what they want from the bible
GreeneyedDevil013
Not to mention there are several versions...which change from one to the other...
LettucePrime
Eh. Not really. Those are word choices because language is a fickle mistress. If you want to watch people squirm, point out Luke 2:2 is~
LettucePrime
~chronologically unsound, as well as the entire concept of the Roman Census and returning to one's homeland. Admittedly it's small but it's~
LettucePrime
~just annoying enough.
gamewarrior48
If your issue is with versions, it is possible to find the original stuff in old Latin encyclicals and other things publishes by the church
Bancheis
We can't even perfectly translate modern day Spanish to English. Good luck with a dead language.
Pockymonster
good luck trying to figure out what they say though, thats why theres so many versions. besides, the word of god isn't supposed to be 1/
Pockymonster
2/ something we can really understand anyways. all knowing all powerful and some rando could write it in a book?
GreeneyedDevil013
If you really want to get technical, the Bible was put together 600ish years after Jesus died. Emperor Constantine had it put together.
gamewarrior48
Well that is when it was official, there was a Church council that did it, and basically finalized and made official what most were 1/2
Tobeeornottobee
300ish. But u right af
MotionOfTheOcean
Sure, but at the same time it is stressed in Bible how mortal peeps should leave the judging to God and just forgive the sinners. Instead1/2
MisterWho
We don't have the power to forgive sin or condemn it
MotionOfTheOcean
they are busy choosing who to apply that and who to judge. But that's none of my business as agnostic leaning to satanism. 2/2
bolharr2250
Nope you're pretty on point. There are some good critics on how the Church treats others. I personally appreciate people calling us out.
AchillesSkywalker
The sin of members of the church is heartbreakingly sad, but don't disregard the entire church because of individual mistakes.
MotionOfTheOcean
Oh dw, I don't mean to bash everyone Christian nor lump them together. Sorry if it came out that way. NT holds some of the most beautiful1/2
MotionOfTheOcean
ideas on compassion. I was personally alienated from that too however for other reasons and tbf I never was in faith, even when tried to 2/3
TheBraveToaster
As a Christian, most of us have never claimed to be perfect. You just notice the self-righteous people more because they are loud about it.
MotionOfTheOcean
I know and I wanted to direct the questioning to those. Sincerely sorry if it seemed lumping everyone together.
TheBraveToaster
The church is not about being perfect, it's about living and loving others to the best of your abilities, and we're just humans.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
At the risk of invoking the no true Scotsman thing, Christians who do that aren't doing it right.
TallDude
Sadly it's "Hate the sin, love the sinner." So it is "I have nothing against you personally, just what you are. I love you, let's save you."
MotionOfTheOcean
"I don't hate you. Just the part of you that is gay." Yeah, makes sense always. Especially since sexuality is ingrained part of oneself.
AchillesSkywalker
The attraction is not evil, acting on it is. I have an attraction to girls who aren't my wife, that's not bad, but acting on them is 1/2
MotionOfTheOcean
Yeah, many have argued that. What I don't understand is, that no one is harmed by the gay sex, but rejecting part of your ingrained self 1/2
Tobeeornottobee
But if you act on that you are harming a 3rd person. That's the difference. Who are we harming by getting married?
AchillesSkywalker
I don't have anything against a petty thief, except that he steals
Worgslarg1
We are called not to judge people for their actions; we are also called to reject sinful actions themselves, in as much as possible.
ThisNameDoesntMatter
Cool. So YOU don't marry someone of the same sex. That doesn't mean you get to make others follw suit.
nathanwooly
We can't "make" people follow, all we can do is inform them, and pray they come to understand it's wrong.
MotionOfTheOcean
Issue is, many christians try to prevent same sex marriage from passing lawful and exclude gays from churches. That goes beyond.
AlexDuos
This guy gets it.
MotionOfTheOcean
Sure, but why not accept a person with a sin even recurring one, if they cannot change and it doesn't cause anyone pain?
nathanwooly
Everyone can change, in fact the bible calls us to be completely reborn as men and women of christ always growing and maturing.
MotionOfTheOcean
Which is sensible, since everyone is capable of self improvement. However, being gay or straight is innate as is skin color.
imgurforants
As a Christian, I am still sinful sometimes. I cannot change my sin, nobody can. That's the point, we all need Jesus.
lilwrangler
Well, ACTUALLY, in Christ and through Christ you become a new person. Yes, we sin. Living a Christ-led life is a labor. The Bible says so.
