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Edit: wow fp? I did nazi that coming
AnonOmis1000
Ok that is all horrible, but the problem with that stance is it has the potential to lead to silencing anyone you disagree with.
kkanne20
I get it, but everyone should have the right to say whatever they want. and you have the right to get angry and disagree with what they say
mycatsanarsehole
Denying someone a voice will only strengthen their resolve. You need to give them a voice and ignore it.
Onepocket1973
Where and how do you draw the line? Neo Nazis are garbage but I'm grateful to live in a country where unpopular opinions can be heard.
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
Grandjammer
Where can We find the original, non-meme version of this? This man ought to be framed.
whatwhonow
Yeah but I try to shoot a Nazi now it's suddenly "censorship" and "a slippery slope" or "first-degree murder"
LizardEnterprises
Looks like self defense to me...
valen00
I mean with a few extra steps sure but I'll allow it
newsguycraigevans
This is the pic you see if you look up "grizzled" in the dictionary.
heyarnold79
Username checks out
MarySkadi
Jesus christ, that man looks brutal as fuck.
IDidntThinkItWouldBeThisHard
Such a mean old man
HiddenSanity
He's what I imagine whenever I read some '90 year old man fights off 3 muggers' or somesuch.
boxesoftacos
I feel like he could break my neck just be looking at me
laNikiNt
I giggled at the tiny cup, though
MrSpookywasagoodboy2
And he's only 32
FrozenRhinoSperm
I shall name him twinkle toes
eagleandy93
he never said anything about jumping with a parachute
LynchMeDaddy
SAS, baby. Brutal as they come
IrishWhiskey
Shirt says Polish Special Forces
LynchMeDaddy
And the beret says SAS. Compromise at Polish SAS?
Kazeite
No, the beret says "Polish Special Forces" as well. That's what they wear.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Probably because he is...
rnantis
He probably was brutal as fuck, but only for nazis. So we can say he is nice and friendly man.
haybrodlyhey
But holy shit if your german.. Better sleep with one eye open
BunnyBooBear69
Gripping your pillow tight?
realscrumpysteve
No, this is EXACTLY why you want them talking. You do not want these people underground, you want them where you can see them.
crateguy
To not only assume that neo-Nazis could take over here, but that limiting the ability to speak freely is the remedy to tyranny. So stupid.
lochnessm0nster
I think you deserve to speak you just dont deserve to be heard.
NitherNor
The right to speak is also the right to hear others speak. Drowning someone out is the same as silencing all who wish to listen.
YourBackup
EXACTLY!
Kodaxmax
No free speech for the sake of free speech is redundant. Remember why you advocate for free speech.
RobotAccomplice
the problem is who decides who gets to speak and who doesn't.
Kodaxmax
ding ding ding we have a winner ladies and gentlemen!
MatrimBloodyCauthon
What about incitement? Some voices call to action and should be stomped out.
Gojoechris
As long as its clear. "He deserves to die" is a lot different than "Somebody should kill him"
kruug
Madonna said, "Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.”
kruug
Yet she was praised...
Gojoechris
"Thought about" vs "We should" I don't agree with her nut she isn't directly calling for action
Conser1
Maxine Waters then?
HoldMeCloserPhiTauDancer
^This. Unfortunately we need to allow the fringe, and evil voices to speak; that is the only way to know how many ppl believe or accept 1/3
Cyberpunked
On top of that it keeps them much more peaceful. So long as we have democracy and free speech we can tell violent revolutionaries
Cyberpunked
to fuck off & operate within democracy like everyone else. Nazis are themselves the best vaccine against their vile idiocy.
lightningboltkid1
I'm fine with racist or bigots being allowed to speak out. That way I know whose a racist or a bigot and be done with them.
HoldMeCloserPhiTauDancer
The ideas. By setting a precedent where some voices are silenced because of their beliefs, will do more harm in the long run. We need to 2/3
HoldMeCloserPhiTauDancer
Realize that the numbers on either extreme are neglible,& allowing these voices be heard by the masses allow them2be struck down by majority
Rexli78
That line of thinking is lovely. It’s wrong but very lovely. The main flaw with this thinking is it expects people to always be rational
Rexli78
Enough to spot an idea and that the idea itself will obviously be bad. It also underestimates the power of charisma to sway people into
DostoevskyDisciple
so kind of like herd immunity but with ideologies?
HoldMeCloserPhiTauDancer
Holy crap,that thought popped into my head half way through writing this.But it's essentially the whole concept of critical thinking &debate
RedRiotUnbreakable
Ah yes, all the "Nazis" running around these days... so many Nazis I can barely push past them all on my way to work, oh the humanity!
OneHundredPercentIce
Silencing your political enemies is the thin end of the totalitarian wedge. Don't become the monster you seek to destroy.
CoarseAndSalty
There's a difference between silencing your enemies and the enemies of mankind. This isn't a political struggle, it's an existential one.
DirectorBright
But who decides who is the enemy of mankind? The Nazi's think they're its savior.
CoarseAndSalty
Mankind does. They set aside their differences put an end to a way of life resolutely. They condemn the pursuit of it.
SolaceHaestas
That's the truth.
avianidiot
I like how the people who want to literally exterminate entire races, the disabled, and homosexuals are those people’s “political enemies”
Fahargo
Given the title of Nazi is applied to anyone remotely on the right, yes, their political enemies.
alymac
Evil doesn't always wear a skull and crossbones, sometimes they pretend they're on your side and doing good. Till they have enough power.
Fuckweasel
""Villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged." -- Captain Picard
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
The batender post?
DuncanDouNuts
Sometimes they're a simple farmer turned tavern owner, till they gain everyone's trust
vortexryder
Sometimes it's a hammer and sickle.
CycloneSP
"'For the greater good' is the phrase that always precedes the greatest evils"
AnAnarchoSyndicalistCommune
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mikeatike
What if someone was marching under the banner of a rats anus?
aPokal
The Ratman, so called Skaven, do not exist.
BorgClown
That’s why no one should be silenced, even if he’s hateful. That’s doing a bad thing even if the intention is good, that’s not the solution.
shadowrunner03
Gotcha, so Antifa in a nutshell then
theboringusername
It’s not even a facade as much as the fact that almost all of the time, they think they’re the good guys. Few people are inherently evil.
minipancho94
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
chilachinchila
Even the nazis thought they where fixing the world by getting rid of "dead weight".
SpanishBiscuit
As the saying goes: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
caiuscassius
Sometimes it's on a college campus, waving a flag with the hammer and sickle
FoodDumpster
So... the United States Government?
UrKungFuNoGood
careful with that edge son. it's sharp.
crateguy
You are insinuating that your fellow Americans are murderers in waiting because they disagree with you on politics. Know why that’s bad?
Dusknght
OMG this so much right here, thank you.
SignHerePlease
Sometimes they wear a silly red cap.
yourmamacantgetenough
or look like a grandma
MrHumberfloob
EmporioIvankov
Trump.
RydWolf
koops
flyingmonkeystick
Did you read the story about the bartender who killed everyone in attendance after a year?
SwagLordAujae
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HowIMetYourCera
xXOdessaXx
Second the request for source. Google came up empty
Its3amAndImFeelingSaucy
Yes! It was the post right before this one and i was about to comment that
ThatShiftyMonkey
Sauce it pls?
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lncorrectGrammerNazi
Wowyouknowwhatsomanyusernamesaretakenthesedays
I just read this and thought for a moment that I was on the same post And for some reason it was linked in the comments
giordanom
It was nice of the Nazis to wear an actual skull and crossbones though.
QuantumSp3ctral
*evil Morty theme song begins*
Fauxcused
And sometimes they vote for some orange a****** who promises to be mean to brown people
ThatShiftyMonkey
a****** = apricot? You can swear here, goddamn it. :-)~
Fauxcused
I didn't realize it did that I was on mobile and using speech to text
aazak
I know I'm gonna regret this but: Are you saying then that everyone who voted for Trump should be silenced? That they should have no voice?
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AurikNecal
Oh, who else supported gassing their political opponents?
DumpoldRant
Neo-Nazis may have voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters are neo-Nazis. Neo Nazis self-identify and march so it's not hard to see them.
DumpoldRant
The problem is that there are also a lot of Nazi sympathizers on the alt-right, that proclaim calls to genocide must be protected speech.
AurikNecal
Then there's the ones on the left who actually try to suppress political opponents with screaming and violence. And push people right.
Fauxcused
Oh that should have a voice but they should also have consequences for using that voice when they say ugly things.
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
Here in the UK the BNP (British National Party) started to rise and gain power in European and local elections. Nick Griffin was the...
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
Acceptable face of the party and was invited on various political talk shows (question time on the BBC) and was shown to be a cretin.
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
When put alongside people who could engage properly and ensure he as shown up. The BNP has pretty much disappeared from the political...
