I wouldn't be surprised if they could only score offside goals and receive a red card or two each half. Not to mention that their GK would step off the line at every penalty against them, so they'd be constantly retaken until...
While I think the red card was a mistake, that's not my call. It's the ref's. And a call from the president of the country represented by the red-carded team changing the outcome is stupid and just further demonstrates the corruption throughout FIFA.
American here. I don’t know soccer/football enough to say he deserved a red card. The referee made a call and Americans need to live with it. Trump in true fashion had to stick his head in this. Is there any country that doesn’t hate the US? Please keep in mind the US has 350 million people and 50 million of them voted for Trump 3x. Hopefully the midterms will be favorable enough to impeach him.
I was really hoping for South Africa, Senegal, Ghana, etc. to win the whole thing — just so Trump would have to hand the championship trophy to a team of Black people from Africa. Because he would hate that.
When Balogun got that nonsense red card, it was the first time I was fired up for Team USA, going into today's game. Trump's bullshit has soured me.
As a law-man, though, if Messi didn't get red card for similar contact (or even a yellow?), and Ronaldo had his red card violent act penalization deferred so he wouldn't miss a World Cup game, wouldn't it be more consistent for FIFA to review Balogun's red card and possibly defer it, instead of doing nothing while Messi and Ronaldo 1/X
get to 'get away with it'? I'm not a big soccer watcher, usually only for World Cup, so this question is coming from a good place, not someone who is siding with Trump or FIFA. I usually prefer similar inputs to have similar outputs, so the Messi/Ronaldo examples are in conflict, conceptually, with Balogun situation for me.
Like if Trump didn't walk around saying he made the red card go away, and FIFA just decided to do it themselves, would it still be such a gigantic deal? 2/2
Same, I'm not supporting anything in this country until we move forward with this shit government and make concessions for the evil shit we've done. So I probably never will root for America again.
Like minimizing the suffering of an entire nation, the aftereffects of which are still strongly felt today and for which there has never been justice, for fake internet points.
Trust me, the people from Congo and Zaire will watch the match with us and applause every Belgian goal ! Some just to react about the American racism....
When the World Cup was held in Africa, the Dutch team was celebrated and a local favourite off the pitch. Some countries are better than others at moving forward from a bad past. Vietnam, Japan, Germany, they’ve all not forgotten but forgiven others as well as themselves in some cases.
In the way that they still to this very day teach that they were the good guys and victims in WWII (if they tech it at all) in their schools. And they refuse to even acknowledge 99.99% of the war crimes they committed.
That's wonderfully reductive. A) Simply because those people have found a new life in Belgium doesn't mean racism in Belgium is eliminated, nor does it excuse what Leopold II and the Belgian imperialists did. That's like Americans replying "Uh. Uh. Well, rappers and NBA players are rich," when people talk about the barbarism of American slavery. B) Had Europe not completely fucked over Africa, the continent would likely have been in much better shape.
It was a bullshit red card, given by a ref who has previously been investigated for showing partiality. As much as I hate that Trump got stuck his nose in to get the rules bent, it was a shit call to start with so I pretty well view this as the right outcome.
Teams have to deal with "bullshit" calls all the time. Two wrongs don't make a right, so Trump ruined the outcome by affecting it, even if that otherwise would've been the correct thing to do. Don't let your fandom override right and wrong.
So the US player was attempting to injure the other guy? or is that irrelevant under FIFA rules and dangerous contact is all it takes? I agree it looked horrible but it sure seemed accidental to me. Also no amount of begging from team USA for him to butt out would have any effect on the orange POS. So the sentiment of this thread seems pretty cruel to me. Much of the team has this one chance at greatness. 4 years from now I'm sure several just won't be good enough any more.
It is one match because it was accidental. If it was intentional we would be looking at 2 to 4 matches at minimum. It was a very dangerous play and as such, it is a red card.