ThisIsFrigglish
Not judge the person for sinning, because you also sin; but to interdict sin, to guide towards repentance, not to let them wallow in it.
MotionOfTheOcean
Yes sure, but if a person cannot choose if they are gay or not, isn't it pointless to shame them (since yes, trying to get them to change1/2
Trbfkd
Some would say pointless, I would say evil. Especially telling that shit to a child
MotionOfTheOcean
something inherent for their personality is shaming)? And why not accept that they cannot change? 2/2
ForgotMyOtherAcct
At that point, you just don't worry about it; nobody is free from sin, and it doesn't matter eventually.
MotionOfTheOcean
Also, why praise a god who has doomed a gay person to be gay, since it is something that cannot be changed?
bruisologist
Don't act on their urges. They have a much harder fight than I do and I'm sure God will reward them more than I in heaven.
skylin05
Some Christians believe you choose to be gay and lead a "homosexual lifestyle"
MotionOfTheOcean
Yeah, that IS true... Although there is scientific evidence against that. But then again they can just point to the "belief" again and 1/2
bruisologist
Being gay may not be a choice but you can choose to fight the urges. Obviously easier said than done but I know a few gay Christians that
bruisologist
This is a hard one but ill try. God is the creator of everything, but doesn't intervene in our daily lives per se.
eyeLied
How do you know God doesn't intervene? He could make you do things every single day that you wouldn't have done without he making you.
bruisologist
As a Christian, we praise God the creator (engineer). God gives everyone a choice and Satan tries his hardest to persuade you to his side.
MotionOfTheOcean
Mmm... I think my question was poorly constructed. I'm rather wondering why judge the poor sod (instead of god) for being created gay?
bruisologist
Satan has more control over the world because god let him.
bruisologist
When you ride a train and everything goes as planned, do you praise the train operator or the person that engineers that designed the train?
MotionOfTheOcean
I wouldn't praise the engineers except for the general tech. Obviously the train operation can be done wrong or right, so better give 1/2
bloodtypeinfinity
Maybe because God never said homosexuality was a sin and that's just a lie spread by prudish conservative old farts in the church?
Chozolink
Romans 1:26-27.
Svartlebee
The bible makes it clear. Not my book but those be the books rules.
MotionOfTheOcean
Oh, that is exactly what I think too. I know not all religious people are like that and I have no beef if people just allow others to be.
DerangedMoosh
Slightly off topic, I don't understand why nonchristians (gay, strait or whatever) want to get married in a church?
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Zero3Quarter
Cause goodness forbid equal rights?!?
SomeCrazyNerd
Well what's so bad about promoting acceptance of a thing that logicaly should be accepted? And also the may be Christian couples.
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SomeCrazyNerd
Along as churches have legal license they nust follow the government agenda becausw they're working as essentially a comtractor.
SexuallyInappropriateComment
When a professional wrestler talks more sense than your president
LeadByBadExample
Sometimes professional mechanics, lawyers, journalists, etc. also talk more sense than Trump. It's not about the profession, yo.
PhantomGeek
Please, stop talking. Your inner moron is showing
HaveGinWillBabble
plainoldfool
You do know Dwyane Johnson is considering running in 2020.
MrDrWatson
2020 will be an interesting year if Steven Williams and Dwayne Johnson decide to run for president.
PhantomGeek
When a professional wrestler hasn't studied the bible and idiots make feel food memes with regurgitated diatribe
LazyJones1
Give it a few years, and maybe a professional wrestler will talk the same sense as your president...
IraqiWalker
I'm sorry, but on his worst day, The Rock talks more sense than Trump. I pray we never have "same" levels again.
LazyJones1
If The Rock was president, his talking would make the EXACT same sense as the president...
IraqiWalker
You clearly haven't been following him over the past 10 years. He makes a LOT of sense.
LazyJones1
That's what I'm saying. Try reading my posts again WITHOUT the belief that I am dissing Mr. Johnson. :)
TheOneThatGotBanned
Ehh :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc
MrRubberBurner
WHAT
VileCoyote
Not that strange; he's used to following a script.