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
Landscape. The EDL (English Defense League) are of a similar I'll but not an official political party. Their leader is Thomas Lennon-Yaxley
HereDueToYourOnePeskyDownVote
Aka Tommy Robinson. His agenda is an anti Islam/Muslim one. He is a bit better at public speaking but appears to be nothing more than a...
fatalitywolf
tommy was the leader of the EDL it is now a man named Tim Ablitt
PossibleSarcasm
Trump!!!!! Is eVIL!!!!1
gcfo
I hope the downvotes read your name
Fishngrits
Thanks for the heads up.
DirectorBright
Honestly if you can't tell from the way he wrote the comment, you need to take a breather. (Not talking about you)
AlxEverett
Well his own wife reported that he keeps hitler’s speeches in his bedside table, for some late night inspiration.
PossibleSarcasm
My psychic told me that Trump is literally the reincarnation of Hitler and what you've just told me has confirmed it for me. Thank you fiend
AlxEverett
Hitler died 1945, drumpf born 1945
PossibleSarcasm
He's the 45th president too
SignHerePlease
He certainly steals a lot of the rhetoric, so this is one of those Trump-things that hardly seem far fetched at all.
DiarmuidRyan
The only good nazi is dead nazi
Sith4Sale
Orionsdick
Sooooooound good?
BengalCat
yourmamacantgetenough
YOURE GODDAMN RIGHT!
Highlander17
That’s ironic because you sound like a nazi saying stupid things like that
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TheLazyLibrarian
Do tell, what difference is there between a person "believing" an idea and person "practicing" the very idea? Bc as a psychology major, 1/2
TheLazyLibrarian
I can certainly tell you "believing" an idea is enough for it to manifest in your actions, whether consciously or subconsciously. 2/2
ArtanizReturns
Ya let’s just wait until the hateful nazis start basing people again before we can be outraged . But let’s keep ripping vegans and SJWs
TrashAtItsFinest
As a long time player of CoD Zombies, I also agree.
DarthPickles
10 years and counting. I can’t imagine myself ever not falling back to old faithful.
TrashAtItsFinest
Mm. I sort of fell off it with BO2 and 3 (except for Chronicles), but the BO4’s maps are looking really good. Seen them yet?
Enterpasswordhere
A dead Nazi is worthless. You make a martyr of him. Keep him alive for punishment and as an example to others who wish to follow.
Highlander17
Are you quoting Hitler talking about Jews? Because you sound as evil with that kind of intent
Enterpasswordhere
You're a special kind of stupid aren't you? My intent was to not give neo-nazis a reference point to try to foment further hatred.
Highlander17
By continuing their kind of hatred? Great plan... my 4 year knows better than that
whatwhonow
I'm happy to make them into martyrs. It emboldens others to identify themselves, which makes it easier to shoot them. It's win win!
SerenePrincess013
I'm down. Don't own any guns, but give me a few months of practice to get back into shape with my bow, and I'll go a-huntin' with you.
ishkaga
If one Nazi dies he's a martyr. That's why you don't stop at one.
Itsalrighttobeconservative
Closest thing we have to Nazis now is Antifa. They want to decide who can own what and who can do and say what. Sounds fascist to me.
Vostronicle
Exactly. Only one group telling everyone else what they can and can't say, based on their group's place on the oppression totem pole. Idiots
Itsalrighttobeconservative
Not really sure why they haven’t been classified as a domestic terrorist organization yet.
erischilde
Anti captilasim is not Nazism you fucking twat. You racist fucking apologist shit stain. You aren't worth "debate".
Itsalrighttobeconservative
You don’t seem unhinged at all.
tennvolsman
Why this has downvotes I will never understand.
OneOneNiner
They're Nazi downvotes
HoldMeCloserPhiTauDancer
Free society, there will always be someone who disagrees. Or it could be ppl who are downvoting because it has so many upvotes
SirZac26
I gotta say I did nazi that coming
SupMelloMike
The same goes with communists. Soviets were allies with nazis long before WWII and 2 years into WWII. They occupied Poland together.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
“Friends with nazis before World War II”... yea, and then what happened?
SupMelloMike
For 2 years in WWII they cooperated ever way possible ie Soviet officers got medals for sending back Jews who tried to flee to Russia.
SupMelloMike
Nazis attacked the Soviets first, however, they were so successful in the beginning because Soviets had an offensive, not a defensive line.
SupMelloMike
They were ready to attack. They were not prepared to defend instead.
SupMelloMike
There are so many people on this post who cherry-pick history.
whatwhonow
Communists killed more Nazis than anyone else.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
I love you +1
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
hoboface
Sigh. Communists have also killed a lot more people in general than nazis. Don't forget that.
whatwhonow
Hey, pobody's nerfect!
DadBodThor
And communists also killed more innocents than the nazis. What's your point, they're both evil..
SupMelloMike
They also killed more civilians than anyone else.
DirectorBright
That does not make them the good guys anymore than rat poison is medicine because it kills a tapeworm.
whatwhonow
Ah yes, tapeworms, the thing RAT poison is most famous for killing.
SupMelloMike
Held a parade together after that as well. Soviets continued with genocides long after the war had ended. Both were cancers on Earth.
TheS4ndm4n
Lenin and Stalin killed more people than Hitler ever did. A lot more.
ImgursLibertarian
Haaaave you heard of Mao?
TheS4ndm4n
Didnt know he killed so many. But that only became public in 2006. Was already finished with high school then.
InfernalizedToaster
What about Trotskyists and maoists? Or the Leninists?
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Communists or soviets? You seem to have gotten your signals crossed. Jk I know you don’t care.
SupMelloMike
Communists=soviets at that time. I don't think people cared what the mass-murderers called themselves at that time, same people and regime.
HalfOpenSkies
Every communist nation relied on force to operate.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
You mean like when the police remove a homeless person from private property? Not saying they shouldn’t but most nations rely on force to
whatwhonow
So has every capitalist nation.
benthused
Maybe we should be more judicious about throwing around the term “Nazi”
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seanseanrayray
What are you some kind of well adjusted, rational person? What is wrong with you? I bet your parents loved you weirdo
MissGrangerIfYoureNasty
We should, and at the same time we shouldn't avoid using it in favor of euphamism where it actually applies.
SignHerePlease
Let's focua on the ones that label themselves Nazis
RufusTheAardvark
Calm down there, Hitler.
Conser1
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3n640w_azk
Yolocycle
It is also why calling people Nazis that aren’t Nazis is a bad fucking idea.
Misslnformation
But callining out Nazis who are Nazis is a great idea
Yolocycle
Sure
Misslnformation
Misslnformation
Nazi sympathizers are just as guilty
Misslnformation
CoffeeRocks
All that is needed for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing.
DirectorBright
Two problems. One, no, it's required for the evil men to do something while the good men do nothing. Two, everyone thinks they're good men.
DirectorBright
In my opinion, cutting out a man's tongue because you fear what he says is not good.
hardytardigrade
And also some evil. And probably guns or something. And money too I guess, since evil will need motivation. And also that women do nothing.
TheOfflineEnigma
ebin quote bruh xDDDd
Fahargo
All that is needed for evil to succeed is for men ,who think they are good, to tear down the freedoms of their society to feel safe.
CoffeeRocks
guactopus
The nazis didn't allow those they disagreed with to speak and thus we must not let those who we disagree with to speak. Sound logic.
Fedotia
It's not "who we disagree". Hate speech isnt free speech.
Misslnformation
Lotta fucking nazis and nazi sympathizers in this thread
illegalacorn
It is, actually. If the nazis have a free voice they will use that voice to take rights away from others.
Frigididator
So you have to take rights away first? Can't take something that is already revoked. May your iron heel rest lightly upon our necks.
Shittyperson
Are you saying that nazi speech is so convincing that a significant enough amount of people earing it will agree and take action?
DumpoldRant
Apparently it is, or there would be none of them after WW2.
Shittyperson
You missed the "significant amount" part.
justvenomcake
The problem is that the term NAZI has been gratuitously broadened.
Doumdidoum
No. The problem is that nowadays Nazis just have to deny to be Nazis to be tolerated.
justvenomcake
I usually look into the groups labeled "NAZIS" and they usually 99% of the time they really aren't. In fact i think they're only labeled...
justvenomcake
... as such, because they don't conform to far left leaning ideals. Like the recent patriot prayer/proudboy event in Portland. Where the...2
justvenomcake
... the event attendees were multi-racial, and peacefull. Where as the counter protesters were clad in black, primarily white, and...3
justvenomcake
...violent. Especially to the police to which they threw rocks and bottles at. 4
imgurdemocratcirclejerk
There are a small number of self proclaimed nazis. Every group the left disagrees with is being given the title though now.
kr662
Nobody gave the Nazis a voice they forcibly silenced everyone around them until they were only voice.
TheOfflineEnigma
tell me what else you learned from movies
ZimGenzko
They rose from the ashes of a burned down country fuelled by desperate people. The people gave them their power and that’s exactly >
ZimGenzko
What everybody should be aware of. They didn’t just appear out of nowhere they came from within.
StitchardRamireztheKnitStalker
The Nazis in the US are to Hitler's Nazis as yoga instructors in the US are to those in india
Doumdidoum
Germans used to find the SA a laughingstock compared to the freikorps.