Thanks for the info. The more I look at this the more it's looking like just another turd to add to the enormous pile of sh-t trump has created. One positive is that there will be another World Cup in 2030. We in the USA have to wait 50 years to get an untainted by trump Tricentennial. I don't think I'll make it.
I don't give a fuck about Soccer, but I will side with Belgium over this. The United States President is using his political power to rig sportsball games. The pages of the history book we are writing are inked with stupidity.
Not on Imgur. Most people here are the "sportsball go" crowd. You can expect them to get angry about everything, but you can't expect them to understand sports.
Not when the leader of the country that team represents calls the fifa brass personally to refute calls and give their team an edge. Then that teams performance is tainted by corruption.
Seems like a pretty straightforward statement. I don't know what possible reason you'd have to think Trump is a competent or influential negotiator or that he'd do something right with those "skills."
Sorry, I'm going to root for the US tonight. I may hate DJT and am totally not surprised that he inserted himself into the discourse, and FIFA, corrupt as it is, happily obliged. But I still want our players to win. I recognize that the rules say a ban is warranted, but this is a prime example of that rule is dumb. Suspend players after the match if the foul is egregious. Our player was clearly going for the ball.
Thierry Henry and Zlatan Ibrahimovic as the commentators at half time and post game, both said the red card wasn't warranted. Zlatan actually said, "If the right call had been made on the field, this wouldn't have happened"
Same. I hate that Trump stuck his nose in this one and basically got the rules bent to his whim, but for once in his entire presidency it was the right call. The fould was clearly unintentional and that ref had already been investigated for partiality.
Maybe you misunderstood me - I have no problem with the player being ejected for the current game. That seems fair. My point is after the current game is when they should determine whether further suspension is warranted. Not automatic. But I guess it doesn't really matter now. We got smoked, and watching the game, it didn't even seem close. Belgium clearly was the better team last night.
Nah. If two yellows in 2 (interspersed) matches means skipping a game, then an instant-red should definitely mean skipping a game. Otherwise you'd see a lot more "plausible deniability red" at the end of a match because there's no real cost involves for the offenders. You can argue 2 x yellow means discussing. You can argue that a specific red shoukd have been a yellow. But an instant red should be an instant ban.
I was fine with our player being out of the Bosnia game cause of the red. I just think that instead of the next game suspension being automatic, it should be reviewed. And then increased or eliminated based upon circumstances. But it's all academic now, anyways.
They do review it, and they can then increase the amount of match bans. They shouldn't eliminate consequences. That'd be like, oh I don't know, being convicted of 34 felonies, getting an unconditional discharge basically saying "time served in this round is enough punishment", and just keeping on truxking. You had strong opinions on the rule but now it's "all academic"? No it isn't; this impacts future matches - you're just using defeat as a copout for lacking an argument besides "our team".
lonelyrangerofthedreams
This shows again how FIFA worth.
Like a piece of shit under your shoes.
ChadMaxxington
Stupid. I won't hate everything in the US because of current shitshow. GO USA
metalrulercid
Except fifa, which has been bought and paid for.
Frothington
If the US loses trump is going to call infanto & tell him the US actually won & he needs to reverse the outcome. :P.
UggItsThatKid24
Even The Congo?
crateo
After the removal of USAID, yes. Even the Congo.
graifazig
Only the DR Congo /s.
TheMurderousCricket
Belgium it is. Fuck draft and red card dodgers!
kriswinters
You missed a spot.
SedatedPossum
Belgium hasn't looked great so far in the tournament, I wouldn't be surprised if the US won this one.
Margrave9000
I wouldn't be surprised if they could only score offside goals and receive a red card or two each half. Not to mention that their GK would step off the line at every penalty against them, so they'd be constantly retaken until...