Bongedagain
That's what happens when u elect a game show host president he won't make much sense
Zugoola
This is still technically true
nasreal
Make America Stone Cold Again!!
chrisdafish
And probably the most red neck wrestler out there
AVeryNakedMoleRat
Stone Cold Steve Austin for pres 2020.
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SomeCrazyNerd
Which was largely a technicality. He supported everything else.
SomeCrazyNerd
Nice ad hominem.
TheRaiderofRandom
Stone Cold got to where he is primarily on his own merit. He worked out, dieted, practiced, and took acting lessons just to get a shot at 1/
TheRaiderofRandom
being known. Then he was smart enough to know how punishing the job was and expanded his sphere of influence. 2/2
RyanKyojiri
Camacho for president?
DavidBrooker
I'm pretty sure Trump is in the WWE hall of fame
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
Said wrestler also kick said president's ass at one point.
pareidoliaperson
Professor wrestler.
TeamKillingFuckTard
Well I'm pretty sure he did give trump the stunner at some point
Freebackrubs
The irony is that Trump was too apart of the WEE for a bit. Imagine that being on the US President's resume...
JustFeedMePieDammit
I read that as like someone going "whee" down a slide and was very confused for a moment.
eyeLied
Just enjoy the post instead of bringing your hate of someone into the fold. Trump isn't actively LGBT, so why bring it up?
MrPresidentTrump2016
I'm the first openly pro-gay/pro-lgbt President in the history of US.
ZBEARJEW
And that's the bottom line...
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JustHereForTheWorkStories
Aaaand now you're on a list.
everettscott
What a weak bump.
FailureCode
Like a sack of potatoes
what047
I wish he would do that now, during a press conference.
hippy80
'Cos Stone Cold said so.
DeadByVirus20
Zhouse301
Austin 20:18
plainoldfool
Holy shit, Trump can't even sell a stunner.
moonsaves
Have to be good at trade deals to sell well.
ScarletMegaGay
That one guy in the back though.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Wrong. That man is a washed up has been. Pathetic.
InnsmouthTourist
You're right. Never before has someone been quite as pathetic as Trump is
Derplord
That's what got Trump elected. He was more trustworthy than Clinton. You're thinking like a true Trump supporter now.
IAmJacksRagingBileDuct
Seeing as Trump openly supported gay rights at the RNC and said after the election gay marriage was settled law, this claim makes no sense.
SomeCrazyNerd
He also said he'd consider trying to overturn the decision.
IAmJacksRagingBileDuct
He said the opposite: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-president-elect-donald-trump-sex-marriage-settled/story?id=43513067
SomeCrazyNerd
He said both things at different times. Newsflash: Trump doesn't give a shit. He'll sacrifice LGBT rights if he needs to pander to 'phobes.
IAmJacksRagingBileDuct
I provided a source for my claim, I'm sure you can do the same, because all I found was Hillary Clinton claiming he'd reverse it if he won.
ZachlSHJGQFUYASDG
do any liberal claims ever make sense?
Dionysus187
You do realize saying he makes more sense doesn't imply Trump said something to the contrary, right?
cleverbeans
His actions tell a very different story. He's actively eroded LGBT rights and protections since becoming president.
ZachlSHJGQFUYASDG
name one right hes eroded stop making shit up just to jsutify your irrational opposition
Corona688
He's filled cabinet with people opposed to gay rights. All trump needs to do now is exactly nothing.
Corona688
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/03/21/implicit-sexism-trump-displayed-with-merkel-is-all-too-familiar-to-women/
Corona688
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/325281-the-american-health-care-act-is-filled-with-discrimination-and
Corona688
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-women-workers-n741041
Corona688
His vice pres is a supporter of anti-gay "conversion therapy". Seriously believes its a thing you can be trained out of.
Zamm005
We all love the pantomime that is Trump, but do you really think he's Christian? How many do you really think believe this shit?
IraqiWalker
You REALLY underestimate the gullibility and stupidity of the population. Not because they get duped, but because the dupe themselves.
Zamm005
INB4 stupid people asking questions: The USA population is too stupid/bigoted to vote for someone unless they "Have faith". Whilst Trump is
Zamm005
a complete fuckwitt, literally no one can win a US election without pretending to be religious! Even with Russia's help!
walnuts1983
The president doesn't like gays? Link?