PossibleSarcasm
Yoga pants are great
nolittleplans
And once upon a time their was a failed art school student writing a book in a jail cell......
TheOfflineEnigma
I bet you thought that was really clever.
newsguycraigevans
And yet they seek the same thing.
whoisyourdaddy
They should have a voice. And we should have brains enough to listen, then tell them they are morons. We should all be ashamed (1/)
Fedotia
Nope, because morons will listen the calls for violence and become violent. See Charlotteville.
whoisyourdaddy
at the state of our educational system, that young people are stupid enough to think that nazi is the way to go. Why the fuck does (2/?)
whoisyourdaddy
my spell check want me to capitalize the word nazi? Fuck nazis. Never forget their ideology. Never forget their goal. Never forget (3/?)
whoisyourdaddy
what they did trying to achieve that goal. How many good people died. Fuck nazis. /end
crateguy
The holocaust and Nazis weren’t caused by free speech, why are people this dense?
crateguy
How little must you think of your fellow man to believe that the neo-Nazis could recruit enough of the US population to take it over?
NeutralPitStopCommenter
Found the Nazi sympathizer
crateguy
Did you? Was it the defense of freedom or the opposition to tyranny that gave it away?
crateguy
And to use the holocaust to attack the foundation of freedom in the United States, our only real protection from tyranny. Shameful behavior.
Glassesmanic
That's well put. Thanks.
Freecheeseballs
You're the people who voted in Donald Trump so it's not like I have a high opinion of you lot right now
crateguy
You no longer have the right to hold that opinion. You can’t be angry at Trump or his supporters. Still want to eliminate free speech?
Freecheeseballs
I'm responding specifically to your "how little do you think of your fellow man" comment
crateguy
Right. So you think that people who disagree with you are evil and that your average American would blindly follow Nazis, so no free speech.
bippityboppitybuttsex
The US gov't paid my grandfather good money to shoot Nazis... we should resume the practice.
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BengalCat
XxPUSSYSLAYER69NOSCOPERxX
wheres that from?
RufusTheAardvark
Better make sure they're really Nazis. Hate to see some self righteous idiot earn a bullet of his or her own.
zykelator
Should also extend that to antifa, getting rid of both retarded groups at the same time.
robboscouse10
If your grandfather's still up for it I'll donate to the Kickstarter.
bippityboppitybuttsex
He died in 1977...
kuba913
In Poland you will easily find people who will do it for free.
GoToTheZoo
I don’t think we want the government or any political body/personality defining a nazi though if you’re going to dehumanize them like that.
fsharp
The US govt paid my grandfather good money to shoot Commies.
Cheesecakecrush
So who do we shoot? People who claim they are nazis, or the people who are claimed to be nazis? Easy way to silence those you disagree with.
NomDeImguerre
Why would the government pay anyone to shoot them?
disinfectantrum
Well I'm pretty sure they're all probably dead by now, but sure. I'm always down for a little corpse desecration.
segriffka73
All we need is a time machine
Kodaxmax
i thought the us was all about free speech
PossibleSarcasm
Yeah! But there aren't many actual Nazis around, so who can we shoot instead?
PiggyWobbles
targets? We can all go larp with the patriot resistance fighter guys in the woods while we wait for nazis to march again
bippityboppitybuttsex
There are people who are displaying the swastika pretty proudly, we start with them
AustriaNotAustralia
The US gov paid your Grandfather to shoot Wehrmacht Soldiers. Only a few % of all soldiers were convinced Nazis. Everyone had to serve.
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
If a government is evil, and tells you to kill someone, and you disagree, but you kill them anyway, you still killed someone and deserve /
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
/2 the consequences that action requires. They served because they made a choice to follow the third reich rather than face the consequence/
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
/3 not serving would create. That was a choice, and one that they have to live with. I'm not saying they were all evil, but I do say they /
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
/4 they don't get a free pass simply because they weren't "true believers". The bullet of a skeptic still kills.
Radix865
Small group that leads, then the faithful ones, then the large group of sheep that only follow the obvious route and last you have rebels.
AustriaNotAustralia
yes, that´s true. I know what I´m talking about. My grandfather was a Wehrmacht Officer. But he was not a Nazi. He was a soldier 1/2
AustriaNotAustralia
who was tricked into believing that he had to defend his country after the Nazi Propaganda said we were under attack
JayB662
With the same guns you want banned?
roads88mph
If banning guns is off the table, I'd rather them be used shooting white nationalists than school children.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Wait, why would you assume I want to ban guns?
DeadlyFood
Maybe we should ban guns. Without a gun you wouldn't be able to shoot yourself in the foot by making an assumption with no backing.
bippityboppitybuttsex
I don't want any guns banned, I want more guns... my issue is storage, and ammo prices. Where are the real protests? The cost of 308.
BunnyBooBear69
Oh man, at least we can find .22 ammo now. That shit was the utterly ridiculous.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yeah, but 22 is boring... something about the kick of 308 it just makes me smile
bippityboppitybuttsex
I am a member of both JPFO and GOA, I do think the gun market is a little hot right now (the guns I want are priced out of all rationality).
whatwhonow
Right? I just want a reasonably priced mosin nagant!
bippityboppitybuttsex
I want a gas trap M1 Garand... why is something so simple, so hard to get?
mikeatike
It makes me want to wander if gun manufacturers are intentionally profiteering offer fear that "bamas gonna take yer guns" hysteria.
bippityboppitybuttsex
My primary reason for not being an NRA member; the NRA is a gun manuf. lobby, they don't give two fucks about gun owners.
cargo305
If you aren't a member, how do you know that for sure. You're just too snobby to join a club that would have you as a member.
bigmfmike
Scalp em too.
whyisitalwaystaken
Ok McCallister
bigmfmike
Like the home alone kid?
whyisitalwaystaken
Jaime Ian McCallister. I'm a nerd.. He is a graphic audio character.
bigmfmike
Ah, sorry. I was taking inspiration from Inglorious Basterds.
adamlstf9
And I want my scalps! Souuund good?
PiggyWobbles
Nazi aint got no humanity. Theyre the footsoldiers of a jew hatin' mass murderin' maniac and they need to be destroyed.
BeautifulSound
DEEstroyed.
IncompetentRobotElders
BONJOURNO
BahamutBBob
I don't disagree with this sentiment, but damn I didn't like that movie. Tarantino's style just doesn't sit well with me.
RootEnoch
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Well, goddamn
bigmfmike
gordolio
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
There's a reason M1 Garands are coming back in style
TheOfflineEnigma
It's certainly not starbucks sipping manbunned losers like you buying them.
bippityboppitybuttsex
They have never gone out of style. thecmp.org
grandfaloon
Yup, I have one. Always at the ready to defend freedom.
TheGiggityGuy
whatwhonow
Glorious rifle of the people made by honorable comrsdes Sergei Mosin and Léon Nagant has killed for more Nazis! *USSR theme intensifies*
RufusTheAardvark
The 1891 killed more Soviets than every Stuka that ever flew.
Djmeatslushy
Mosin nagant for when you want high quality stopping power on a cheap budget, plus 7.62x54R is like 200$ for 880 rounds
ThreeLineRifle
Careful as the Russians have something addictive in the cosmolene they used.
Djmeatslushy
The addiction for me is cleaning my damn rifle all the time lol, I use so much windex after range time lol
RufusTheAardvark
Mosin was a Tsarist General and the Nagant Brothers were Belgian industrialists.
whatwhonow
Blyat!
KaCarrotWarrior
While I'm not supporting the Neo-Nazis here, if people did start shooting anyone they considered to be Nazis, we'd have a different problem.
SerenePrincess013
No, we wouldn't. We'd have a bunch of dead Nazis, and I fail to see how that's a problem.
SamuthNBS
Because that's exactly the same methods used by the Nazis. Because people will lie and claim people they dislike are Nazis...
SamuthNBS
... because there are better ways.
whatwhonow
Agreed. We need to decide what to do with all the corpses first.
Eldibs
Fertilizer.
SerenePrincess013
Eh. Burn them. What's good for the Jew is good for the Nazi.
Eldibs
That's pretty wasteful though.
ThatTransformersDude
Couple of posts back there's a guy who needs fertilizer to restore the vegetation of his homeland. So win win
bippityboppitybuttsex
I am not talking about the people who disagree with you on the internet, I am talking about people who fly the NSDAP flag. aka Actual Nazis
Fahargo
So almost no one then?
NitherNor
How refreshing. So you're of the opinion Richard Spencer shouldn't have been punched then? He doesn't associate with that flag after all.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Heard the name, but no idea who he is... I assume by the reference that he is a nazi in everything but swastika...
NitherNor
White Identitarian/supremicist, desires an ethno-state, but not through violent means. Not really a Nazi, but on the same side of the fence.
captainawesome9000
It feels good to say stuff like that, but it doesn’t end with nazis. It starts with them. If you physically attack a group for their beliefs
Zyrixion
When their beliefs are literally the wholesale murder of innocent lives, I think we are pretty safe from the slippery slope.
