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Oct 11, 2019 2:23 AM
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demaragorn
Bit o' context: China represents 29% of AAPL's revenue. AAPL is USA‘s largest private employer & a (rare) staunch ally for user privacy.
demaragorn
If AAPL just abandoned China, there would be major repercussions for consumers in the United States. It's a sticky situation.
Justforlookingthrough
Apple: The company know for honest, fair practices.
nonCanadianGoose
Apple did concede to the FBI in a way. The biometrics they put in the new phones means they can be unlocked with a corpse. Additionally>
nonCanadianGoose
> your face & fingerprints are public domain, so they don’t need a warrant to use them. Probably why they skipped voice unlocking.
ilovedogknots
Anybody that had the app still has it and there’s a website
InvidiousSquid
Valtrith
Switch to Android and hack that shit!
bripi
Yep. That's called "rights" in America, and "profit" in China. CrApple is HUGE in China, this is a market they cannot afford to piss off.
SaltyInternetPirate
FBI didn't want that one phone cracked, they explicitly demanded a backdoor to ALL iphones.
RMaybeth
and i'm sure they already have it and this "DEMANDING" is just some sort of smoke screen or some division of theirs not being let in on it.
svoka
Sorry, I'm with Apple on this one. Apple has simple policy - government asks to ban, Apple bans.
againchina
Hold on, we are talking about an app that’s designed to avoid law enforcement - seems highly illegal to me
Solarstephy
Exactly!! That sort of app is always banned by Apple. The potential for criminal exploitation is too high. But imgur loves to Apple bash
RepresentingTheRepublicOfEzo
Just in case anyone actually believed they were standing on principle.
EirikurDC
100% money oriented.
gorgeousninja
No it’s about integrity the thing that those “don’t be evil” Google bullshitters never had
boingloings
If they stopped making it about money they'd be disOriented
blackrasputin
That’s fine if these companies didn’t try to insert themselves into everyday discourse as awesome companies who care about the world.
Cucumberclouds
it's a business. What else would it be? Any of their other behaviours suggest anything other that $?
EirikurDC
That’s what I was saying. I wasn’t being accusatory or judgmental.
Cucumberclouds
I agree with you completely. I'm sorry if my comment sounded snarky. Not meant that way.
sjs260563
so you guys are all going to throw your iphones away now right? Yeah thought so ;)
sweetnaivety
I dont have any iphones to throw away.
spookyS
Fuck apple! - Sent from iPhone
TheBuildist
It's not complicated. "Everyone" is afraid of China. They're brutal, and they don't fight fair. USA plays by rules. No reason to fear them
AngryGraphicDesigner
Well Apple didn't have to help with the iPhone. There's a very qualified Israel company that was able break into it.
skincancerisfun
damn crafty jews
AngryGraphicDesigner
It was shared recently that the NYPD has a device made by this or a similar group that can break into iPhones. They've had it for years.
thenewb
This is why i choose samsung. Yeah at least they wouldnt do the same. Right? Now im courious.
steerAwwPrincess
Why is anyone surprised that companies only care about money.?? It is the only reason they exist. Everything else is secondary.
skincancerisfun
Why do you think anyone is surprised? No ones talking about this because its some big secret. They're doing it to put the truth into words.
nsaspyingonuranus
$$$Apple$$$ = we love money more than honesty and more than freedom!
BrandizzleFoShizzle
Yet another reason to boycott Apple products. They only have power if we give them our money!
Sm9yCg
Hahahah a hahahhahaha hahahahah. Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.
kakivara
Adding some sort of encryption backdoor is a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle. The app can always be added again.
leodavinci1
Yes... because there is absolutely no difference between the U.S. and China.
onuuno42
Corporations will do anything for money..
mginster
How are Americans so baffled by a company doing something shady for profits?
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
We arent, some people pretend it's news.
bluerazzgummy
I think it’s because most Americans didn’t truly appreciate that they are no longer needed for profits. Chinese consumers are.
OrRo77
Average American intelligence and awareness has been slowly declining
feeltheice
Nobody is baffled. We understand companies need to make money. We also understand it’s our place to hold them accountable.
elganif
America was once the economic powerhouse of the world, but lost that to china years ago but kept the illusion so US citizens wouldnt notice
seededclouds
They are raised to believe that capitalism is the true force for good.
WrathOfBrink
Yeah, it's basically drilled into people's heads here that capitalism good, communism/socialism bad. Basically brainwashing tbh.
elganif
not basically, it IS textbook brainwashing. Every gov does it with their own agenda even Mine.
AikenDrumTheNonbornKing
I don't think this is stemming from surprise. I think this is shaming. And there is value in sharing soecific knowledge of misdeeds beyind j
AikenDrumTheNonbornKing
ust basic understanding that companies are often greedy and amoral.
Bonsaipanda
The entire concept of capitalism is based on this. > . <
RMaybeth
TBH most of us aren't, i think that maybe though some of us believe if illegality and bad shit in general is brought to light it might 2/
RMaybeth
help correct said bad-shit or perhaps deter others from doing it in future? TL,m DR a mania for "FAIRNESS"
Solkanarmy
well, have you seen their education system? bafflement is surprisingly common
HonestCommentFarmer
It's more like "How are Americans so baffled by Authoritarians dictating the rules of doing business in their country?"