Skeelos
Not sure if the President ever played Zelda enough to like or dislike Link.
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ZachlSHJGQFUYASDG
trump is the only potus to openly support lgbtq from the very beginning yet libs hate on him for being anti lgbt while praising obama
ZachlSHJGQFUYASDG
for being pro lgbtq even though he built his campaign on being anti gay marriage same for hillary but for some reason lgbtq hates on trump
ZachlSHJGQFUYASDG
and praises obama and hillary
SomeCrazyNerd
Obama's primary issue in 2008 was inequality. That was what he buit his campaign on. Hence the whoel accusations of socialism.
SomeCrazyNerd
Obama didn't build his campaign on it. He was pro ebery other right but conceeded marriage for pragmatic win in south and midwest.
Degoragon
Evidence please.
MobileUserGundam
Most people don't think he has any inherent dislike of gays... but he's more than happy to throw them under the bus if it helps him at all.
Degoragon
and when did he show any possibility of that? Evidence please, or are you only good for spouting empty libtard rhetoric?
MobileUserGundam
Let's see, hiring virulent anti-gay Pence as a running mate, he's done nothing to curb recent bathroom laws, failed to recognize price month
Degoragon
that had nothing to do with Hiring pence, he has stated the Bathroom law is a state and Municipal matter, not a matter of the feds.
MobileUserGundam
*pride month. And I misspoke, he didn't just "not curb" bathroom laws, he, you know, actively repealed them.
superseriouscomments
The thing about fucking stuff up and then accepting God and then getting into heaven is debated in the bible already. Like in the
superseriouscomments
Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. If you don't like that, you should probably avoid the Christian faith. I don't like it either, btw.
orangecicle
Yeah... you don't get that parable lol
imgurforants
The whole point is every single person ever is equally sinful and undeserving before God, except for Jesus. That's the whole point.
StriderZessei
Remember the parable of the Prodigal Son? He CHOSE to screwed up, realized how far he'd fallen, came back, and his dad RAN OUT to him.
FlorbFnarb
Why? Do you WANT some things to be too big for God to forgive?
cleverbeans
Why do you feel an evil God who does horrible things deserves worship?
FlorbFnarb
What evil God? How is it possible for God to be evil?
SilentZeroX
Compelling question. If God is the root of all morality, then it would indeed be impossible for him to be evil, no matter our perspective.
superseriouscomments
I just think it sends out a bad message.
FlorbFnarb
The message that God is bigger than anything you do wrong and no person is truly impossible to fix...if they allow it?
superseriouscomments
You could see it that way. Maybe you even should see it that way, yet I think: Why can't you just be nice in the first place ?
squishcat
But what if they aren't truly repentant and they just don't want to go to hell? And they just go do it again and again?
FlorbFnarb
I see the man completely fails to understand Christian theology.
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FlorbFnarb
My comment is not about homosexuality, it's about forgiveness, but what verse are you referring to?
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FlorbFnarb
That just isn't the case. It's pretty specific, multiple times.
z3lfmoord
Agreed. God told prophets all the way back to Moses and even before that same sex marriage isn't allowed.
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PokeMasterWrath
Most Christians fail to understand Christianity. FTFY
TallDude
Yup. It is true acceptance of god, repentance for your sins etc. Not just saying "Yo I'm cool with Jesus."
FlorbFnarb
Agreed. It means complete surrender, not a pro forma statement and then you're good to go.
labyrinthconvention
no, I think he gets it completely.
FlorbFnarb
No, he absolutely fails to understand the teaching about God and forgiveness.
cleverbeans
No he didn't. Just read the Bible it's completely obvious that he's correct.
FlorbFnarb
About what? He's demanding that some sins should be too big for God to forgive. The Bible never says any such thing.
cryalittleharder
lmfao. So... he misunderstood all the technical details of how Sky Daddy operates? Hmm sounds very important and not at all made up
SimonTheGodOfHairdoos
Pffffahahahahha. Sky Daddy. I haven't heard that one before. +1
FlorbFnarb
He's criticizing something it doesn't sound like he understands, yes. Like you are doing.
cryalittleharder
Right. I must just not understand the mystical deep knowledge of SantaJesusGod there, bud.