Zyrixion
And frankly, you're falling into a common fallacy that people do about this, this isn't cheapening life, we kill people who would kill
captainawesome9000
it’s a lot easier for the next group to go under the gun, until anyone you disagree with is fair game.
Eldibs
Slippery slope fallacy. There's a lot of difference between "someone you disagree with" and "someone calling for the genocide of your race."
bippityboppitybuttsex
If their beliefs are my extermination, which they are, they are not protected by any rational human being.
captainawesome9000
Yeah, they are. Their actions are an entirely different story.
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
Slippery slope fallacy. we are not advocating violence against people who disagree with us, we are advocating for violence against NAZIS.
captainawesome9000
I’m not gonna repeat myself. Read my previous comment.
Fedotia
First they came for the nazis... and I said nothing because fuck them.
roads88mph
How about people who adhere to all the tenets of Nazi ideology, but don't realize it because they still think they're the good guys?
carlosgj
Those people are called Nazis. Do you think the SS ran around thinking they were the bad guys?
roads88mph
Right, that was my point.
carlosgj
Ah. Sorry, I misinterpreted that.
clucja1
If they believe that than they are too stupid to be in the gene pool
edestlin
I’ll assume you’re joking. But FYI - That’s eugenics, and the Nazis used the US eugenics laws as the basis for much of their atrocities.
Radix865
Aaaand now we're in eugenics.
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
Keep in mind the US gov't was also responsible for its own fair share of atrocities.
ArdentSlacker
You just... "But Both Sides"'d WW2. That's disgusting.
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
Huh?
ArdentSlacker
WW2, where the grandad shot nazis. Your response "US gov't also did atrocities". Therefore...
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
The sins of those from the past don't justify new sins now. Otherwise, there are plenty of groups in the US that would be justified in 1/
DukePhelan
Killing Nazis is not an atrocity however you do it. It is pest control! Set them on fire or skin them alive and who gives a good god damn?
sirefiresquire
that's how extremists get martyrs. tourture isn't justice and neither is murder over ideology. imprison them and let time forget them.
itispronouncedimgur
Your description of pest control is eerily similar to how Jews were described.
Radix865
I kinda hope you're being sarcastic but I'm not too sure...
DietCokeIsMyDrugOfChoice
While true and also important, we aren't talking about that right now. Stay on topic.
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
Very well. Every powerful country has terrible parts in its history. You can't use those actions to continue to justify violence forever. 1/
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
Any group that advocates a racist agenda is despicable, but that doesn't justify violence against them just for their ideas. 2/2
FatForYou
I understand that legally you're correct. It doesn't solve the problem though. Nazis should not exist.
ishkaga
These are not people who can be negotaited with, and who will gladly violate your civil rights given the chance.
equityforpunks
Like it or not, human rights belong to everybody, even nazis. If you take them away from nazis, you become a nazi. The solution is to 1/2
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hardytardigrade
Are you... absolutely sure?
Gover57
One could easily argue that nazi's aren't human.
hardytardigrade
Yes. One could argue that any group of humans isn't human. Nazis did that a lot, in fact.
Somanyquestions
all become nazis.
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hardytardigrade
Prisons shouldn't exist to remove rights on a moral basis. They should exist to improve society on a practical basis.
equityforpunks
2/2 ensure that as few people as possible find reason to be a nazi.
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
Such as not exposing them to NAZI propaganda? wait.
equityforpunks
I have seen nazi propaganda.. haven't felt any need to believe it bc 1) I have education, 2) I have work and do well, 3) I have met POC.
hardytardigrade
Absolutely. The most obvious way to address a problem is to fight it directly. The most effective way is to fix the root causes.
donttouchmeimacactus
Words to live by +1
Angusm3
instead of chanting "trump is hitler 2" there was open dialogue? that sounds impossible
storebrandproductmascot
As long as people different from them continue to exist, people will always find reasons to be Nazis. How do you change that?
equityforpunks
"So why don't we just criminalize drugs and that will remove drug problem" said some dumbass like you in 1960s..
storebrandproductmascot
Drugs have at least provided some value to society. Nazis haven't. They're worse than useless. They add nothing, and detract from everything
storebrandproductmascot
and the more time we spend bogged down fighting their bullshit for the 500th time, the less time and energy we have for moving forward.
hardytardigrade
Whether you can change it or not, you can affect it.
paulthebipolarbear
The issue is with how you define someone is a nazi and what are the actions you use against people.
PossibleSarcasm
Anyone to the right of me on the political spectrum is a Nazi
paulthebipolarbear
?
AustriaNotAustralia
young turks called germans Nazis after they criticised Özils pictures with Erdogan. Erdogan is a #1 facist tho. so who is right?
BecauseDogsDie
first mistake is going to the YT for any sort of information that is created for actual mouth breathers that hate Armenians t.socialist
Ugunti72
Anyone advocating fascism or genecide. The punishment: death.
paulthebipolarbear
Like antifia members who sao death to cops and the bourgeoisie
Corona688
If someone calls themselves a Nazi and espouses Nazi ideology and uses a Nazi salute and espouses Nazi ideals it's probably not a stretch.
Fahargo
So all a couple thousand of them right? This will never be used to label anyone like a conservative Jew and his supporters Nazis?
paulthebipolarbear
Well you consider ben shairo a nazi?
Corona688
Never heard of 'im.
paulthebipolarbear
Let me use a different question is there any public figure you can think of that a nazi?
Corona688
That guy who marched with a tiki torch under a nazi flag shouting 'blood and soil' perhaps. If you do that you fuckin' earned it.
SmolTenk
If only there was something like books or tapes recording their ideology...
paulthebipolarbear
My main concern is that people are quick to throw labels at people without much inquiry of what that person beliefs are.
SmolTenk
a child rapist/molestor at least once. But I am not using that to argue that child rapists shouldnt be punished.
paulthebipolarbear
Being a rapist is illegal cause a rapist rapes someone which out right physically harm. If you are called a rapist then treated as one will
paulthebipolarbear
That be a society ehere you want to live.
SmolTenk
Slurs are kinda part of political discourse. As left wing in germany an online discussion hasnt started until I have been called
CoBr2
If they're marching with Nazi insignia, or chanting "jews will not replace us", they're self-defining. I don't care about their beliefs.
AurikNecal
Your statement is shallow. The real threat of nazi's is not the surface ridiculousness. But the deeper evil of fascism.
AurikNecal
Who supports suppressing political opponents? Who says that violence against them is okay? Who wants to control people? This is the question
CoBr2
The surface ridiculousness is deliberately done to encourage normalization. So they can say "I'm a Nazi, but at least I'm not like that"
Fedotia
It's not "who we disagree". Hate speech isnt free speech.
Fahargo
It is. Supreme Court said it was.
Fedotia
Not in my country, but we dont have an extreme-right government.
Fahargo
lol
paulthebipolarbear
Specch is free speech in America. They been plenty of rallies help by out right skin heads and kkk groups that were protected by police of d
Fedotia
Such extreme-right rallies are forbidden because brown bystanders ended beaten to pulp or thrown in the river after idiots felt bolstered...
Fedotia
by violent and loud slogans. Now they are asked to stop the hate speech or no more rallies.
paulthebipolarbear
Different race and beliefs. In my country groups have the right to express their beliefs some are great and some are terrible
onespark
Silencing any opinion is not good, how would you change a mind with those beliefs because they weren’t allowed to voice them? It’s dialogue.
DumpoldRant
Then the burden of proof is on you that all of their minds can be changed by dialogue. Evidence seems to show the direct opposite.
SnugglesaurusRex
No one is being silenced. Media companies should not be forced to print ignorance hate and evil as if it's equal to fact and morality.
SmolTenk
Nazi Ideology centers around taking action. Talk is for the weak. By arguing you only proove your inferiority.
Zcarsnarl
You sound a lot like a fascist there bud. Might wanna evaluate that.
onespark
If you can’t change a mind with words, you definitely won’t with action
SmolTenk
Who says thats the goal? Between 1918 and 1922 alone Nazis killed over 350 political opponents. Murder and violence
onespark
Yea and the cartels have killed 130 politicians in Mexico this year, alone. Violence can not be the means to victory, it’s not sustainable.
CoBr2
I'd argue the Cartels objectives are being fulfilled. The leaders are getting rich aren't they? Depends on your objectives, won't work here
SmolTenk
The Cartels are not a political organization. And violence sustained e.g. the Roman empire for centuries.
SmolTenk
were used to keep opponents from campaigning or voting. In a democracy removing opposing votes is almost as effective as swaying them.
onespark
1. The USA is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. 2. Are you seriously advocating for violent impedance of people’s right to vote?
SmolTenk
1 Last I checked the U.S. government is still elected by the people, which makes the U.S.A a democracy. 2. No, I am describing how
SmolTenk
the Nazis rose to power. By systematically killing, terrorizing and imprisoning their opponents.
AllYourDownvotesAreBelongToUs
You sound like a Nazi...
SmolTenk
Elaborate.