They're so unconvincing, amirite?
oldguyexlurker
While I think the red card was a mistake, that's not my call. It's the ref's. And a call from the president of the country represented by the red-carded team changing the outcome is stupid and just further demonstrates the corruption throughout FIFA.
joebaston
Go Belgium🏆
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
First Paraguay made me support France (!), now Trump makes me support Belgium. Fuck all this!
woobniggurath
Come on Mbape was being a huge dick. Both teams attitudes sucked.
crateo
You didn't watch the match
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
I thought he was remarkably calm considering how much he got punched and kicked. I in his position wouldn't have finished the game on the pitch
woobniggurath
Most of those punches and kicks were imaginary tho
B4r4B4d4B45tu
Nah, you're right. AMong South Americans, we dread playing Paraguay because they like to play dirty.
diamond77
American here. I don’t know soccer/football enough to say he deserved a red card. The referee made a call and Americans need to live with it. Trump in true fashion had to stick his head in this. Is there any country that doesn’t hate the US?
Please keep in mind the US has 350 million people and 50 million of them voted for Trump 3x. Hopefully the midterms will be favorable enough to impeach him.
Mcmaclassie
I really hope Belgium wins.
madjo
Fuck the USA team!
Seethreepeeoh
Liberia isn’t using Belgium units
B4r4B4d4B45tu
If Pochettino and Balogun have any integrity and pride as footballers, Balogun should NOT play the match.
Camelspotting
Cry more
B4r4B4d4B45tu
OK redcap.
Camelspotting
Sorry what? I'm not the one fluffing his ego.
shameofslate
I was really hoping for South Africa, Senegal, Ghana, etc. to win the whole thing — just so Trump would have to hand the championship trophy to a team of Black people from Africa. Because he would hate that.
crateo
You can root for France too xD. It is a team with many muslim black people who are way more popular than him.
zeacorzeppelin10
How long before Trump gets mad and changes the results of the game. He already got the player reinstated.
thedtp
I’m an American living in American, and even I’m rooting for Belgium.
Raisexplay
Go paint your house on the map!
necessity
You in Alaska? I think they have you covered on this map.
nation543
Bahahahaha glorious
gifworthy
go back to your home country!
philmoregraves
Plz, no
Perkunas687
When Balogun got that nonsense red card, it was the first time I was fired up for Team USA, going into today's game. Trump's bullshit has soured me.
As a law-man, though, if Messi didn't get red card for similar contact (or even a yellow?), and Ronaldo had his red card violent act penalization deferred so he wouldn't miss a World Cup game, wouldn't it be more consistent for FIFA to review Balogun's red card and possibly defer it, instead of doing nothing while Messi and Ronaldo 1/X
Perkunas687
get to 'get away with it'? I'm not a big soccer watcher, usually only for World Cup, so this question is coming from a good place, not someone who is siding with Trump or FIFA. I usually prefer similar inputs to have similar outputs, so the Messi/Ronaldo examples are in conflict, conceptually, with Balogun situation for me.
Like if Trump didn't walk around saying he made the red card go away, and FIFA just decided to do it themselves, would it still be such a gigantic deal? 2/2
rydecker
DJT can f'up anything and everything
awkungen42
Same, I'm not supporting anything in this country until we move forward with this shit government and make concessions for the evil shit we've done. So I probably never will root for America again.
Altqwenta
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/20/belgian-police-officer-made-nazi-salute-in-cell-of-man-who-died
andmysoundslaiddownbytheUnderGround
I doubt the entirety of Africa is cheering for Belgium.
StephenDeadalus
Right?
DemSumBigAssRidges
Imagine thinking Congo would ever root for Belgium...
brassmule
Definitely not clapping for Belgium.
NaughtButOne
Some things are more important than decades of exploitation, disease and death.
insaaanity
Like minimizing the suffering of an entire nation, the aftereffects of which are still strongly felt today and for which there has never been justice, for fake internet points.
stryhf
svon1
i mean Congo has a couple of million people.... so i guess there be like 2-3 people who just really hate the USA....
Andersen81
Congo just might not be that hot on Belgium.
TerribleBot
We have lots of people from Congo and Zaire here in Belgium, and trust me they like it.
MrAcurite
And there are plenty of Cubans in Miami who love America. That does not mean that Cuba likes America.