Cthulhuchooseyou
Baffled by Americans bowing down to Authoritarianism, more like.
WhiteVanNoChildrenAllowed
I think that most people already know that most companies that were involved are scumbags but I think that people are just surprised as to
WhiteVanNoChildrenAllowed
How many there were & how far of an extent they are willing to kiss China's ass to keep their market control
Mooki
Americas motto: Do as I say, don't do as I do.
6Oh4
Samsung, Apple, Nike, literally everything you like has to bend because it's a business and China doesn't throw false threats like the US.
6Oh4
So people being mad at these companies are not getting how the world works. It's a shit situation all around. China is a shitty place.
skincancerisfun
Is this a 'don't hate the player, hate the game' type thing? Because let me tell you a secret: players make the game by playing it
6Oh4
It's a yes and no thing. People are gonna end up using nothing if they pick this battle. There's other ways is what I'm saying. 1/2
6Oh4
Focus the energy in that and help get traction. 2/2
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
Samsung is moving out of China atm, granted not because of human rights issue but they were fed up with the bully govt
6Oh4
They have their own issues but their parts are still manufactured in China. For the most part. As well as their devices being used there.
LoudBirb
Actually, I believe the bulk of Samsung's manufacturing is in SK. A lot of their component electronics come from China, though.
LoudBirb
But there's basically no way to avoid that. The bulk of component electronics manufacturing period is in China.
6Oh4
Yeah exactly.
nonCanadianGoose
do we honestly the US govt can’t hack an iPhone w/ all the NSAs been accused of? It’s advertising to every intel agency & criminal to use >
RMaybeth
I'd suspect that the real truth is, the comapnies probably work with the feds to "pre-crack" every phone that gets sold in the USA.
nonCanadianGoose
It’s what the FBI wanted & apple compromised. The new biometrics means the FBI doesn’t need a warrant to use your face or prints to unlock
StillNotYouTube
The FBI ended up paying a private company to do it. So I guess they can't, but it's not that big of a challenge.
nonCanadianGoose
> an iPhone to hide shit from The FBI. Removing apps & breaking security are 2 different things entirely.
skincancerisfun
It's not always about what you can do.. it's about how easy it is. Make something expensive enough, and people stop doing it. Economics baby
Leeloothedog
but did you enjoy the political theater when they pretended they couldnt? same reason in movies "cops have to tell you they are a cop"
Nukemouse
An expert taking hours to crack something is not the same as an untrained FBI agent using a backdoor to get in in seconds.
nonCanadianGoose
For the sake of security, even experts don’t have that access. With biometrics the FBI doesn’t need a warrant to use your face or prints
Nukemouse
Nobody actually uses biometrics though, they all use passwords and lockout after X fails PINs.
nonCanadianGoose
Ppl find it really strange the I still use a numerical unlock rather than face or print ID. More ppl use it than you think
Nukemouse
I wasn't accounting for people who only have a phone as a status symbol and dont understand how to use it.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
You'd be surprised how backwards gouvernments can be when it comes to technology.
RMaybeth
not the US government, and not with such juicy surveillance bonanzas as cell phones-I'd bet they can pin point your location and that of 2/
RMaybeth
the person your calling within a few seconds and record every word. No doubt about it.
kungfufil
2 different matters. They were right for the encryption, the key used for a 1st crack can't be undone and could be used to crack all iphones
DevilsArsehole
I thought an Israeli firm cracked it anyway.
Drewie64
I dont know about the Israeli part, but they did get in the phone
262144
On some phones you can hookup a computer (acting as a keyboard) and run a PIN guesser on it
DevilsArsehole
I think it was set to wipe itself after X many attempts. Turns out the was nothing useful on there anyway.
262144
If there's a timer you can set the brute force tool to slowly chec
262144
k... but yeah if it has a trip counter its fucked
GreyZuk
Um. Aren’t iPhone made in China soooooo
RMaybeth
It'd be quicker to list things that AREN'T made in China, after all. Everybody reading this has some product saying "CHINA" in reach, rt now
SaltyInternetPirate
But if they move production out of china, they might only make $344 per phone, instead of $354! (I made those numbers up, but point stands)
Sassmachine
Technically they're mostly assembled in China after the parts are manufactured by many different countries.
Sm9yCg
Mostly China. Some is made in the Republic of China, that stuff is hand crafted by child labour (which is illegal in mainland china)....
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
Take samsung, they didn't give a damn, pulled out of China moved to vietnam
RMaybeth
I would not have believed that Korean labor would price itself out of the market but there it is...
RandomLettersAssortment
They moved their production (and because tarrifs, not because some moral high ground). They still need to sell in China, that's 1b consumers
Sm9yCg
Hahahah a hahahhahaha hahahahah. Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
https://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-closes-its-final-chinese-smartphone-factory
tumppu
Oh that poor apple shill.