PookyButt
Free speech applies to people you disagree with to. If the government gets to decide what is and isn't ok, how do you think the civil Rights
grumpy173
Since the government did nothing of the sort, why are you posting this fetid load of horsetrump?
Doumdidoum
Well, the Federal government FORCED the civil rights on the south because it decided that segregation was immoral.
PossibleSarcasm
Very true, but I don't think free speech should apply to right wingers tho
AurikNecal
Then you are literally a Fascist Nazi. That's the point of this entire thread. Fascists are bad.
AurikNecal
There's significant disagreement however as to who is Fascist. But one side has recently changed the definition of Fascist. Guess who? XD
AurikNecal
One side has a particularly aggressive group that uses violence to suppress the political actions of the other side. Which side are they?
ThaneofGlamis
Then it’s not free speech, is it?
PookyButt
Era would have looked?
CoBr2
You're not wrong, but we don't need to HELP them. Private companies shouldn't host them, people shouldn't be demonized for counter-protests
CoBr2
Fuckers blame Antifa for the violence, but you're not a member of the Proud Boys until you get into a fight at a rally.
Fahargo
People act like hating on Antifa is supporting fascists some how. It's ridiculous. All they are is a mob who's enemies include anyone 1/2
Fahargo
that disagrees with them. They're rotten to their core because they oppose a fundamental foundation of a free society.
PiggyWobbles
precisely how it did? Since the FBI and police spent its time infiltrating civil rights groups and murdering political dissidents....
PookyButt
And you want to give them another legal option to suppress people they don't agree with?
PiggyWobbles
Additional legal options? No. I just wish theyd treat neo nazis with the same disdain they have for black people fighting for civil rights
PookyButt
Here I just wish the government didn't abuse its power and it's citizens. But I guess that's where we disagree?
SmolTenk
Probably not much different... It not like they didnt try everything they could from slander to murder...
Corona688
Free Speech means the government can't stop them. Doesn't mean I have to let them do so on my lawn.
Fahargo
I'm guessing you're a big fan of deplatforming yeah?
DirectorBright
Well the lawn is your private property, of course you don't. The street on the other hand? They can do it there if they want. But so can you
Banzaibill
It's a mechanism that allows our liberal society to function, not just a law or whatever.
Corona688
Nope. https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png
Banzaibill
also that was the most self important, ridiculous tripe I've read and was also offtopic. Good job.
DirectorBright
The problem comes when people interpret 'consequences' as 'violence' and physically assault people for it. You're free to protest them,
DirectorBright
but your right to freedom of speech does not extend to beating the shit out of people.
Banzaibill
that... that didn't even respond to my argument. Are you well?
Corona688
Your argument didn't look relevant. I see no social benefit to lending any of my support to that ideology, and arguable social duty not to.
AurikNecal
Do you know who else was against free speech? Nazi's
Banzaibill
also, here is a rebuttal to that terrible comic https://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/xkcd-freedom-3.png
Corona688
To rebut your rebuttal, it is terrible. You definine twitter and facebook as infrastructure, which despite their popularity they are not.
Corona688
It would do you very well to remember that and to not trust them, and not forget the truly free means of expression you retain.
Fedotia
Slandering, hate speech, or threats arent ok, no. Free speech isnt absolute.
Fahargo
Yes it is.
Edgarallenpoboywithfries
Only language that incites or promotes violence is not protected by it. Hate speech that doesn't directly call for violence is ... 1/2
CoarseAndSalty
Any speech that seeks to dehumanize people is promotion of violence. It is not capable of serving another purpose.
PookyButt
You're a piece of shit... That is dehumanizing, but it doesn't really inspire violence
Edgarallenpoboywithfries
... not a threat it is an opinion. Disagreeing with someone isn't just cause for silencing them. 2/2
Fedotia
Again racism/antisemitism/negationism isnt an opinion. It's an offense punishable by law.
Edgarallenpoboywithfries
How can you equate racism/antisemitism with negationism? Racial/Semitic charged speech is not punishable by law without directly inciting1/2
Edgarallenpoboywithfries
2/2 violence against an individual or group.
Fedotia
Hate slogans lead to violence, wether they are racist rallies or anti-abortion mobs around a doctor's home.
cvilletrack
What about anti-facists, anti-police and anarchists?
Fedotia
They are still arrested when they riot. Why the downvote?
Edgarallenpoboywithfries
Peaceful protest is also protected. If it becomes violent or their chants incite violence, then they are breaking the law.
Fedotia
Posting the doctor's address alone is threatening him, that was enough for idiots turning murderer to "protect the babies"
Edgarallenpoboywithfries
If you think these people are bad when they are allowed to talk, just wait until you tell them they can't. Radicalization will be inevitable
DeadeicPrints
I'm gonna need to know how it changed their DNA. Because I'm very skeptical there.
swattyKnotts
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes
DYLANLEE79
Apparently environmental factors like stress change how DNA is expressed.
MrXoop
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/dutch-famine-affected-regulation-growth-genes
MrXoop
Not the holocaust but the Dutch famine, but the science is the same.
awesomecat42
It doesn't change the DNA itself, just how it's expressed, aka what parts are turned on or off. The point is the changes can be passed down.
PiggyWobbles
I too always thought that was BS but it turns out experience can alter the expression of genes passed down. Gotta dig up the study for u
PiggyWobbles
Cant find it :( But I did come across this https://gizmodo.com/can-trauma-experienced-by-your-great-great-grandparents-1797897567
coldwargofast
That’s because it’s never been proven by any credible researchers. It’s almost assuredly a crock of BS
swattyKnotts
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes
coldwargofast
A guardian article citing a non peer reviewed study done by a religious college. Complete load of bunk. Homeopathy level bunk
TurkeySlapa
Assassins Creed
IZ42
Epigenetics is an emerging field of study regarding how one's environment is capable of altering genetic expression
degenerator
But that's expression of the code, not the code itself?
hardytardigrade
Yes
IZ42
Might also be the genes themselves, but this based on entry level understanding of the field so I couldn't really say. Epigenetic traits are
hardytardigrade
Epigenetics is not genes themselves, by definition. Epigenetic traits can be heritable, but that's not changing the genes of an organism.
IZ42
heritable I believe, but I dunno how common that is or to what extent.
RexLion
It can be heritable but the genes themselves aren't changed, chemical modifiers are added that change levels of expression.
poisonwell
isn't this whole tale bunch of bullshit that's just there to spice up his/her opinion?
swattyKnotts
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes
hardytardigrade
It's not a bunch of bullshit, it's stuff that matters. But it's ultimately an emotional argument rather than a logical one.
poisonwell
I meant the story is unlikely true
hardytardigrade
I don't know why you would assume that. In any case, stories like it are almost certainly true.
poisonwell
well story told based on traumatized 4 year old after 60 years - I'm sure the details have varied. And usually people come up with stuff 1/2
punsforpoints
That's not how freedom of speech works though.
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
Given the past, I think it's how it should though.
DirectorBright
Given the past it absolutely shouldn't. It is in the nature of governments to consolidate their power.
Superchief86
They have the right to speak. But anyone who thinks they owe them a platform from which to speak is mistaken. They're owed nothing.
DirectorBright
A private platform can tell them to fuck off. But they're allowed to go and speak in the street. Until it becomes violent.
AustriaNotAustralia
have you americans followed how mostly muslim migrants called the majority of Germans Nazis/racist after Özil met Erdogan? I ask for reasons
KarmaRaven23
Why not? Let them talk in chat rooms filled with others that want to listen, but they don't get to parade that hate around my kids.
kkanne20
right....
Isometimesupvotereposts
Ppl who downvote you are retards. It pains me to type this but you cannot silence someone just because you disagree. That’s not how America
Isometimesupvotereposts
Works. Maybe in Russia or other places but not here.
ArdentSlacker
freedom of speech is: The right to freely criticize your government. It isn't the right to incite violence... which advocating genocide IS.
Conser1
So if a group of BLM protesters are marching down the street chanting to kill cops, are the police allowed to arrest them for incitement?
Misslnformation
Freedom of Soeech only protects you from the government. Private citixens can tell you to shut the fuck up all dayz
snarflex
I'd much prefer idiots be as loud as possible so we know what they're up to. The solution to bad speech is good speech.
Rexli78
Free speech is not absolute. Besides the Germans prohibit Nazis from spreading their speech and they don’t seem to have gone down this
Rexli78
Slippery slope of censoring all controversial and dissenting opinions.
TheOfflineEnigma
Allowing the jews to lie constantly with impunity under the guise of free speech was what ruined this country.
Doumdidoum
Freedom of speech was never meant to be unconditional. Those who believe otherwise are as dangerous as antivaxxers.
Itsalrighttobeconservative
Getting your feelings hurt by words is not the same as not stopping your child from getting preventable diseases.
Asteroidrules
Yes it literally is. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. US law specifically has "fighting words" doctrine which states ...
Asteroidrules
that speech intended to defame, lewd oro obscene language or incite violence, can and does justify physical violence as a response...
Asteroidrules
any and all speech in favor of nazi ideology is speech in favor of genocide, thus is speech inciting violence...