TerribleBot
Trust me, the people from Congo and Zaire will watch the match with us and applause every Belgian goal !
Some just to react about the American racism....
losersmanual
Clap your hand!
Safsome
Godverdomme. Te vroeg gast…
crateo
Yes, but...USA killed way more people in Africa over the last 50 years than any other country.
Trump specifically is a leader on that.
GuitarGeorge
When the World Cup was held in Africa, the Dutch team was celebrated and a local favourite off the pitch. Some countries are better than others at moving forward from a bad past. Vietnam, Japan, Germany, they’ve all not forgotten but forgiven others as well as themselves in some cases.
crateo
Not Japan, definately.
GuitarGeorge
In what way exactly?
keebs63
In the way that they still to this very day teach that they were the good guys and victims in WWII (if they tech it at all) in their schools. And they refuse to even acknowledge 99.99% of the war crimes they committed.
GuitarGeorge
Gotcha. Well I named them in regard to being forgiving about getting nuked twice but you do make a good point.
MicrodosingClimateChange
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LtRooney
Check the username, folks.
MicrodosingClimateChange
That's wonderfully reductive. A) Simply because those people have found a new life in Belgium doesn't mean racism in Belgium is eliminated, nor does it excuse what Leopold II and the Belgian imperialists did. That's like Americans replying "Uh. Uh. Well, rappers and NBA players are rich," when people talk about the barbarism of American slavery. B) Had Europe not completely fucked over Africa, the continent would likely have been in much better shape.
gtollie
Even Alaska is rooting for the. .. possibly Hawaii .. I can’t tell
hogeyegrex
Go Belgium.
PeteyVonWho
I don't know why we're rooting for Belgium, but I sure as heck ain't cheering for my shithole of a country, so yay Belgium!
marsilies
I looked it up. A US player got a red card in their last game, so shouldn't be able to play in the game against Belgium, but Trump called the FIFA president to "reconsider" the red card, and then FIFA suspended the red card so the player can play. Everyone is complaining about it being dirty pool. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/folarin-balogun-live-updates-suspension-usmnt-world-cup-belgium/live/
shamwedding
It was a bullshit red card, given by a ref who has previously been investigated for showing partiality. As much as I hate that Trump got stuck his nose in to get the rules bent, it was a shit call to start with so I pretty well view this as the right outcome.
marsilies
Teams have to deal with "bullshit" calls all the time. Two wrongs don't make a right, so Trump ruined the outcome by affecting it, even if that otherwise would've been the correct thing to do. Don't let your fandom override right and wrong.
StephenDaniels
So the US player was attempting to injure the other guy? or is that irrelevant under FIFA rules and dangerous contact is all it takes? I agree it looked horrible but it sure seemed accidental to me. Also no amount of begging from team USA for him to butt out would have any effect on the orange POS. So the sentiment of this thread seems pretty cruel to me. Much of the team has this one chance at greatness. 4 years from now I'm sure several just won't be good enough any more.
B4r4B4d4B45tu
For starters, the issue is that P47 made FIFA's president rescind a red card, which is seen as the dirtiest move possible. 1/2
B4r4B4d4B45tu
If Pochettino and Balogun have any integrity and pride as footballers, Balogun should NOT play the match. 2/2
crateo
It is one match because it was accidental. If it was intentional we would be looking at 2 to 4 matches at minimum. It was a very dangerous play and as such, it is a red card.
StephenDaniels
Thanks for the info. The more I look at this the more it's looking like just another turd to add to the enormous pile of sh-t trump has created. One positive is that there will be another World Cup in 2030. We in the USA have to wait 50 years to get an untainted by trump Tricentennial. I don't think I'll make it.
Sebastopol140
Even a huge portion of the US is also Belgium.
Camelspotting
Nope, just the occasional basement dweller.
ReallyOG
I don’t enjoy football and I don’t really like Belgium, but i will be supporting Belgium in today’s sporting events. I hope the Belgian ball goes.
nasukkin
I don't give a fuck about Soccer, but I will side with Belgium over this. The United States President is using his political power to rig sportsball games. The pages of the history book we are writing are inked with stupidity.