FlorbFnarb
Sarcasm is a pretty weak argument.
cryalittleharder
Sure got under your skin though, didn't it?
squishcat
I doubt most believers understand. But if they did it wouldn't be called belief it would be called trust. You don't need to know to believe.
squishcat
you don't need to know all the facts to disbelieve either.
FlorbFnarb
You need to understand to believe.
Dionysus187
You really don't, otherwise you wouldn't have 'respected Christians' disagreeing on fundamental points.
cryalittleharder
That's really fucking stupid.
danbuter
Most "theologians" all seem to forget Matthew 7:1.
FlorbFnarb
I don't know that people forget it, although people often fail to obey it. Thing is, it's referring to not judging people (more)
FlorbFnarb
it isn't about not judging actions. I cannot judge a sinner, but I can judge a sin and recognize it as a sin. (more)
FlorbFnarb
I must judge thievery as wrong, but I cannot judge the thief, meaning I cannot say he can't be one of God's own. (more)
FlorbFnarb
But none of that means I shouldn't say something is a sin.
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heethin
How about you Xtians conference and see if you can figure it out, agree on it, then get back to us. Then we'll talk.
FlorbFnarb
The teaching about God and forgiveness is not controversial among forgiveness; no sins are too great for God.
heethin
Nahum 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked…
incorporeal5
You're quoting the Hebrew bible, not the Christian bible.
heethin
Yes, I know. It's the same Jew bible in the pews at my Congregational church when I grew up. Seriously, you guys need to get agreement.
incorporeal5
Try Mathew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you 1/2
heethin
Matthew 5:17–19
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not really. The problem people have is that after such heinous acts, despite true repentance and acceptance of God/Jesus, you're forgiven.
FlorbFnarb
Which is my point - they are demanding that God forgive less, that some sins be too great for God. (more)
PartyStone
And the point people here is trying to make is that homosexuality is nothing to repent
FlorbFnarb
Far less relevant than his misunderstanding of forgiveness.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Right. That isn't a misunderstanding of Christianity, that is an opposition to some of its teachings.
FlorbFnarb
They're demanding a religion of hate, essentially.
cleverbeans
They're demanding a religion that hates evil as opposed to a religion that's totally cool with it and actively encourages it.
FlorbFnarb
Which is not Christianity. If you hate people who do wrong, that itself is evil.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not really, no. Hate and justice aren't synonymous. Some would argue it isn't just to be forgiven for extremely heinous acts.
FlorbFnarb
Then you're saying forgiveness is unjust, and that justice demands got stop forgiving people. Justice demands finite forgiveness.(more)
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
Your level of outrage does not equal the amount of sense you make. Both the killer and the gay guy (according to the Bible) can both repent
SteamBunnyx
What would a gay guy have to repent for? Did he kill someone to? Did he slayyyyyy, queen?? ????
SteamBunnyx
Too* I'm an idiot
PsychRealms
The Bible IS horse shit!!!! GOD DOES NOT CARE!!!
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
That's just like, your opinion man.
Yetiphobia
He makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense are the concepts of Martin Luther and the dingbat Christianity that they led to.
Yetiphobia
You all keep downvoting this, but there's only been one rebuttal, and it was nonsense.
Msgrim
Not the same thing, a gay guy can only repent of he stops being gay. Kind of impossible.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not so much. The idea is for a person to fight and not entertain those desires. Sin of the heart and mind and all that shit.
SomeCrazyNerd
Which is trying to have your cake and eat it too. That's like asking black people to paint themselves white. It's not real or healthy.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Strange analogy, no it isn't, and I very much agree. But the question wasn't if the theological beliefs are healthy.
rocketturttle
Not true. We all sin, every day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't read the book.
Msgrim
I didn't say no one sins... Religion is ridiculous to ask a gay person to repent and not be gay isn't possible.
rocketturttle
religion doesn't ask them to not be gay. it asks them to ask forgiveness or not have sex.
BostonSmitty
#All Gays go to heaven #Repent this dick
Msgrim
You're an idiot if you think I was implying they didn't. I'm saying religion is ridiculous.
BostonSmitty
Sorry! ment to leave that comment for @FlorbFnarb as hes the one who was saying gays need to repent!
FlorbFnarb
I actually didn't address the issue of homosexuality. The more fundamental misunderstanding expressed in the image is (more)
SwashbucklingForJustice
Just think about the words you wrote here for a second. Ignore what youve been taught for a moment. Do they seem reasonable?
raidleadergutts
Lol you triggered all religious filth who think it's ok to hate people for their sexuality.