Sm9yCg
What now? you believe that? you are as gullible as an average trump voter.
slaitch
The FBI can threaten with legal action, and Apple can afford good lawyers. China can threaten with a ban on product sales to a market of 1b.
gilliamv
Implying: A. The people that could afford it would want it. And B. That they would "get high on their own supply".
Noughmad
There's a huge number of people who can't afford an iPhone but still buy one. Especially in India and China.
asmpsUnityDog
It's all about the money, will lose US customers if they cave to the fbi, but will lose whole china market if they dont acquiesce to xi-pooh
SirJimmethy
Also China can stop supplying the parts for iphones
bobbob1016
And probably production. This is good that Trump is messing with trade there imho. Samsung is moving their line to India or something. So...
Frenchbreadpizza
They'll still get parts from China.
bobbob1016
Sucks, but that can move at some point.
bobbob1016
...hopefully Apple follows suit.
lysani
Doubtful. Apple has always been about cheapest manufacturing cost with the highest possible sale cost. China gives them cheap labor.
MorrighanWolf
So seize their assets via the Marshalls
TheBurritoConfederacy
Also their entire supply chain is in China.
km9v
Them and so many other companies. Try to find something in your house not made in China.
benkey1
Over the past decade a ton of production has moved to other countries, usually able to secure a lower wage than china. Lots of textiles 1/?
benkey1
And other goods from South and Central America and India; also lots of companies have diversified supply chains. A lot of tools made 2/?
benkey1
Somewhere close by because they are kind of heavy. Some electronics mfg and a lot of the stuff that is easy to automate has been brought 3/?
Treblaine
And who put their entire supply chain in china? Who did that knowing what sort of government they had?
TheBurritoConfederacy
People chasing the almighty dollar.
ktheman
I thought at one point they moved some but not much production to India
Rediix
India is not looking to great either atm
TheBurritoConfederacy
They're expanding there in order to avoid India's import tariffs on foreign-made phones. It seems it's still managed by Foxconn, though.
slaitch
Apple has no counter for that.
RumpBuffalo
Yeah. It's tough when you don't have a spine.
Treblaine
They could stick to their principles and not be greedy...
eehj
The counter is all asians have Samsungs. At least in Aus anyway
CousinEddy
Steve jobs said that apple could make them here and still be profitable because theres that much markup
stonewalljackson27342
We lack the infrastructure
pixelsnader
Not necessarily. AMD moved its fabbing to Taiwan, which means there's an opening at GlobalFoundries. Or invest/collab with Intels' fabs.
stonewalljackson27342
I want you to look at the output of Foxconn and then at the output of GlobalFoundaries. And then look what who they are suing.
AdmiralButtStuff
No counter that would let them continue to sell phones to that 1 billion people. The correct counter was, "Tough titties, comrade."
OrangeFlavours
Losing the market is not a 'counter', it's just a loss.
SliderOfElay
Apple also builds almost everything they make in China. China knows all their shit. China could kill every way apple makes money
CloseupCaptionReaction
You'd think they'd have some concealed trap cards on the field. Maybe they're savin up for... oh no! It can't be!! >
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Istealfromthefrontpage
Oh shit exodia?!?!
trustystranger
Apple bout to flip mirror force or what do you mean with trap card ?
BarryTheCyborg
They would if Steve Jobs was around, but Tim Cook will never be able to fill his shoes.
Nukemouse
He could threaten to move production to India, but it would be a bluff, trying to actually do it would bankrupt them. He would bow to china.
IBrewLiquidGold
The have a billion in the bank. You sure moving production would bankrupt them?
DonnieDangles87
This is exactly why we need tariffs on China.
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Bubbells
Doubt most countries would agree to that
Bubbells
The letting it happen that is, too many political connections
SpruceCaboose
You understand that tariffs work by making it more expensive to import things?
Sm9yCg
You are an Idiot (just like the big fat joke) if you really believe that will help anyone but short traders...
CongratsYouAreHereNow
wut? that wouldn't do shit. what china is leveraging over apple is a market of over a billion consumers and apple's ability to sell
CongratsYouAreHereNow
products to that market. taxing chinese goods wouldn't do anything to take away that leverage. it's the same reason that blizzard, the nba
CongratsYouAreHereNow
and others are being massive pussies right now. the almighty dollar, or in this case, the yuan
docwilco
Plus they use China for a lot of production, no?
Bubbells
Dude we would need something much stronger than a tariff. Military wise no one can force them to do squat if they truly want to resist. 1/
Bubbells
Economically the world market relies on china. And politically their ties to other countries and leaders make it a murderous landmine.
MacDaddySmitt
You're being facetious?
aworkoffiction
Some folks still don’t know that tariff costs are paid by the buyer
EricReaume
the idea is that its supposed to raise the price high enough that "local" companies can be competitive. But yes prices rise.
aworkoffiction
No US companies make frame-less monitors and mini OLED screens. I'm in the arcade business and my prices are intolerable already.
superbest
Exactly! If it pushes past the buyers limit, the company will have to reconsider the product and where it is made
aworkoffiction
Years and years of buyers paying what they have to before industry catches on to supplement the market.