Sebastopol140
"inked with stupidity" I like that.
FinancialRavioli
I'm born and raised USA.
I hope Belgium kicks our ass.
Playhardnaplong
they did <3
FinancialRavioli
Thoroughly.
CookieRunner20XD6
One is able to not like a government and still support a national team.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Not on Imgur. Most people here are the "sportsball go" crowd. You can expect them to get angry about everything, but you can't expect them to understand sports.
silentpat
Hi, certified jock here. They could stand up for the integrity of the game. They won't. They're complicit. Fuck the USMNT.
NaughtButOne
We'll get back to you after we find out whether or not they accept an invite to the White House for an incredible luncheon.
truthputer
I don't support cheaters tho.
demosteness
Well it depends. If you see clearly they’re being corruptly helped out…
ImAWeirdMom
Yeah, but one is also able to live in the US and still support Belgium.
Jimthebutler
Not when the leader of the country that team represents calls the fifa brass personally to refute calls and give their team an edge. Then that teams performance is tainted by corruption.
NR97420
That's a fine point, btw. Corruption is the correct c word to be used here.
Camelspotting
Quit sucking Trump's dick
Jimthebutler
What?
Camelspotting
Seems like a pretty straightforward statement. I don't know what possible reason you'd have to think Trump is a competent or influential negotiator or that he'd do something right with those "skills."
Jimthebutler
Lmao, alright buddy.
deathblade369
Sorry, I'm going to root for the US tonight. I may hate DJT and am totally not surprised that he inserted himself into the discourse, and FIFA, corrupt as it is, happily obliged. But I still want our players to win. I recognize that the rules say a ban is warranted, but this is a prime example of that rule is dumb. Suspend players after the match if the foul is egregious. Our player was clearly going for the ball.
Jwhite777
Thierry Henry and Zlatan Ibrahimovic as the commentators at half time and post game, both said the red card wasn't warranted. Zlatan actually said, "If the right call had been made on the field, this wouldn't have happened"
crateo
All red cards warrant a one match suspension. This is a standard procedure in all leagues and football competition.
If he wasn't going for the ball it would have been 2 to 4 matches.
shamwedding
Same. I hate that Trump stuck his nose in this one and basically got the rules bent to his whim, but for once in his entire presidency it was the right call. The fould was clearly unintentional and that ref had already been investigated for partiality.
pixelsnader
After the match? No. Red means get off the field. Has been like that for a long time. You should not keep egregious offenders in the game. Hint hint.
Jwhite777
That's what happened.
deathblade369
Maybe you misunderstood me - I have no problem with the player being ejected for the current game. That seems fair. My point is after the current game is when they should determine whether further suspension is warranted. Not automatic. But I guess it doesn't really matter now. We got smoked, and watching the game, it didn't even seem close. Belgium clearly was the better team last night.
pixelsnader
Nah. If two yellows in 2 (interspersed) matches means skipping a game, then an instant-red should definitely mean skipping a game. Otherwise you'd see a lot more "plausible deniability red" at the end of a match because there's no real cost involves for the offenders. You can argue 2 x yellow means discussing. You can argue that a specific red shoukd have been a yellow. But an instant red should be an instant ban.
deathblade369
I was fine with our player being out of the Bosnia game cause of the red. I just think that instead of the next game suspension being automatic, it should be reviewed. And then increased or eliminated based upon circumstances. But it's all academic now, anyways.
pixelsnader
They do review it, and they can then increase the amount of match bans. They shouldn't eliminate consequences. That'd be like, oh I don't know, being convicted of 34 felonies, getting an unconditional discharge basically saying "time served in this round is enough punishment", and just keeping on truxking. You had strong opinions on the rule but now it's "all academic"? No it isn't; this impacts future matches - you're just using defeat as a copout for lacking an argument besides "our team".