JonesMcGee
you can't use reason or logic to debate religion with a zealous believer. to have faith you have to be able to ignore rationality a bit
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
What u said was reasonable and logical. Point out where I was wrong
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
I'm not Christian and honestly very confused about religion rn.
alexwrath
What exactly is the gay guy repenting for? Last I checked, murder and liking someone of the same sex isn't exactly on par with each other.
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
A sin is a sin
alexwrath
Well that seems a little misguided and, frankly, stupid.
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
It depends on how you look at it, it's kind of like no deed too small. And there isn't exactly a meter for how bad a sin is. And it's like
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
the whole thing with Christianity. Since all you can say is "it's stupid hur duh dur" then I think we're done talking.
rocketturttle
which is why gay sex ain't on the top ten list; it's down in the fine print
bruisologist
Remember Christians are humans too and fall short sometimes and aren't perfect. But again if they are being fake Christians only god can ju
spectheintro
Technically, in biblical terms, sexual sins are the most heinous sins.
alexwrath
What's your source for this?
spectheintro
See my below comment (1 Corinthians)
harpoonyourboyfriend
Unfortunately, the average Christian would say they are.
rocketturttle
no, the average christian would not. only a handful of embarrassing loud ones
bruisologist
Is it embarrassing to speak the truth?
rocketturttle
if you think church law is of the same weight as God's law, please talk to a priest.
mrmcspicy
Morality is absolute, not relative in the Abrahamic religions.
TheBraveToaster
In God's eyes all sins are equal. There is only one unforgivable sin, and that would be blasphemy.
SlappedStupid
It's not about the magnitude of the crime. I am not religious, but allow me to adopt their party line; no matter how serious the sin, ->
SlappedStupid
anybody who genuinely repents is forgiven. This allows for people who have changed, or perhaps who were suffering mental illness, to ->
SlappedStupid
experience redemption, which is generally a good idea. The problem lies in defining homosexuality as a sin in the first place. It's a ->
SlappedStupid
cruel, unreasonable thing, but I feel that way about moral judgements in general. Since people are shaped by nature & nurture, their ->
bruisologist
According to the bible a sin is a sin is a sin. Only god can judge. You can judge Christians all you want, but Christians shouldn't judge.
WorstPostEver
Well that’s exactly the bit of a problem, ain’t it? Murderin’ the innocents vs non-traditional relationship ain’t exactly the same GD thing.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Meh. Not to be aggressive about it, but that's kinda why I left the whole thing behind. I don't have room in my life for that cycle of
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
guilt over things that aren't as bad as other things and repentance for thoughts and all that jazz.
ThisUsernameWasntTakenIGuess
Looks like you missed the point though. :(
bruisologist
Yea it's not easy and everyday is a struggle.
TraitorousTrump3
And yet they're the most judgmental a-holes around.
possumsandwich
Not all are that way.
bruisologist
You're being judgemental right now and you're not a Christian. I think that's just a human quality that I myself sometimes do.
TraitorousTrump3
I never claimed to be.
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
And get into heaven. It's a stupid comparison as they both don't align with Christian belief. And honestly it's 100% fine for churches not
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
Yup. Gay ppl should be able to marry, but not have a religious cerimony if the religion doesnt alloe it.
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
Ya, you can't expect an entire religion to change just for you
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
Exactly.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
Ik it sounds a bit homophobic, but its the truth. The LGBT community should still be able to marry, but not by church
AVeryVeryVeryVeryVeryVeryVeryLostDragon
What if they disagree with only the prospect they being gay is a sin?
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
(And people) to not approve or support gay marriage. But there is a problem if that seek to bar those people from their rights and seek to
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
harm them. But Stone Cold up there seems to have a problem with the whole religion and their beliefs which is fine but really his entire
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
argument seeks to demonize Christianity using that hyperbolic scenario then disapproving of his own made up scenario too make it seem as tho
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
he made a point. Which he did buy if you take a closer look his point only validates his own point, which is logically stupid.
ThousandsOfDeadlySeaSnakes
Yeah, but if one repents it implies they have to renounce being gay and admit that it's "wrong" in order to be allowed into heaven.