Conser1
And you were doing so good. Tell me, if a group of BLM protesters start chanting about killing cops, are the cops allowed to shoot them?
Asteroidrules
The only proper response to a Nazi is a .30-06 rifle round.
Vostronicle
I hate totalitarianism, but what you're saying Sounds similar to some Nazi rhetoric regarding the Jews... Simmer that shit down.
punsforpoints
Idk, maybe I'm just too much of an optimist to believe that there are other solutions besides more violence
Qualtagh
The law is not the right way to punish those who voice Nazi opinions. We have many other, more appropriate ways to punish racists.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Holy fuck agree. Like excommunicate them from all social stuff. Kill their ideas (with better ideas about equality), not the people.
RandomStranger55
Nazi ideas do not belong in the marketplace of ideas. Legitimizing them through treating them as worth discussing or debating is idiotic.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Driving them underground legitimizes their perceived oppression. Makes it real. Ridicule is our best weapon against them. Not censorship.
RandomStranger55
Yes, because nazis will not just attempt to make any stupid shit up to justify their actions. See: holocaust denial, anti-semetic lies, etc
Vostronicle
What is a Nazi idea? Limiting what people can say and think is dangerous territory, if it's not discussed/refuted it just goes underground.
RandomStranger55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Frigididator
Violence only makes them grow stronger. It grants them victimhood and martyrs to coalesce around.
DirectorBright
They are free to use their freedom of speech to express their repugnant beliefs. And we're free to use ours to refute them.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Vostronicle
I've seen people called Nazi for discussing journal articles which found IQ differences between ethnicities. Is that 'repugnant'? >
Vostronicle
Who determines what is 'hate speech'?
Fedotia
Freedom of speech isnt hate speech.
DirectorBright
It is. Never compromise on your rights, or you don't deserve to have them. And you will soon find yourself without them.
Fedotia
Yes, everyone knows all of Europe is a dictatorship with a despot calling the press "Enemy of the people" and cuddling dictators.
Vostronicle
Wtf Yeah a democratically elected despot, who has started no wars, enacted no hostile foreign policy. Best you got is he doesn't like media?
DirectorBright
And speaking of cuddling dictators, hey remember when (Not in europe) Trudeau had fond words for Castro while Trump called castro a monster?
Fedotia
I dont, but the last one who called Europe "enemy" was neither Castro or Trudeau.
DirectorBright
The United Kingdom called. They'd like a word with you once they're done sentencing people for posting rap lyrics and making jokes.
Fedotia
I dont know the context but if the lyrics are "one white=one bullet", then I'm fine with them getting a slap on the wrist.
myszfitz
Freedom of speech does not equal the right to hate speech, or freedom from retaliation (other than from the government).
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RandomStranger55
You *SHOULD* be afraid of people espousing genocide and ethnic cleansing, you moron.
insanumingenium
It 100% does equal a right to hate speech. By way of example, I think your insanity is hate speech, do I get to silence you?
Conser1
Hate speech is free speech. The only two kinds of speech not covered by 1st amendment are incitement and fighting words.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Hate speech is not a thing. It's what authoritarians call speech they don't like.
BecauseDogsDie
Saying someone is a lesser race and should be cleansed because of that.... isnt... hate speech... okay cool
DirectorBright
The problem is that hate speech is a legal concept. If the government is stepping in on any speech, you do not have free speech.
DirectorBright
The reason being who defines what is hate speech? The government. And history has shown governments ALWAYS consolidate power. Never, NEVER
NeutralPitStopCommenter
So inciting violence isn't hate speech? Or Telling a certain group of people to get out of their country? Found the sympathizer
Fahargo
Or the person who prefers the concept, not just the law, of free speech over using anti-hate speech as a political club to silence those 1/2
Fahargo
that disagree with you. The amount of support for limiting free speech is frightening on here.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Inciting violence is not hate speech no, that violates a law. They should absolutely be arrested for that. Lock em up forever. But I'm not a
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
"sympathizer". The whole "with me or against me" mentality kinda makes you like them though.
NeutralPitStopCommenter
Nazis and alt right don't deserve that privilege. Best they should get is a bullet between the eyws
Moreorless37
So you want a group of people you dont like killed? Do i have that right? They are assholes, but that mentality is the same as theirs
Moreorless37
And that is not a thing to be proud of. Let them rabble, nobody cares about them until the media blasts them. The only reason they have a
Moreorless37
Platform is because they are given it by the media. News shouldnt cover them until they do something actually illegal to show the assholenes
Itsalrighttobeconservative
Yeah that sounds pretty damn nazi like to me.
HiddenSanity
That's kinda the debate though, isn't it? deciding which is higher priority. Protecting your people or protecting speech?
DirectorBright
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Speech does not harm you.
HiddenSanity
A radicalized mass shooter does, though. And when the speech is "I think your niece is subhuman and should be killed."...
DirectorBright
Every group has mass shooters. Hell, some lady shot up youtube because she got demonetized. Words are not violence, but calls to action are.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
As fucked of a thing as that is to say, it's protected. When it gets to "I'll kill her," then we do something. Speech isn't action.
swattyKnotts
Speech is action, especially when one says "they should all be killed". Did Hitler kill Jews himself? Was he culpable?
BecauseDogsDie
Know why the UK didn't fall to fascism? Because they didn't give fascists platforms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street
HiddenSanity
Other than literally, mind. But again, that's the debate, as it is shown that such speech is used for recruitment/radicalization.
Jensaw101
If a society values freedom of speech, it must apply it equally to its least powerful and most hated members. Otherwise, it is not a (1/4)
imooforyou
What is the government going after? In what are you referring to? Because if this is over Alex Jones, you have got to be fucking kidding me.
Jensaw101
In this case I am responding to the twitter post above, and to the other arguments like it that have popped up on imgur recently.
ReaperCDN
Bullshit. You're free to own a car too, that doesn't mean you can drive it on the sidewalk or through houses. Regulations and /1
ReaperCDN
limitations do not make your speech any less free. You already know this. That's why it's not legal to scream bomb in an airport.
BinaryDomain
Bad argument, screaming bomb in an airport is a threat, not an opinion.
swattyKnotts
If my opinion is "we should kill the filthy jews" that's a threat.
CometMemeBeast
That's what the NAZIS did they banned speech that was determined to be against the German people, their interest, the gov, or their leader.2
Jensaw101
freedom or a right. It's just the useless claim that you can speak if you're speech is trivial or supported by the strong and numerous (2/4)
Jensaw101
Evil ideas, like Nazism, should not be tolerated. But this should take the form of aggressive and energetic denunciation and rebuttal (3/4)
Jensaw101
not acts of physical violence and the suppression of speech. Because legitimizing political violence doesn't stop after easy targets (4/4).
TheOther815
Hitler himself said that the only way the Nazis could have been stopped was if they were violently dealt with at the beginning (1)
wutdahail
If anything, silencing them helps them recruit. They spin it to them not wanting them to spread the "truth" and that they need to hide it.
Z42Flamewave
CaptRackham
Thank you, I've needed these words for too long. Thank you
trollprozac
Funny how imgur works. I've said similar things and got downvoted. Oh well upvotes for you from me.
nobodyyy
Well put
TheOther815
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/adolf-hitler-smashing-the-nucleus/ (2)
Fedotia
We're talking of the most hateful, not the most hated. Freedom of speech isnt hate speech.
Jensaw101
Because even if what we hate today deserves to be hated, we set a standard that survives even when people begin to hate new things too (2/2)
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Hate speech doesn't exist. That's just what authoritarians call speech they don't like. I don't like it either, but unless it's calls to
Fedotia
Nope. Nazi rallies brandishing torches, firearms, and singing third reich songs to a synagogue are textbook calls for violence.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Violence, they have a right to speak. I may not like what they say, but I'll fight to the death for their right to say it.
SarcasticComment
Which is why we have many laws regarding threats of violence and disparaging individuals. I'm not giving up freedoms so you can have comfort
Fedotia
Not being beaten to pulp by an idiot bolstered by hate slogans is a right. Keep your hate for yourself.
SarcasticComment
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
SarcasticComment
Assault is a crime. Ensighting violence is a crime. Explain to me where extra laws are needed since both are already illegal.
Jensaw101
You stand against hate speech, admirably, because you hate it. But freedom of speech must include what we hate, or it is meaningless. (1/2)
Fedotia
My hate? Nope, I'm not the most affected, I just really dislike seeing brown people beaten to pulp by idiots bolstered by hate slogans.
Jensaw101
Those committing assault should be arrested and charged. Any bolstering atmosphere should be challenged and removed or muddied by opposition
Fahargo
It's a good thing that isn't happening in any significant way.
CometMemeBeast
Cause when you start saying certain speech is outlawed you go down a slippery slope. Who decides? And who decides who decides? (1/2)
CometMemeBeast
So let's see governments that have abused speech laws, China, Russia, Venezuela, UK, Cuba, Canada, Germany, Italy, (1/2)
CometMemeBeast
Middle eastern countries in general, and many more so no it's not possible because governments become corrupt and then there is tyranny.
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
> not realising slippery slope arguments are a fallacy.
RedDwarfIV
Only a fallacy if there is no provable link or historical examples.
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
No, because in all historical examples, there was further debate after banning nazis before banning the next thing. you are still arguing
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
against a position by arguing against an extrapolation of it.
ReaperCDN
This is such a stupid argument. That's like saying, "Laws that prevent murder lead to slippery slopes because who decides what's legal /1
ReaperCDN
and what's not legal?" Just because somebody used regulations to oppress people in the past doesn't mean you can't learn from it /2
ReaperCDN
and enact regulations that put reasonable limits on speech to prevent things like Nazi's from ever happening again. Canada for example /3
snarflex
Murder is in itself an evil though. Free speech most certainly is not. That's where that argument falls apart.
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
Yes but nazi ideology is an evil in it's self. Just as banning all uses of a knife is stupid but banning stabbing is not, banning all free
ReaperCDN
That's a false comparison. An accurate one would be saying, "But killing somebody is evil," however you would be wrong. Murder is /1
lifeisahobby
Using empathy in your argument to push an agenda to ban an opinion and or justify violence toward a group of individuals is fucked up.
monalistic
Amen
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
So you don't like opinions against freedom of speech. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
lifeisahobby
More like I don’t like week arguments to push an agenda. Never said anything about disliking free speech
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
I never said you don't like free speech. I said you don't like arguments against it.
lifeisahobby
Sorry, misunderstood you. Yes, I dislike people pushing an agenda to ban another groups voice regardless of the topic at hand.
lifeisahobby
Everyone should have a voice, it’s the diversity of opinions that further humankind.
Fahargo
He doesn't like arguments against a fundamental aspect of free society. What a dunce right?
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
True it's fundamental, but I don't feel it should be held above all other values, and my right to express that should be protected by free
Fahargo
It's truely disturbing how many people are starting to support limiting the speech of others over claims of hate speech.
Punderstandable
It's insane. This is literally pushing to eliminate freedom of speech. Which is literally WHAT FASCIST STATES START WITH.
lifeisahobby
It is, and more so that people are jumping on the bandwagon thinking it’s “the right thing to do”.
DirectorBright
People have forgotten that you should never give the government a weapon that could be turned against you too.
GodEmperor0fMankind
Look, fuck Nazis, but taking away freedom of speech is a slippery slope.
EmanNiemThcin
https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialistpoetry/comments/48gxa2/embrace_the_fascists_rosen_auf_den_weg_gestreut/
EmanNiemThcin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuOQasXpdcs
Superchief86
It's not about taking away their right to speak. It's about denying them a platform from which to broadcast their speech.
mystik42
We've already recognized that inciting violence is a reasonable restriction on freedom of speech
snarflex
I'd much prefer idiots be as loud as possible so we know what they're up to. The solution to bad speech is good speech.
Fedotia
Hate speech isnt freedom of speech.
GodEmperor0fMankind
Who decides what hate speech is?
Fedotia
Elected lawmakers, not bi-queer SJWs as Imgurians try to believe. Why the downvote?
AmberDunkelyheit
No it isnt? Its only a slippery slope if you arent educated enough or havent put in the time andeffort to check who youre denying a platform
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
And the slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy.
grumpy173
Since nobody is taking away their freedom of speech, why are you posted this fetid load of horsetrump?
SpencerOs
Yes, legally, they should not be thrown in prison by the government for saying such things. But should they be given op-eds or platforms?
Starrkprimera
This
LizardEnterprises
The right to free speech does not include the right to a platform. It does not include the right to be heard, or to not be shouted over.
LizardEnterprises
I begrudgingly concede to Nazis their legal right to speak - only because I cannot figure out a foolproof way to revoke it.
LizardEnterprises
But that does not mean I won't do everything in my power to sabotage the delivery of that speech. That is not taking away their rights.
LizardEnterprises
It is an act of self-defense, both for myself and the billions of others they can and will kill if left unchecked.
amglasgow
Giving the fucking Nazis freedom of speech is also a slippery slope.
Fahargo
It really isn't. They're a minuscule % of our population.
MachineInterface
No country has 100% freedom of speech. Even the US have categories of speech that are explicitely not protected. Censorship is a tool, not >
MachineInterface
a irredeemable sin.
lurkingnooby
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Fedotia
Hate speech isnt free speech. Next.
khora
Do yourself a service and never use slippery slope as an argument again. Every law is a slippery slope.
TheOneRebanned
It’s one of the first things the Nazi’s did when they got into power...so taking it away is a very Nazi thing to do.
Doumdidoum
Most democracies have reasonable conditions on freedom of speech and they are not on the verge of collapse or anything.
GodEmperor0fMankind
It's the first thing any dictator does. The population can't speak out against you if you arrest/execute them for trying.
thesunshallengulfusall
Ya I think the idea is not helping them spread their message (via social media), for the gov to speak out against them, and enforce (1)
thesunshallengulfusall
Any relevant laws (punishing them if they interfere with anyone else's rights or threaten people) (2)
thesunshallengulfusall
And by "not helping them spread their message" I mean letting private buisnesses ban promoting that ideology if they choose
lunncal
The problem is that in the modern world, much of public speech in general is controlled by those private businesses. We ban government from-
lunncal
-controlling people's speech where possible, how is it any better for a handful of private corporations to do the same, now that they can?
SnugglesaurusRex
No one is doing that. Twitter, Facebook, magazines, news, are all private institutions that have the right to not support violence and hate.
Jensaw101
No one needs to provide a platform, no. But even in this comment section you can find Paradox of Tolerance arguments and calls for violence.
whatwhonow
Saying some people deserve tolerance does not mean everyone deserves it.
Jensaw101
Refusing to tolerate something means acting to change it, prevent it, or mitigate its effects. It can be done without violence or censorship
Banzaibill
not only that but they are basically all located in one place. Not only I presume they might have diff. view points than other murricans
erischilde
This. It's so simple and yet theres so many up voted "freedom of speech" farts. People forget so easily.
GoToTheZoo
Twitter and Facebook are public space now though and while Facebook defends whites still, Twitter is actively very anti white (aka racist)
Banzaibill
but they are completely alien to non americans
Banzaibill
I would say that these companies have a monopoly. Not only that but same hate is ok according to them and some is not.
m3htevas
That's a problem with individual platforms then, not the concept of denying fascists a platform.
Banzaibill
but they are linked issues. Would you throw out a man out of the town square for speaking his mind? (unless he calls for violence, libels)
m3htevas
Fascist ideology is inherently violent, so yes; if he was saying to round up all the brown people, I would quite gladly kick his ass.
daromander
Ok, they're a private company. They allow who they want cause it doesn't infringe on a protected class. Political affiliation isnt protected
Banzaibill
As I've said before, they basically have a monopoly nowadays. This is not about protected classes or pol. affiliation as much as it is 1/2
Banzaibill
about moving to a digital area where Facebook and Twitter are our new town squares. 2/2
daromander
Ok...first off since they compete with each other, they aren't monopolies. Second, that doesn't mean they have to allow everyone
TheThingsTheyCarried
Lots of people want "hate speech" to be illegal. I put it in quotes because the term is misused by plenty.
Qualtagh
Okay, and you can argue against them personally if they show up. No one here is making that suggestion, so it's just serving as a strawman.
TheThingsTheyCarried
"This is why Neo-Nazis don't deserve a voice." That's pretty clearly saying they shouldn't be allowed to speak.
Qualtagh
Yup. By private means. Like shouting them down, physically locking them out of private locations, and banning from all private platforms.
SnugglesaurusRex
Did Breitbart of Fox News tell you that? Calling all Mexicans rapists IS hate speech. Saying gays are destroying America is hate speech.
SnugglesaurusRex
No one beyond a few thousand college kids thinks it should be illegal though.
TheThingsTheyCarried
You are incorrect http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
Banzaibill
hate speech is a dumb concept and it should be rid of. It serves no one but those who crave power over others.
Banzaibill
Or maybe you could go on a 5 year old twitter "hate speech" rant and get a job as a NYT journo. Get off your high horse.
TheThingsTheyCarried
Actual research, bruh: https://www.cato.org/blog/82-say-its-hard-ban-hate-speech-because-people-cant-agree-what-speech-hateful
TheThingsTheyCarried
For instance, 25% believe wanting to deport illegal immigrants is a form of hate speech.
TheThingsTheyCarried
Cute. I provide a source and this fuckface suddenly goes silent on the topic and stops responding
TheThingsTheyCarried
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
TheThingsTheyCarried
28% of Americans want "statements that are offensive to minority groups" to be illegal.
DukePhelan
Yeah but when they start killing people can we maybe think about curtailing them? If that is okay with you?
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
they already are https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/15/charlottesville-man-accused-of-driving-into-crowd-faces-first-degree-charge
RandomStranger55
When they kill people, it's too late.
spookyactionatadistance
They can talk but nobody has togivetbem a voice. There's a difference.
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spookyactionatadistance
Defemation and libel in the US are rarely prosecuted criminally. But again people can say what they want. Jones himself has many times
spookyactionatadistance
2) called for the arrest of anyone who opposed Trump. Now some media are calling for his arrest. Well last I checked none of those media's
spookyactionatadistance
3) were NPR or PBS and are therefore entitled to their own opinions just like Jones was and is.
Fahargo
Which applies only to private organizations. When you try and take away their voice that is when you are in the wrong.
spookyactionatadistance
Were arguing semantics at this point. What I meant is that they can say what they want as long as no law is broken. The can build a
spookyactionatadistance
2) website and talk about their ideas. They can buy land and building a meeting place and talk about their ideas but no news outlets or
spookyactionatadistance
3) social media site have to give them as much visibility has others.
Banzaibill
what does that even mean?
Fahargo
Violently de-platforming speakers they don't like is okay because it's just not giving them a voice.
spookyactionatadistance
It just means that they are allowed to have their opinions. They are even allowed to share them via their own means as long as it doesn't
spookyactionatadistance
2) break any laws but nobody has to give them as much visibility as other groups.
ImGettingMines
Don’t put them on a podium with legitimate speakers and say “they also have a side”
Banzaibill
Unless they incite violence, libel etc, it should be free game. If you think they don't hsve a point, why not give them the opportunity 1/2
m3htevas
Fascist ideology is inherently violent, libelous, etc. If you are expressing fascist views, you are inciting violence, and lying in order to
Galdrack
^This. It's very simple, if your platform hosts Nazi's you are supporting them spreading their message.
Banzaibill
to embarass themselves? Also, who decides who is "legitimate" now? Public opinion? Please. 2/2
m3htevas
What does it say about you, when you don't trust an average member of your society to tell if you're a fascist or not?
TooOldToBeRealLife
No one is owed a platform.
Banzaibill
are you owed a public square?
DirectorBright
What he meant, I hope, is that private companies aren't obligated to give you a platform. In public places, your right is protected.
randomregularname
Nazi has become a term loosely used to define anyone supporting any nationalist rhetoric. Who gets to chose who's a nazi ?
TooOldToBeRealLife
We can start w the ones waving swastika flags?
Californiasnow
"Who gets to choose who's a Nazi" Funny how it always seems to be those who you don't agree with...and just like that you're a Nazi.
BecauseDogsDie
I think the marchers in the streets with swastika armbands blaming jews for everything may be Nazis, but who knows
Fahargo
Okay all a couple thousand of them need to be silenced then what?
BecauseDogsDie
We wait until more fascists speak up. I got time
LizardEnterprises
Oh fuck off mate. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, marches like a goose, and waves a swastika flag, its a Nazi.
LizardEnterprises
Same goes for politicians who dog-whistle nazi voters. If you need Nazis to get elected, you're a Nazi.
Fahargo
There's literally only a few thousand of those spread across the country. Almost every rally is just the same people traveling from 1/2
Fahargo
state to state to attend the rallys
LizardEnterprises
While there are definitely a few groupies, lets not pretend there aren't millions of slightly-more-casual Nazis who show up too...
VainyBangStick
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to spread hate. Freedom of speech means we can call out those who spout hate for what it is. Hate.
Banzaibill
it literally means that too. Diff. is calls to violence.
GodEmperor0fMankind
Who dictates what hate speech is though?
ICarpeYourDiems
Do you hate Nazis?
VainyBangStick
I do hate nazis and what they stand for such as the oppression of others for their race or religious beliefs, they’re sexual orientation1/2
titsnsplits
There are also a number of other belief systems that also stand for the oppression of others.
VainyBangStick
2/2 & I don’t encourage violent against others Theirs a difference between an individual hating a political position & spreading hate speech
VainyBangStick
*theres
VainyBangStick
If preached violence against others because I didn’t like their political views than I’d be no better. Hate speech is and should be illegal
lurkingnooby
No its not:
hardytardigrade
"Tolerance" needs to be defined and consistently applied in that argument before anyone can judge whether the argument makes sense.
TheThingsTheyCarried
"I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies..." 1/2
TheThingsTheyCarried
"..as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise."
TheThingsTheyCarried
- Karl Popper
TheThingsTheyCarried
Using Hopper's paradox to encourage censorship goes directly against what he himself has said.
OaksParcel
Who gets to decide what tolerance means?
MachineInterface
It's only even a paradox if you treat "tolerance" as an iron moral principle. If however, you treat it as a peace treaty, then you are >
MachineInterface
only compeled to respect the treaty as long as your enemies do the same.
TheThingsTheyCarried
Also, legal tolerance is not the same thing as social tolerance.
dave262
So for example someone in power could say the guy who made this cartoon is intolerant and suppress his cartooning
PubstarHero
Ah yes, that comic. They have to strawman so hard to set up the argument with the first pic its laughable. 1/2
PubstarHero
Straight up fuck Nazis, but I dont trust those in power with the rights to limit speech. 3/3
lurkingnooby
A Coin with two side. Its about finding the balance between. Unlimited freedom of speech is as dangerous as censured thoughts.
PubstarHero
Of course. We already have laws on the books that limit the amount of free speech you have (libel law, calling for violence, inciting a 1/2
PubstarHero
they'd understand their speech could be Un American and pose a threat to the US, and thus be silenced with the laws they want. 4/4
PubstarHero
the descent of revolutionaries in our country. Considering the concentration of far left people that are commies, you'd think that 3/4
PubstarHero
riot), but the issue comes down to where drawing the line should happen. The same laws keeping down hate speech could be use to quash 2/3?
PubstarHero
Note: Im a centrist. I was just saying that as the far left has a high number of communist people and call for the restriction of speech.
lurkingnooby
Agree. mind you there are enough leftwinger using hate speech to incite violence as well.
AllThingsInDueTime
Then you run into the problem that by not tolerating the intolerant, you are intolerant yourself, thus should not be tolerated.
lurkingnooby
Bravo, you just understood why its called tolerance paradox.
Fedotia
GilaMonsieur
This conflates legal tolerance with agreement. Neo nazis are something like 0.002% of the US population because no one agrees with them. (1)
GilaMonsieur
This profound disagreement demonstrates how the 'intolerant' have not been able to destroy the 'tolerant' like the comic presumes.
LizardEnterprises
Open Nazi's are like 0.002% of the population, but a fascist by any other name still gasses jews. And "alt-right" is just as good a name.
GilaMonsieur
How many people on the alt-right have gassed jews
LizardEnterprises
I dunno, how many people involved in the Final Solution. Just cause a Nazi takes a new name doesn't make him not a Nazi.
Jensaw101
Intolerance should not be tolerated. It should be confronted and argued with vigorously. But this does not require suppression or violence.
LizardEnterprises
Despite that, there's a very good argument for punching fascists. Fascist don't care about rational truths, they care about power.
LizardEnterprises
You cannot rationally argue a fascist out of fascism; you cannot logic someone out of a position they did not logic themselves into.
LizardEnterprises
You *can* demonstrate their impotence though, by punching them in the face and making them cry like a bitch.
RydWolf
The image is a shortened form. The full version mentions rational discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Jensaw101
If they bring out fists and pistols, they will need to be stopped (preferably with the minimum required force). However, until then, (1/2)
Jensaw101
we should argue. Even if they refuse to listen, their numbers will not easily grow if their ideas are not allowed to normalize (2/2)
RydWolf
An interesting term, 'normalize'. What do you think of, when you hear that word?
PubstarHero
The issue comes down to when there is a precident for government controlling speech, there is now a tool to abuse on the masses 2/3?
Fedotia
Banning hate speech has never been an authoritarian tool. Next.
TragicShenanigans
who gets to define hate in hate speech? The current administration? The next 3000? One word banned, leads to another till all anyone 1/2
TragicShenanigans
can do is take a bullet to the head in silence.
PubstarHero
Type something out explaining why**
PubstarHero
I would type something out, but that "Next." at the end screams that you're so full of yourself that anything I say wouldn't matter.
lurkingnooby
He is absolutely right though. For hate speech is the main control tool of any authoritarian goverment.
Shittyperson
Ban nazi speech because if people freely ear what they have to say they will aknowledge it as a good points and support it... Got it.
LizardEnterprises
The "Marketplace of Ideas" assumes that everyone is arguing in good faith. Nazis don't care about good faith; they don't care about truth.
LizardEnterprises
They will lie, cheat, and misrepresent to get power. They did it in the 1930s, and they're doing it again now. And people fall for it.
DumpoldRant
That is actually what happens though. How do you think people become Nazis? Same way anyone joins a cult, they need to hear the platform.
Shittyperson
Im OK with that. Freedom is more important than protecting stupid people from themselves.
lurkingnooby
I would agree if stupid people only harm themselves. But they dont. Thats why limitation on freedom is mainly to protect all the people.
lurkingnooby
People are stupid. Thats why you have neo nazi, flat earth believer, anti vaccine movement, climate change denial, faith healer...
Shittyperson
And we fight all of them with sound logic and proof instead of censorship.
lurkingnooby
Yeah and that worked really well on all those cases, didnt it? Read it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance